Would be more interested in joining a patreon if you weren't so anti-german just for the sake of being anti german. Because as we all know, every single german was bad/evil right? This show isn't trying to show them as the "good guys" as it is to show there are multiple levels of good and bad throughout the german army. They weren't all evil.

@@teru797 I think the whole thing should be watched in order to make a reasonable judgement not just a compilation of a couple of scenes.

What an idiot it whenever, whenever the Americans are portrayed as good soldiers. Germans couldn't decide whether they would go to war or not! they deserve the same respect as the Americans and co.

If I remember correctly, the Soviet with the pistol is a commisar and after being interogated the lt is ordered to take him to the woods and shoot him. Which he does

Big oof

Order can be lost in the chaos of battle, not everything goes by the book. Things like shell shock, gas attacks, low morale, incompetent officers, can all lead to organisation and order breaking down and men just be fighting for their own lives.

Well said

When the battle starts there is no plan anymore

I dunno, HL did Interviews with a sh*** Ton of WWII Vets

@@ottersirotten4290 that has nothing to do with experience. I tell my sister plenty of stories, she’ll never know the little things or actual lifestyle.

What do you expect for someone who didn't even watch the movie. He literally just pulled the battle scene that is on youtube and commented on that.

In his mind he thinks Russia was the good guys clearly both sides was bad good men are forced to do terrible things for their country

You cant expect youtube reviewers to see the whole thing they are reviewing

They didnt send civilians, they were partisans. The german considered them like volunteering soldiers basically

@@BigJo95 yes….they’re too busy making the videos to monetise the content to actually watch what they are reviewing.

@Тепляха Don't even start to suggest that the russians behaved any better.

@Тепляха You're full of shit. If all Germans were genociding Nazis, all Russians were murdering Bolshewiks. All sides committed atrocities yet the vast majority of combatants got drafted and fought because they had to, not out of some ideological conviction. Suggesting anything different is ignorant.

@Тепляха so you’re willing to say that most Russians were anti communist but in the same breath say all Germans wanted to eradicate Slavs. Do you really not see the hypocrisy in your statement?

He is not wrong however, it's very reckless for an officer to charge in first (and doesn't really do much for the situation). Being a rather fresh 2LT myself, you learn relatively quickly that it's not your job to be at the very front and get into contact with the enemy directly. Quite the opposite, you're supposed to direct the entire platoon, which necessitates that you stand (at least a little) further back, where you have an easier time grasping the bigger picture and adapt to the situation as it changes in the heat of battle. The platoon leader practically never fires his weapon - his main weapon is his radio, and, by extension, his men. Plus the obvious fact that once the platoon leader dies, there's a serious hole in the leadership. Then again, all this is "by the book". I'm sure that in battle, such things can happen. Still doesn't make it a good idea for an officer to charge in first. But then there's also doctrine of course, which might have been different in the Wehrmacht. Personally, I still find it's a sensible principle not to expose an element leader to the most danger. Same way I don't want my squad leaders to be the first to enter a room when clearing a building.

@@Myuutsuu85 why would they behave badly on their own land?

I agree

Well, actually it portraits German soldiers like normal human beings, rather than fanatic evil nazi robots (like it happens in almost any WW2 movie). Maybe he meant this "humanization" of the characters as "good guys"...

@@francescoguzzetta it’s a fine line and very much discussed in Germany but it is necessary. A masterpiece is ‚the downfall‘ where for the first time the attempt was made to show a ‚human‘ side of Hitler. I think the actor Bruno Ganz deserved an Oscar for his almost impossible performance. Germany was finally ready for this new approach and people understood that it was necessary to keep the memory of fascism alive and not let it drift into the legend of ‚the evil that once happened‘. Fascism never shows it’s ugly face at the beginning as we can see again today …

It's a bit more than that. The series was trying to draw a sharp dividing line between ordinary Germans (including the Wehrmacht) and the Nazi institutions such as the Waffen SS. Here in this scene, Wehrmacht soldiers are honourable to a fault, and when Winter has to kill the Commissar later, it's clearly something that was imposed on the men by the "Nazis". People take issue with this series because the idea that the Wehrmacht wasn't involved extensively with Nazi ideology and atrocities in Eastern Europe is a myth that should have died in the 70s.

When it comes to fascism vs communism the fascists are the good guys.

@Тепляха and this is bad or what?

Thanks Konstantin, I would even go a step further. The series depicts these young people as both victims and perpetrators of WW2. The simplification into "good" or "bad" doesn't work. And that is the real quality of the modern German perspective on the war and also our (I am German) historical 'curse'; because these people are our mothers and fathers! If we want or not we have to relate to them in order to live with this part of our history. The series is also called "Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter", translated "Our mothers, our fathers" which says it all.

In this show they show two sides of the German army

@Тепляха racist army. Ye sure russians were a army of archangels ya faddas suord boi

@Тепляха yeah they instead wanted to enslave all of eastern Europe

Yeah you can see the LMG right behind Wilhelm

Still doesnt explain why they didnt deploy it to provide surpressive fire.

@@ornis1895 this was supposed to be a mop up of stragglers hiding in the factory. the MG is usefull in more open terrain but its more hindered in the rubble, urban terrain. it limits its deployability, not to mention on a bipod you wont be able to aim high enough if you encounter forces on a higher ground level. in a defence the MG is perfect in such a scenario, as the russian show. but in an offense it severly looses its value. you saw how high up the enemy was. to be able to aim that high with bipod deployed youll need to use cover thats tall, which will expose you more easily to any other potenial enenmies. Rifle section with an MP40 to give cover is the right choice here

@@tramlink8544 yep and to find favorable positioning of the MG will be hard even if you plant the MG on something it'll never be stable compared to being planted on the streets and such.

don't blame him hes using one eye (:

Beautifully worded post! I couldn't agree more with what you said, as an American this series really hit home with me, the character Friedhelm in particular was so tragic but I thought in the end when he self-sacrifices himself, it might've been a way to amend the terrible wrongs he had committed during the war. He felt that he couldn't live himself and that the only way to reconcile his sins was to pay....with his own life. American war films don't portray this kind of gritty realism of war that Unsere Mütter Unsere Väter shows, which is a shame because oftentimes I feel many people in my country like to glorify war as patriotic and courageous.

Indeed man, it shows the horror of the war what it will do with you and its absolutly not a movie that says "GO GERMANY RUSSIANS BAD"every side has their bad sides but the victors get away with it

What I was thinking

Of course it does...it doesn't have the main characters shooting woman "partisans" in Poland, nor does it have them participate at all in the holocaust, or genocide of Russian soldiers. It basically has them act honorably in combat, notice a few "weird" things going on around them, and then get broken by losing the war, not by war itself. Representing 10 million soldiers is complicated because we now know these soldiers were shielding some of the worst behaviors of human history, they didn't necessarily know this until late in the war, and then they had the choice of death in battle or starvation in a camp. But the consequences of their actions were some of the worst abuses in history of humanity, whether they knew it or not.

@@orclover2353 Have you seen all of it?

@@gillesdupouy8357 It's not surprising for someone who didnn't even watch the movie. He literally just pulled the battle scene that is on youtube and commented on that.

@@orclover2353 you didn’t watch the full movie clearly lol they had civilians walking through a minefield and portrayed a few other war crimes

Maybe because that's what they were

@@abrahamgn3614retard

@@abrahamgn3614 your kind of ignorance is a disease...

Irai???? 😂😂😂😂😂​@@abrahamgn3614

Or he could just have looked at the German zehn Gebote für die Kriegsführung des deutschen Soldaten

source?

@@gabrielegenota1480 Wehrmacht military doctrine?

Well the unified German state only has two well-known wars one of which was unjustly blamed solely on them simply because they were becoming a threat to British and French supremacy and they needed a way to kill it in the cradle so to speak, and the other in which they were pretty much unquestionably the bad guy even if the Soviets were not exactly paragons themselves though as far as I understand it Germans are taught collective guilt and that their defeat was justice and they got what they deserved so I am uncertain as to the level of knowledge the average German has on the extent of Soviet brutality against their ancestors, so it is unsurprising that German war films do not generally take a patriotic bent.

I completely agree with you. As an American, I grow increasingly annoyed and even disturbed by the glorification of our military and how war movies made in the U.S. are made to symbolize the soldiers' fight as one fought with glory, valor, patriotism, and courage. It's all BS in my opinion, American war movies (with a few exceptions) don't do a very good job of portraying just how senseless and destructive war is like German films do. Americans also, with the exception of the Civil War, have never really experienced war on their front doorsteps. In WW2, our country's role was critical, but relatively small and insignificant compared to Germany and the USSR; our cities were never bombed, we were never violently expelled from our homes, our towns weren't burned etc. In WW2, the US suffered roughly 450,000 military deaths, in Germany roughly 4,000,000-5,000,000 soldiers lost their lives. In these respects, Germany's view of war is different but also I believe more justified because your country's media is able to portray the madness and futility of violent conflicts without excessive glorification and patriotism.

@@greenlime1997 The U.S. should abolish its army and embrace pacifism.

@@codieomeallain6635 ALL nations should embrace pacifism. The calamity of WW2 should be a lesson for humanity.

@@greenlime1997 Wow. I was being sarcastic, I did not think that anyone could actually seriously consider global pacifism anywhere near close enough to reality to even bother wishing for it. Even if everyone agreed to peace, and by some miracle all destroyed every weapon they had without keeping any I would give it five years before another war started.

I only refer to this scene

@@historylegends and this scene doesnt show anything good or bad about the germans , it shows things that every army would have done the same way

@@historylegends still bro, if you look at the following scene. That political officer that was spared, he was later executed by the same lieutenant who captured him. So no... they are not portraying them as good guys

Maybe watch the entire movie to completely understand. The differences between a regular Wehrmacht soldier and officer to an SS party officer who shot a child and ordered a soldier kill. This whole movie portrays the Germans bot as the good guys cuz in war there's no such thing as a good guy. Your gonna be a bad guy to the people your attacking. Considering the SS political party has great influence and no one will go against them. If you've lived in Germany or Japan or wherever yeah try going up against an government during war happening, you'll get your head blown off or family killed

@@koreancowboy42 Wehrmacht were just as barbaric as the SS

100%. I’m aware of that. I interviewed hundreds of veterans, and I’ve heard the craziest stories. I understand what you mean.

@@historylegends no you obviously knows nothing about this one, if youtube shows the dislike buttons, it should me more than the like

@@absolutfreeman1033 its actually about 3/1 on likes to dislikes. likes being the 3, but i agree

@@historylegends bro you got trolled on bye the comments

@@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer no

Incredible that you noticed this small detail. Big respect

This is from around Kursk in 43. But the point still stands, since the 85 was not yet produced or at least sent to the front.

@@bernupieters6777 Operation Barbarossa was over in December 41.

an error noticed even less in that scene is that Wilhelms rifle in the truck scenes has a welded barrel band instead of the machined one, which indicates the rifles from 1944 onwards

@@geirholte1222 incorrect this scene is from Barbarossa in 1941

noooooo they were all evil hitler nazis who all personally wanted to mass murder! #black lives matter!

This is so sad in my eyes… Every country committed warcrimes. But no one talks Abt them because they won… Because Germany lost they pointed them out way more and did hide their own. The winner writes the history( or something like that) But nevertheless Germans did really bad stuff.

@@lkofdoom SS did the majority of bad such as the death camps, Wehrmacht committed many of the crimes we would see common from other nations

@@adibar9066 u American?😂 That’s exactly what I ment. U completely missed everything I said. U try to put the stuff the allies did in a better light. And that’s exactly what I was trying to say. U mentioned 2 example of American movies that are showing their wrong actions but how many Movies are there that show Germany in a bad light… U try so hard to make the Germans more evil and hide the war crimes the allies did beneath the cruelty’s of the axis. My Englisch doesn’t reach so far that I can explain it to you with proper arguments so it’s show what I mean… The allies e.g did massive bomb raids over German city’s with popular sight to kill thousands of people and destroy the famous sights there just to demoralise the Germans. Look at Dresden or Hamburg… Like I said, I could explain way better if I didn’t have to talk English

@@adibar9066 What LKofDoom is saying makes totally sense. The winner does write the history. Almost every movie the germans only exist of "bad guys" and the allies only of "good guys". While majority of the Wehrmacht soldiers were normal soldiers serving their country. Ofcourse Germany commited awfull crimes, but a lot of them had nothing to do with "war". So you think thousands of tons of bombs on civilian cities, who a lot of them had little tactical military targets, aren't morally questionable? You say these cities were legitimate targets cause of a dockyard and last of the industrial complexes.. They wiped the ancient centers of the cities with carefully examined methods to totally destroy it. Half the livingspace of Hamburg was gone and you talk about a dockyard😂. This is exactly what LKofDoom is thinking I guess, people are so 'brainwashed' by the propagand of the winners that they perfectly legitimize this kind of needless destruction(war crimes). So 20K at Dresden and more than double in Hamburg you wave it off with, oh the humanity?!😂😂 That says enough... You don't hide the war crimes but you do downplay it with these kind of remarks. And btw Bomber Harris was a retard. He thought he could end the war with the bombings which clearly wasn't true.

@@adibar9066 😂 Writing history isn't about the memoirs of couple of generals. It's about the conclusions and decisions made after and about the war and what has been taught to the majority of the people. Yes I know USA sucked up to the leftovers of Germany to help against the communism (the coldwar turned out great btw..😂) But exactly what you said about the Hollywood cirlcejerk is what a lot of people dislike and has an influence on public opinion(part of history writing). And yet here you are downplaying the role of the allies, which is part of what people dislike and part of the issue people are adressing. And also calling it "rightfully"..😂 Thats part of being biased. It has nothing to do with comparing, if somebody kills 1 people and the other 10 doesn't make the person with 1 less of a killer. Then you say both the crimes of either side or horrible, so we agree on that, so there is in fact nothing to downplay. First of all, the bombings are part of the warcrimes but if we talk moviewise it's about portrayal of the "almighty american" against the "germans from hell". Ofcourse not all movies and series but 90% of them are. Thats the whole point of it. For example, Stephen E Ambrose talked about the D-day landings as if the world depended on these Americans in a all or nothing battle of the world would be Germanspeaking for ever or not. While the Germans were pushed back on every theatre for like 2 years. The americans think they beat the Germans by themselves while Germany already lost major territory at the battle of Moskow even before USA was officially in the war. You're right about the bombingcampaing mostly fueled by revanchism. But that and the way they bombed Hamburg and Dresden doesn't makes it a legitimate military target. The bombing from allied cities weren't military targets neither. You contradict yourself a bit with the statements you make about these. And does the propaganda acknowledges that? The thing with Curtis Lemay is exactly what writing history is about. The winner decides, they win so he's a "hero", they lose he'd be executed in a trial. Indeed Harris said it was never been tried so he kept on going hardheaded. And they stopped after Dresden so indeed a couple of commanders thought it was over the line. And the things you credit to it also happens with precisionbombing. Bombing on itself isn't a warcrime, carpertbombing non military targets is. About the downplaying, I can say I don't do it either.. 😂 I didn't say anything which indicates downplaying the role and crimes of Germany. I didn't compare it to eachother, one of my points is that you downplay the allies crimes cause you do compare them. While you're comparing them and downplaying you even say "Most of which was in Japan anyways"..😂 That the actual representation of the numbers you give isn't there has nothing to do with the original point, it's about most of the representations that are there. Also, you started about all the bombings and statistics. Like LKofDoom said, you miss a lot of things people say and just give your own spin to it.

Ob ein Gefechtsstand direkt die Front ist... Und jemand im Range des Leutnant bis Major musste an der Front kämpfen, erst am Oberstleutnant kann man zum Battalionskommamdeur aufsteigen und somit seinen arsch in den Gefechtsstand verkriechen.

In seltenen Fällen gab es natürlich auch mal einen Major als Btl Kommandeur

@@konigludwig6539 Es gab sehr, sehr häufig Bataillonskommandeure im Rang eines Hauptmanns; es gab auch phasen- und Ortsabhängig viele Fälle, wo es Oberlautnants waren (It was very very often the case, that Bataillons were lead by Captains; and even depending place and time, many cases with 1st Lieutenants). Und Generäle wie Model oder Guderian waren als Panzerkorpsführer 41 bei Barbarossa i.d.R. mit einem Funkbefehlspanzer bei der vordersten Spitze oder Rommel und sein "Mammut" (erbeuteter brit. Befehlswagen) in Afrika... Ihre Argumentation fällt durch. Sorry König Ludwig.

@@AnMue2109 Fällt sie nicht, da das Ausnahmen waren und diese Leute dann sehr erfahrene Soldaten waren, ein Unerfahrener wäre niemals Battalionskommamdeur etc geworden.

@@konigludwig6539 Sagt ja auch niemand dass das die Regel war; aber es war, aufgrund der massiven Verluste, eben vor allem an Offizieren aller Ränge, halt auch keine Seltenheit; spätestens ab Herbst 1941 nicht mehr. Ist halt einfach Fakt und kann anhand der Verlustlisten und des Bestands an Reserveoffizieren in der Heimat und anhand der "Kriegsverwendungsfähigschreibungen" alter 1. Weltkriegsoffiziere eindeutig nachgezeichnet werden.

he claims he has such backround knowledge but in truth he doesnt know jack shit about the time capturing this officer and not shoot him out of pure adrenaline rush is exactly showing that the leutnant is an experienced soldier

That movie already exists.

@@RoyalDog214 *more*

Yes, this guy made a lot of mistakes and "problems" that weren't necessary or there at all. Never gonna watch this guy again.😂

No, I understand him. A german squad would advance under cover of a machine gun, that's what he wanted to say

@@olgagaming5544 not in an urban environment where you can't set up an mg without getting shot at. When advancing from trench to trench on the frontline, there would be an mg covering them but it's difficult to set up an offensive mg nest with a good area of effect when there is buildings blocking off most of the area.

@@olgagaming5544 not in an urban environment where you can't set up an mg without getting shot at. When advancing from trench to trench on the frontline, there would be an mg covering them but it's difficult to set up an offensive mg nest with a good area of effect when there is buildings blocking off most of the area.

Someone with a brain, seen this guy on tiktok so many times, most of the time he has 0 clue what he is talking about and is just talking shit

Exactly. This guy made so many mistakes and is so outspoken about "problems" that weren't even there. First time watching this guy and I've seen enough.😂

Ah I never knew that, very interesting! Thanks for the info! You should take over this dude's channel😂, this guy is doing my head in with his nonsense.

Well no

This wasn't really a great video.

What an idiot it whenever, whenever the Americans are portrayed as good soldiers. Germans couldn't decide whether they would go to war or not! they deserve the same respect as the Americans and co.

that's actually amazing, i wonder if purposefully or by accident

Going off on what other people are explaining, leading by example was encouraged by the Germans. It was great for morale but it also cost the Germans a lot of officers, mostly NCO's but lieutenants were almost always promoted from a NCO position as experience is key in their positions. Also, I read a book from Heinrich Gerlach, a German soldier who got taken prisoner at the Battle of Stalingrad, and he describes very vividly how the government apparatus and the propaganda outlets were cheering for what was happening in "the Kettle", because "The officers were bravely fighting alongside the common soldier", while of course in reality they refused to let the 6th Army Group retreat from Stalingread (one of the most experienced group if not the most experienced and thus very valuable) and let them be slaughtered, starved out and burned (and not permitting them to surrender) out of fear for societal backlash and loss of general morale over strategical failures.