always has been

before was, now Is like a war and what matters is your connections

it will continue to be as the number of outstanding CS/IT degrees increase over time

It will calm down. We're going into a major recession and it doesn't look like this will end anytime soon. But like all things, it will recover and the market will open back up again. You just have to focus on making cool apps in your own time and be prepared for when that time comes around again. As sure as the sun will set, it will also rise once again.

@@hakametal that's what I'm focusing on right now. I live in Colombia and it seems like the SWD jobs that require English are still enough and not many applicants. I'm also planning to contribute to OSS, one I'm thinking is fast api, is a python backend framework for making apis, made by a Colombian and is widely used here. I'm gonna start by helping in the translation to spanish and the move up to code contributions

@@yarpenzigrin1893 I did not like or either had a passion for it. Maybe it was because of the company but im happy with the decision I've made :)

@@yarpenzigrin1893 the real question is, who distinguishes between those jobs anymore. I started as plain C/C++ engineer and now im doing whatever is thrown at me. xD

Hey Noel, I'm in a similar situation, just no job yet. Are there any tips you can share to somebody 4 months in the process?

I lost my job as a data scientist. And i would like to do the same. How long did it take you ?

@Noel Vega ME right now! 🙏

Same Louis. You are not alone.

Same here buddy. It's really rough, but I'm not giving up. Finishing my website with Astro now and working on my full-stack project of passion. Hopefully, interviewers will look at me more favorable now :D

yeah, unless you have a very great portfolio with high quality projects as a junior. if you don't have that, it's just pretty much impossible. your ultimate move would be your portfolio. if you don't know what a good portfolio be like, you'll never gonna make it out there.

@@adimardev1550 I can't speak for juniors, but seeing how difficult it is as a senior - I can't imagine how hard it is for juniors!

@@LouisOtto i hope you're not so serious or exagerating. but you're right about juniors.

Having you been applying for tech support roles, like phone based roles where you help dumb white collar office workers with their Outlook/VPN issues?

They will probably open more tech jobs with lower and lower salary until expected salary balances with the other majors.

@@EatMyShortsAU it is exhausting

I am on the same boat

I'm contemplating if i pursue electrical engineering or cs. Should i go with ee or you think that it's gonna get better?

Same here pimp. They keep moving the finish line.

Wow if your a senior level I can only imagine the struggle of junior or intern competing in a larger pool

Hello Au. Any good news since you posted this comment about your job search?

Any update?

Don't stop buddy, keep practicing code everyday. Try building multiple smaller applications and putting them into a portfolio and show recruiters that you are serious. Keep making contributions to your GitHub. Add more stuff to your LinkedIn. You'll get there

Who exactly do I have to blow to get a salary like that?

​@@mikicerise6250Joe biden

Well that shit was a scam to begin with.

@@mikicerise6250 get 6 months with an insurance company that will train you and the use that experience to go with Progressive, Geico or Statefarm and work from home.

Don’t be too disheartened. There are still more tech jobs now than there were 3 months ago. And unemployment in tech in the US was at 1.5% in January down from 1.8% in December. Even the large tech companies that announced layoffs recently still have more employees than they did a year ago

what was the career you left, if you don't mind me asking?

@@georgemartyn5268 Environmental consulting

Think of it this way: virtually every company is now a tech company. Software engineer and data analysis skills are in demand across the board for all sorts of companies, government agencies etc, not just fancy tech companies. It will never not be useful to learn this stuff. Keep going and you'll get that job soon though.

hi Aaron, i've been too curious if i'm gonna be able to stand out from the crowds. if you are a junior, i would love to relate from you. like how much skills you need that made you standout, how good your portfolio is, how well you do in the interviews. it would be a great help.

What were some of the projects you had built?

I don't think the idea of project matters, I think it's more so that I was interested enough in my ideas to design it, then take those designs and build from it as an engineer. Hitting certain roadblocks and overcoming them, which can be a rewarding process as you grow as a developer. Being able to go in depth in that experience was what I feel ultimately won me over with the hiring managers. But to just make sure I answered your question; A social media app and an educational platform app.

@@aaronmendez9284 thank you sir

@@theultimatedoom1627 anytime!

Anyone can write code well enough. Domain knowledge is where job security is at. Example - writing code for databases can be done by anyone. Writing code to control physics based hardware (MRI machine) is done by people with physics degrees. Why? It's easier to teach a physicist programming, than teach a programmer physics.

Im just going to stic with cnstuction/compentarny rather than rott away on desks on projects I don't care about. My time is somewhat important for me.

​@@wantedsavage7776stick with what?

@@SomeUserNameBlahBlah I call bullshit on this. Writing code well is essentially a very deep domain of it's own. Key here is "well" as sadly majority of code that's being produced I can't really call well, yet, in situations where it matters such as your given example a strong CS background is I think more important than the domain logic - when it comes to implementing it I never found difficulty to learn necessary domain logic from experts and turn them into production systems. I don't think MRI control algorithm is more difficult to implement than query optimizer in a DBMS. That said I don't really know that much about MRI machines particulary. Thought I did some work in implementing physics related algorithms (in optics field) and I worked together with dudes who did the research and they provided me with all necessary knowledge and models. I actually tried to teach them to code such that they could implement code (in essence I was just trying to be lazy lol) that I could later integrate as opposed to me needing to implement all the domain logic (to be fair they already can code, as they use python or matlab when they work on models, but they can't produce reliable software). That was futile - and I'm only talking here about the algorithm part - there is whole bigger system side part that has nothing todo with physics and only with software engineering. They have plenty of other things to worry and to think about and they really don't just don't want to spend time thinking about things like memory limits and algorithm efficiency or all the possible edge cases that may happen to the program. Now sure physics graduate can learn to code and can become great engineer but it's just less effective compared to going through CS program, in essence you still will need to learn everything that they learn in CS degrees, it's no better than someone who learned CS degree then learned physics at least for what's necessary for the job.

@@sk-sm9sh You're post was too long. Many scientists don't want to code. The coders for MRI and other physics based products, tend to be scientists turned coders. Not always, but most of the time. CS and programming is not a domain. Knowing how to run a lathe doesn't mean you have the knowledge to design (not build) a rocket.

Welcome to the real world, if you aint grinding, you on the streets

dude same... had job offers for 1-2 steps above (architect, SME, director), and now not even a call back for junior or helpdesk. Really depressing.

Welcome to the real world lol..

Imagine spent years doing that shit instead of studying another cool thing

Also Most of them are probably retired before 40s😂

It's going to have a cascading effect though. As they lower expectations, organizations will expect more for less pay. So now they can hire better skills for lower pay, meaning entry level work will just become more and more unattainable.

Yeah, if FANG people saw the salaries we're asking for they'd send a hit squad after us. But it's the only weapon in our arsenal.

at this point its like a full time job to get a job, sometimes i dont know if im loosing my time

@@cristianjuarez1086 Looking for a new job is a full time job. You gotta put in the effort to not only apply to a few companies DAILY but reach out to a manager, recruiter, or existing employee at the company. Companies have hundreds of applicants and tbh they want every excuse to not look at your resume(so yes, do cover letters). You HAVE to find ways to stick out, especially now. I got hired for my first dev job last month with all this going on, it’s possible.

@TheDopeJackalope sounds really gaslighting, ill do my best i guess

@@cristianjuarez1086 Idk how this is gaslighting, I’m just trying to give you encouragement to apply. Idk what your situation is but I’m just saying that you’re not just competing with self taught devs, cs degrees, masters students and bootcamp devs, you’re competing against experienced devs that lost their jobs. Plain and simple, if you want to get a dev job rn it’s not going to be easy and you’ll need to do more than just hit the apply button and send your resume to 50+ places. And everyone and their mom has some pet project they have that they think will help them stand out. Networking and reaching out to people is key. Take this as you will.

Smart moves

Even here in the states that's still viable. Might not be making as much as a web dev or software engineer overall, but it will in all likelihood be enough to live off of (unless you live in California or New York), especially since there's housing and hotel projects going up all over the place here in the southern states at least. So much so that you can't drive more than a few miles without seeing at least one cleared out plot with a sign stating that a hotel or some housing complex is going to be built there-- or construction equipment. I imagine it's much the same for plumbers and electricians as well. Plus, there's far more security in those jobs than in a field where most work a programmer, engineer, or developer does can and will be automated away in the long run. Either by them or someone else or an AI (given the fact that GPT-4 can apparently edit its own source code now, or so the rumor mill goes). At least in the case of those who aren't super skilled or creative--which is more people than one might think. Hell, I'm probably one of them if my current progress into IT is any indication, and I've already got my associates degree. So yeah. Overall while I'm still going to at least attempt to get a job in tech, I may end up doing what my father did and go into construction. Because unlike most jobs, until we get machines that can do it better and cheaper anyway, manual labor (skilled or not) isn't going anywhere. Also, security jobs might be worth looking into. They've got really flexible schedules from what I've seen, and you aren't expected to put your life on the line in the rare case there is some armed trespasser. They also put you through training. Something that not a lot of tech companies do currently from what I've seen. Granted, they also expect new graduates to already have at least a decade's worth of experience in their head or on their portfolio... but I digress.

Think smarter. Engineer a way in which you can pay an indian to do the code and make it seem like it's you. They may do it for $100.

So true. Literally everytime I go to apply i jobs, the leetcode grind is initiated. At this point, the engine turns over a few times before it gets going.

Or you can just learn it once and for all and maintain a regular weekly habit of leetcode. You really can’t afford a ramp up period every time you look for a job. Leetcode must become a way of life like exercising and eating well.

@@Chi_di So you can lose out against someone who has nothing better to do than grind LC outside of work? But yes, I get what you're saying and it does help a bit.

@@Chi_di You do have a good point. I’ve implemented minimum 30 mins a day with DSA problem, but leetcode and interview prep is like preparing for Olympic event. Olympians train like hell at their event all year and I’m not training for a Olympic programming competition - that’s exactly what leetcode is, prep for programming Olympics. I think the style of interviewing, generally, does work but most of the year I don’t need competitive programming at my job.

u have no idea what u are talking about, i finish college in 2008, there was a big economic crisis, all around the world but specially in my country, they increased taxes and unemployment was skyrockting, i remenber delivering resumes in hand, and having a person to put it in the garbage after i left and looked in the window.... i had to migrate to another country just to get a job, i went to work on a shit work that the natives didnt want, i hardly had money to eat..... and you complaing about partying or a small change in tech... meanwhille in my area of work, that i was forced to go because my father told me if i missed a year i would go to work manual job... well my area of work they make changes every 3 months sometimes 6 months and you are always guessing.... and have a lot of responsiblity is very comon for people to not be stable in jobs to last not even 1 year... now please tell me how hard is not to get 100k+ carreer because coding.... loool i wish i went to coding but i changed that because of maths... every class was maths and still companies in my country demands you to be a engineer.....

Which country are you talking about? Southern Europe is my bet

@@pelayopar or Eastern Europe

@@pelayopar in my case south east asia

planks planks and some more planks

@@MyPhuckDub Eastern Europe isn't that bad. There are a few or more kind like this companies, but also the contrary.

I know what you say sounds really dark but I feel you bro.

what country is that?!?!

Which country??

What's your take home? US employee probably takes 2x what you have, means that they would be same money-wise if they have to take 1 year unemployment break after each year working.

Probably you still pay for "labor laws" as decreased paycheck!

@@eugeneostroukhov3315 thats a major cope. If hes located anywhere in the developed world US employees dont make 2x what he makes. Maybe 1.3x if they can get a good job.

May Jesus bless you, your family and your career, brother.

God bless you brother! Trust the process and never give up!

Bro, the pandemic was fantaaaaaaaastic for jobs DURING the pandamic. It was a golden age of opportunity. After the pandemic is when it got really bad. If you couldn't get a job during the pandemic then the problem most certainly wasn't the market.

If getting a masters didnt help you land a job, why work on and pay for a doctorate? Just study leetcode and system design for months until you can land a job

I believe in you

You got this bro us systems people are built different.

Yes thank you, was wondering where does he get his numbers. Would be nice to back those claims up with some actual statistics and sources

Agreed. The charts are just bogus "how I feel" bar graphs.

Seriously…normally I like his videos but it seems like he’s posting this just to get on the panic train in order to get more views for his channel.

pretty much my take

Keep in mind that what happens in USA might need some time to come to other part of the world. There is a saying "When USA coughs, the whole world gets sick"

I feel you. It is the same situation in Greece. People are looking left and right for engineers who are worth their mettle. As someone who performs tech assessments on behalf of my workplace, I am quite tired of going through the rounds with a candidate only to eventually find out they are snagged away, again and again and again, esp. in the let's say "junior/mid" positions, the grey area where people are really trying to put their best foot forward.

Same here in Belgium. I think there is a difference between how companies in the Us and Europe work, workers are far more protected in Europe. It's quite expensive to layoff workers, so hiring people is a bigger financial risk. Initially it might be a lot harder to find work as a self taught / bootcamper, but once you are in the industry, job security is more guaranteed.

@@IvanRandomDude Yeah, however, Europe & USA have vastly different demographics. Europe's facing a severe reduction in the general work force over the next decades (e.g. for Germany we're looking at 20 to 30% fewer people in the work force!). Europe's population is aging a lot faster, a lot of our countries have inverted population pyramids whereas the USA's demographics are pretty health - their pyramid looks much more like a chimney, meaning the number of people. Companies here (= in Europe) are desperate to fill qualified positions and will remain so for a long while, at least in general - temporary hickups notwithstanding.

Hov hov! Where are all these openings here? I live in DK and I've been applying since November and I don't even get a reply.

One can hope. One can hope.

Me too

But it isn't about hope, there are lack of oportunities now

im doing the exact same thing currently. Keep it up you got this! I think in the end all that matters if is we actually know enough to be able to do it all, and if we dont well we need to learn some more. Be someone worth hiring

Learn PHP and a bit of WordPress you will find a job easier than with Python, then if you are in love with Python with one year of experience with PHP the transition of finding a job with Python will be much easier or you can just start learning Symfony or Laravel and still make good money. But getting a first job with Python specially without a degree it will be hard not impossible but it's much easier to get in the industrie with PHP and WordPress.

Recruiting got hit hard at Facebook and Amazon from what I read. Mostly due to the hiring freezes. Plus, companies can farm out recruiting to a third-party tech recruiting firm easily, and then take over when it comes to interviewing and final negotiations.

Competition is stupid. You should compete only when you think you have an edge. Sun Tzu said that. Or something like that.

Get impact to get a fucking job? Really? Damn this is like if we are kinda artist not engineer. We need to be entrepeuner, coders, and fucking engineers to get a fucking single job wtf

Change career bro. You are in time. Im changing to electronic engineer ❤

If I were you I'd change to a career that's more grounded in reality and away from a computer, since who the hell knows if we're still going to have electricity in 10 years.

Same thing. I started as a Junior 1 year ago. Not much progress, and I make shit $$$. But ho boi, it's still better than no job.

Just don't be a frontend dev. The market is absolutely saturated by frontend devs

@@brunovaz yeah, I know. But I have one year of commercial experience and it's this hard. Imagine how hard it is when you're a complete beginner. That's why recommendations and contributing to open sources are the best right now.

@@GameDSS do you have any degree or is it all self taught?

@@user-td5gy2fh3p self thaught. although im planning on starting uni this year just for the sake of it

@@brunovaz the market is saturated with "okay" frontend devs, if you're really pushing cool domain-expanding work in UI/frontend i know people foaming out the mouth for UI devs, in fact over time, i respect UI/frontend more and more, cuz it's hard to get it right

Have you been making increasingly complex side projects? I've been getting asked more and more about side projects as of late. My experience is gets me in the door, but sometimes I get shutdown because all my work is company work and not personal (which I can show off)

don't give up. I finished a bootcamp in Feb 2020, right before covid, and spent two years looking for a job. keep coding, keep learning, keep applying

@@Metruzanca 👋🏼Found you in a new place

@@Metruzanca I've contributed to three complex projects but they're mostly company work so I can't show them off too and I got in only because my connection needed help. But the experience has been quite helpful. Now, since I'm on my own, I've been kind of in a stasis. I've had trouble starting complex full stack apps on my own

@@z3rocodes Apparently not enough these three years to land a job. I'm trying to do more this year, but it's hard to juggle between applying for jobs, doing leetcode, and starting own personal complex projects. So first week of February, I applied to about 30 places so far

How is the remote job situation in Sweden? Do they hire from India?

@@AbhilashPotharaju I've talked with some companies that do. For example TimeEdit, but that was like a year ago.

To be fair to yourself, you probably were more likely to be laid off from the new jobs because of the fact that you would be the new person in. As the saying goes last one in is first one out.