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crazy how luthen already knew they were gonna mess with him so he instantly started preparing when he was stopped

The part where Luthen used the countermeasures reminded me of that scene from Spaceballs where Lone Starr and Barf "jam the radar" on Dark Helmet's ship. Although the countermeasures probably didn't taste like raspberry 😂

Wasn't this a concept from Solo that was cut from the film? This communication ship should have been accompanied by a combat frigate specially since it was on a pirate heavy area. Edit: using an ID from Alderaan is brutal.

Also including more TIE Defenders to accompany those smaller, less resource intensive ships would have helped with Imperial power projection and rapid reaction. Yes, TIE Defenders were also expensive compared to regular TIEs but still less so than bringing a big battle wagon that is the ISD.

It's not even a bad looking ship. I like the kind of diamond configuration, and as a Star Trek fan having a giant dish in the front feels cozy.

I think it's a given that the empire went way overboard. If Palpatine knew about the Yuuzhan Von, he could have just manipulated the entire galaxy to create these mass weapons and they probably would have done a really good job fighting them with Thrawn. For cannon there wasn't really a point except scaring the empire's citizens who were being taken advantage of so they wouldn't fight back. But if the empire toned down their *massive* ships, it would have been way better

It's a cool cruiser at first glance it doesn't look like a patrol craft with all of its satellite panels. Can't wait to see more of it, the captain in Andor definitely wasn't as experienced seeing that he still let his boarding crew leave after Luthen became a threat.

Did anyone else catch the Cantwell in Solo? It was one of the ships on the recruitment screen where Han signed up to join the imperial navy.

"The more you tighten your grip, the more systems will slip through your fingers."

Andor is a great inspiration. Series really enjoying it the most from all the spin off's . Great video from you all . From your friends across the pond 🇬🇧

I love the arrestor cruiser, even if it hardly ever gets mentioned.

Dog fighting in Star Wars, is just the epiphany of a long tradition of fighting on horse drawn, or otherwise propelled carts, ben-hur style... that's why sometimes traditional axial spikes come to bare... also why young Skywalker compares dog fighting to pod racing, which sprouts from that same tradition, it's practicly the same.

I like to think that he went overboard, so that they would be more likely to try to track or follow him, rather than leave them to try to see what he was doing on the planet, which might get Saw into trouble. Then again, Saw had to receive those excessive wounds some how before Rogue One, which might also explain how he feels betrayed by EVERYONE.

On the shields being down thing, I don't actually know, but I suspect tractor beams need to not have shields between them and the target to work. The obvious objection to this is that obviously the ship it is grabbing may have shields, but I would guess that the tractor beam then grabs on to the shield itself, making it not a problem if it is on the target side. If my speculation is correct, then Luthen's countermeasures would be very hard to defend against specifically in a tractor beam using scenario. Maybe you could reactively turn on the forward shields very quickly, and live with whatever the interaction between the shield and the tractor beam is, since it is likely to at least be less bad than letting the countermeasures do their thing. Or maybe the tractor beam can briefly reverse direction in a pulse at a slightly wider angle aiming to push the particles out of it's firing cone, but you'd have to design that feature specifically with this kind of countermeasure in mind.

Thrawn could have saved the Empire if he was at Endor

This is probably my favorite ship in star wars now to be honest

Actually I think those lightsaber blades are to prevent any boarding shuttles from docking with him, and he just found a creative use for it

feels like the empire kind of did what a lot of armchair analysts would do which is prepare their doctrine and infrastructure for the last war instead of the one they have. focusing on warship v warship and planetary conquest instead of insurgents and small scale skirmishes. which considering the basing of starwars on the Vietnam war. feels quite fitting.

Tharwn's superpower was art appreciation.

I think some of it could be soft power over hard power... No one is afraid of a puny support ship... every one was of the ISD. So in turn you might get more better arms rebels faster as they would only need to beat tiny ships not big ones... But yes after the rebalion started winning the Empire should have switched from the soft power of look scary to hard power of be scary and counter the bg rebel ships with smaller ones they could easly spam while still have ISDs as massive middle figures to the alance that just get in the way of the alance's plans.

All I could think of this scene was Spaceballs. “Radar about to be JAMMED!”

12:12 One of the reasons why this worked is because the battle cruiser had to lower its shields to place the smaller vessel in tow. Nice surprise defensive weapon. He wouldn't be able to get away a 2nd time (once word got out about the tactic) .

The Arrestor cruiser is a local cop set up with a speed gun in the small country town The Interdictor is a highway speed trap looking to catch something more than average speeders.

I'm always enjoy seeing the other ships of the Imperial Navy. Interdictor and Arquetence Class are my favorites.

I wonder if there were any workers/slaves that intentionally sabotaged Imperial ships like Galen Erso or that one guy in Rebels (RIP). I could see an inspector/inspection team overlooking some of the sabotages because of their hatred of the Empire.

When you realize they probably stopped using the Cantwell Arrestor Cruiser because Luthen proved how easy it was to circumvent

Now imagine if Thrawn had just one of these Arrestor cruisers The battle of Atolon could've been a devastating blow for the Rebels

Tony is either a huge Star Wars nut or he's got people feeding him REALLY good information😂

Dude when Luthen kept saying “Plus Krygeer,” it cracked me up like why do you need to keep saying that it’s just going to piss off saw and possibly get you killed or sent to bor gulet

those side mounted lasers i think serve a different purpose. He was just showing off with that manouver... but picture flying close to a ship like an asserter and turning one of those beems on, dragging it down the length of the ship.

Something to consider on Luthin's ship, he's a spy, a spy master to be specific. Think of his ship as a kind of Star Wars version of the James Bond car.

The design is pretty cool.

This ship could have saved the Empire. But it didn't want to. This ship is a cat.

I like the ship sabers. Star Wars always has had ship's dog fighting in really close quarters. They're basically the scifi equivalent of spiked wheel hubs. It's also Star Wars. Meant to be entertaining, not practical.

Use the ISD when you fight a war, invasions snd defences. Use the arrestor for small insurgents and everything else.

I think that another ship that the Empire could have made more and better use of was the Acclamator class, for several reasons. 1.) The Acclamator, at least as it existed during the Clone Wars, only required a crew of 500, which is frankly insane for a non-droid ship of its tonnage class. This would allow for more ships to be made and crewed to full efficiency better across the galaxy and the massive crew increases (which were most likely just the Empire putting people there for pointless busywork to show the populace they gave a shit about offering them jobs) could be cut back and more evenly spread across more vessels to act as standby personnel to take over injured or deceased personnel in combat. 2.) The Acclamator had a class 0.6 hyperdrive, which is faster than pretty much any mass-produced ship used by known powers at the time. This would allow it to be used really effectively as a rapid-response and interception ship to catch rebels, pirates and unruly dissenting parties before they can do real damage or gather sufficient strength. You could also theoretically build docking ports at strategic locations across the hull to allow for smaller ships like Arquitens, Gozantis, Raiders and Lancers to attach themselves on in order to piggyback off of the Acclamator's superior hyperdrive speed, and deploy to do their thing when it enters the battle. 3.) The Acclamator, due to existing since the inception of the Clone Wars, would have relied entirely on Pre-Imperial logistics chains, meaning that you don't need to worry about the cost of setting up entire support infrastructure and research and development or testing costs that making new ship classes would. 4.) The Acclamator costs about (IIRC) only half as much as the Venator, which in of itself costs less than an ISD, which combined with the other factors listed above meant that you could crank out this simpler, reliable, (relatively) easy-to-maintain battle-tested ship in massive numbers and spread them all across the galaxy, being able to respond to local threats faster than any other vessels from out-of-system and having the armor and firepower to cleanly handle almost any threat the Empire could realistically expect to face. So you would have local system defense ships like the Cantwell, Gozantis and Arquitens and the like, and if reinforcements are required, you could have some Acclamators arrive in record time with a handful of smaller ships deploying off of their hull to help take control of the situation.

i feel like luthen could use those lightsaber things to run along the side of a star destroyer or something and do some serious damage. it would be more practical than trying to hit tie fighters with lol

I love how everytime the Empire tries to intercept some smaller vessels with their Star Destroyers, the smaller vessels just proceed to fly near the bridge and then flee

I really appreciate your deep analysis of all things Star Wars, i thought I knew Star Wars, but I always come away from your videos with some new insight. Thanks!

I really like the arrestor design, probably would have had the big dish be a cluster of smaller ones myself but this works for the kinetic bombardment scene.

Honestly I thought it was really cool that they brought that into canon and put it on the show shame Cantwell didn't live long enough to see it. I thought it was a nice touch.

That's a really interesting point and one I had mostly forgotten about.

Dunno if you've already done this but I'd be interested in your thoughts of the differences between Thrawn's strategy and development projects (ie the TIE Defender) and Tarkin's (Death Star) and how they may have affected the Empire's strategy as a whole?

Excellent vid, ty

cassian already mentioned how unusual the ship was the first time they went hyperspace in it. paraphrasing that the ship isn't powered by any normal means. the fact that cassian was given a very valuable khyber crystal was the second clue. the pay off was the two extra-large lightsabers that protruded on the side of the ship during this imperial chase scene.

I like the Cantwell. I think it looks cool and unique and I welcome seeing more variety

Really cool 😎 thanks !

Good take. For the vast majority of the Star Wars saga the rebellion was an insurgency, which requires much different tactics. Some of the parallels to our modern world are unsettling.

This would be more like the navy stopping some smugglers, state troopers would be like those x wings in mando pulling over the razorcrest

Great vid GenTech. I like the Victory class ISDs more than the Imperial class.

So great that we're finally seeing some imperial ships other than the ISD

I did wonder why they launched an imperial bomber.. now I know it was a bording craft ty allen

you are my favorite star wars youtuber

Wow so much information. 🤔👍🏻

The countermeasures are great and make wonderful sense to use a tractor beam’s own ability against it.

luthen utilizing sabot darts to destroy the tractor beam is awesome

Those things Luthen used to shred that beam reminded me of Mando's Whistling Birds.

Honestly all the empire REALLY needed to build in order to win was Ton Falk carriers and lancer frigates. Or even just a modification of the venator with heavier armor and shielding.

Those lazers are a Easter egg. Luthen's Sith!

Timothy Zahn also wrote an original sci-fi series called the Dragonback series. Love it.

I think this ship is mentioned in the tarkin novel, trying to catch Corvette.

To be honest functionality has alot of beauty behind it

Tony Gilroy seems to accurately reproduce the 70s Star Wars style in everything. The interfaces look like the Death Star plans in the movie. I'm so thankful for Rogue One and Andor, definitely the highlights of Disney Star Wars as well as Mando s1+2 following it.

3:07 What do you mean, it’s badass.

Personally, I would even say the ISD should be completely different. Get rid of the fighter wing (Including the large hangar), the pre-fabricated base, the stormtrooper legion, and the entire complement of army vehicles. Instead have the bridge be built where the hangar would be. Deep into the ship, like Battlestar Galactica CIC. Have two small hangars for VIP shuttles, supply shuttles, and boarding craft to be housed. You can also build enough space in these hangars for half a squadron of TIE-Defenders each. The rest of the ship would be focused on heavy turbolasers, ion cannons, and a good laser cannon array to destroy any fighter that gets near the vessel. Get rid of the current ISD bridge, that super tall structure in the back. Use the center-middle of the vessel to place the heaviest turbolasers so that you can have the biggest guns always aiming at enemies in front, and sides. For fighters, use some kind of TIE-Droid; take inspiration from the CIS and come up with a Vulture droid kind of fighter, something that can attach to the outside of the vessel. These would act as "wingmen" for the TIE-Defenders and can be controlled from the CIC or even a two-seater TIE-Defender. Basically a blend of Empire and First Order thinking. A much smaller ISD that resembles a Resurgent-Class, but with no large hangars and stormtrooper legion. You want a space battleship, so let it be a battleship. More specialize ships would be amazing for the Galactic Empire, not these jacks of all trades, masters of none. EDIT: Also, make the vessel not so logistics intensive and much easier to manufacture. Make like 2,000 of these. But at the moment you see a serious rebellion forming, you can start making these bad boys like bakery making bread.

Beating the rebellion with facts and logic

Serious Andor quotes taken out of context used like a meme is so funny

Gilroy is very familiar with how different governments run. The ISB meetings are very similar to the meetings in the BOURNE movies.

The counter measures were awesome, very much a case of "using the enemy's strength against them". The laser beams were, hmm... I think I'd have preferred them if they were just like fixed rapid firing blasters, unless there's some practical use for them.

That dual lightsaber for the ship was also a weapon power up for Guardian Legend

I like to think that the plans to reach power were made by Plagueis, and Palpatine was only following them until they reached it’s conclusion. That would close many holes…

Forgot about this channel until this popped up

Force fields in star wars rarely stopped objects. They were designed to protect against high energy weapons. Citation: Saul Gurerra/Droidika Clone Wars. Luthen in Andor and the imperials response to non energy weapons. No reactions with ships on close approaches in all Star Wars films (exception: the planetary force field in Rogue One and the Death Star shield in ROTJ). In short - only the largest (planet/moon sized) shields could defend against a ship, projectile or lightly rolled grenade.

I gotta say 30 men plus Kreyger sounds more frightening than Emma and her 2 moms

I was legit waiting for the end to have an end credit scene where we see the IBS suddenly under new leadership and that leader ends up being Thrawn... would have blown my mind. I'm still waiting for Benedict Cumberbatch to bring the character to life.

"Wow! That ship spin looks like a creative way to throw light saber culture into a space ship battle." (-James)

360 No Scope Bro!

I say that tge Cantwell needs one modification to make it real good. Additional of Gravwell Generators. So you can lock them then just real them in at you leasire

I would have designed fleets built around one or two ISD's and the rest Cantwells, arkington's and so on. The would be spread out in the sector in battle groups or squadrons and could regroup into the main fleet when necessary.

I remember reading something in the old Starwars rpg about the Star Destroyers in that the rebels considered them to be a bit of a white elephant...2354 known exploitable design flaws and counting.

Those lasers seem designed for another kind of attack alltogether

I don't know what you're smoking, the Cantor looks Dope

if one dish is a tractor beam what r the other two? more tractor beams or possibly comms?

Well when I saw the countermeasures I was wondering why it worked so well and why that kind of weapon is not more popular among all the ships, but then I realized that the Empire helped boost its strength - the tractor beam was at its maximum power so it only accelerated those shrapnels. Also why there is no reverse tractor beam (mixed with those shrapnels launcher) it would be so good AA weapon for Empire to deal with the rebels.

That thing's tractor beam is waaaay too exposed man. They should just streamline interdictor cruisers and use them. With the gravity well generator an enemy ship just couldn't escape at all.

Yeah, a core of imperial class or similar might have a use. But they are not a jack of all trades and cheaper vessels more suitable to patrol and fast response would be better. Long range fighters like a tie defender could be helpful too.

"Sgt Tactical Blueberry" just kills me.

Interesting!

I love your reviews and all your infinite Star Wars wisdom. For me, it's unparalleled, sir!! You are a fountain of SW knowledge - kinda like that fountain on planet Aleen (sp?) from Mercy Mission (only from better days when the planet likely had a different biosphere and water, perhaps, was in much more prominence across the planet's boundaries, thus water gushing from said fountain with regularity!) in the Clone Wars series in season four, episode five; it's the fountain on Aleen, I believe, the fountain that spat out R2D2 & C3P0 once R2D2 solved the riddle given out by the fairy Orphne (sp?)! Keep up the great work, sir! I love listening to you talk Star Wars!!!!

Those side lasers reminds me of Iron Man 2 when Tony destroys multiple drones with lasers on his wrists

Yes, I fully agree. Fleets of these should have been made, instead of the other. Maybe quite a heavy battle ready beast -but..!..if ..as you properly point out, put to use correctly, could have been a means to extend the life of the Empire..as long as the right people were in command ..even though most bad guys, aren't as technically..sensible as the very few like Thran..(thank heavens).

The James Bond equivalent of the Aston Martin.

My god someone who actually respects lore

I would have just spammed Cantweel and Arquitence cruisers in the hundreds of thousands and at the very most had 5K ISDs. And I would have kept far more Victory and venator class ships in service for longer. And the only way I would build any SSDs is if they had superlasers and I would probably only build one for myself and perhaps afew to protect HVTs(no more than 10). Basically I have the star destroyers I can occasionally send if I need the tarkin doctrine to be shown but I still mostly use a practical police fleet

Personally I believe that the reason the emperor wanted a massive fleet of star destroyers was not particularly to fight the rebellion, but to ensure the empires military was powerful enough to wage galaxy scale war vs any major military threats that they may face in the future. for example, the YuzanVong (however that is spelt) along with other threats that come from the areas of space that are too dangerous or difficult to explore. Id also be willing to bet that since the sith went from being almost completely erradicated to engineering an overthrow of the republic that the emperor would have a fear of a similar thing happening with the jedi, with survivors building up their forces in secret and flipping the game all over again, Which it could be argued that did happen with the help of the rebellion. In the end however the empire would have been better served with differant tatics both for managing the empire and for hunting down the rebels.

I would have to agree: more bigger is not more better. Many CAPABLE smaller cruisers would provide an ECONOMICAL flexibility that the ISD's simply couldn't provide. Well done video and I subscribed .

Wow...there is a lot to this Star Wars lore

it seems like the ISD would be vital, but in smaller numbers, like a few hundred, no more than a thousand stationed in the core until some are needed for an actual campaign. Then like you said, a large number of smaller ships that are more manageable.

Your whole description of the Empire at 5 BBY is what the real world is now.