Why Tarkov’s Latest Ammo Changes Could Move The Meta! (Patch 12.12.30)

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Gigabeef

Gigabeef

2 жыл бұрын

PS is now king! Today we look at the ammo changes made in 12.12.30, some of which are really significant. The biggest changes are to 7.62x39 PS, 5.45x39 and .300 Blackout, affecting the early, mid and late game!
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@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
What's your go-to round this wipe in the midgame?
@harrymalm
@harrymalm 2 жыл бұрын
Will probably use m80 and crafted 7.62 BP, like last wipe
@rakyat0268
@rakyat0268 2 жыл бұрын
366tkm for life
@natesmith3436
@natesmith3436 2 жыл бұрын
Midgame? It is day 3 of the wipe...
@harrymalm
@harrymalm 2 жыл бұрын
​@@natesmith3436 he probably means when we get into the midgame
@portman3950
@portman3950 2 жыл бұрын
@@natesmith3436 ikr, most people don’t even have flea yet
@skartimusprime4779
@skartimusprime4779 2 жыл бұрын
This is great, i was already a big fan of PP (that sounds wrong). Was a great cheap round to take into a farming run with an AK74U. If I died and lost two mags full it was no biggie, and it worked very well.
@mresportse3907
@mresportse3907 2 жыл бұрын
0-0
@user-mw9rs8zk3n
@user-mw9rs8zk3n 2 жыл бұрын
I loved to bring an aksb and 4 extra mags of ammo and magdumping at every single opportunity last wipe. Especially enjoyable when I yell obscenities while holding down the trigger. Now it seems I'll be bringing in aks's into raids a lot more
@TOXIC-fo2bc
@TOXIC-fo2bc 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like someone was poor
@Deathmperor
@Deathmperor 2 жыл бұрын
Been running PP all day killed 8 pmcs in a row before I lost to a 4 man
@dylanholmes1985
@dylanholmes1985 2 жыл бұрын
🤣 Big fan of PP
@concretel10n
@concretel10n 2 жыл бұрын
The 7.62x54r BT change is probably significant because the scavs now spawn with it. I can see it being the new most common variant of that calibre.
@lutscher7979
@lutscher7979 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, i've so much mp-18 and mosin scavs using BT 7.62x54R
@nornornornor9204
@nornornornor9204 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Killed 1 scav with the single shot rifle and he had 95 rounds of it. Almost 2 and a half stacks. At the end of that raid I had at least 3 stacks of it without even going for it.
@joshb7415
@joshb7415 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I think 5.45 aks are definetly going to see a resurgence this wipe. The VSS/VAL changes are odd, never saw anyone running those guns last wipe why nerf them so hard?
@Shooter10m
@Shooter10m 2 жыл бұрын
In real life theyre kinda shit for anything besides super close engagements, which they should win pretty much 80% of the time. Remember theyre meant for building clearing and the such in civilian environments
@rodiculous9464
@rodiculous9464 2 жыл бұрын
@@Shooter10m idk where the fuck you're getting your info from but that's not at all what they're for, considering vss literally means "special sniper rifle" in russian you think would be enough of a hint
@joshb7415
@joshb7415 2 жыл бұрын
@@Shooter10m Thats not really true, it was designed to be a marksmen rifle. Vintorez (VSS) is short for 'special sniper rifle' [Vintóvka Snáyperskaya Spetsiálnaya]. Really not designed to be a CQB weapon, more so a general purpose special operations weapon, with subsonic capability
@Shooter10m
@Shooter10m 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshb7415 Yes the VSS was. The Val was used by spetnaz and occasionally by RU swat
@Shooter10m
@Shooter10m 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshb7415 although you are 100% correct
@Ralore
@Ralore 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really impressed on all the videos you are getting out along with streaming I really hope the full time content creation works out because I love your videos
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! This is the short term wipe push atm, I'll cool it down after the first week as its not super sustainable lol but its fun for a week or two. Gonna resettle back into a sensible place! KZfaq probs goes back to 2x weekly but hoping I can do a few more streams
@RuffsTV
@RuffsTV 2 жыл бұрын
7.62 PS is life. Surprised they buffed it though, I never felt it was a weak round considering how cheap it is.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@alexmaurice4274
@alexmaurice4274 2 жыл бұрын
I like the change because I always felt like it wasn’t very useable later in the wipe and bp is pretty hard to get, but I would’ve rather they added another round in between ps and bp to like idk mechanic 3 or something
@ShadoXGaming9191
@ShadoXGaming9191 2 жыл бұрын
Quite a shame about the 9x39 nerf. Pretty much what I mained once sp5 became available. Was very slept on last wipe using it in semi auto
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
For sure. Not sure why it's been crucified so much
@misu1073
@misu1073 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gigabeef the gun was buffed
@damoor4202
@damoor4202 2 жыл бұрын
@@misu1073 how?
@endriuGTA
@endriuGTA 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gigabeef The base stat of as val and vss are reduced by 35 vertical recoil which will make this gun more like a smg now instead of a assault rifle
@jorgamund07
@jorgamund07 2 жыл бұрын
Semi auto with crafted SPP was great for me. You almost didn't have to think about armor at all. Now I'm going to have to rethink it.
@MinecraftKarol2005
@MinecraftKarol2005 2 жыл бұрын
i'm annoyed with 5.45, because of it's low dmg. basically all the rounds 3 tap the thorax at best, while people will survive headshots with igolnik and bs ammo. a rifle round flying through someone's head should be lethal, but it's not.
@Omen09
@Omen09 2 жыл бұрын
i can't believe it's been more than half a year and they still haven't fixed dmg ballistics...
@lutscher7979
@lutscher7979 2 жыл бұрын
well, here goes the HP mechanics
@billhader8404
@billhader8404 2 жыл бұрын
Every round will kill if it’s a headshot if I’m not mistaken? Your head only has 35 health and igolnik does 37 damage. Still shit damage but enough for a 1 tap. Unless the penetrating the helmet lowers the velocity and lowers the damage enough but it shouldn’t if if it does.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
I think they just need to make the head like 20 hp or something to stop those shenanigans. It's a bit silly
@Omen09
@Omen09 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gigabeef honestly i was thinking about that a lot, but just making it 20 on head would be perfect. No instant blunt damage death, but all pelets would be still plenty enough for it. If they don't figure it out themselves, let's just hope the unconsious state will kinda fix it
@Fflintiii
@Fflintiii 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Giga really good info wasn't bothered to look it up myself but noticed the difference!
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to be of service :) the info is a bit disjointed atm so I though the vid would be useful!
@Rlaxox
@Rlaxox 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for the info!
@harrymalm
@harrymalm 2 жыл бұрын
The big thing about the PP changes is that you can no longer 1 tap heads at longer ranges
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely not using it for that hehe
@CCKeller
@CCKeller 2 жыл бұрын
These really help bro! Thanks for doing the work
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@Maloda
@Maloda 2 жыл бұрын
The bigger picture change to take away from PS is that SKS scavs are going to be more likely to kill now
@lutscher7979
@lutscher7979 2 жыл бұрын
especially with body shots yeah
@hewhoplugwalks
@hewhoplugwalks 2 жыл бұрын
Oh god, I didn't think about that..
@RavemastaJ
@RavemastaJ 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Lvl 3 armor is no longer the 'Scav Protector' that it used to be. Now you have to have lvl 4, and even then SKS scavs can kill you.
@hewhoplugwalks
@hewhoplugwalks 2 жыл бұрын
@@RavemastaJ AKM, VP-136, and SKS scavs are about to become the new buckshot scavs.
@mjay6245
@mjay6245 2 жыл бұрын
I've noticed that! I was wondering why the fuck sks and AK 762 scavs were so fucking deadly this wipe and that confirms my thoughts. they got buffed highly against level 3 and 4 armour.
@Dylski.
@Dylski. 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely hate how they removed the 30 round 7.62 mags off prapor lvl 1.
@lutscher7979
@lutscher7979 2 жыл бұрын
you still have the barter but yeah it's annoying asf, the 7.62 vepr was really good if of course you could buy these mags
@Dylski.
@Dylski. 2 жыл бұрын
@@lutscher7979 I know man, even the scavs barely spawn with the 30 rounders now lmao
@user-mk9xh2ru9d
@user-mk9xh2ru9d 2 жыл бұрын
Bro just get peacekeeper lvl 2
@glitch_ewe2259
@glitch_ewe2259 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, they buffed Ps7.62, so that's why prob
@Dylski.
@Dylski. 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-mk9xh2ru9d got him tonight. Shit is so much better now 🤣🤣
@marv151
@marv151 2 жыл бұрын
Its really sad to see Bsg nerf the val even more. Idk why Bsg always insists upon having 2/3 guns being meta instead having a good variety of weapons to chose from late wipe
@DraxTheDestroyer
@DraxTheDestroyer 2 жыл бұрын
That is my problem with this game, they are advertising their game as a realistic simulation but then only let a few guns and ammo to be strong, the rest is shit. Why not let all guns be realistically strong ? Let's have some variety ffs.
@geronimo5537
@geronimo5537 2 жыл бұрын
Really the game should be more ammo center line than the weapons. Recoil should not be all over the place without mods and mods shouldnt matter as much as they do. A bare bones ak shooting ap incendiary is going to do more than a super tacticool gun shooting fmj, as an extreme example. This game has no concept of high speed low drag.
@DraxTheDestroyer
@DraxTheDestroyer 2 жыл бұрын
@@geronimo5537 100% right. Yes the tacticool gun will handle better but it all comes down to what type of ammo we are shooting. EFT devs think they know guns but they either don't have a clue or they just ignore their "simulation realistic shooter" titling of their game...
@geronimo5537
@geronimo5537 2 жыл бұрын
@@DraxTheDestroyer I own several of the weapons in tarkov. Like the five seven for example. And none of them jump up in my hands or noodle arm around as I fire. The game has more copied internet lore about the guns than how they are in real life. Though I mostly want to see rounds affecting targets more than they do. Blunt force trauma is a big killer in the real world and its hardly even modeled. Just because the round did not pen doesnt mean that kinetic force didnt shock the body. Something dying from bft looks almost comical. They will straighten outward instantly and basically turn into a plank falling over. You will see animals do the same when hit by vehicles from the sudden shock. And headshots and neckshots need to be more serious. Material injected into your brain or major bleeding is a bad day. Players are not punished enough for getting hit. Which is why mlg bros are sprinting everywhere.
@DraxTheDestroyer
@DraxTheDestroyer 2 жыл бұрын
@@geronimo5537 Due to gun laws in my country I do not own any myself because of the taxation, but there is a mandatory military service here and my service rifle was a HK G3, for a 70 year old gun, it performed phenomenally well, recoil was near non existent upwards and sideways, all the recoil there is, is just pushing into your shoulder not some absurd shit like in the tarkov. I also shot with various 9mm pistols of Canik, literally no recoil as long as you got a strong grip. Tarkov devs are weird in this regard, they claim to be regularly going to the shooting range, but they do not seem to have real life experience with guns...
@SOL1DUDE
@SOL1DUDE 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Gigabeef, it's me again. That MCX fanboy dude from your MCX video. Thanks for all your cool videos. I don't know why this change isn't in the tarkov wiki and generally flew under the radar but the .300 blackout M62 round also got a pen buff from 34 to 36. At least according to the tarkov-changes site. Is it untrue? Veritas' battle buddy also has that changed already. It still has the same damage of 54 and I think those 2 pen, as you said, make a big difference. 5.45 BT will generally 3 tap class 4 now because of the damage nerf. .300 M62 will also 3 tap but has a decent potential of 2 tapping class 4 armor. Because of the relation of penetration chance and armor damage it will also wear down class 5 a lot faster than before. 6 thorax shots to kill someone with a Gzhel. Same as 5.45 BT, even with the pen buff to 40 pen. And then MCX wins with the higher fire rate. In my opinion high fire rate is also, counter intuitively, an advantage for longer ranges because it comes with a faster reset between shots. So you can tap faster. MCX becomes viable at lvl 23 with peacekeeper 3. Low recoil from the baskak stock build plus these rounds. People always hate the MCX for the horizontal recoil but close range its not important and mid/long range you have to tap anyway so it's a non issue. If you could beam this thing at 50m still it would be pretty overpowered. You mentioned in the MCX video that the big problem is that .300 AP is so limited. Probably now .300 M62 is a worthy round to mix with AP.
@SOL1DUDE
@SOL1DUDE 2 жыл бұрын
PS: BCP FMJ got buffed by 1 pen, not nerfed. ... Still only good early wipe but MCX is simply not available then so pretty pointless round, yeah.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Ah whoops! Hmm yeah I guess I'll still rather use new 545 BT with 40 pen as its so much better than 36 but indeed 34 to 36 is an important threshold that its coming close to. Certainly viable!
@AlexDenton0451
@AlexDenton0451 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just upset that my fav gun is getting nerfed even harder. I’ll stick with the VSS and VAL but man they make it hard…
@ianlinder2168
@ianlinder2168 2 жыл бұрын
Psst, you can buy the PAB-9 round on the flea. Tested it offline with an AS-VAL it's 100% viable
@lutscher7979
@lutscher7979 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, SP6 is still really good
@marv151
@marv151 2 жыл бұрын
Also used to love using the vss. Idk why they further nerfed it. Even when it was a meta weapon its firerate and small mags gave it distinct drawbacks
@shaerigir88
@shaerigir88 2 жыл бұрын
@@lutscher7979 Yeah if you want to tap with it in the mid game. Late game its basically BP or bust now and BP is stupid hard to get.
@AlexDenton0451
@AlexDenton0451 2 жыл бұрын
@@marv151 I’ve always loved it because I slap a flashlight and a OKP7 and I’m done with mods. It’s a fun gun for a good price and it’s always been reliable, I’m just sad it’s been slapped down.
@itsdirtsworld
@itsdirtsworld 2 жыл бұрын
this is very well done... Thank you for the info
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@BIGCOOKIEJONES
@BIGCOOKIEJONES 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all that you do homie!
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Np ty :)
@hoteltrivago6752
@hoteltrivago6752 2 жыл бұрын
the 7.62x39 ps round went straight through my bastion helm, this wipes gonna be interesting
@loblawbomb1532
@loblawbomb1532 2 жыл бұрын
I've been running PP for a few hours this wipe, and it's excellent. Of course, most people aren't wearing C4 yet. I wonder if the buy limit from Prapor will be reduced. Then again, it's the same price or a little less on the flea market at the moment.
@harrymalm
@harrymalm 2 жыл бұрын
There are vests with C4 on them!?
@lutscher7979
@lutscher7979 2 жыл бұрын
​@@harrymalm he meant class 4
@harrymalm
@harrymalm 2 жыл бұрын
@@lutscher7979 woosh
@sd5241
@sd5241 2 жыл бұрын
Few wipes ago vss/val and sp5 were my go to but now its just too expensive.
@garyhamilton2104
@garyhamilton2104 2 жыл бұрын
The background tunes combined with your rhythmic flow makes this such a joy to listen to!
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@thenatnat7042
@thenatnat7042 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I think it's worth noting that recoil this patch is significantly more manageable, so the MCX could end up meta!! Plus the VSS/VAL are slightly more usable than before, though I think the ammo nerfs were undeserved, and SP6 will become the go to round for these weapons
@hewhoplugwalks
@hewhoplugwalks 2 жыл бұрын
With how much I find PAB-9, I might use the VSS/VAL more often. I have like 200-300 rounds just sitting in my stash that I can't sell on the flea and don't want to sell to traders because I get so little out of it.
@jordangray4796
@jordangray4796 2 жыл бұрын
You always fo such a great job. Clearly presented, noted videos that teach in a way i appreciate. Keep it up "beefer". Good luck out there.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@t_babe
@t_babe 2 жыл бұрын
I’m really upset that they didn’t change the Vepr Hunter barter this wipe. 2 broken ones for a new one that has no stock or gas block is ridiculous, especially considering that no traders sell the gas block
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
It really needs to give a working one. Because as you say that barter really needs 3 hunters as you can't make one from the base version. Plus it's too expensive for the cash trade later on also!
@BravoFox2124
@BravoFox2124 2 жыл бұрын
I feel bad that I just noticed I wasn't actually subscribed. I just search for your videos so much, I got all your videos recommended automatically. Got it now. Love the video. Hope to see more!
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Subscribing is overrated these days 😂 youtube doesn't really seem to care - if you watch it suggests haha!
@zombiesue1054
@zombiesue1054 2 жыл бұрын
Too bad the MCX just doesn't have enough quality attachments to drive prices down. There's really only one good way to build it, which is massively expensive, and given the high base cost you can't even decently run it budget either. AKM style guns just do everything it does at half the cost, and the meta mutant does everything the MCX does but better. I want to love it, but until it gets more attachments and build variation, it will always be expensive.
@exan6970
@exan6970 2 жыл бұрын
One thing the MCX does right though and you gotta give it to that gun, it's style points...looks dope.
@apersonontheinternet8006
@apersonontheinternet8006 2 жыл бұрын
@@exan6970 The MCX is very capable and makes a great companion for a bolt action loadout. It is easier to bag it in the event you find a better rifle, it is substantially lighter, has a way better MOA, and a much higher rate of fire than the AKs. The MCX is also pretty good to do insurance fraud with if you fold it up and throw it in a corner or bush because it is smaller than the other rifles. With the new energy drop off, I suspect the 300AAC will become more preferable than many of the SMGs but I suppose time will tell. I'd like to see BSG incorporate 300AAC barrels for the M4A1 receivers. If they did and I missed it, ignore me, but I think it would help with making blackout more viable while having the MCX being the flagship for lack of a better word. Have barrels, pistol length gas tubes, and short hand guards in loot or for barter and allow us to modify the M4.
@moos3h212
@moos3h212 2 жыл бұрын
I’m honestly surprised they didn’t move ps to prapor lvl 2 to make people actually use T-45
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Yep would be a nice gameplay change imo
@mattlasley4229
@mattlasley4229 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. This one defines why they can’t be missed
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Appreciate the support :)
@Faalsnor
@Faalsnor 2 жыл бұрын
do you have an ammo chart somewhere? where i can compare ammo ?
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
I use the one on the wiki mainly. Tarkov-Ballistics.com is also very good
@noswad8317
@noswad8317 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering why my ak was absolutely destroying the class 4 ceramic armor that everyone gets off their scav runs
@mattpotter114
@mattpotter114 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like 7.62 PS is the way to go for the foreseeable future.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
I'm only using it at medium range currently but once we start getting that recoil down and the punisher quest line... Akms for days!
@thecenturion4753
@thecenturion4753 2 жыл бұрын
7.62x54R PS (old 7n1) got it's damaged reduced from 86 to 84, so less chances of one tapping to the thorax. Although with damage fall off I'm not really sure how consistent one tapping thoraxes was last wipe. xD
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it basically makes no diff. You could only one tap a naked out to like 10m or something
@opachki1527
@opachki1527 2 жыл бұрын
you would be surprised last wipe if you brought just a mosin and some PS onto factory last wipe. Killed dozens of chunky boys with a couple clean center mass shots
@Bloodlustian
@Bloodlustian 2 жыл бұрын
I'm highly fond of the MCX Blackout. Seeing the love the AP round is getting warms the cockles of my heart. Hopefully I'll be able to buy more than 90 rounds every 4 joutsm
@Qnasher
@Qnasher 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure 7.62 PS needed that buff, but I'm very happy to hear about the 5.45 buffs.
@mariuslundal4433
@mariuslundal4433 2 жыл бұрын
This explains why my vss scav couldnt kill a pmc with 6 hits to the chest with sp5
@AyoT7
@AyoT7 2 жыл бұрын
This is explained so well
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@billbaggins1688
@billbaggins1688 2 жыл бұрын
Any news on the 5.56x45 ?
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing yet
@bongo6_462
@bongo6_462 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I was wondering. What in the living hell happenef to my 9mm. It became a bbgun
@mandametricide
@mandametricide 2 жыл бұрын
It's 9mm.......
@Feradose
@Feradose 2 жыл бұрын
The entire storyline of Fallout New Vegas begins because 9mm is a cringe bullet
@pira707
@pira707 2 жыл бұрын
I killed a chad with a glock last night soo
@AHoardyBoi
@AHoardyBoi 2 жыл бұрын
6:50 Look how they massacred my boy
@ARMAGEDONKNIGHT
@ARMAGEDONKNIGHT 2 жыл бұрын
i been using PP for ages has its always been a great mid lv for ap and flesh pen its my go to ammo for AKs
@tristianmedina10
@tristianmedina10 2 жыл бұрын
they also changer 7.62x54r from 86dmg-84dmg no long a one tap at close-ish range
@PferdeLasagne
@PferdeLasagne 2 жыл бұрын
I ran BCP FMJ Last Wipe in Late Game to great effect, its a pretty good round dude !
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Haha there's always one :)
@nicolasheung441
@nicolasheung441 2 жыл бұрын
To buff 7.62*39 PS even more, they seem to be everywhere this wipe. I've yet to buy a single round from Prappor, and yet to unlock lavatory and the nutrition station (because I suck), but I already have 8 full stacks of PS in my inventory, all from looting. (Around 120 from ammo packs)
@wyattb8217
@wyattb8217 2 жыл бұрын
One thing that upset me with this wipe was that I am no longer able to buy 30round 7.62x39 mags any more at level 1 traders.
@KarmicalTV
@KarmicalTV 2 жыл бұрын
No changes to the m4 rounds? 5.56?
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Nope
@theredeyther7502
@theredeyther7502 2 жыл бұрын
The only reason I could see Nikita changing the 9x39 is to make the VSS/AsVal some sort of sniper but even that makes little sense as they don’t have the best range.
@the5starx
@the5starx 2 жыл бұрын
any changes to 5.56?
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Not yet. Bit of a disappointment tbh - imo it's less about the rounds and more about recoil, m4 feels the same to me so far but not 100% yet
@FlannelPrime
@FlannelPrime 2 жыл бұрын
The MCX will never be used competitively as long as the weird horizontal drifting it has stays in, imo
@DavidAJBoyle
@DavidAJBoyle 2 жыл бұрын
How on earth does a 5.45 Ignolnik round have more penetration than a 7.62x54R BT... WHAT?
@jonberry4853
@jonberry4853 2 жыл бұрын
I was using SPP and SP-6 last night and I had to put a full mag into a Class 3 Zhuk armor. Was excited for it now a little disappointed
@sigataros
@sigataros 2 жыл бұрын
scavs spawn with this bullet very often, its scary
@SteveIsHavingMC
@SteveIsHavingMC 2 жыл бұрын
i still think the recoil change was really dumb and it makes it feel like the PMC is a person who has never seen a gun in his life instead of a highly trained killer.
@Dead-bl7to
@Dead-bl7to 2 жыл бұрын
Damn I felt the PS when I killed a player with class 4 and had to double check what ammo I was running.
@NunSuperior
@NunSuperior 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's because I also have a video game gun review channel, but I really love this kind of content. 10/10 with 0 recoil.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Appreciate it :)
@somedude1324
@somedude1324 2 жыл бұрын
PS in the SKS hasn't been working great for me so far.
@pizzagui2pizza437
@pizzagui2pizza437 2 жыл бұрын
Within the first 4 raids of the new wipe i found class 5 and 6 armor lol, only to lose them both from a pmc headshot and a scav i somehow didnt headshot 4 times already, thanx moa. Been farming trade for 7.62 ak super reliable right now its a beast.
@MrFirefox365
@MrFirefox365 2 жыл бұрын
I got really lucky in raid and found really good gear including a fresh Class 4 Bastion helmet.. I got 1 tapped to the head through the helmet by 7.62x39mm PS.. I'm still salty a week later lol.. Why does the base round have to have such a good chance to pen the most used mid armor class in the game
@baleygrsteysionfayf9818
@baleygrsteysionfayf9818 2 жыл бұрын
Best content this early-wipe not lying no exagerration straight up fact.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate!
@Jercerplay
@Jercerplay 2 жыл бұрын
good summary
@emrgaming961416
@emrgaming961416 2 жыл бұрын
I use PS ammo through the entire wipe and now can't wait to use it now!
@originalgamer6991
@originalgamer6991 2 жыл бұрын
They (I would hope) do this for us shitters out there. Myself and most of the eft community suck or can't get the meta ammo all the time or ever. They gave us a ray of hope to stand up some. And last wipe, PP 5.45 was my go to. Such a good round, good damage and the pen was great for being so stupid cheap on the market
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah at least there are some good options for people now, that's true
@lutscher7979
@lutscher7979 2 жыл бұрын
I mean sure, but paying 300 roubles for 1 BP bullet is kinda annoying
@francescotenderini1489
@francescotenderini1489 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is that there is people lv. 30 after 2 days from the wipe. And I am in no rush, just chilling with my sks and get slaughter by full modded aks, exfil, lv5 armor dudes. I mean, you can play the game however you want, that's the beauty. But this give us something to fight chads with, rat community on the rise now
@hizzousekakashi8836
@hizzousekakashi8836 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I found a stack of 45 .300 AP rounds in an ammo box now lol
@michaelpollock9166
@michaelpollock9166 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed the ammo is very very strong now. Been seeing alot of base AK and SKS running around and 3 shotting me
@iamsancho443
@iamsancho443 2 жыл бұрын
Well there goes my hope using the vss this wipe. Damn it, i loved that gun!
@bet7299
@bet7299 2 жыл бұрын
it got a recoil reduction buff :)
@iamsancho443
@iamsancho443 2 жыл бұрын
@@bet7299 pen got nerfed to oblivion, I tried it out, full auto is horrific even with the buff.
@mandametricide
@mandametricide 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love some ap rounds for the ppsh and make it more modable
@rodiculous9464
@rodiculous9464 2 жыл бұрын
I agree I'd love to run a tricked out TT but the ammo is just so ass. I run it maybe week 1 of wipe
@hewhoplugwalks
@hewhoplugwalks 2 жыл бұрын
There already exists an AP round in game - 7.62×25 pst gzh. Unfortunately, it has pretty poor pen and mid damage. They ought to buff it imo. And as for mods, not a whole lot they can do. The Papsha wasn't made in an era with modability in mind, thus there isn't a whole lot you can do.
@JukeboxOddities
@JukeboxOddities 2 жыл бұрын
Don't really have a turn to play early this wipe as i usually do. Not enough new stuff to discover and motivation to grind
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Thats fair. I enjoyed the 12.12 early game so it's a bit like take 2 of that, it's OK imo
@valhallagalex
@valhallagalex 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gigabeef I think the biggest difference is lighthouse was a shiny new toy whereas this time we just got a small expansion and some new weapons.
@notoriousriot250
@notoriousriot250 2 жыл бұрын
Instead of buffing the ak rounds they should have buffed m855 5.56 because its really hard to get m856a1 as apposed to BP 5.45 and pp 5.45
@Opachki69420
@Opachki69420 2 жыл бұрын
They convienently left that caliber out of the buffs. Kinda pisses me off
@reysmith1
@reysmith1 2 жыл бұрын
Has ricochet chance been buffed?
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think so but can't confirm or deny
@Arkenvane
@Arkenvane 2 жыл бұрын
Its really annoying they didnt buff penetration on .300 M62 tracer, round is extremely underwhelming for how late you get it being peacekeeper level 3. I guess the gun is still unusable untill endgame, really sucks.
@SirEatsALot94
@SirEatsALot94 2 жыл бұрын
Buffing the pen is always a good thing but it looks like they only touched the soviet ammo to be better, which is BS because the NATO counterparts (5.56 & 7.62) are in every way superior irl.
@MrCustomabstract
@MrCustomabstract 2 жыл бұрын
Why is the US switching to 6.8 instead of 5.56 if it's so superior
@SirEatsALot94
@SirEatsALot94 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrCustomabstract Because the 6.3 has more kinetic energy which makes it more lethal at 200m or less and it gives better results when fired in a short barrel in comparison with the 5.56. If you want long ranged (400m+) dead on accuracy, 5.56 is still the way to go
@vashner
@vashner 2 жыл бұрын
Not just that, they still haven't added more sources to obtain higher pen ammo of the lower calibers (9x19mm, .45 ACP, etc). Raiders don't use it, and for a long while crafting AP 6.3 and .45 ACP AP will be very expensive. And for why? .45 ACP AP and AP 6.3 has considerably worse stats (since they are smaller calibers) than 7.62x39mm PS ammo. I just wish BSG would morph the meta to where more calibers are more viable in gameplay. That's not to say it's impossible to use, you'll just be at a bigger disadvantage, and in Tarkov, any tiny bit of advantage is extremely important.
@telkicelstascal8875
@telkicelstascal8875 2 жыл бұрын
I used to use the Val all the time, that gun is op, basically a budget vector
@drewsbrewcrew
@drewsbrewcrew 2 жыл бұрын
SRS and AKM scavs are going to be scarier now that 7.62 PS is buffed.
@stefannilsson2406
@stefannilsson2406 2 жыл бұрын
I have got shit tons of 7.62x54R BT from my player scav spawning in with the new single shot rifle. I also found an AI scavs with over 80 rounds of it.
@vKILLZ0NEv
@vKILLZ0NEv 2 жыл бұрын
You missed one that I think is important: 7.62x54r PS ammo no longer one taps thorax. The damage has come down from 86 to I think 84 or 82.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Due to damage drop off and armor mitigation it didn't one tap in 12.12 either. Was like 10 meters on nakeds only or something
@Whalester
@Whalester 2 жыл бұрын
why are you bringing up fragmentation on the .300 when the game doesn't use any values above 20%?
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
The game doesn't frag any rounds
@Whalester
@Whalester 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gigabeef actually I'm wrong and your right on this one. I remember it incorrectly.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
No problem! Happens to us all :)
@joeytmandude
@joeytmandude 2 жыл бұрын
@Gigabeef the analysis of SP-5 and SPP is missing one factor -- armor damage percentage. These rounds already chewed through armor with 60 and 55% armor damage, which is irrelevant when the bullet pens. By keeping the armor damage percentage the same and buffing the damage, this makes those rounds even more viable as armor busting rounds, even against high class armor.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not 100% sure on the formula so it's a little tricky to work out the implications BUT there is a dependancy on pen for armor damage itself. So a nerf to the pen is also a nerf to the armor damage
@joeytmandude
@joeytmandude 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gigabeef Oh shit I didn't know it worked that way, thought it was just applied to raw bullet damage. Thanks for the reply.
@soap6264
@soap6264 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using a aks-74u atm that's pretty decked out (nice foregrip, ak12 mags/gen 3 ak mags) and I have gotten into some awesome gunfights with it! (Been using US ammo with it (unfortunately i am running low on US ammo now :( )
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting I started running a 74u today because I picked up a stack of pp rounds!
@soap6264
@soap6264 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gigabeef ooh nice, gl with your raids! (If you find some US ammo try it out, it has barely any recoil)
@JoshDoes
@JoshDoes 2 жыл бұрын
sold all the starter gear it gives me and just get SKS'S having an incredible wipe so far. LVL 12 in like 5 hours. and 2 scav junkboxes almost full
@kabalanstef9636
@kabalanstef9636 2 жыл бұрын
Why not go for VPO stile AK's as they are not more expensive than an sks but you have cheap options for a flashlight and front grip and the 30 round mags vs the 10 round by round internal mags
@sqike001ton
@sqike001ton 2 жыл бұрын
5.45 and .336ap
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Nice choice!
@min0tauer
@min0tauer 2 жыл бұрын
My go-to-round is 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 BP and then M80...That is my Midwipe caliber... I think i didnt play 9x39 this wipe, this rounds are dead.
@unknowngoose8704
@unknowngoose8704 2 жыл бұрын
does 556 get buffed?
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
No changes so far. Some people think camera recoil is better - m4 feels just as scuffed to me so I don't know at this stage
@SBImNotWritingMyNameHere
@SBImNotWritingMyNameHere 2 жыл бұрын
Man they keep nerfing my fav VSS/VAL :( It's CBT at this point
@7550Raul
@7550Raul 2 жыл бұрын
Why would you buff the most popular caliber of bullet? Makes no sense, its already hard to use other calibers as is (excluding .308) Edit: I just saw they nerfed 9x39 LMAO I cant take BSG serious anymore.
@Xerxes17
@Xerxes17 2 жыл бұрын
I would hazard a guess that the 7.62 and 5.45 x39 changes are to take the crown away from 7.62x51's utter dominance of previous wipes where once you got to that calibre, it was what many people would use to exclusion.
@Opachki69420
@Opachki69420 2 жыл бұрын
5.56 users are left to cry in the corner
@britishbeef4890
@britishbeef4890 2 жыл бұрын
Im glad 5.45 is better both performance and cost wise, but i wish m855 got some buffs, maybe less recoil and slightly better pen for vs level 3
@Psychobob
@Psychobob 2 жыл бұрын
The meta is going to be .308 again. It should be super rare to find anything that can pen above level 2 and the traders should only sell "level 2" gear. At higher rep it would be cheaper and they could have barters that change procedurally for small amounts of higher end items.
@fuze3107
@fuze3107 2 жыл бұрын
I like that 7.62x39 AK and MCXs so I like the PS and AP round penetration increase. Even through PS may not be necessary. Don't know about SP-5 Through... why Hate it so much.
@hewhoplugwalks
@hewhoplugwalks 2 жыл бұрын
In terms of gameplay, I can't tell you. It's pretty rough that they'd lower its stats. However, in real life, the 9×39 SP-5 round isn't actually supposed to be an armor piercing cartridge. It's a simple lead core FMJ round. The SP-6 and BP (7n12) are the AP rounds. Though, funny how the PAB-9 is a pretty high tier round, considering it was considered a failed round and was rejected by the Russian military.
@imSeamless_
@imSeamless_ 2 жыл бұрын
I used to use the Val all the time with sp5 cause it was so good at piercing tier 5 quickly. Now it can’t even pierce tier 4 quickly 😭😭😭 Guess I’m not using the Val this wipe 😖
@thepjup4507
@thepjup4507 2 жыл бұрын
which is more true to the real design of the gun and caliber.
@imSeamless_
@imSeamless_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@thepjup4507 I don’t care! I want my shooty shoot back! 😭😭😭
@fatcoommies
@fatcoommies 2 жыл бұрын
MCX was terrible not because of ammunition, but for it's horrendous recoil and AP round limit of 90 pcs per trader reset. they don't spawn on raiders/rogues and you can't craft them, so you have to wait for 6 hours to play a single raid with this gun
@geronimo5537
@geronimo5537 2 жыл бұрын
And yet 556 just remains subpar
@Iguessthislldo
@Iguessthislldo 2 жыл бұрын
I'm fine with the memes about this wipe being all about getting jawed by juiced PP I'm less fine with queue times 😆
@rozkaz661
@rozkaz661 2 жыл бұрын
Finally my love of 5.45 aks becomes viable. I was waiting for buffs like this, times of super budget aks are back. You can run a 74 with barely any atachments and ammo thats suoer cheap and be efective against armor
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
74n okp7 buttpad and a dream!
@hewhoplugwalks
@hewhoplugwalks 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gigabeef Optics? Nyet, rifle is fine. Hand of Mikhail Kalashnikov will guide your round.
@exan6970
@exan6970 2 жыл бұрын
The change was prob made so people with less time on their hands had a better chance in mid/late wipe
@na2cho
@na2cho 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t chase meta’s. Been using ps/bp 7.62x39 since I’ve started many many wipes ago. Then I move up to m995 or 55a1 later on when I rock m4’s. I sprinkle in some 556x46 aks-74u early game too but usually BT ammo which was everywhere on reserve. Bs as well. Another early game variant I’ve used is pp-19-01 pstgzh. Cheap gun that does some decent work early on and is easily modded at low levels. Costs 4 t plugs. Doesn’t get much cheaper than that. Never did the vss/mp(insert number here) metas. Didn’t play much last two wipes either so I def didn’t do the new metas. Imo it’s better to pick a gun you like, that you are used to than chase what “the streamers” are using. Pretty sure people who play tarkov for a living are going to kill you with a TT pistol just as easy as a full meta (insert fotm gun here). Map awareness/pathing awareness/sound/ map knowledge are far more important in general.
@Noobish_Camper55
@Noobish_Camper55 2 жыл бұрын
I just wish they would put these stats in the game in an easy chart. I hate having to watch a 3 hour master course on ammo types instead of just logging on
@orbglorb-zingalorg
@orbglorb-zingalorg Жыл бұрын
7.62 ps didnt need a buff in the first place honestly, but now that it did, i think there's 0 reason it shouldnt be moved to prapor level 2 or locked behind an early quest, just about no reason to use anything else early wipe
@clydeberry8523
@clydeberry8523 2 жыл бұрын
I ran PP through end game last wipe and it was still performing well. I'm honestly a little sad it was buffed because now people will realize how good it is and the flea market stock will get hovered up by cost meta slaves. At least propor is still fixing the market.
@Gigabeef
@Gigabeef 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah still incredibly cheap at prapor 2. I'm selling found BP for 600 a pop and buying pp for 150 or something insane haha
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