Penance stare attacks the Soul . Wolverine would be history if they fought .

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Yeah but we all know a nerf when we see one

Probably the dumbest thing Stan has ever said

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They usually mention in various wolverine comics where he gets into the magical side of things, typically when demons are afoot all wolverine can smell is brimstone. So he can identify that there *is* a demon but he cannot identify where or whom.

​@@bazzfromthebackground3696 👏 gj

​@@bazzfromthebackground3696especially with Ghost Rider

Well you can argue Ghost Rider literally leaves no scent, either by magic or by the sheer virtue of the heat he emits basically "purifying" him (like Johnny Storm not needing to shower.) Honestly take your pick, its comic book logic. At least this time it's a more light-hearted plot "hole" than... other comics lately edit: yes Johnny Storm doesn't need to shower. He can just flame on and be instantly clean. It makes *perfect* sense too

@@bazzfromthebackground3696 I thought of this and considered that although there was an obvious expectation of sulphur or brimstone, Rider would not have the stench of maniacal slaughter of innocents, as evil has a way of sticking to you. Like I said before, the discussion is intriguing

Very cool. Thank you for the Rider knowledge... but now I am curious what he had 4 u..🤔

Sorry. None of my business.

Accept them by force? That’s the definition of a villian

​@@TheComicCrewThat's why Vulcan is mad at Xavier, right? Lol

i agree the rider wins for sure

Well Marvel in their hierarchy did class GR as level 6, and Wolverine as level 5. So GR is indeed superior.

Yeah GR should definitely win, I’m not sure if it’s still apart of continuity or not but it used to be that only magic or a holy weapon could actually cause damage to GR so if that’s still a thing then I don’t even know how wolverine could hurt him.

I also agree ghost rider should win, but I don’t think it’s a given. Wolverine’s whole deal is punching up - even if he can’t win, he is very difficult to actually really beat. Nowhere near impossible, but it requires a level of determination that is normally very personal. Also penance stare … can I just say there are characters I would *not recommend* using that on. Characters where it will only make things far, far more dangerous. Banner, Wolverine, even Thor. With Wolverine specifically, it strikes me as eminently possible he’d go full berserker mode. Even ghost rider would probably view that as an unnecessary risk, and I don’t blame him for a second.

Antarctic vibranium melts adamantium and hellfire probably could to,

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Maybe it's in a different universe, so a different story?

I think he's been the victim more than a predator to innocence

The penance stare move was strong enough to render Dr. Strange (an accomplished telepath) comatose. If he can mess with Strange's mind then he certainly can wolverines. Now Wolverine may be able to recover from it but I'd say that Ghost Rider would eventually win the fight. Also if the penance stare does not end the fight, wolverine would be severely weakened, giving ghostrider the upper hand. Also I'd argue that it is much harder to kill Ghost Rider than Wolverine.

@@super_seaton9016 adamantium is hard to penetrate for phaser's and telepath's and when he gets attacked mentally he goes into berserker fight mode similar to Hulk's rage mode (less powerful of course) which isn't about thought rather survival instincts instilled in all creatures i.e fight or flight. I don't think it would him the advantage it has on other more powerful foes. Dont get me wrong Ghost Rider is badass and of course Ghost Rider would win 9/10 times in his own comics and 6/10 in Wolverine's because his are more about taking pain then dishing it out lol. Im a big Wolverine so I had to give him 1 in the Ghost Rider comics lol.

@@tepangora1388 The penance stare is a visual attack. He will gain direct access to his mind from his eyes. Unless Wolverine's eyes are also made of adamantium, it should still work. I know this because the penance stare is ineffective against blind people.

​@@super_seaton9016 It was more for the Dr Strange being a telepath comparison bit. The Penance stare would work but would far less effective and only slow Wolverine down momentarily and likely causing his berserker rage to kick in. Wolverine has been put through both the most and worst types of mental/physical pain far more than any other character except maybe the Hulk (Guts is probably in 3rd place ;). An example of Wolverine dealing with something similar and why it would be less effective: When Wolverine had the adamantium ripped from his skeleton (to which they were bonded together) by Magneto. While retreating in the blackbird the team were trying to help and saw his healing factor was closing wounds then re-opening them gain just as quick repeatedly over and over again. Jean Grey tried to help stable his mind in hopes it would his body and jumped into his mind. She saw Wolverine nailed to an X with all of his enemies taking turns attacking him over and over again which is some what similar to the Penance stare does. While all this is happening the Blackbird takes damage and a hole in the side of it causes Jean Grey to get sucked out of the Blackbird which is when Wolverine instantly comes conscious and grabs Jean in a nick of time. So not only has his mind taken something similar damage but his body has also and yet he can still snap out of it if need be. Sadly/Ironically Wolverine has gone through worse pain plenty of times since then all would agree the worst is still yet to come lol. :) Its not even a fair match up as Ghost Rider is on World War Hulk level, where Wolverine is not. Ghost Rider would dominate 9 out of 10 times, just not many (if any) of those wins would be via the Penance stare rather his other powers like Mystical Chains, Hell Fire, Super Strength to KO Wolverine like the Hulk has done many times before and more than Wolverine can remember lol.

The stare might break logan, but It's liable to send him berserker mode as that's his happy place. He's already described how detached the part of him that feels guilt is when he kills like that. I imagine ghost rider repeatedly incinerates wolverine but can't keep him down. Tries to the penance stare to put him down mentally, watches wolverine have a full on breakdown, deems him no longer a threat, transforms back to blaze and gets back in his bike, gets chased down and cheapshotted by an absolutely feral wolverine babbling incoherent nonsense and hallucinating about past battles while bounding about on all fours

Hellfire melts metals. Why wouldn;t it be able to melt adamantium the same way Antarctic vibranium does?

@@TheAce736 Ghost Rider could probably melt him completely.