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Dan and Dave got an offer to work on the Star Wars franchise and that's when D&D decided to ditch GoT and end it as quickly as possible. They basically got greedy and impatient. That's when the writing on GoT took a nosedive and the ending pissed off everyone. Oh, and because GoT ended so badly, Lucasfilm then withdrew their offer to D&D so both of them ended up with nothing.

I am glad to hear GRRM didn't like the last season any more than I did.

If we as fans hated the last season, just imagine how much George as the creator hated it

George said there was plenty of material for more seasons but david and dan “wanted a life” and to do other things. Fair enough. Well and good. Then go have your life and do other things and let someone else continue with the extra seasons. Their attitude towards it seemed awfully selfish to me.

HBO should have fired Dan and Dave the moment they started pushing for shorter seasons and episode counts. Hopefully they don't allow something like that to happen again. If you are arguing for that, then your heart clearly isn't in it anymore.

Sounds like D&D started to believe they were responsible for the success of the show and thought they didn't need GRRM. And, of course, their own hubris resulted not only in their downfall but the downfall of the show as well.

Every time I hear a promise for the last two books I kinda feel like Theon in his cell. You want to hear the words, but you know you can't trust them.

If only we can pursue HBO to get new writers and re shoot the story after season 5. I'd watch it, 10 times over

It’s his universe, these are his characters and this is his story. GRRM deserved a say in everything. EVERYTHING. He’s literally THE CREATOR. D&D destroyed what could been the greatest and the biggest show ever made with the last two seasons for whatever the reasons might have been. To a point where it has been erased from pop culture and no one talks about it anymore. It’s kinda sad coz I was a huuuuge GoT fan.

Not to defend D&D, but GRRM wanted HBO to halt the show until he finished the books. He wanted HBO to sit atop the actors contracts for years - while paying them and the "kids" got older and the hype diminished year after year after year. He's an impractical man. It's impossible to make a show this expensive to last for 13 seasons. D&D did a bad job, yes. But GRRM also let us down.

The crime that D&D committed is that they didn’t want to do the show anymore but refused to resign and let someone else who cared finish it.

Interesting that GOT started going downhill once GRRM was out of the loop.

I think the Hound relieving himself in the river that Lady Stoneheart was supposed to be pulled out of was a hard and public middle finger to George. I see that as a for sure cutoff point for him working with them at all.

HBO GOT ended so out of character of how the show was heading. I honestly would have accepted Cersei winning at the end over the train wreck the writers threw at us.

I was thinking about George RRM tell once that The Red Wedding chapter was really hard for him to write and in fact he wrote the rest of the book first and came back to finish this chapter last. Just because it was emotionally the most difficult- killing off characters he loved and was attached to. Maybe this is similar with Winds. My understanding is that this book is likely meant to be the darkest of the series, with devastation, loss, despair throughout the seven kingdoms. It's probably not fun to write chapter after chapter of such bleak landscape, your beloved characters suffering and dying

George doesnt need to be angry about it. There’s plenty of anger out here in the fandom. All he needs to do is WRITE❣️

Hollywood almost always does this with great novels, these directors/show runners think they know better than the award winning authors of these IP's, their egos are unreal. When will executives learn to rein these producers/show runners in and make them stick to the IP they spent a fortune to buy, look what the show runner did to the Witcher, she refused to stick to the books and destroyed the show. Thankfully Dan and Dave have hardly worked since the season 8 disaster.

Maybe my grandson will have the honor to read TWOW

A couple of points. 1 - I doubt anyone will be arguing in any seriousness as to what the real ending will be as long as the written story is completed. 2 - the remark about actors perhaps wanting to go on to other projects - as much as that is true and bigger scale doesn't always mean better things, I can't think of a single actor who has been in anything remotely as popular by comparison to their roles in GoT, since the end of the show. Do we know if any of the actors actually felt 'done with' their roles and were happy it didn't go on longer? We know that Emilia and Kit both felt gutted personally and that might be an understatement.

if they didnt cut characters we get season 9-11. Young griff is a game changer and dorn is an addition plot.

George should have maybe wrote the remaining 2 books and gave them the content everybody wanted instead of them having to make it up on the fly. He will literally do anything other than finish these books.

It pisses me off that they already had the ending repeated constantly in Aegon Targaryen’s prophetic dream and it didn’t happen. It’s the most irritating thing ever. It makes the whole prophecy irrelevant.

Hopefully we will live long enough to see a GOT remake. I actually think I have a better chance of seeing a remake in my lifetime then ever reading the final book. I am now sad while typing this, because I realize that it is the truth.

Obviously, the show went down hill rapidly once George was no longer involved. That being said if he no longer wanted to be directly invovled, it makes sense that the people involved with the show are going to work effeciently and not include George. What did he expect that would ask his approval on every script? You either are working oni it or you are not. I think this is just George's way of letting us know that after season 4 it is no his story. And we as fans can not expect some TV writers to be anywhere near the quality of writer that George is.

Curious, why doesn't GRRM "retcon" the unwanted seasons or events in the upcoming Snow series? I bet most of the characters are willing to come back.

Dan and Dave had One Job: To adapt the NOVELS in "A Song of Ice and Fire" into an HBO series. There's just one problem. Dan and Dave ran out of finished novels, and likely only had a cliff's notes equivalent of material for The Winds of Winter, and at the most, bullet points of events that had to happen in A Dream of Spring. Because Martin FAILED to deliver the remaining two books in his novel series. And now, even after all these years, he STILL hasn't finished ONE of the two books. Also, I distinctly remember watching a video where Martin clearly stated that the way the show ended was pretty much the way the books would end, though he said that there would be more character perspectives in the books. So tell me how it's really Dan and Dave's fault? Their biggest mistake was undertaking the project when the source material wasn't anywhere near complete. I think they assumed that Martin would care enough about his career as a writer to actually get Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring done while the show was being produced.. I did the figures and determined that had he written something like 402 words a day, five days a week, he could have delivered Winds of Winter in the form of a novel the same length as A Game of Thrones by the midpoint of Season 4, and A Dream of Spring at the same length by end of Season 7. The gap between 7 and 8 would have allowed the final books full adaptation. But no. Martin didn't really even get started good with writing Winds of Winter until after the show ended. So Dan and Dave had no choice but to use the limited resources they had to write the ending of the story FOR martin. That wasn't their job. I lay the failure of Season 7, and to a greater degree, Season 8 at Martin's feet. And if Martin was so unsatisfied with Dan and Dave's handling of the as-yet unwritten novels' material, then why didn't he, as an executive producer, step in and put them in their place and make sure they got it on track. Remember, like I said, Martin said that the books would end like the show ended. So, he must not have been all that disappointed. When you are adapting something, you shouldn't have to feel like you're having to lay down tracks in front of a moving train.

Unfortunately, when a writer makes the deal to have their work adapted, they take the chance on how it will turn out. George is still pretty lucky that the series had some great episodes and that it led to him getting many more opportunities.

Book One told us there are dragons elsewhere. Remember, Bran saw them warging.. the books are so great. I hope he does finish.

YAWN. When he finishes the books (or at least publishes the next one that has now been 10+ years since the last book) I'll be interested in his complaints.

GRRM should have finished writing his books like he promised to do. The show changed when they went from source material to an outline of what could happen.

I love GRRM. I don’t care whether he gives another book or not. The ones he gave us are pretty damn special

people noticed the downfall in season 5, I felt it in season 7 where everyone can just teleport. It's so strange, in early season it takes them a few episodes to get to the next kingdom, showing us how big the world is.

I’m reminded of the way Clive Cussler’s works have been treated on film. He wrote books that were excellent movie scripts and the studios just wiped their butts with them.

D&D still gave the only ending for GoT we'll ever get. Prove me wrong George, prove me wrong.

I mean… The whole damn series”The Last Kingdom”!was freaking awesome. So he’s not wrong.

Since he got out of the writers room after season 4, he could focus on winds of winter???? That was wishful thinking huh?

George is in no position to complain. He cashed the check. Finish the story, George.

I think the show ended the way the books will, but... the show is like your friend telling you the plot of movie he just saw. He's leaving out lot of detail and some things don't make sense, but the broad strokes are there.

could there be a tv show adaptation in the future of a song of ice and fire, one which stays 100% on point with the books ? what would be the chances of that

I thought I would never say it, but I DO NOT CARE about WoW any longer... It's been too long coming and I've moved on with my life and other things due to the extended wait...

I don't trust a word George says. He's had over a decade to finish the book but he didn't.

Wow almost 4 years later and we're all still pissed off hahah . Damn I think this is a first for television, where a massive fan base feels absolutely betrayed , where the show has been completely forgotten

If he was “out of the loop” after season 4, why hasn’t he finished writing the books?

Didn’t he promise a book to be released during the show’s run? We’re years past the show being over and still no book. D&D made mistakes but they didn’t exist in a bubble - other people had opportunities to jump in. And GRRM wanting the show to continue past eight seasons… well then give them more material.

The last kingdom was amazing though too. I didn’t know GRRM gave them a nod or that it happened during the final season 😅

Mister Martin talking about his book and saying: " 'Winter' is coming I told you long ago, and so it is" is such a genius and clever line

I'm sorry but I don't believe the fans of the books will ever see the written end of this great series of novels. I sadly don't see it happening.

He could just write a different ending for the books. Oh wait! Forgot he can't be bothered.

On the other hand they simply had nothing new to work with since the first season aired. I doubt anyone would have predicted that they would have no new material available until the end of the show, and that they suddenly would need to become writers of the story who can consult with the author, rather than adaptors. It's really unfortunate how this all went down, starting with one of the best if not the best series in television and then degrading like that. It feels like this story is just not meant to be finished properly in any shape or form.

If he really wanted to save the show, he would've finished the booms so the writers could just adapt the books like they used to

after listening to this, I am really hopeful that Oda (author and artist of One Piece) keeps his creative control of the adaptation. While the showrunners of the OPLA seem much more into it than DD ever seemed to me, distater of deviation can always strike

I think this is one reason he has not finished the books. I think he is afraid of how it will be received. I think he is at a loss on how to end it.

Frankly, my compassion for the complaints of a guy who happily sold half a story for 15 million dollars/season is pretty limited. Not to mention - his comments plainly throw shade not only at the show, but (intentionally or not) at himself, too: praising The Last Kingdom, whose author managed to write 7 novels in the time since GoT started, and Endgame which demonstrated how to actually *finish* a long-running story.

Even though he's put Winds off for 50 years, I'm still as excited today as I was when he released his first chapter on the blog. Please George.. please knock this out of the park. We're itching.

Thanks for the review.

nothing could have given me the desire to watch The Last Kingdom more than that tweet from George

It's easier to point fingers.. but the reality is HBO could have got a new director and re involved George to continue more seasons but they cleaned their hands and this is the conclusion. Yes, the directors wanted to give the conclusion for the show, but they also have a lot of bosses and producers above them.. so I can't really blame all to the directors

This is a perfect example of content creators milking time. This video goes on and on but never really goes anywhere.

Thanks it is good to have an idea of how George feels. Not that it is a big surprise. Again thanks for the information👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🌹

well all he has to do is finish the f’in story and we can get a finale

I still don:t get how the author of the books AND HBO wanted a longer show, but D&D had the final say about it?

Really good video ! Thank you.

Yeah, dear George, no grace from me. You created this mess.

Ok I get it. But honestly George kind of have no one to blame but himself. The show literally caught up to his books and he still was not done. But I do agreed, D and D grew super big and thought they can do no wrong. But boy was that not the case.

Well done, great summary

just finished re-watching GoT after the the first season of HotD ended , and I feel robbed that we didn't get the ending we deserved, re-watching made me realise the amount of writing mistakes that happened in the show , ser Barristan's death , Arya's marvel plot armor doing parkour with an open belly and so much more. House of the dragon on the other hand , Loved everything about it , especially Viserys's last walk to the throne

If HBO wanted more seasons, why didn't they hire new writers?

His writing style isn't an architect but a Gardner.....translating to even he has no idea what could or even what will or in the case of Winds what has happened to the various characters, which is on the one hand hopeful, yet if you are trying to not only to craft an overall storyline but write a TV show under deadlines due to contracts that held the financial futures of the cast and crew in jeopardy. It might take lifetimes for him to discover what could happen and how he wants to tell it because he is floundering for closure. I didn't initially enjoy the final product but the story as well as the books are left up to interpretation until he finalizes his gardening process and harvests results. HBO and the cast and crew are reality, expectations were real. George is still trying to muster confidence on pulling everything together and writing a plot down the long ways. Much patience and passion to you and your channel I love your possible take on season 8 and 9 they took more time and energy than George has for this era of the series.

The last seasons of GOT destroy all my feeling about the show and GRR Martin's books, I even didn't watch the new show. Martin was not a newbie in screenwriting and relationship with producers. He can shame D&D as he want but he also let all that mess happen.

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It really is crazy looking back how D&D put out that travesty of a last season

I have a couple theories on why wow is taking so long. I think the tv show used some of his endings and he’s trying to rewrite to not have the same outcome. Or he has just wrote himself into a corner and can’t work it out. My last idea is he is writing both winds of winter and dream of spring at the same time, this is why it is taking so long… but who knows really these are just my thoughts. Winter is coming…

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If George told Dave and Dan that the ending is that it was all one long fever dream of Ned's and that he never left Winterfell, you have to respect it. It's his story. I don't understand these "creative differences." It's not yours to do whatever you want with.

Well it wouldnt of been like this if he had finished his novel. At the end it falls back on him. Hope he does finish his book soon and a Dream of Spring

This makes me so sad. We deserved faithful adaptions of the books.

I'm of 2 minds with this because on the one hand, D&D made something so shockingly bad. Like there's a noticeable difference between trying and not sticking the landing and someone very clearly not caring anymore. That said, this man still has released the next book, and there's meant to be another after in like twice the length of the entire TV show so I don't really understand what he expected to happen. Even if they adapted every minor character in the books, they would have run out of material to pull from unless they spun their wheels forever to not pay anything off and if that was the case, do we really think the show would last this long, let alone how long it would take for him to drop both books? I think people let him off the hook for the show too much because frankly, it was never gonna end well since he very clearly doesn't know where to go himself. How can we honestly expect anyone else to make a satisfying ending when he can't even figure out what to write himself in over a decade? Especially when they were only supposed to adapt the source material, they were never meant to make up the ending or make up large parts of the story. I am not defending D&D but at this point, George had the power to prove he was in the right but he's still here just talking, making excuses, saying it's almost done year after year so it seems kind of ridiculous to expect he wasn't pissing people off with this wishy washy nature behind the scenes of the show when I guarantee you, they all went into the show expecting the books to come out, or at least one of the books to come out, long before they got to the point they did because TV shows are never guaranteed to continue, most shows never get as many seasons as GOT did so it seems wild for George to throw shade about the show not lasting longer when he still hasn't delivered himself. Both sides are as to blame for this as the other IMO.

He didn't even finish the book, no point arguing what he wants at the ending. The producers cannot wait that long....

Act like seasons 6, 7, and 8 did not exist, and re do them, completing at season 10. I want to see the Wheel Break, I want the Night King to be resolved in the 10th season. I want to follow Varys, after Littlefinger. I want to find out that Varys is a Wizard, and his hatred was misdirected, and Varys learns of the Warlock. Lady Stoneheart-season 7&8? How about the Mysterious lady of Quaith. Maybe season 10 should end with some things resolved, and other things not.

GRRM is the person to blame here, he can’t finish a book.

Makes you wonder how D and D'er managed to get away with nosediving the franchise into the ground.

Maybe he should put out the next book. It has been 12 years. The entire Expanse series was written and released in that time period.

I tel people that still haven't seen the series but say they're going to 'when a church burns down stop watching. Cersie wins the game of thrones the end.'

This guy is 75 years old. The novel is 12 years late. He will never finish it. There is only one end of GOT, the one in the TV series.

NEVER LEAVE OUT THE CREATOR!!! George should have kept creative control. HOTD is good because George is involved. Oda Sensei with One Piece is doing it right because he is giving his blessing on all the changes and the changes actually make sense to the characters.

George RR Martin apparently doesn't want to write any more Game of Thrones books either! I think the problems with the TV series resulted mainly from this and are as much his fault as the show's writers who were left with no books to adapt the last seasons from.

Throw as much shade at D&D

Thanks for these little nuggets of information.

I can still remember the anticipation I had to watch the last season and how I got progressively angrier and more disappointed at how bad it was… it really could have been one of the best shows ever, all to be ruined my mediocre writing in the very end.

Any update on Jon Snow sequel?

D & D should have given next few seasons to other directors and left. GRRM speed up the book sooner.

To be honest, I understand them, I would be bored to hell working on the same project for years. But they couldn't replace them because of the risks of bringing new authors.

To be fair, maybe if GRRM had of put as much effort into finishing his books as he did in soaking up the fame from how well the show was doing, then it might not have ended as such a clusterfuck.....

GRR Martin, begged too late... he could’ve finished the books and gave the conclusion we all deserved but HBO got tired of waiting for him. Now he cries when he had all these years to finish it..

If George had finished the books... they would've kept going. Dan & Dave did a wonderful adaptation until they ran out of material to adapt... winds of winter has been "close to finished" since... George should be that last person speaking on this

Can anyone tell me what the music song is playing out the video at the end?

"George no longer wanted to write" is a good summary of the last decade

I’m so glad D&D decided not to do Star Wars after all. They couldn’t have been trusted with such a beloved franchise.

I watched an interview with Dan and Dave and said If the fans were upset with the writing it was because George wasnt giving them sorce material for the show any longer, so maybe thats why they shut him out of the writers room. They had already signed a deal before the show ended so they were just ready to go! The last two seasons were hard to watch, but I absolutely loved GOT!❤