Georgian and Corsican Polyphony. Similarity.

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Archeotopus

Archeotopus

13 жыл бұрын

This how Georgian and Corsican Polyphonies are similar.
Pre-Indoeuropean peoples have a lot in common. If Georgian and Basque languages have similar words and grammatic bonds, then here we see Georgian and Corsican polyphony sound similar to each other. As of Corsican language being Indoeuropean then it never means that Corsicans themselves are Indoeuropeans, since the tribe of Corsos , their ancestors have non-Indoeuropean roots.

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@LaBestiaVivente
@LaBestiaVivente Жыл бұрын
much love to our Georgian and Corsican brothers from SARDINIA! autochtonous europeans
@warfootagee
@warfootagee 2 жыл бұрын
I am Basque, but I know we came from Georgia. We just have too many similarities. We have many song that are almost identical which survived through time.
@orthodoxcaucasian9468
@orthodoxcaucasian9468 2 жыл бұрын
we are all IBERIANS: GEORGIANS BASQUES CORSICANS SICILIANS SARDINIANS CATALANES IT WAS PRE IDNO EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION SO CALLED PELAZGIC-ETRUSCAN CIVILIZATION!!! GOD BLESS US ALL !!!
@orthodoxcaucasian9468
@orthodoxcaucasian9468 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gNpjqaZ-q864lnU.html
@GioGeorgia
@GioGeorgia Жыл бұрын
According to legend, the Basques call themselves "Egus Skaldun". It means "rising sun" in Basque. That is, they believe that they came here from the land of the rising sun, from the east. And we know very well that ancient Kolkheti, Egris was considered the land of the rising sun. Many pets and household items in the Basque Country have the same name as in Georgia. For example, in Basque, a pig is Gociano, Shoshya - Shoshua, Goose - Pato, Cat - Cat. In many cases, the toponymy is also unchanged. For example, Georgian villages here are called: Gali, Lentekhi, Khashuri, Gori, Mestia. Most importantly, there are many Basque surnames that are absolutely identical to Georgian ones. If not for migration, how should there be such Georgian surnames as: Lolua, Nodia, Khubuluri, Inauri, Ochiauri, Tsiklauri, etc. This proves that over the millennia. The Georgian and Basque musical instruments Chiboni (Gudastvir) are identical. None of them have D (რე) major. Despite the fact that the Basques have been influenced by many cultures, they have still preserved their national dances, including the sword dance, the analogue of which is nowhere to be found, except in Georgia. They also know how to make cheese in our own way. You grill the barbecue exactly the way we do, on the grill. as the Svan Zoskhora. As it turned out, exactly the same kind of blood kupat, which the Basques are crazy about, has been prepared in Svaneti since ancient times with blood, lard and spices. In short, all these and many other things, which I cannot list, are a common bridge between us and the Basques. Ioan Mtatsmindeli himself went to Spain in the 10th century to get acquainted with the Basques. His biography says: “Our blessed father John decided to take his son and several disciples and go to Spain, because he realized that some relatives of the Georgians live there.” Javier Quintana translated "Leopard" into Basque, he is still alive today and made a great contribution to the discovery of Georgian-Basque parallels. The Iberian Peninsula, where the Basques live, is still called Iberia by the Spanish and Portuguese. Approximately 3,500 years have passed since the migration of the Caucasian and Iberian tribes to Europe, and the Basques turned out to be truly special among those who migrated - in other territories, the Caucasians mixed with other peoples, but the Basques did not. In which they were helped by the mountains. Basques are remarkably similar to Georgians. Even today, these people have the greatest respect for elders and juniors, even today they modestly treat the remains of the ancient oak with which the Basque elders decided the fate of the country before the Second World War. The oak was so symbolically associated with the rebellious Basques that the Spanish dictator Franco bombed the city of Guernica, where the oak stood, to the German fascists. The second century Greek historian Appianus said: "The Iberians who are in Asia are considered by some to be the ancestors of the European Iberians, by others to be newcomers, and by others only to be cohabitants. It is really amazing that there are surnames in the Basques - Bokeria, Nodia, Barateli, Loria, Meunargia, Narsia, Lolua, Anthia, Alania, Zarandia, Beria, Benia, Saria, Ubiria, Bedia, Landia, Eristavi, as well as Khubuluri, Inauri, Ochiauri, Tsiklauri, Amaskua and so on are common surnames in Georgia. There is also the mountain "Archanda", "Guria" near Bilbao. Finally, I would like to quote a very interesting passage from Niko Mari's work: "The ball is a sacred object. The game of ball is a relic of the cult, as should be the technique of the game, whether it is a specially erected high wall in front of the player, as the Basques have, or fighters competing with each other to carry the ball to the end. At the same time, the achievement is crowned with a shout of victory - LELO!, which It should be the name of the deity. In one of the beautiful corners of Georgia, called Guria, there is still a "Lelo ball.” Every year in Georgia, the republican championship of Leloball is traditionally held. The title of Master of Sports of Georgia has been established in this national sport.
@anatsiklauri1421
@anatsiklauri1421 Жыл бұрын
Tsiklauri is surname in basques????
@GioGeorgia
@GioGeorgia Жыл бұрын
@@anatsiklauri1421 დიახ დაიკო, გვარი წიკლაური ბასკებშიც გვხვდება საკმაოდ
@lexbor3511
@lexbor3511 7 жыл бұрын
This is a melody of one ancient civilization preserved only in mountains of Georgia and island of Corsica.
@ianadiradze652
@ianadiradze652 4 жыл бұрын
This is song from kakheti region, not from mountains of Georgia. In every region is absolutely different and amazing style of singing💗
@mariagraziazollo9180
@mariagraziazollo9180 3 жыл бұрын
Corsicans, Sardans, Ligurians, Basques, Georgians, Proto-Semites, Minoans, etc., belong to archaic civilizations, which have its origins in the "night of the centuries" that is, the beginnings at the time of the Italic Aborigines, the Janigenes, the Pelasgians ... The Mediterranean Matrix.
@antioksidant
@antioksidant 3 жыл бұрын
I have listened to similar music since I was a child in our churches and my grandmother also sang to me. I love you dear people. God be with you all! Be healthy and blessed and peace be upon you! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pZ5hdJZizdLLdXU.html
@tamarabino8896
@tamarabino8896 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. We Chechen have this style of singing as well 😌
@besikgurgenidze191
@besikgurgenidze191 3 жыл бұрын
@@ianadiradze652 მაგის თქმას ვაპირებდი მეც ❤️
@Sonic45003
@Sonic45003 8 жыл бұрын
Folk songs from people living in not quiet places surrunded or attacked by enemies made a special culture . Myself I live in Corsica
@zurabtsirekidze2223
@zurabtsirekidze2223 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am from Georgia; I heard many times in our country, that Corsica has many Eberians living there and do Corsicans think same, that majority of them, may be of Eberian descent?
@user-ol9xl4zu7p
@user-ol9xl4zu7p 5 жыл бұрын
Божествена музика. Кристални гласове. Поздрав от България
@antioksidant
@antioksidant 3 жыл бұрын
I am from Bulgaria, but as I said in a comment below, I grew up with similar music from my grandmother (a Bulgarian newcomer from White Sea Thrace) and also in our church. Now I travel and work all over the world, but when I get nostalgic, I listen to 3 playlists - Orthodox, Corsican and Georgian. Be healthy and may God bless you! Я из Болгарии, но, как я уже сказалa в комментарии ниже, я вырос на похожей музыке от моей бабушки (болгарской новички из Беломорской Фракии), а также в нашей церкви. Сейчас я путешествую и работаю по всему миру, но когда у меня возникает ностальгия, я слушаю 3 плейлиста - православный, корсиканский и грузинский. Будьте здоровы и да благословит вас Бог!
@puntarski8789
@puntarski8789 2 ай бұрын
Corzicans and sardinians share part of their gene with us balkans
@skrajina8037
@skrajina8037 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful! In Serbia we have same polyphony singling! Cheers
@virtual7insanity
@virtual7insanity 11 жыл бұрын
I am Georgian and listening to the Corsican song I had a feeling that I was listening to a very close to me person, a soul mate, long-lost mate, part of my culture, blood and soul, that is calling from the other side of the shore. I had goosebumps on my body and tears on my eyes. As soon as I have a chance, I will visit Corsica. I have to see these people that sound so mine.
@maria-serenalastrajoli840
@maria-serenalastrajoli840 4 жыл бұрын
I have the same feeling about Georgian songs, I am corsican and I love the Georgian songs because it makes me feel like Georgia is like our soulmate
@kiriguserra1540
@kiriguserra1540 4 жыл бұрын
I feel the same... and I'm from Sardinia. Subtle links between lands so far but so close... and so charming...
@virtual7insanity
@virtual7insanity 4 жыл бұрын
@@kiriguserra1540 indeed!
@virtual7insanity
@virtual7insanity 4 жыл бұрын
@@alexandershulter2157 nu motkanit tvini am tkveni vitom stumartmokvareobit. aseti sivelure ashinebs civilur da normalur adamians. jer free ekneba da mere ormag tkavs gaazrobt! mogitkant inturistis kulti. ase free tu shegizlia, kartvels daexmare, shimshilit suli rom zvreba!
@kiriguserra1540
@kiriguserra1540 4 жыл бұрын
@@virtual7insanity of course, you are welcome here! Sardinia too has a deep, inner e magic beauty
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 8 ай бұрын
The subject indeed needs further study. Recently I learnt that Guria, a Georgian province and the oldest name of Georgia, is "Our Land" for Basque.
@pauljeaniettam5680
@pauljeaniettam5680 3 жыл бұрын
Magnifique ces voix et ces mélodies géorgiennes et corses. Je suis, so corsu, j'ai baigné dans ces chants. Bravu
@MsTapenade
@MsTapenade 10 жыл бұрын
Yes! I knew that! As soon as I discovered georgian music I thought there were similarities (also with sardinian "canto a tenore").
@orthodoxcaucasian9468
@orthodoxcaucasian9468 4 жыл бұрын
yes for sure it old Iberian Culture
@OhFortunae
@OhFortunae 10 жыл бұрын
It is amazing how two peoples who have been seperated from each other, yet share a common blood link, still express themselves with similar ways of magnificence. The cultural expressiveness is through blood, the genetic make-up of a nation; in rare occasions so beautiful, a Natural gift.
@kaiservonstraus18
@kaiservonstraus18 9 жыл бұрын
what is you knowledge about similarity between georgian and basque music? and perchance cornish music? are there any similarities?
@GiorgiGachechiladze02
@GiorgiGachechiladze02 9 жыл бұрын
Adam Pstrykstein basques have similar language more like then culture... basques kept their language while Corsicans could keep their culture but their language was latinized by Roman empire
@sofiosokhadze8532
@sofiosokhadze8532 6 жыл бұрын
basque language is the fourth qarTvelian (georgian) language...also--megalit arqiteqture,traditions
@sofiosokhadze8532
@sofiosokhadze8532 6 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hJylmqh9u7vSqIk.html
@anaezdil9441
@anaezdil9441 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, there are some similarities. There is even a theory about Basques and Georgians being related, however, no one has ever provided a substantial evidence to prove the theory. So it is mostly believed that we are not related with Corsicans or Basques in any way. Moreover, there are many cultures as well, other than Corsican, Georgian and Basque, in Europe, where people sing polyphonic folk songs.
@maritodua7897
@maritodua7897 3 жыл бұрын
I Love my Georgia and Georgians people
@gregoriogarciafernandez
@gregoriogarciafernandez 2 жыл бұрын
Son los asturianos del Cáucaso, impresionan, precioso.
@asodgrupal1481
@asodgrupal1481 10 жыл бұрын
Incredibile somiglianza, grazie.
@thefatalveli1
@thefatalveli1 6 жыл бұрын
infatti
@Zviadi-N
@Zviadi-N 3 жыл бұрын
Corsica is a small Georgia. Georgia is big Corsica. The same applies to Sicily, Sardinia and Bilbao.
@GeorgianChantOrg
@GeorgianChantOrg 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for placing these videos side by side, wonderful music!
@giorgi5675
@giorgi5675 2 жыл бұрын
How amazing!!!
@EXBG
@EXBG 11 жыл бұрын
WE ARE ONE NATION WE ARE IBERIANS WE ARE OLDEST CIVILIZATION WE WERE AND RULE BEFORE ROMAN AND GREEK ERA. WE ARE FIRST EUROPEANS. GEORGIANS BASQUES CATALONIANS CORSSICANS WE ARE PART OF THAT GREAT CIVILIZATION WHICH ONE WAS CENTURIES AGO.
@Xargxes
@Xargxes 4 жыл бұрын
Catalans o.O?!
@iliaelizbarashvili2379
@iliaelizbarashvili2379 3 жыл бұрын
ჩვენები არიან, ჩვენები❤
@sofiosokhadze8532
@sofiosokhadze8532 6 жыл бұрын
we and korsikans are old iberians!!!!!!
@kavkasia
@kavkasia 12 жыл бұрын
As for the singing, there is certainly some similarity in the fact that the two styles are both ornamented. However, the style of ornamentation is quite different, with the voices following different protocol for movement. In my opinion, we are saying that the apple is like the orange. Well, in some ways it is - but in the most important ways, it is not. Let's give each of these two beautiful traditions credit for being a unique art form rather than trying to put them in the same category.
@maiaiberia
@maiaiberia 11 жыл бұрын
once i watched a movie L'enquête corse and heard there corsican song i was surprised it was so similar with georgian :)))
@ak11472
@ak11472 6 жыл бұрын
Корсиканская народная музыка звучит точно,так же, как часть грузинской народной музыки, в то время, как другие грузинские песни очень похожи на народные песни других народов Юго-Восточной Европы, не говоря уже об абсолютном внешнем сходстве Корсиканцев и Грузин, исходя из общего этно происхождения самих Грузин и Корсиканцев (со своей стороны Грузины относятся всеобщему Иберскому этническому группе, как потомки Колхидов и Иберов ). Да, грузинская культура, народная музыка и танцы уникальны, как культура, народная музыка других европейских стран и народов (как и других стран этой планеты), но в то же время она является частью универсальной европейской культуры, как остальные европейские культуры. Грузины ( не смешанные Грузины) очень похожи на других народов Юго-Восточной Европы, на других народов Европы, Иберского, Иберо/Кельтского происхождения, часто внешний идентичны этим отмеченным народам Европы, исходя , опять же, от Иберского, Медитарианского, южно-восточного Европейского происхождения самих Грузин.
@csypoygshovssutcgj9501
@csypoygshovssutcgj9501 Жыл бұрын
Все европейские народы изначально пришли с Кавказа
@schbrachbolidsei
@schbrachbolidsei 11 жыл бұрын
Pure beauty!
@MrScorpio118
@MrScorpio118 5 жыл бұрын
Soul stirring
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 11 жыл бұрын
1) Some Georgian polyphony songs go back to pagan era. "Lile" (sun) is one of them. 2) Certain songs originate form early medieval, when there were no trace of polyphony in Italy or Europe. 3) Greeks and Armenians are also Christians, but their ecclesiastical music is monophonic. Both were adjacent neighbors of Georgia, but have no trace for polyphony either in church or in everyday life. 4) Most of Georgian polyphony is not ecclesiastical, which means religion had no input on it.
@Zviadi-N
@Zviadi-N 3 жыл бұрын
Очень тонко подмечено!
@lizelantt
@lizelantt 8 ай бұрын
As a Greek I can confirm we do have polyphonic music in some areas of Greece, especially in Epirus, the Ionian Islands and some islands of the Aegean. However our polyphonic music is not ecclesiastical. Greek orthodox Christian chants are monophonic indeed
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 8 ай бұрын
@@lizelantt I suspect Epirus, Ionian, Aegean, Corsican, Basque, and from the other hand Georgian traditional singing share roots with Iberian culture, the habitat of Europe from Caucasus to Ireland before Indo-European invasion. This a scientific theory and as I know many scientists work on it.
@whcwcjecjecuecuw6654
@whcwcjecjecuecuw6654 5 ай бұрын
​@@sergocusiani epirus and ionian is probably albanian and probably actually iso-polyphony if he meant that. Greek culture had heavy influence from albanians like arvanites. I dont know anything about agean islands though they not to far from where albanians clans settled
@whcwcjecjecuecuw6654
@whcwcjecjecuecuw6654 5 ай бұрын
​@@lizelantt the one you have from albanians doesnt count
@adamhutchings4023
@adamhutchings4023 2 жыл бұрын
I looked for a LONG time to find the Corsican song, and finally did. It is called "a paghjella di l'impiccati", and the recording in this video is here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9x0f9GKvt7Dmok.html
@GuadalupePicasso
@GuadalupePicasso 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful!
@user-uw9qe7ew4e
@user-uw9qe7ew4e 9 жыл бұрын
Гениальная музыка!
@штормЗСУ
@штормЗСУ 2 жыл бұрын
Южная Осетия чья ???
@2imnai
@2imnai Жыл бұрын
@@штормЗСУ Вы дурак?
@mariagraziazollo9180
@mariagraziazollo9180 Жыл бұрын
IT'S TRUE Corsicans, Occitans, Basques, Ligurians, Georgians are brothers ❤️
@antoniettadilorenzo9064
@antoniettadilorenzo9064 8 ай бұрын
Tutti i popoli maggiori d'Europa [ LATINI, GERMANICI, SLAVI, E IN MINOR MISURA COME QUANTITÀ, CIOÈ : GRECI. ALBANESI, CELTICI , BASCHI, CORSI] SONO INDOEUROPEI CAUCASICI. QUINDI IMPARENTATI TRA LORO, NON SOLO, MA ANCHE CON I CAUCASICI (GEORGIANI, ARMENI, CIRCASSI). PERCHÉ DA LI' PROVENIAMO! In due ondate , tra il SECONDO ED IL PRIMO MILLENNIO AVANTI CRISTO. CONSULTARE ENCICLOPEDIE , LIBRI DI STORIA, STORIOGRAFIE. BIBLIOTECHE ETC .
@MeomariAlionamde
@MeomariAlionamde 12 жыл бұрын
Sometimes a striking answer comes to many questions - like this video...if you compare, you HEAR, there are a lot of similarities. Iberian People are/were mostly a people of vocal polyphony. Today at different places on earth - still same Spirit!
@razdoburdina
@razdoburdina 7 жыл бұрын
Génial Bravi!!
@georgearveladze978
@georgearveladze978 10 жыл бұрын
საოცრებაა...
@dume
@dume Жыл бұрын
A paghjela di l impiccati di u Niolu Corsican people and children had been hanged by French army at the city's gate because they wanted to set the Corsica free again. Not the best song to show similarities but we manage to see how we are close to our Georgian brothers.
@user-gl1gb6zv9u
@user-gl1gb6zv9u 11 жыл бұрын
Georgians and Corsicans we Iberians
@Vollih
@Vollih 11 жыл бұрын
Einfach nur geil diese Musik echt toll
@user-ri9bf8lf9l
@user-ri9bf8lf9l 3 жыл бұрын
Дуже сподобалось. +++++++++++
@GeoTaoKlarjetMoschoi
@GeoTaoKlarjetMoschoi 5 жыл бұрын
great video ;)
@Linkdu90
@Linkdu90 3 жыл бұрын
quand un peuple ce préserve de l'envahition culturel mondialiste il y a de nombreuse similitude qui vienne de la tradition primordiale
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 12 жыл бұрын
@kavkasia, During last 20 years, I had met parquet-floor geologists, surveyors, engineers, even parquet floor politicians. But parquet-floor musician I have met for the first time.
@happyday6618
@happyday6618 Жыл бұрын
Can anyone write the meaning of corsician song text?
@targamos5822
@targamos5822 7 жыл бұрын
bravo
@nenusia123
@nenusia123 11 жыл бұрын
omg, huge similarity...........♥
@kerati1959
@kerati1959 8 жыл бұрын
ჩვენია დალოცვილი :DDDD
@roman-z-chantosik9067
@roman-z-chantosik9067 10 жыл бұрын
bardzo mocne
@EpicPlayer3
@EpicPlayer3 11 жыл бұрын
it's great, where can i find more music like the first piece??
@michaacdc
@michaacdc 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty similar to our traditional singing in Republic of Srpska.Singing style named Krajiska pjesma na suvo
@imedaberianidze9678
@imedaberianidze9678 3 жыл бұрын
zdravo pozdravim iz georgii
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 11 жыл бұрын
The ensemble that performs the first piece is Shavnabada. The rest of their songs are pretty much in the same style as this piece, though let me know if you meant it in a broader sense.
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 12 жыл бұрын
@kavkasia Linguists? I know some excellent professors, that do, however truly you are right, that there is not enough concrete evidence. However a very important trait of Basque and Georgian similarity is similarity of grammar in these two languages and I mean not only the ergative constructions...
@SvedskiKuvar
@SvedskiKuvar 11 жыл бұрын
It is also similar to Croatian "ganga" singing, and Serbian "ojkača" singing.
@POWERGeorgian
@POWERGeorgian 11 жыл бұрын
It is proved that Corsicans and Sardinians both have common roots in Caucasus
@thierrylaugier3245
@thierrylaugier3245 3 жыл бұрын
yes ! And Basques too ! Portuguese have close ties with Ossetians, for they are descendants from Alanians, who came from actual Ossetia. It is surprising to see that Portuguese people are frequently mistaken with Georgian ot Armenian. People from Algarve or Alentejo are totally identical with those people (the "Armenoid nose" is frequently seen among those people) and have developped their own polyphonical singing tradition,very close with Georgia or Euzkadi
@Gabpt
@Gabpt 3 жыл бұрын
@@thierrylaugier3245 Yes Cante Alentejano is very similar to these songs but the people from the south of Portugal don’t differ that much from the north ( maybe a little less Celtic) and they don’t look very Armenian or Georgian they just look Mediterraneans Europeans
@mihanosmihanos603
@mihanosmihanos603 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gabpt and who told you that Georgians and Armenians look the same , dude ? In Georgia blonde hair and blue eyes is much , much more common then in Armenia . And it comes from a Russian person . I'd say most Georgians are ligh haired and eyed , but of course about 20% of them looks tan and simmilar to pontic Greeks . While Armenians are tan , and armenoid race about 90%
@rare9931
@rare9931 2 жыл бұрын
@@mihanosmihanos603 yeah armenians look more middle Eastern
@mihanosmihanos603
@mihanosmihanos603 2 жыл бұрын
@@rare9931 you armenian ?
@radix288
@radix288 11 жыл бұрын
What about the Aromanians from Balan peninsula (the old Trakians)?
@chempanillo
@chempanillo 12 жыл бұрын
Catalonian language, as we call it today, before roman empire? I don't know what kind of sources you have, but you should check them...
@nickburningham5143
@nickburningham5143 9 жыл бұрын
In this sample the Corsican polyphony sounds similar to Slavic/Orthodox chant while the Georgian polyphony is more contrapuntal and unique
@zurabtsirekidze2223
@zurabtsirekidze2223 8 жыл бұрын
+Nick Burningham - i would not agree with you. it sounds pretty much like Georgian folk song
@tamarkhoshtaria1300
@tamarkhoshtaria1300 7 жыл бұрын
From my point of view Corsican songs are very similar to Georgian, especially West-Georgian. Words also.
@zurabtsirekidze2223
@zurabtsirekidze2223 7 жыл бұрын
Some may not agree about words, but that style of singing, is very much like Georgian folk singing.
@matts1451
@matts1451 6 жыл бұрын
Slavic churches adopted some western scales in the baso profondo traditon with byzantine and baroque influence. This chant in corsica is a result of rennisnace chant and trallarelo singing from genoa. The chant in georgia was pre christian and muslim and was a part of the pre christian religion of the area.
@caterinagoderdzishvili546
@caterinagoderdzishvili546 5 жыл бұрын
Tamar Khoshtaria ჩემი აზრით, ორივე- როგორც დასავლეთ ასევე აღმოსავლეთ საქართველის სიმღერებთან არის საოცარი მსგავსება❤❤
@visu43
@visu43 9 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the second song and who sings it? I find it magnificently haunting.
@visu43
@visu43 8 жыл бұрын
+Dragan Vrdoljak Thank you very much.
@draganvrdoljak5212
@draganvrdoljak5212 8 жыл бұрын
visu43 your welcome dude
@adamhutchings4023
@adamhutchings4023 2 жыл бұрын
Did a comment get deleted? I've been trying to find the second song as well but haven't been able to find it and it looks like something got deleted here.
@thebeastofbrayroad9382
@thebeastofbrayroad9382 2 жыл бұрын
@@adamhutchings4023 A Filetta '' a paghjella di l'impiccati * '' song of the hanged * '' the song is about an episode in the colonization of Corsica by the French ! in 1774 the French colonists hanged 11 rebel Corsicans , one of whom was only 14 years old '' kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h9Z0l8mo2NKrmWQ.html
@christianriddler5063
@christianriddler5063 Жыл бұрын
@@adamhutchings4023 Yeah something got deleted, can't see it either.
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 12 жыл бұрын
@kavkasia, Hypotheses with some generality, which survived initial testing, become well established theories or "paradigms". They are immune to rejection even if subsequent testing may find evidences against them. A few negative results are used to refine the paradigm to make it continue to fit all available evidence. It is only when the negative evidence becomes overwhelming that the paradigm is rejected and replaced by a new one. So, go and change you 20 years old prejudices.
@tommirautiainen8629
@tommirautiainen8629 10 жыл бұрын
Humble thanks to You for this, but I am sorry I cant understand Georgian; so If its not imbosible; how can I learn of it?
@geoffreyharris6453
@geoffreyharris6453 5 жыл бұрын
Am Irish and Scottish mostly in music but also in heart and Jewish in thought and perception.
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 11 жыл бұрын
Welcome :D
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 12 жыл бұрын
@kavkasia, If your study of "melodic structure of the ornaments and the protocol for part movement" fails, you should change the theory.
@panibabcia7732
@panibabcia7732 Жыл бұрын
💜
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 12 жыл бұрын
Why is it, names of villages, places, hills, rivers, etc., in many places of West Iberia (Spain, France) sound like Georgian (East Iberian) names? And not only sound, but can be found in Georgian language. Like Mount Archanda near Bilbao. Pardon, you may say:"Well, based on some approach to ornamental combination of letters, they may look similar, but if one reads it from the point of view of my 20 years old persisting experience in linguistics, they may not".
@Nn1k_kkaaa
@Nn1k_kkaaa Жыл бұрын
Basques=Kartvelian(Iberian)🇬🇪💋❤️
@cotneabuladze5169
@cotneabuladze5169 6 жыл бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 13 жыл бұрын
@cccpninakias Minoan roots come from Pelasgians. Pelasgians themselves are close to Ibero-Caucasian people.
@jakubisek
@jakubisek 11 жыл бұрын
As is well observable, music spreads, travels accross linguistic boundaries, or, on the contrary, remains the same in spite of language change. In principle, various kinds of isotonic polyphony must have existed all over southern Europe (one monk of mediaeval Italy mentiones folk songs with intervals of seconds and the like "Like the howling of wolves" - and then listen to southern Albanian, especially Lab, polyphony, for example) So when polyphony appeared in church singing, it wasn't new...
@EXBG
@EXBG 12 жыл бұрын
Yes, i have a film about this disk. And Georgian scientist read this, This is old Iberian which one is very close with Georgian language and linguistic and second dick found in Georgia Kakheti with same manuscripts. This is grace about there mother god.
@POWERGeorgian
@POWERGeorgian 11 жыл бұрын
there is 450 words similiar in Georgian and Basque languages. Basques and Georgians both were Iberians in Ancient times.(Spanish Iberia and Caucasian Iberia). But Georgians are definately Ibero-Caucasian peoples speaking in Ibero-Caucasian language.
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 11 жыл бұрын
euxaristo, o Theos na evlogi tous Ellines.
@EXBG
@EXBG 11 жыл бұрын
We are one nation with Basques and Sicilians part of great Iberian civilization which one was before Romanian and Greek Era. Today
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 11 жыл бұрын
I see your point. I would add Romanian music to your list, the Serbian Goran Bregovich being the crown of what is generally called Balkan music.
@kavkasia
@kavkasia 12 жыл бұрын
@sergocusiani I don't have "bananas" in my ears, and I know what I'm talking about. Neither of us can prove that there's a link, or that there isn't. I've studied Georgian ornament extensively for more than 20 years and I know how it works. I've also studied Corsican, and yes, there are similarirites - but there are also key differences, like the melodic structure of the ornaments and the protocol for part movement.
@eurooscar1
@eurooscar1 4 жыл бұрын
The corsican music begins at +- 3min 30sec.
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 12 жыл бұрын
@kavkasia, SERIOUS MUSICOLOGISTS. I remember, one of them was truing to persuade the audience as if blues and rock&roll music "deserve no credit to be played on piano".
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 12 жыл бұрын
ქართული თუ იცით, ინგლისურად ნუ წერთ. სირცხვილია.
@nickweiserfolz
@nickweiserfolz 5 жыл бұрын
Wonderful music, the corsian and the georgian as well. Very old, very deep minded, fantastic! But, my dear Georgians: No one except You Yourselves can read the comments in Your language with these Your own special letters. They look very beautiful, for my eyes at least. Much more beautiful than latin or kyrillic letters. But I am not able to read anything. I suppose that this happens to everybody, who is not Georgian. I know, if I could read it, it would not mean I could understand anything. But by using Your letters outside Georgia You do not make it easier for the others to find a way to Your language. Which does not only look beautiful in letters, but also sounds very melodic for my german ears.
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 5 жыл бұрын
好!那我们会讲中文吧!
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 5 жыл бұрын
Danke sehr fur deinen Kommentar! Ich denke heutige Zeit sagt uns dass wir allen verschiedene Sprachen kennenlernen mussen. Es ist etwas sehr wichtiges fur uns, den Georgier, dass wir konnen mit einander auf Georgisch sprechen. Nochmal, ich danke dir fur deinen Kommentar!
@nickweiserfolz
@nickweiserfolz 5 жыл бұрын
@@AyeOldSponge Oh yes, that´s just the same how georgian letters look to me. A nice joke of Yours.
@nickweiserfolz
@nickweiserfolz 5 жыл бұрын
@@AyeOldSponge Wie hast Du denn gemerkt, daß ich Deutscher bin? Und warum kannst Du so gut deutsch schreiben? Großes Lob! Ich kann nur deutsch, etwas französisch und gut englisch.
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 5 жыл бұрын
​@@nickweiserfolz hhh in Wirklichkeit mein Deutsch ist nicht etwas besonders. Aber ich hab in Oesterreich meine Schulzeit verbracht und deswegen ich kann ein bischen sprechen!
@SvedskiKuvar
@SvedskiKuvar 12 жыл бұрын
Find "ojkača", "ojkavica", "orzanje". It is music of Balkan. It is very similar to music of Georgia and Corsica.
@alanfordtntful
@alanfordtntful 11 жыл бұрын
Pavle Aksentijević
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 12 жыл бұрын
@kavkasia, your 20 years old experience in existent study of Georgian ornamental music is accumulated from to 1 year of cramming multiplied by 20. Georgian and Corsican songs in present performance has passed thousands of years of isolation and independent development. Nevertheless, even your book worm suggestions go broke. Roots of Iberian culture goes back to 8000 years. What are 20 years of mistaken experience compared to that?
@ninebreaker21
@ninebreaker21 11 жыл бұрын
I hear structural similarity to 12th century French polyphonic organum.
@sergocusiani
@sergocusiani 12 жыл бұрын
@kavkasia, you must have had bananas in your years when listening to these songs. Or like armenians you are so much accustomed to unisonic songs that you refer to polyphony with animosity.
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 12 жыл бұрын
@kavkasia Truly apple and orange are similar. For both apple and orange were created by God.
@jakubisek
@jakubisek 11 жыл бұрын
I wrote "when polyphony appeared in church, it wasn't new" suggesting that it existed in Europe (as folk tradition) long before it penetrated into the Christian Church music. (An early mediaeval treatise mentions "weird" polyphony among Italian folks) Greece has polyphonic folk music (Epiros), so do Bulgarians, Albanians. Macedonians. Corsicans, Georgians. All of those have no roots in Church music, but surely pre-date it. Modal chant came from Middle East together with the new religion.
@whcwcjecjecuecuw6654
@whcwcjecjecuecuw6654 5 ай бұрын
Greeks dont really count because theirs is from albanians
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 13 жыл бұрын
@cccpninakias the whole thing is that they found a phaistos disk that had some unknown symbols on it. One Georgian scholar read it with old Georgian script, Asomtavruli I guess. The disc belongs to Minoyans. Make conclusions...If a Minoyan disk had Georgian scripts than most probably these two were linked. And it is very possible that Minoyans and Georgians had similar alphabets just like albanian caucasians and Georgians in Caucasus
@DavidJashi
@DavidJashi Жыл бұрын
Well... Georgian here with some background of graphological research of origins of Asomtavruli. 70% of our first alphabet was copied graphically (but not phonetically) from Ethiopian Geez syllabic alphabet. Exactly the same way as Mesrop Mashtoc did for Armenian, and that's why they are still going on about him "inventing" both. He didn't invent anything, just copied Geez glyphs and randomly assigned Armenian sounds to them. Some Georgian Monophysite (heretic, that's why most of the references about him were destroyed after Nicea, I guess) scholar did the same, just adding some letters from Greek. So, chances are, Asomtavruli-looking glyphs on that disc might be Geez, as it is clearly more ancient than ours.
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge Жыл бұрын
@@DavidJashi May I inquire the source of the research? I visited Ethiopia recently and was surprised to find that Ethiopians can pronounce the ჭ and წ sounds. While the country is ancient, I believe its alphabet is also derived from Semitic Scripts. Georgian Alphabet's earliest inscriptions date anywhere from 400 to 500 AD especailly in Jerusalem , which is certainly not the date of its invention. We have evidence of Georgian scripture which dates to Grakliani hills (BC), which not necessarily is linked to Asomtavruli, but can likely be linked to it. Thus I doubt Georgian alphabet should derive from Ethiopian especially from a monophysite heretic, considering that heresy of monophysitism was declared only during the Council of Chalcedon in 451. In this way, while certainly Georgian may derive and have borrowings from ornaments of middle eastern Semitic alphabets, I believe it should be a result of inspiration, rather than direct copying from Ethiopian alphabet. But then yes, the disc is unclear so far and existent theories are rather hypotheses, than established truths...
@DavidJashi
@DavidJashi Жыл бұрын
@@AyeOldSponge KZfaq keeps deleting my replys, so I guess I will write "Olderogge" ("Ольдерогге, Дмитрий Алексеевич")
@drenicakastrati8091
@drenicakastrati8091 10 жыл бұрын
nice i like old pholyponic stiles-. , here u have ancient illyrian/albanian polyphony tradition. Thelleza qe shkel mbi vese Hysni Niko Zela & the Albanian Iso-Polyphonic Choir live Vajza e Valave-Këngë Labe nga Himara
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 11 жыл бұрын
officially Thracians are considered indoeuropeans, yet their age, links with Dacians and pelasgians point to a non-indoeuropean origin. :/
@EXBG
@EXBG 12 жыл бұрын
This was little part of huge Iberian civilization and manuscript which one was found on Krete proved this. Sp we can say that Indo-Europeans from central Asia came in North Europe and than settled on Iberian territories, South Europe. But Iberian culture is here and we haven't disappeared.
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 11 жыл бұрын
you would mind to type their name in Georgian as well "შავნაბადა"
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 12 жыл бұрын
და კინო თუ გაქვს ფესტოსის დისკზე ლინკი თუა რამე ვერ მეტყვი? იმიტომ რომ ძალიან მინდა მეტი გავიგო მაგასთან დაკავშირებით.
@guriba100
@guriba100 6 жыл бұрын
გია კვაშილავა აკრიფე იუთუბზე, იქ არის ფესტოსის დისკზე, თუ გაინტერესებთ
@guriba100
@guriba100 6 жыл бұрын
ეს არის უკრაინელი მეცნიერის არტემ ივანცოვის ვიდეო ქართული და ქართველური ენების შესახებ ყველაფერი. უდიდესი შრომა გაწია ამ ადამიანმა საქარველოს და ქართული ენის პოპულარიზაციისათვის, საინტერესოა, სამ ენაზე აქვს გაკეთებული, ჩვენ ქართველებს კი გვძინავს kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7OGhtqny83FmGQ.html
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 11 жыл бұрын
ne re thats the point, i'd recommend not to consult with wikipedia.
@isabs8616
@isabs8616 6 жыл бұрын
who are the singers please ?
@sandrobakhtadze3939
@sandrobakhtadze3939 4 жыл бұрын
isabs band Shavnabada.
@EXBG
@EXBG 12 жыл бұрын
Georgians Corssicans Basques Catalonials Siciilians are one People we are IBERIANS.
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 13 жыл бұрын
@cccpninakias :D
@kavkasia
@kavkasia 12 жыл бұрын
@sergocusiani Ask a serious musician or musicologist about this phrase which seems so useless to you: "structure..." and see which "humans" don't care. It's clear to me that you're only interested in your opinion, and not in reality. I'll kindly leave this forum and leave you to your preferences, as I don't really believe in using insults as a way of communication.
@EXBG
@EXBG 12 жыл бұрын
I'm about Georgian language. Iberian language are much older than any other European languages.
@stevanvuletin8306
@stevanvuletin8306 6 жыл бұрын
Exchange93 How you know? Evry nation say same !
@AehronKataeb
@AehronKataeb 4 жыл бұрын
@@stevanvuletin8306 because iberian languages are much closer to a common ancestor than later indo-european languages
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 12 жыл бұрын
@kavkasia Listen to Corsican singing, then.. SAme thing
@AyeOldSponge
@AyeOldSponge 11 жыл бұрын
ti thelis Kirie? If you have something to say lay your arguments.
@averagekartvelian122
@averagekartvelian122 4 жыл бұрын
ეს რა მადლიანი გალობაა, ბიძაშვილები გვყოლია ყურის ძირში, ჩვენ კიდე კორსიკის ავლით პარიზში ჩავდივართ?!
@lashachilashvili6558
@lashachilashvili6558 5 ай бұрын
სიცილიელებიც კრეტა ძველი მთელი ესპანეთი ილირია თურქეთი კავკასია ქართველებით იყო დასახლებული
@NICK-ny2dg
@NICK-ny2dg 3 жыл бұрын
very ice but Georgian is still different from corsician. similarities like this is everywhere in every culture because we all are human :D. show me something like "krimanchuli"
@DavidJashi
@DavidJashi Жыл бұрын
OK, let's not drag Guria into this, as we are clearly not local and God knows where we came from. Partly from Samtskhe, partly from Laz country, like my forefathers, some from Greece (Kandelaki, Galogre) and, as a cherry on top, Glonti's, who immigrated from Italy for some inexplicable reason. This video shows similarities with Iberians, not Kolkhis.
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