George Groves Boxing Club | Referee Ian John-Lewis

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George Groves Boxing Club | Referee Ian John-Lewis
George Groves and Dec Taylor are joined this week by referee Ian John-Lewis.
John-Lewis was infamously downgraded for his scorecard in Josh Taylor’s controversial victory over Jack Catterall back in February 2022.
The undisputed light-welterweight clash saw Taylor awarded a split-decision victory and, ahead of their rematch, John-Lewis is here to give his side of the story.
As the subject matter in this episode is a controversial topic, we reached out to the British Boxing Board of Control and they responded by informing Boxing News they had nothing further to add following their original statement.
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@dontbewoke Ай бұрын

This man is UTTERLY UTTERLY CORRUPT and should have been nowhere near an interview. The fact that he's been officiating in the sport for so long only goes to show how broken/bent it is. Disgraceful.

@joshd790 Ай бұрын

Definitely been used as a escape goat though

@dontbewoke Ай бұрын

scapegoat@@joshd790

@user-dy6rg9bt8y Ай бұрын

@@joshd790escape goat 😂🤣🤣😂

@joshd790 Ай бұрын

@@user-dy6rg9bt8y well certainly sounds like it from his point of view if it’s one round and he’s saying Robert smith had it the same as he did but different with rd 4 and rd 7 definitely not been given a fair shake and been made a escape goat as they couldn’t be seen to not be doing anything

@user-id1ow5gd4o Ай бұрын

Also he's milking what he can after, all about the money

@tylaplease Ай бұрын

Seems very odd that a professional boxing judge / referee not knowing who Jack Catterall was before this fight.

@Ricksta-op3qj Ай бұрын

Absolutely ridiculous… get in the bin IJL

@JoshF848 Ай бұрын

Seems impossible. There aren’t many “A star” officials, it’s the familiar names we all know and hate which used to include Ian - they are the ones who cover the domestic shows for the major promoters. Catterall’s been on the scene for a long time, their paths have almost certainly crossed many times, pretending not to know who he is comes across like an excuse.

@michaelashworth7294 Ай бұрын

He's not intelligent enough to be corrupt.

@dontbewoke Ай бұрын

It doesnt take intelligence to put money in your pocket to give a fighter a decision...@@michaelashworth7294

@Ricksta-op3qj Ай бұрын

@@michaelashworth7294 he’s not intelligent enough to understand the difference between still and sparkling water… how was he one of the “top” judges in the country. Joke.

@andymcnab2.0 Ай бұрын

Ian John-Lewis = double shifty

@Zx9rc1 Ай бұрын

This guy should be banned from the sport.

@michaelhatton4866 26 күн бұрын

Ha ha

@donnybrasco9330 Ай бұрын

Corrupt official & works for the old bill 😂🤦‍♂️

@Gm_1398 Ай бұрын

Sounds about right 🤣🤣

@MrWizzleTeets Ай бұрын

Fuck me that was painful getting through that. George was so classy.

@benjames10 Ай бұрын

Did he say he didn’t realise all 4 belts were on the line? You want to give him the benefit of the doubt but he doesn’t do himself any favours here

@JoshF848 Ай бұрын

It suggests at the very least that he wasn’t taking his job seriously. Probably because he has a history of terrible scores and refereeing decisions that he’d got away with before.

@woobiewoo5405 Ай бұрын

absolutely disgusting

@Ahyeeeh Ай бұрын

This guy has made wayy too many questionable decisions in the ring over the years which has tainted the sport. You can understand a bad day at work but it's been happening for yearsss!

@aaronconnolly7286 Ай бұрын

Agreed. But I watched the 4th and he was spot on. Close but taylor won it..

@dogsbollocksgenius9480 Ай бұрын

@@aaronconnolly7286what😂 I just watched the 4th round after he said go watch it, it’s a clear Catterall round. Taylor landed nothing and Catterall was landing combinations on him! How on earth is that a Taylor round?

@bertRaven1 Ай бұрын

@@aaronconnolly7286 I'm sure they have a specsavers in your village

@aaronconnolly7286 Ай бұрын

@dogsbollocksgenius9480 thought it was close edged taylor few people I've spoke too the same. Not that it changes the outcome.

@aaronconnolly7286 Ай бұрын

@@bertRaven1 😅😅I'll watch it again

@williamwright4527 Ай бұрын

George & Dec looked *so* uncomfortable listening to this waffle and deflection.

@STOKER1994 Ай бұрын

Find it strange how he didn’t know who Catterall was but seemed to big a big fan of josh Taylor when the fight started

@MrCooky001 Ай бұрын

Sometimes, I hate boxing, this interview didn't help.

@joeytaylor3078 Ай бұрын

He is deluded beyond belief

@antonyvaughan7808 Ай бұрын

He said, "after five or six rounds I didn't know how I'd scored it". Then he said, "He was wondering after six or seven rounds he was thinking if the other two judges had it the same way he'd had it". Unfortunately he's not the brightest coin in the fountain, and you have to have a good memory to be a convincing liar. And Catterall won the fourth round by a country mile...

@donnybrasco9330 Ай бұрын

He was so oblivious to the scoring.. but also thought after Caterall scored a knock down.. it’s even and if he wins the next 4 rounds he wins the fight 😂 which one is it?

@antonyvaughan7808 Ай бұрын

@@donnybrasco9330 He contradicted himself from start to finish, Whoever advised him to go on the George podcast hasn't done him any favours...

@williamwright4527 Ай бұрын

10 minutes in and staggered that this man was allowed to referee for an undisputed title fight. He admits he went in with the pre conceived notion that Taylor would smash Catterall to pieces, because he had never heard of Catterall WTF

@michaelashworth7294 Ай бұрын

He was "distraughted" tells you how dim this bloke is

@williamwright4527 Ай бұрын

@@michaelashworth7294 he was unbelievably inarticulate. Reflects really poorly on the sport that a man of such limited intellect is allowed such an influential position in such a high profile contest. An utter shambles.

@michaelashworth7294 Ай бұрын

@williamwright4527 Agreed. How someone of such low intelligence became one of the top ten judges/referees in the UK doesn't reflect well on boxing.

@balboughan7826 Ай бұрын

7 mins in I can smell bull crap

@TeampeakUk Ай бұрын

Talking absolute bollocks he should never judge again if he can't look back and see what a disgrace this decision was

@user-id1ow5gd4o Ай бұрын

Look at his stoppage of Enzo Macrinelli fucking shocking

@jackshepherd8965 Ай бұрын

According to the WBC scoring criteria available on their website you do not get scored for forward foot pressure or “pushing the fight”. The only activity you can score is clean. effective. work. Astonishing a judge of 30+ years experience doesn’t know this. I don’t believe him. This guy is a crook hiding behind “you don’t have the authority to question me” line… shouldn’t ever judge or ref a fight again he can’t be trusted!

@aaronconnolly7286 Ай бұрын

Bbboc will likely be diff. They all wba ibf etc. (Which doesn't help ) I had catteral. But funny enough he's actually correct about the 4th round

@M.Alexander.Esq. Ай бұрын

WBC's primary scoring criterion seems to be that their fighter must win. 🙄 The only judge that thought Fury won last weekend was the WBC one: they are hardly a paragon of fair judging.

@ItsRomell 28 күн бұрын

And what about the 3 other bodies and the Bbofc?

@jackshepherd8965 28 күн бұрын

@@M.Alexander.Esq. hahah this is funny a fair comment on the organisation but i suppose i use their written criteria because a) they have the most detailed description of how to score b) aren’t they kind of considered like the OG or the premier belt swear fighters always talk about being “the WBC champion”otherwise it’s just “I was a world champion”

@OrsJohn Ай бұрын

This man is as thick as mince. Listen to him talk. He'd be lucky to get through a BTEC.

@bendavies4326 Ай бұрын

Absolute car crash for him. Says he didn’t know the fighter or it was undisputed. Slags off “social media boxing” whilst being the misfits ref. Came out of it worst

@Zx9rc1 Ай бұрын

Did this guy really just say he should of been applauded for his score 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@adamcullen7937 Ай бұрын

The board lowered his rating because he’d made a number of questionable decisions over a short period of time. They should have pressed him on that. This snake loves a brown envelope!

@ItsRomell 28 күн бұрын

The board never said that though, it was based on this one incident hence why he’s suing. Happy to be proven wrong otherwise

@jayscouse0224 Ай бұрын

Basically saying if Catterall was a big name he would of been swayed the other way , the blokes talking shite

@spencerhedges Ай бұрын

As an ex inspector with the board i've met ian on a couple of occasions and he was a nice bloke. One time he was reading boxing news so i find it hard to believe someone who reads boxing news doesn't know who Jack Caterall is..

@gruunt4064 Ай бұрын

A* referee and he didn't know the fight was for all 4 belts, everyone in boxing knew Josh Taylor was undisputed and knew why Josh was fighting Jack. He is also over talking, giving too much information, one of those things that people do when they are lying

@alanmaguire5840 28 күн бұрын

Spot on...

@michaelhatton4866 25 күн бұрын

Catterall started his pro career in 2012. Anybody that is a senior part of the sport, researches and investigates who they are judging or refereeing, it's just part of the job.

@tomarze2071 Ай бұрын

George was struggling to not say what he really wanted to say there hahahaha

@Yiealo6372jd Ай бұрын

This guy is delusional. Pretty ridiculous how he justifies it & thinks he’s done nothing wrong. Worst decision I’ve ever seen, cost Catterall millions & his careers stalled since

@Sam-tx1tn Ай бұрын

It wasn’t just this decision that prompted his demotion I suspect.

@ItsRomell 28 күн бұрын

It was. The decision was made in isolation, that’s where the issue lies

@michaelhatton4866 26 күн бұрын

@@ItsRomell "The Board", does NOT like anybody that stands up to them, read up on Bruce Baker the operations guy for BIBA who decided to fight the board.

@dogsbollocksgenius9480 Ай бұрын

Was disappointed not to see groves stick it on him a bit more tbh, groves knows what it’s like to get done over by a ref, felt like they let ian John Lewis just sit there and SOMEHOW talk about himself as some kinda victim, as if he was the one who got done over and not jack Catterall! Incredible. Ps how thick is he? Thick as two short planks John Lewis

@Bowie. Ай бұрын

At first, I respected that he got on here. Then he just deflected. He will never get better because he doesn't accept blame.

@Zx9rc1 Ай бұрын

Exactly this! It’s why people don’t like Josh Taylor as well

@anthonyabbey7531 Ай бұрын

He give the last 4 rounds to Taylor , he should have been retired not demoted. His body language and his tone from start to finish says to me he’s chatting absolute shite. I’d be checking his offshore accounts.

@bendybruce Ай бұрын

It's very hard to put my finger on. But there's something just not right about the way this guy talks. He has the air Of a salesman about him. Almost like he's trying to sell snow to En Eskimo.

@tineca407 Ай бұрын

It really shows that he was biased before the fight started as he reckons Taylor would smash this boxer he hadn’t heard of. He should be banned from being allowed near the sport. He still doesn’t acknowledge the impact he had on catterall .I agree other comments regarding not letting him promulgate his defensive nonsense.

@benjyyy Ай бұрын

The fact that he said that without even realising how bad it sounds kind of says it all

@monkeymagic436 Ай бұрын

The bit where he talks about what he would say to catterall is weird Officials should never speak

@MrJondinham Ай бұрын

That was painful 🤣

@1stworldproblems873 Ай бұрын

This victim

@MrWizzleTeets Ай бұрын

Yeah that poor man

@Michael-pt8cr Ай бұрын

his stoppage in enzo mac vs oville 1 is the worst ive ever seen

@brettworrallo395 29 күн бұрын

You know how you know it was a fix , bet365 with 30 seconds of the last round had Taylor at 33/1

@mikedavies71 Ай бұрын

How is this clown a boxing judge absolutely corrupt to his core

@megarichie007 Ай бұрын

Grovesey was in until he waffles about George's bad experience and twitter and George's impression was this guy is not with reality 😅

@TheRavingGrinch Ай бұрын

The arrogance of this corrupt bloke to sit here and tell everyone else that can’t challenge him as he knows better is amazing. You’ve been found out have fun reffing white collar bouts mate

@harrymcgrath7171 Ай бұрын

Youse should get Adelaide bird on, grill her for scoring 118-110 for canelo v GGG 1

@grahamlees6152 Ай бұрын

As soon as he says to watch round 4 again, I did. It's a clear JC round. And it isn't just one round, ingave JT three out of the 12, seemingly that in the concensus, but according to IJL nobody but him knows boxing. All three judges scored it poorly.

@jambo1808 Ай бұрын

The fact he didn’t no who Catterall was means the right decision was made simple 👍

@juniorjones79 Ай бұрын

They had a big cash bet on Taylor to win on points, course they do, cant be paid that well

@tubey84 Ай бұрын

A joke of a referee. Should have been banned from the sport after that card, and banned twice for his Yarde card.

@user-dy6rg9bt8y Ай бұрын

Its not Subjective you Have a criteria , why do you keep saying one round one round, you gave it by 3 points to taylor yet he never won more than 4 rounds .

@ItsRomell 28 күн бұрын

Scoring is subjective hence it’s uncommon to have all judges having the same scorecard. Regarding the one round thing he’s right, he only scored it one round different from Victor who scored it one round different from Howard, it’s not like it was super wide between all 3 judges.

@brianthompson891 16 күн бұрын

Mr Lewis with respect ,you said you came from nothing,if I could just say your forefathers all ran the race of life with trouble and tribulations love hate hurt wonder and joy which is a part of what placed you in the life you now live. Always respect your family past and present be proud of yourself and your history.❤❤

@JSmith-gs5uo Ай бұрын

Says a lot about boxing allowing this guy to judge a fight at the highest of levels.

@anthonyabbey7531 Ай бұрын

Froch actually took his video down after he re watched the fight. Says it all really, Reckon could have been me calling him a complete shithouse for saying Taylor won it comfortably 😂😂

@kayeb222 Ай бұрын

I always imagine judges to be 60/70 year old guys with grey hair snd a moustache with upper class accents but this guy suprised me as he sounds like an ex-coke dealer who just got out of Wansworth nick!! 😂

@JSmith-gs5uo Ай бұрын

Wow. This guy has no conscience about the mistake he made and the impact it had on caterall’s career. He shouldn’t have earned another penny out of boxing again.

@bevjohnson5280 Ай бұрын

Seems very odd that he was thinking " Taylor will smash this guy ", before they stepped into the ring . Seems very odd that he gave Taylor the last 4 rounds. Taylor had a point deducted in the 11th.

@romfordgal Ай бұрын

Cant wait for his new book...when the author gets around to writing it...(I am aware of ghost writers but at least pretend you have some imput) Not having heard of catterall is shocking, especially considering the build up to the fight and its at a sold out arena.

@TeampeakUk Ай бұрын

Criticism for the ref what a joke look in the mirror

@michaelcorleone7598 Ай бұрын

For domestic world title bouts, bring in foreign referees simple

@derrickbuckley2503 Ай бұрын

Never known a man to want fame and a pat on the back so much

@dangraham8473 Ай бұрын

Never heard so much waffel in all my life. Can't believe the lads just let him talk so much shite without pushing back on it

@jameskelly846 28 күн бұрын

He doesn't know what he's doing or how to do his job ,my god I'm in bits here listening to this.take me lord I've had enough

@doncorleone2882 27 күн бұрын

It made my piss boil watching this - the fact he didn’t know who jack was says it all - the fact he was worrying about giving it the other fella worrying about what the other judges would have seen -bias -

@AlexBell-ed6vm 29 күн бұрын

This really is quite a shocking interview - and makes me question a lot of what happened that night between Taylor & Catterall I. Just watched the last few rounds again - and it was so scrappy, you could make a case for Taylor taking three of the four, playing devil's advocate. But Ben Davison repeatedly says to Taylor before the last: 'You need a stoppage...you need a stoppage.' They knew he was losing...they knew their man had been beaten. IJL had Taylor one round UP after 7. Hearing this tool of an individual take us through their boxing journey, it really does scare the hell out of me in terms of objectivity and just having the minerals to be an official judge in such an important sporting arena. This is all very dodgy indeed.

@vicasbailey6895 23 күн бұрын

The FACT that this deluded referee still maintains that he scored the fight correctly is ridiculous! totally incorrect!!!

@jacklifeonwheels Ай бұрын

Don't change the fact he scored it wrong

@davidh.8798 Ай бұрын

Just rewatched Taylor-Caterall Rd. 4. In fairness to IJL, both fighters are equally scrappy, but it's hard to see Taylor nicking it. The only decent combo came from Caterall, where he landed 3 or 4 scoring shots. He also landed a lovely body shot at one point. Meanwhile, I only counted Taylor scoring once all round to the head (right at the end), and perhaps to the body once or twice. Neither excelled in terms of defence, ring generalship or effective aggression, but I might just shade Caterall in all of them (Taylor was sloppy as hell all round). I wouldn't downgrade a ref on this round, but it looks a poor call to give it to Taylor. IMO.

@alanmaguire5840 28 күн бұрын

He actually said he did not realize that was for all the belts?

@sleepyhollowbedroomcentre4945 26 күн бұрын

He Has No idea at all , He should of been Sacked years ago . Lost for words !!!!!!!

@brettworrallo395 29 күн бұрын

Also the Taylor Lopez fight was already signed hence why all the espn heirachy was there that night

@bambamunlicensed9085 29 күн бұрын

Watched it again but didn’t score it!! What a coincidence

@TeampeakUk Ай бұрын

Would like to know how he scored GGG v canelo 1 and usyk fury

@user-id1ow5gd4o Ай бұрын

How about the Enzo Macrinelli stoppage absolutely shocking

@chrisboyle4049 Ай бұрын

Be good to see how Ian scores the second one live !

@reel_reflections Ай бұрын

I have to admit, I'm pretty astounded by the scoring example Ian gives around 13:20, that if neither fighter has landed but one is consistently moving forward you give him the round. Surely that's an even round!

@kayeb222 Ай бұрын

To be honest it sounds fair enough if one guy is moving forward and trying to push the action and the other is constantly running away. I still don't like the guy though!

@matthewstephens6848 Ай бұрын

Definitely not. The guy who is pushing will nearly always get the nod. Rightly so.

@matthewstephens6848 Ай бұрын

Definitely not. The guy who is pushing will nearly always get the nod. Rightly so.

@reel_reflections Ай бұрын

@@matthewstephens6848 but you score for effective aggression. Not simply aggression. If no one is landing it's an even round.

@matthewstephens6848 Ай бұрын

@@reel_reflections it’s just not how they score it. I don’t make the rules, but I agree with em. If neither of you do much but one is being negative and not landing, he loses the round. I agree with it. Otherwise there’s no reward for being a positive fighter. It’s like football. If there was judges on a nil/nil game - they’d reward those that actually pushed the game as opposed to not trying to force it.

@user-dy6rg9bt8y Ай бұрын

Race card 😂😂😂😂😂😂 no mate you were consistantly shocking

@brettworrallo395 29 күн бұрын

Tell you something the way he carries himself is wrong I always thought refs would be really clued up and really formal this guy is a fraud i honestly can’t believe this guy is a referee at championship level

@UncleBurntApostrophe 28 күн бұрын

He doesn't strike you with cognitive confidence like, but fair play for doing the interview, Ian

@brettworrallo395 29 күн бұрын

What’s he on about swigging a beer not watching didn’t terry o Connor fall asleep then put a corrupt card in

@UncleBurntApostrophe 28 күн бұрын

Of course not! Then I was robbed back in day; WOW, can’t write this shit🤣

@MightyBeatts 27 күн бұрын

Great episode and great show. Ian was a great guest with terrific insight to Share. Still not Convinced he has watched it back or that he can count. If hes ahead at the 8th round plus has a knockdown in his favour how could josh win the fight

@bertRaven1 Ай бұрын

in my opinion this man is a liar.

@Factualtheorist Ай бұрын

Scoring a fight is subjective. 3 judges, 3 “opinions” from 3 different angles. Boxing, certainly at the highest level needs to implement changes. Judges scores for each round be made aware, so there is no doubt who is winning the fight (on the cards anyway) at least that would give some clarity.

@Midlife_mike Ай бұрын

Ian “con” Lewis

@TheAngrySportsfan01 Ай бұрын

This is gonna be painful to listen too but I have to be strong 😢

@Asht-mj4wy 29 күн бұрын

He sounds like David Brent

@bambamunlicensed9085 29 күн бұрын

90/1 caterall was for a split I lost £900 on that fight

@jhnhcks57 28 күн бұрын

Feel like an idiot watching boxing if people like him are involved, total bluster and arrogance.

@jamieboyle5900 Ай бұрын

How was judges for the smith ryder fight or ritson vasquez not brought forward 2 worse scores than taylor catt fight reason is because they wanted an English unified champion

@stephenwright2854 Ай бұрын

You Fraud... One of the most blatant showings of bias foul play ever to be on show at a world title fight. 114-111 was both an insult and ridiculous. An absolute joke of a judge, you destroyed Jack's right to be an undisputed world champion.

@ItsRomell 28 күн бұрын

What about 113-112? Victor is also to blame

@jayscouse0224 Ай бұрын

That fight wasn’t even close

@tgreen3198 Ай бұрын

Should of asked him how much he got paid to be bent and was it worth it in hindsight, no way in a million years should he be allowed to ref any sport, couldn't trust him reffing tiddly winks.

@louishenderson4516 16 күн бұрын

Taylor won the 7th tbf

@jojojshmo Ай бұрын

I AM THE WEFFEREE!

@kjw111 Ай бұрын

Isnt boxing politics great 😂

@doncorleone2882 27 күн бұрын

Every credit for him coming on instead of refusing - however it makes my piss boil watching this - the fact he wasn’t honest about it - sometimes you would gain more credibility just being honest - Catterall absolutely outboxed him - everybody on earth knows - Good riddance

@brettworrallo395 29 күн бұрын

Money for nothing haha fuck me couldn’t make it up

@alanmaguire5840 28 күн бұрын

I can't listen to this rotten to core man anymore...

@bertRaven1 Ай бұрын

40:54 game, set and match