Gettysburg (1993) ~First Day (part five)

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Gettysburg (1993)

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@josephmay8837 4 жыл бұрын

I think this is the best roll that Martin Sheen ever played. He was perfect in every part of the movie. He brings alive Robert E. Lee. This movie is as good as Lonesome Dove and that is hard to beat.

@vinsanity982 4 жыл бұрын

"....if practicable" . It's funny to think that those words may have been a turning point in history

@CrazySC833 2 жыл бұрын

It's now Gettysburg 158th. I've always thought intensely about those orders......I have come to the following conclusions. 1. Ole'Dick Ewell had just lost his leg at Second Manassas which probably greatly effects his decisions and confidence on that day. 2. Ole' Blue Light (General Jackson was killed at Chancellorsville and command went to Ewell after Jackson's passing, a TREMENOUS task to bear). If you look at Ewell's division's participation in the first day, you will CLEARLY see that his boys were HEAVILY involved starting from mid morning, taking extraordinary casualties and the "Take the heights beyond the town IF PRACTICABLE" came fairly late in the day. From Ewell's prospective, he has a worn out division and is now staring at 1. Culp's Hill on his left which is now "bristling with artillery pieces [according to an aid's report]" and heavily reinforced and 2. A heavily reinforced cemetery ridge which is now occupied by relatively fresh troops from the 11th corps. I'm not a fan of Ewell by any means...I'm being honest when I say this, but I don't think his attack late in the day would have made a difference. Prudence may have been a better call here.

@tateflorell2751 2 жыл бұрын

Funny to think how the way we say things can change history

@oceandark3044 Жыл бұрын

@@CrazySC833 I think your read on the situation is as correct as Ewell's. Honestly, "if practicable" is one of those phrases I think people use to try to advance that Lost Cause idea, but Ewell's corps may have been in no condition to take those heights. It may have been an excellent idea of Lee to add those lines, and Ewell was probably the best one to gauge whether taking the hills were practicable. We also may not quite get the idea because we see so many civil war events and movies, like this one, using re-enactors. You know, the powder goes off, the guys lie down, stuntment fly when an explosive goes off. It's all very... sanitary. We have to imagine Ewell's men have just seen several hours of brutal combat where men were eviscerated, blown to pieces, disemboweled, blown open, and all the manner of things artillery and heavy gauge rifles can do to men. Lee's actual mistakes came in later phases of the battle, assaulting well entrenched and fortified positions with bodies of massed infantry. It was Meade's job to destroy his army and there was plenty of evidence that if Meade settled into a siege his bosses would fire him, so Lee should have found a place to hunker down and do to Meade what Meade did to him over those two days. Lee just forgot that there is no godly providence, and Sun Tzu hasn't stopped being right about things like this so far.

@shirayasha Жыл бұрын

@@oceandark3044 3 guarantees of life: Death, Taxes, and Sun Tzu always being right.

@ProvisionalPatrioticAlliance 3 ай бұрын

"If practicable" was an extremely common military term at the time. It shows up everywhere in action reports and orders. It's not just a Lee-ism

@jimchumley7907 Жыл бұрын

I am 63 yrs old come this Fri. Sept.16th and have been fascinated by the Civil War since the age of about 10yrs. Back then Marx Bros. came out with these incredible Civil War play sets. Along with The Revolutionary War I have fascinated since my youth in these eras. I find this movie the best movie I have ever seen about the Civil War, my second all time classic favorite being Shenanadoah. I get very emotional and tear up at times when I walk battlefields. It gets embarrassing at times. But the carnage and death of humans during the Civil War overwhelms me. SHALOM to all who read this. Much AGAPE love to you all!

@jamesmarjan5481 2 жыл бұрын

Colonel Vincent died with the same hurt hearts from the men just like General Reynolds. So good, so smart, so brave. Even though he dies, he accomplished the mission.

@shirayasha Жыл бұрын

Bravery seems to correlate with death and injury in the civil war. Both Vincent and Reynolds more than earned their paycheck at gettysburg.

@michaelplanchunas3693 10 ай бұрын

The scene where bugle calls are being discussed reminded me that I read that regimental buglers were required to know 84 bugle calls without hesitation. That takes a lot of practice.

@peterschorn1 4 жыл бұрын

"Would the Colonel please do us all a favor an' get back on the damn horse?"

@markmerzweiler909 4 жыл бұрын

We have too many bugle calls, that's why we invented some more.

@mike89128 4 жыл бұрын

Yep: master bugler needed to instantly play 84 bugle calls.

@hijackmaniac 3 жыл бұрын

tatataaa butterfield butterfieeeeld butterfieeeeld...see i remember that :D

@CharleyVCU1988 6 жыл бұрын

"take the hill if practical" wrong move.

@rahulbond3m 6 жыл бұрын

if the hill was indeed taken, you think union army would still occupy cemetery ridge? or try to retake cemetery hill on second day? Meade might have retreated towards washington dc and occupied some other defensive position

@joshwade8087 6 жыл бұрын

Just my two cents - I doubt the hill would have been taken at all. At the end of the day, Lee's order was exactly what he meant. Take the hill only if you think you can do it. If he had meant "take it at all costs" he would have said it that way. People always say "If Jackson had been alive he would have certainly taken that hill and won the war!" Jackson would definitely have tried, but he would have been attacking a strong position with tired troops against an equally disorganized and tired enemy reinforced with a fresh brigade and artillery batteries. Its likely the assault would have failed, especially since it was the end of the day and night was coming on. I think people too often look at what the Confederates did wrong at Gettysburg and not at what the Union did correctly. The Confederates actually did more things right at Gettysburg than people give them credit for, but I think it was more of a Union victory than a Confederate loss if that makes any sense at all. Show less REPLY

@crossthekxng943 5 жыл бұрын

The Confederate could have taken that hill if he said at all cost. It doesn't mean end of the battle, the lines would be different and they would be fighting south of gettysburg in that hilly terrain. That wouldn't be a bloodbath like pickets charge but still. I Doubt it would have changed too much, it would have caused the yankees to fall back. Worst case is they fall back to DC

@seanwalters1977 5 жыл бұрын

If it wasn't for Col. Strong Vincent's decision to move his Brigade to the previously undefended Little Round Top, taking the hill would have been practical and have succeeded.

@777crusader 5 жыл бұрын

Different hill. The hill Lee is talking about is either Cemetery Hill or Culps Hill. Vincent was on Little Round Top which was far away from both armies on July 1

@ReformedSooner24 3 жыл бұрын

“If practicable” Words that likely changed the course of history in very big and immediate ways.

@andycdwll Жыл бұрын

I was just thinking the same. If only Lee would have said ,,Take the damn hill.,, I wonder what History would be like...

@mike89128 4 жыл бұрын

What happens when two blind armies blunder into each other? More blunders. Battle would have been different if Stuart been in the area to advise Lee.

@sapienecks 4 жыл бұрын

That's precisely why General Lee was mad at Stuart when he finally appeared.

@TS-ev1bl 4 жыл бұрын

Lee was far more blind than Meade. It was no accident that Buford was in position to do what he did that day. As opposed to Stuart, Union cavalry was Johnny (or Billy) on the spot at G-burg.

@SantomPh 4 жыл бұрын

Lee would not have even gone for Gettysburg if Stuart had told him Buford's Brigades and Reynolds' corps were around, as their objective was Harrisburg, further north. There would be no battle, however Buford was a pretty good cavalry commander himself and might have found the ANV, albeit a lot later and without the advantage of pickets and an ignorant Heth making things worse. A different Gettysburg battle would have ensued, perhaps with the Brigades deployed and Hill's Corps detached to fight them, with Buford running back to find Reynolds instead of waiting at the seminary. Without Stuart returning even on the first day Lee planned the second day with no information and led to Devil's Den, Little Round Top and the Wheatfield being fought with no information or strategy ; if Stuart had been able to return and reconnoiter the land a southern opening might have been found, or he might have added to Longstreet's argument to decamp and head for DC with Meade getting stuck on the Gettysburg ridges and unable to move. Stuart did in fact try to charge for DC later in the battle but by then Custer and the Michigan cavalry cut him off.

@CLuvTravels 4 жыл бұрын

It's like everytime he starts singing the camera man gives up lolol

@ARCtrooperblueleader 3 жыл бұрын

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@SmilingGator96 4 жыл бұрын

A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Lee was a southern gentleman through and through. I'm sure he thought that Ewell wouldn't take every word literally and push on the hill, but Ewell did take every word literally, and decided his tired, worn out men couldn't take the hill.

@mrblack888 4 жыл бұрын

There may be something in that but Ewell should still have recognised the key terrain and the necessity of taking it, or at least discovering if it were possible to take it. Giving it to the enemy, whatever the reason, is terrible generalship.

@GorinRedspear 4 жыл бұрын

Also keep in mind that he was used to Jackson not only understanding the meaning of his vague directives, but even thriving on it. Lee knew that trying to micro manage such a large force could only result in catastrophe (as happened whenever Washington tried to do it with the AoP), and usually left it to the commanders on the spot to decide wether something is 'practicable' or not. Ewell looked at the now, and decided his force was not fit enough to do it. Jackson would look at tomorrow and realise that taking that hill would give his men the edge they needed to win. Also, Jackson never let any concern for the wellbeing of his men dictate his objectives, though he tried to spare them whenever possible. If not possible, well, they were soldiers and such was their duty. The same regime he forced on himself.

@pearlpoint9838 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I think it all comes down to the lose of Jackson, Lee at this point of the war was used to having such a capable commander on the field and probably had given orders similar to that to Jackson, but Ewell wasn't Jackson and didn't have the aggressiveness that Jackson possessed. To be frank, if not for the death of Jackson (and not to mention the many other fine officers that were lost in the previous battles), I'm confident the Confederates would have won the battle of Gettysburg and we all most likely wouldn't even know the town Gettysburg. Unless of course that a Confederate victory at Gettysburg meant defeat for the Union (which I doubt). All and all, Lee was pressed for time, and he knew this would be one of the last chances he had to force the North to surrender and given how desperate the situation was he was forced into a move (Pickets Charge) that would ruin any chances left of him forcing a Union surrender, Pickets Charge was a risky gamble, but in Lee's mind and based off the knowledge he would have known at that point (especially considering that Stuart utterly failed at giving the proper amount of intel) it was the final blow that would destroy any Union chances of holding their current positions.

@firingallcylinders2949 4 жыл бұрын

My ancestor John C Tidball was the one who first used Taps for military funerals.

@headshotsongs9465 4 жыл бұрын

Is it true it was first played for a Confederate soldier killed in battle? Taps has it's origins in the Civil War.

@jordankuneyl858 4 жыл бұрын

@@headshotsongs9465 www.ausa.org/history-taps first recorded use was for a Union soldier as it was a Union bugle call.

@timmccarthy872 4 жыл бұрын

Stay. Stay. Gold. Ponyboy, Ponyboy, Ponyboy.

@bumperbonnie5721 4 жыл бұрын

the outsiders eh

@TREXfit1882 6 жыл бұрын

Dan. Dan. Dan. Butterfield. Butterfield. Butterfield.

@numbernine6390 4 жыл бұрын

right after explaining Butterfield he asks "ever hear Butterfields Lullaby"? Now known as "Taps".

@johnkeviljr9625 5 жыл бұрын

"If practicable." There is a difference, I think.

@alexanderforrest1983 5 жыл бұрын

john kevil, jr there is. The command was vague and it would require an extremely seasoned general to be able to understand and commit to the order.

@CaseytheComedian 3 жыл бұрын

Chop off the words "if practical", make the statement to a timid man like Ewell a bit more forceful... and history completely changes. The "what ifs" of the past are some of the most interesting things to speculate about. 🤔

@seanwalters1977 5 жыл бұрын

Kind of wild to think as these men are marching to their assigned locations they have no idea what has and is transpiring ahead of them

@indy_go_blue6048 5 жыл бұрын

These men are veterans of Fredricksburg, were held in reserve at Antietam. I think they have a fairly good idea of what awaits them.

@seanwalters1977 5 жыл бұрын

@@indy_go_blue6048 So they know what's happening at Gettysburg? I was inferring to this battle as it wasn't even supposed to happen, that apparently went over your head. Lee didn't want a general engagement and Meade wanted to fight in Maryland. These men were told to go to some random town in Pennsylvania with no idea of what to expect. As they marched, again with no idea of what was ahead, Bufford's cavalry and the first elements of I Corps are already pitched in a pivotal point of the battle.

@gregp103 4 жыл бұрын

@@seanwalters1977 Buford* Now you can get surly and tell me something went over my head.

@seanwalters1977 4 жыл бұрын

@@gregp103 Thanks! Sorry for having to explain something to someone, if that makes me surly then ok!

@rexfrommn3316 5 жыл бұрын

We should assume Confederate General Lee is referring to either Culp's Hill or another hill on or near Cemetary ridge. I never get too hung up abput whether Lee said "take the high ground if practical" or "take it at all costs" or "if only Jackson was alive" etc. It is probably unknowable if any large Union force had fallen back to or was going to Culp's Hill at about the same time Lee is said to have given this order. But we can assume the Union officer knew how important the high ground was to the Union position. So we can assume any serious Confederate move to send tired wornout troops to attack Culp's Hill or another adjacent hill on the high ground behind Gettysburg would have been countered with Union infantry immediately dispatched to that threatened sector on the high grpund. The whole Union battle plan put forward with Union General Buford's cavalry and General Reynold's infantry corps was to DENY the high ground outside of Gettysburg. So my response to "if only so and so this Confederate General with his tired wornout exhausted troops had just been superman and taken this hill" etc. The Confederates would have won the battle or been at some tactical advantage if onlyntheir tired troops had done more etc." HORSE MANURE to such statements. Go march 15 to 20 miles with a 9lbs rifle and 60 or more pounds of ammo, water, a blanket, haversack, rations etc on your back. Let the shoulder straps dig until your back is raw and bruised. After you have done this and had bood blisters on your feet go, POP! Then we will see how spry you are about taking a hill that was defended by Union troops on the high ground. The Union commanders would have done everything possible to keep those tired Confederate attackers from getting to the hills on the high ground. The situation was confused and Confederate troops took a long time milling about the town of Gettysburg. By the time they got reorganized most of the daylight was gone, and fresh Union troops were digging in on Culp's Hill and other high ground around Gettysburg to form the now famous "fishook."

@indy_go_blue6048 4 жыл бұрын

Apparently, per the history books, Culp's Hill was unoccupied until around 4:30 when Hancock told the 1st Corp commander to take his men over to cover the hill. He protested that his men were exhausted, fought out and low on ammo. Hancock being a man of few words and many of those vulgar, told him to take his men and get the hell over there. But Ewell's men were badly disorganized, there was a report of Union troops out on the (IIRC) Hanover Road NE of town that had to be investigated, one of his divisions (Anderson) was out on the Cashtown Road far from town, and he received advice from Rodes and Early not to make the attack, so he didn't. Rather they would've taken is we'll never know.

@SantomPh 4 жыл бұрын

Buford already knew those heights were important and communicated it to Reynolds before retreating his cavalry. Had Ewell and Early pushed and ignored the town the Union would have been the ones running for the lee side of the hill. A.P Hill got injured in this engagement and thus his artillery had no orders from him. Ewell would have gone in all out had the term "practicable" not been put into the orders- he might have assumed Lee sent reinforcements or had some other tactic to conserve his forces. People think Stonewall would have pushed on, but remember this was a multi-division approach and each general seemed to think differently. Longstreet arriving a bit later added to the mess of ideas.

@gerryleb8575 4 жыл бұрын

This issue was a matter of public debate when Longstreet had his little newspaper war in the 1870s. It is also one of the big issues military historians study about this, the greatest of all modern meeting engagements. The Confederacy had what is now called a "cadre problem". In order to win the war, Lee had to take the tactical offensive as often as possible. That caused his cadres to be decimated.

@michaelmckinnon1591 3 жыл бұрын

He's referring to big roundtop

@kylew.4896 4 жыл бұрын

Imagine Gettysburg with trenches? Esp the round tops and cemetery hill? The battle couldve gone on as long as the Somme or ypres...the 9th battle of Gettysburg...jeez

@TS-ev1bl 4 жыл бұрын

In reality that couldn't happen for several reasons. Lee's army had no supply lines. They were living off the land and therefore could not stay in one place for very long, they had to keep moving. Also, there is no way Washington could or would tolerate Lee in Pennsylvania for very long. Also, IF Lee was equipped and supplied for a long stay (which he wasn't), the Union army could have and would have rushed in reinforcements. In arguably a bigger victory for the Union than Gettysburg, Vicksburg surrendered on the 4th of July, ending the siege and freeing up most of Grant's army. In the real world, the battle at G-burg ended in a Union victory on July 3rd so Grant's army stayed in the western theater, but in your alternate reality if the Gettysburg battle was bogged down in a stalemate and Lee was still in PA, Grant's Army would have been put on boats and been in PA in only a few days. If Lee's army was still sitting there it would have been crushed between two Union armies. In the real world, those two elements are why Lee retreated back to Virginia in a hurry after Gettysburg. He had no supply line, food and ammo were short, and tactically his army was very vulnerable as long as it was north of the Potomac. He had to "get while the gettin' was good".

@NYRM1974 5 жыл бұрын

YOU TAKE THAT HILL AT ALL COST FOR WE NEED THE HIGH GROUND.

@brandonwright2067 6 жыл бұрын

General lee perhaps one of the greatest generals but he made a lot of simple mistakes. I always found it funny that a lot of the rebel officers were formerly union officers but switched sides based upon were they lived. Gotta love history

@daniellastuart3145 6 жыл бұрын

yap mistake loss battle .personally after studying a number of historical wars i believe most battles are actually lost and not won. and as for rebel officers were formerly union officers but switched sides based upon were they lived. that a civil war for

@indy_go_blue6048 5 жыл бұрын

What's interesting is that 70% of West Point Virginians stayed with the North, most notably Winfield Scott and George Thomas. Lee and John Brown both have (had?) one thing in common, both were deluded by their ideas of duty and sense of honor.

@c44LuWanda 5 жыл бұрын

Your figures are mixed up. And, duty and sense of honor are deluded ideals? What the hell you mean by that? In this day and time... I would say absolutely yes... for very few are honorable. But back then, it was an integral part of most men's lives.

@main2714 5 жыл бұрын

@@indy_go_blue6048 back then your home state came before the country as a whole

@indy_go_blue6048 4 жыл бұрын

@@c44LuWanda My figures come from 3 different historical texts, but I was incorrect in saying Virginians. 70% of WP Southerners stayed with the Union.

@rolandmiller5456 Жыл бұрын

" A far cry from Bowdoin College wouldn't you say" " No farther than Harvard Yard" Only one made it back to his alma mater.

@ChefMagic9789 3 жыл бұрын

This was McPherson Ridge right?

@zoedaly214 3 ай бұрын

Colonel sir begging the Colonel's pardon

@zoedaly214 22 күн бұрын

begging the Colonel's pardon

@FacloFormerFavorite Жыл бұрын

This illustrates Lees poor ability at giving orders, than missing Jackson.

@novacolonel5287 15 күн бұрын

4:48 He did not understand what Lee meant.

@TheShedadiah 5 жыл бұрын

When the golf cart comes behind them is pretty interesting. What's the par for Gettysburg?

@MrIMABIGMONKEY 5 жыл бұрын

Where?

@gregp103 4 жыл бұрын

@@MrIMABIGMONKEY 2:16

@dontask6863 4 жыл бұрын

That’s a wagon. Not a golf cart.............

@fiddlesing5130 4 жыл бұрын

ROFLOLOL! Sure looked like one! hahaha

@usersatch 4 жыл бұрын

sure the hell looked like one to me!

@zoedaly214 3 ай бұрын

i have never heard you laugh before

@nealarmstrong3050 4 жыл бұрын

No fahthah than Hahhhvad Yahd

@zoedaly214 3 ай бұрын

that's right

@zoedaly214 3 ай бұрын

Thomas Chamberlain you just laughed

@zoedaly214 23 күн бұрын

yeah Butterfield what?🤨🤨🤨🤨

@clairechapman-whitehead4553 4 жыл бұрын

SHUT UP AND STAY FOCUS!

@zoedaly214 22 күн бұрын

Colonel sir

@zoedaly214 3 ай бұрын

i don't know about that

@zoedaly214 4 ай бұрын

Butterfield what?

@zoedaly214 Жыл бұрын

Uh that's means excuse me

@zoedaly214 3 ай бұрын

Butterfield what?🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

@gerryleb8575 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah well Ewell couldn't muster the gumption to take the hill. Everyone on the planet knows that TEJ would have taken that hill. Luckily for us, I mean US.

@jordankuneyl858 4 жыл бұрын

He too would have failed with one division worn out by days or marching and a hard fight, his second division tied up protecting against a Union flanking action, and his third division still miles away. With which forces was he supposed to take the hill??? Meanwhile Hancocks Corp was moving onto the hill with fresh troops, some of the best in the whole Union Army. Jackson, Lee, and co are so overrated. The only one with any damn sense was Longstreet. Sense enough to surrender his 60K men in Charleston before Sherman butchered him.

@SantomPh 4 жыл бұрын

he would have taken the hill, but like Armistead later would have no support behind him and northerners slamming into his flank. The only change might have been Stonewall dying at Gettysburg, or Stonewall advising Lee not to do another Fredericksburg and follow Longstreet's suggestion to outflank Meade.

@chrisreynolds6204 Жыл бұрын

Jackson would have taken the hill, and the Union forces would have fallen back to Meade’s chosen position, where he wanted to fight anyway and defenses were already being prepared. Gettysburg would have gone down in history as a minor confederate victory and we cannot possibly know what would have happened at the Big Pipe creek, near Taneytown.

@Warmaker01 5 жыл бұрын

You see people think about the military get all wrapped up on the weapons and all that stuff. But nobody talks about the long marches. People that don't know any better, "Wow, it must be so cool having an M240G or SAW!" I say fuck that. That shit is heavy. Lug that shit around for a couple miles, you start changing your mind. Now do that for 10, 15, 20 mile or so marches. Hell to the fucking no. It's a constant thing with war. The Romans did long ass marches, as did other armies.

@zoedaly214 3 ай бұрын

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@zoedaly214 3 ай бұрын

Colonel sir begging the Colonel's pardon

@zoedaly214 22 күн бұрын

begging the Colonel's pardon

@zoedaly214 22 күн бұрын

Colonel sir

@zoedaly214 3 ай бұрын

Butterfield what?

@zoedaly214 22 күн бұрын

begging the Colonel's pardon