Gillo GT 27" Riser Review | Initial Setup and Impression

Gillo GT 27" Riser Review | Initial Setup and Impression | My FIRST BAREBOW Riser

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I finally put my hands on a purpose built Barebow riser! The Gillo GT 27" ILF is quite the riser and has a lot of buzz about them. I get to give my honest feedback and impressions of this riser.
At the end of the video I stumble into an issue that I am working on solving with GILLO directly and will post a follow up video before I get into shooting the Gillo GT.
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@gilomonster6020 4 жыл бұрын

From the Manual Warning! Tightening too much the side grub screws may bring to difficulty in inserting and removing the limbs from the dovetails in the pockets. Vibrations during use may unlock th e side grub screws , if not locked with thread locker . Check them time by time.

@Hybridesque 4 жыл бұрын

Have had a similar issue recently.

@vrs76r 4 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure there is a recommendation in the Gillo GT manual but for those who don’t like reading, you absolutely must use some type of thread lock tape or similar on the 4 outer small grub screws that keep the limb alignment screws tight or you will lose them. I have the GT25 ILF and I didn’t read the manual in full until after I had one grub screw loosen and fall out within the first 50 shots. I was just lucky I was shooting indoors on wooden floorboards and heard the screw hit the ground. I’ve had no sticking issues with Uukha limbs and I liken the feel of the riser to that of texture of chalk!

@Ry8ean 4 жыл бұрын

Going through all your stuff slowly... so much info! Thanks for info Jake!

@GiulianoCini56x2 4 жыл бұрын

Dear Jake, first of all, thanks for your work. I own a GILLO GT and UuKa limbs and I was experiencing as well the problem of removing the limbs luckily I found a solution, or better to say something that is working for me when removing the limbs I apply a small push to limbs the same direction the string does when shooting, as soon as the limb is not in contact with load screw the limb can be relatively easily be removed. My apologies for the usage of the English language but I hope you and whoever is reading can understand. Ciao

@hermltvanlife1256 4 жыл бұрын

Prefix Edit: I should say that the limb pocket design on the GT is the best that I have seen for allowing the maximum adjustment. This is a game changer for recurve shooters. Well-done GILLO. The way I got around tightening the locking grub screw is to insert the limb half way, until the metal of the limb is just in the brass slot, then tighten the locking grub screw. I can then insert and remove the limbs completely (although it is a snug fit) and the locking screws have stayed tight. Another limb fit issue I have with my 25" GT. After some shooting my Limbs have chipped the surface from contact with the limb bolt. Have a look on the underside of the limb bolt head where it has a fillet between the shaft and head. For a snug fit on the limb dovetail on the bolt that fillet will create a small chip on the surface of the limb. All my other risers (Hoyt, Win&Win, MK) have no (or very little fillet) under the limb bolt.

@user-xt4hr1ji6u 4 жыл бұрын

Jake, I've also experienced this limb issue. As mentioned below it's to do with the adjustment screws. In my experience the first set aren't supposed to be very tight. It's the locking screws that are supposed to be tighter. It's also a good idea to periodically check that the lock screws are tight or maybe use medium thread lock. I'm going to test run this riser for a recurve set up as I like the huge limb weight adjustment, and of course the build quality. Paul from Jäger also makes my favourite grip for them too.

@elgrandandy225 4 жыл бұрын

I had the same issue when removing limbs and I've heard others do too. I'm now shooting the new C88's on mine and there is no problem anymore. It seems the GT was made with them in mind. They're a little narrower than a lot of other ILF limbs.

@vittoriofrangilli4939 4 жыл бұрын

As far as limbs getting stuck, this is a normal situation if users don't strictly follow instructions on manual to lock the grub screws after alignment. You should never "tighten" the opposite grub screw of the last one used for alignment. Just let it touch the aligning plate inside, and then lock it by the second grub screw on the same side. Our align system is among the most precise in the market, and we have no intention to lose its tolerances just to allow uncontrolled tightening of the side grub screws. The system is the same for all our risers and perfectly working for 6 years already and several thousands of risers provided that users follow instructions

@sillybilly7467 Жыл бұрын

wow vittorio himself!

@cruzbuddha 4 жыл бұрын

Yep, my G1 has very finicky limb adjustment. Tight is too much (stuck limbs). I carefully back off the grub screws just until the limbs pop in and out then finish with the outer locking screws. Once again, not too tight. Insurance with Vibra-Tite removable thread locker. It feels like the dove-tail is soft and the grub screws compress it, grabbing the limbs. Really looking forward to Part II!

@crocoarchery9882 4 жыл бұрын

Fresh development for barebow riser

@Ordinary_Red 4 жыл бұрын

NUsensei wishes he could review like this😂

@greengamerguy623 4 жыл бұрын

well to be fair this man being an olympian two-time silver medalist in Archery will have a level of knowledge above many, but Nusensei never claims to be at this level and I find him very helpful as a beginner/intermediate archer.

@Ordinary_Red 4 жыл бұрын

@@greengamerguy623oh yeah absolutely! No hate towards NUsensei, he's great! It's just that whenever I'd watch his videos I'd be like "woah this is really in depth, nice!" and then good ol jakers mcKaminskitizer went SUPER in depth, and I thought it was a funny parallel between when I first started shooting and now ^w^ NUsensei rocks! Except for when he made that video about shadibersity. Bad nu. Go to the corner. 😂

@greenhoodedvigilante458 4 жыл бұрын

He has shorter draw length. He is never gonna buy a 27" riser. 😉

@x3roxide 4 жыл бұрын

@augi3 I believe he lives in Melbourne/Victoria and we are currently under stage 4 lockdown. nothing we can do right now except essential shopping and staying at home.

@blackspeed69007 4 жыл бұрын

Archerysupplies Steve would have just done a 10mn video about the colours, and ask to check online to find out anything else... Ho and the riser would still have its tag on it...🤦🏻‍♂️🤣🤣

@wm973 4 жыл бұрын

I also had the problem when I switched from a cheap set of limbs to Uukha limbs. The cheap limbs didn't have this problem. Couldn't get the new ones out. Glad I'm not the only one. Be interesting to see what Jake finds out.

@Hybridesque 4 жыл бұрын

Snap! Had the same when I got some Uukhas. Alignment grub screws were done up too tightly.

@wm973 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hybridesque Thanks. I'll look at mine.

@Hybridesque 4 жыл бұрын

@@wm973 hope that helps

@joshualau8620 4 жыл бұрын

I have mxt gf limbs. I tried to pair them with my titan ex riser from fivics but experienced the same issue as Jake. From that experience I think that it is due to the fact that those pin like things on win win limbs that clip in are longer that other limbs so that causes the limb to get stuck. I had to file those pins down to fit them in.

@grainneo1841 8 ай бұрын

Jake? Can you do an episode to address a stuck-limb-in-ilf-pocket? Ideas, cures (If any) that may not need to require a disassembly of my PSE ILF setup. I was almost ready tie it to my roommate's bf's 4wheel drive and the other end to the house and have him pull it apart when it finally let go. I had one grub screw out, all other limb bolts out. I have had this before, but it is frustrating. I could hang it up by it's holes on dowels and swing from the limb like Jane of the Jungle and it won't come loose. The other limb, no problem. just the one. Maybe your opinion to polish the inside of the dovetail maybe? I have access to a dremel tool. Make it mirror inside the dovetail? or some olive oil out of the kitchen? or spray-on arrow release? Replace with a Hoyt or Gillo riser? Just an idea for an episode. I have noted there seems to be a LOT of people with the issue. Thanks, ~G~

@toxic5000 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jake, Great review! Cant wait for the sequel! Would be VERY interesting to hear your thoughts about this riser for an Olympic setup. The 30% poundage adjustment is such a useful feature.

@Piasecznik72 4 жыл бұрын

I'm no Jake by any means but I'm using my GT 29" in olympic setup and it is great. It is my first bow that feels good to shoot. My DL is 34" so it may be due to be just 29" or due to being GT, or both. Hard to tell. I do not want to go back to my 27" WinWin Nano Max any more.

@toxic5000 4 жыл бұрын

@@Piasecznik72 Thank you for your input! Interesting to know that you find it more comfortable than the nano max! I really wonder how it stands in comparison to other high end risers.

@Piasecznik72 4 жыл бұрын

@@toxic5000 Pivot pocket design makes it unique. ILF in its basic configuration is very limited on adjustment department. Even when your tiller bolt has 15 (as in Nano Max) revolution travel it is limited to 4-6 revs because how pocket dovetail and limb dovetail bolt interacts with each other. It works good only on limited angle. To steep angle will cause dovetail bolt to be pushed out from pocket and/or wear or even destroy dovetail pocket. In Gillo GT limb to pocket is in fixed position and whole pocket is turning instead.

@blackspeed69007 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, Robert 34" DL...! Curious to know what arrows do you use, not many are available in that length!

@toxic5000 4 жыл бұрын

@@Piasecznik72 Yeah, that's why I'm interested, really awesome way to get more from one set of limbs. Also has a cool V bar that mounts on the riser at any angle. I just want to know how it compares to other top of the line risers like the W&W ATF, Hoyt Exceed/Xi, etc in terms of performance, feedback, and other aspects that Jake might have much more understanding than I have.

@martinMD 4 жыл бұрын

I'd like you to do a review one day on the Gray AIX riser and it's dampening bridge . Hopefully on Day

@AlexanderLebedinskiyVC 4 жыл бұрын

On my Gillo GQ I found that if I loosen the brass dovetail locking screw too much during the adjustment, the dovetail itself rises and locks the limb sometimes even scratches it. So instead of suggested 1/4 turn I use maybe 45 degrees turn or less

@staglite 4 жыл бұрын

So I was in one of Jake's coach videos he did a few last week. I have a Gillo GT 27" and I use Win & Win NS-G medium limbs. When saw this video I had to run downstairs and double check my riser to see why my riser didn't have Jake's issues. I mean the NS-Gs are pretty much the same limbs, but on inspection I don't have these issues. Phew! I find it very strange as the Gillo I have is made very well. I'm curious to hear what the cause is and what the fix will be. Edit: I've not adjusted the limb pockets so that is probably why I don't have any sticking issues.

@firstnamelastname9013 4 жыл бұрын

Its a strange one as the screws shouldn't affect anything but the side to side movement of the inserts. Jake should have tried another limb but you would have thought the ilf fittings should be almost identical.

@Piasecznik72 4 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly as I moved only one limb and it is that limb which sticks. Set screws are tight on both ends.

@Markus__B 4 жыл бұрын

Limb fitting seems to be the weak spot of Gillo. Mine did the same. On top of that my G2 had two different Limb Bolts fitted, one of them didn´t fit my Limbs, and one of the conical locking screws was damaged. I have it working and like to shoot it but the Riser I will buy for the upcoming indoor season will be a different Brand.

@7mpowerd 4 жыл бұрын

The grip is definitely nice looking but I absolutely hate the factory G1 grip. I had to take the grip off and shoot directly on the riser to get it comfortable. Once grip less loved it. I definitely considered this over the G1. Agreed on the feel and touch of the riser. It definitely feels odd.

@firstnamelastname9013 4 жыл бұрын

Nice looking riser but the grub screws cant have to be loosened every time you want to remove the limbs surely ! Cant wait to see part 2.

@bigter88 4 жыл бұрын

The limbs sticking when the grub screws are too tight is a known fact amongst Gillo users. It's been discussed on the stupid Archery Talk FITA forum several times.

@TracyPicabia 4 жыл бұрын

Love your profile name tautology. Going to change mine to Dregs McLast

@mattstrada8634 4 жыл бұрын

It's a terrible method of adjustment, you'd think Gillo would have fixed that with the new models.

@steves.5342 Жыл бұрын

I basically had to have a string made almost 70 inches to fit a formula version with Velos limbs. According to Gillo the formula version is actually 27.5 inches. Maybe the fairly severe curve of the limbs needs more string length too.

@airman_85uk 3 жыл бұрын

It would interesting to shoot this as a Olympic style recurve! Looking for a new riser to replace my 27 inch GMX and I’m struggling to find something interesting

@ElkArrow 4 жыл бұрын

Jake, do you have an archery range in your backyard?

@JK-pi8hy 4 жыл бұрын

This is the EXACT issue I had with my G2. I could not pull out my limbs w/o loosening everything first.

@scottiec9835 4 жыл бұрын

The limb sticking is a known issue, don't over tighten the adjustment screws is the Gillo recommendation.

@alexsmith358 4 жыл бұрын

I have this limb alignment system on my two spigarelli bows, neither have any issues with catching the limbs. My wife's gilo also has the issue, as well another club member, It's almost a universal issue and I don't get why it's never been addressed.

@potshot23 3 жыл бұрын

Just wondering how you know your stabilizer is perfectly straight, and the end is square?

@gblan 3 жыл бұрын

Strip them you will. Steel bolts and an aluminum riser is almost a sure thing. All of mine, including the grip threads, have stripped. Teflon tape!

@mmmmbeeeeer 4 жыл бұрын

interested to know how the measured poundage compares to the limb marked poundage when the pockets are set to the centre position. Do you get +/- 15% of the marked limb poundage or do you get close to the marked limb poundage when would 'fully' out? (assuming 28" draw length of course)

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

will post my findings for sure

@steves.5342 Жыл бұрын

I got one in formula, and paired it with my long Hoyt Velos limbs. The 'alleged' 72" string I bought with it (and side by side it is definitely longer than my 70" strings) is too short. Gillo recommends 9.5-10" and this string won't allow a brace height under 10.75, and that's completely unwound.

@x3roxide 4 жыл бұрын

I just received my 19" GT riser. one of the first things I did was check the limb alignment and with my uukha's it was perfectly set. double checked that the grub screws were in tight (they were) so I haven't touched it since I got it. One question I do have though, when changing the draw weight/tiller, you have to loosen the bolts on the side to make the black limb pockets movable (marked as 4mm in manual). for some reason, no matter how tight I go, these remain somewhat movable (not loose enough to move by gravity, but you can push them by hand). I'm curious if other users have the same thing. Not to worried though since the limbs under tension will essentially force the pocket to become perpendicular to the limb bolt. oh and for those who are rounding the heads of bolts, double check that the bolt is not using metric rather than than the usual imperial. Gillo seem to be using metric for their adjustments.

@timh9246 4 жыл бұрын

I'd suggest joining the Gillo Users Facebook page, and ask your question on there. Vittorio seems to be really good at responding to queries. You might need to message the page first saying that you're a new Gillo GT user, so they will accept your request to join the private group, rather than just randomly sending a join request with no details

@timh9246 4 жыл бұрын

And if you didn't want to try the Facebook group, I suspect that Vittorio still keeps an eye on some of the forums such as Archery Talk

@x3roxide 4 жыл бұрын

@@timh9246 thanks for that, just joined the group. will ask ;)

@fugu58 4 жыл бұрын

I have one of the first batch of GT27s and there is a specific warning in the manual about the grub screws and what happens when they are over tightened.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

I barely snugged them, hardly over tightened imho.

@fugu58 4 жыл бұрын

@@JakeKaminskiArchery I found out the hard way since I didn't open the manual before shooting it (I definitely over tightened). I backed them off a little and put purple loctite and hasn't budged since, no permanent damage. I checked my dovetails today for wear marks. They are holding up well since I began using it in November with set up and breakdown 4 times a week minimum.

@qaz3761 4 жыл бұрын

I hope you can try and review the Gray AIX riser in the future.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Id love to as well

@andrewowen3235 3 жыл бұрын

I bought one a few weeks ago Kiara and absolutely love it as a olympic recurve @jake would love to see a full review and your thoughts 👍🎯

@HondoTrailside 4 жыл бұрын

What is the point to a 27" riser? I did catch your comment about preferring the sight window real estate. I would like to know whether there is a size of athlete reason to own a 27" riser. I have only owned 25" risers, and they seem OK. But I an 6' 1" tall, and I have a wingspan of 6' 3" so I have shorter legs, larger torso. But not all that large. Given the 27" riser is a lot more expensive one does not want to make a mistake not buying it, or buying it when it was not required.

@mrnice752 4 жыл бұрын

I use a 27", it gives a wider string angle at my 32"+ draw and puts less strain on the limbs. You are fine with 25" up to 31" draw.

@tomlyles3717 4 жыл бұрын

10:53 - 11:06 thank you, thank you, thank you.

@karl7feet 4 жыл бұрын

Just received my GT 29 on Thursday and took about 50 shots last night, checked my limb pocket grub screws this morning and one was a few turns away from falling out. My riser was missing one of the screws that hold the beautiful grip on and I just replaced that with a screw from one of the packets Gillo provides. My WNS Motive C5 long limbs have no problem being inserted and removed from the pockets. On page 5 of the manual, highlighted in yellow, it does say “Vibrations during use may unlock the side grub screws, if not locked with thread locker. Check them time to time”. It sounds like using Loctite removable blue 242 thread locker on these grub screws is the simple solution to all of this. Is using removable Loctite the answer to the grub screws coming loose?

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

Would be the answer to them vibrating loose, not for the issue I am having.

@karl7feet 4 жыл бұрын

Jake Kaminski Thanks Jake for the reply! You’re right, I was just thinking about myself and my new riser with screws coming loose. Looking forward to part 2 of this review to see the solution. You really do put out a lot of good content, you work hard at it, you’re good at explaining things and your an honest guy, so I just signed up on Patreon to help you out a little. Will be signing up for some video review in a month or so, still have 2 more lessons on a 3 lesson package I signed up for here in Seattle. Keep up the good work, I’m sure everyone appreciates it!! Karl Kramer

@Piasecznik72 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting outcome on limb stuck. I have all my limb set screws tight but when I was adjusting them first time, i only had to change top limb. And guess what, only top limb sticks. I think tight tolerances of everything there makes it difficult to come off if limb pocket dove tail is even slightly off center. GT 29" here.

@striple6752 Жыл бұрын

Hey Jake are you still using the Gillo GT ? Ty

@ennobroede3428 4 жыл бұрын

OK its a cheap riser, but couldnt you review the KINETIC VAULTAGE Recurve Riser, its a Win and Win -Product, and it is really comparable to an official W&W riser, btw whats the difference? that would be interesting for me as a beginner recurve... THX for your good videos!!!

@michelderks 3 жыл бұрын

I have the gillo gt 25 but the plunger hole doesn’t have a lot of thread in the hole. It isn’t sharp like a nut. Is this normal? Scared that I will rip it out over time. Please respond. Really love the channel and helps getting better in my game. Kind regards 🏹

@JakeKaminskiArchery 3 жыл бұрын

Seems to be normal, during the blasting and anodizing process the aluminum looses some material. You should be good just don't over-do it.

@michelderks 3 жыл бұрын

@@JakeKaminskiArchery thank you for replying ❤️. Keep up the good work on the channel 😘.

@adamh1497 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Jake . I have 185cm ,should I buy 27 inch riser?🤔

@alexk.1168 4 жыл бұрын

I just watched the video a second time and I am a bit confused about this plunger to pivot point thing. My first question is: Where is "forward"? For me "forward" is the direction where the arrow flies. But according to the numbers given the plunger is closer to the string (22.5cm, which in my picture is "behind") than the pivot point of the grip (22.8cm). Wouldn't this mean the button is behind the pivot point, not in front? I can hardly await the next part as I'm considering buying a GT myself.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

The plunger hole is forward (towards the target then the grip) they reference the grip to the limb pockets, that's standard for the deflex measurement.

@Piasecznik72 4 жыл бұрын

@@JakeKaminskiArchery But you measured less from string to plunger hole than from string to neck of the grip which means button hole is more toward back on that riser.

@JakeKaminskiArchery 4 жыл бұрын

You are right, my bad. Working on what I remember and behind the grip is correct.

@alexk.1168 4 жыл бұрын

I wish the 27" GT was available in red for all customers. Must be a special edition

@Hybridesque 4 жыл бұрын

Nope, is now available

@timh9246 4 жыл бұрын

Gillo started producing them in red quite recently. Not many sellers have updated their relevant webpages to reflect this,I first saw it on the Lancaster website, then found a comment from Vittorio confirming it was now routinely produced.

@alexk.1168 4 жыл бұрын

Missed that post obviously. Even the gillo homepage is not updated yet. If it is available in red now, I guess I "have to" buy one next month.😅

@andreask.654 2 жыл бұрын

The stabilizer bushing of the Gillo G1 has a 1mm offset. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same with the GT. So maybe the bow was straight before you opened this can of worms. 😉

@JakeKaminskiArchery 2 жыл бұрын

I use the lower stabilizer bushing as a reference on all Gillo bows for this reason.... the riser may be "straight or aligned" but when you add limbs they have interfacing tolerances that must be compensated with the alignment blocks. They exist to allow adjustments and every other bow on the market doesn't lock your limbs into the pocket when adjustments are made, even when done improperly. I wanted to really like the bow as the Frangilli's are excellent people.

@andreask.654 2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Ah, okay! I didn't pay attention to which bushing you were using. Sorry for that! I did it today and... yes, it's nerve wrecking, but it can be done. As you typically do it only once per set of limbs I think it's not a reason not to buy a Gillio. Though without any doubts there is better alignment systems on the market. By the way, your patience was a roll model for me. 😆

@michaelfischer739 4 жыл бұрын

I had these issues with limbs sticking on the GQ, and had the side "bolts" (really small screws..), 4 out of the 8, fall out. Also saw the same "screws falling out" on a number of the G2 risers belonging to club-mates. Let's just say I'm disinclined to purchase another Gillo riser.

@timh9246 4 жыл бұрын

The manuals for the GT and other Gillo risers recommend the use of thread locker on the alignment grub screws. I'm not convinced it's a fault of the manufacturer if people fail to read and follow their recommendations.

@mrnice752 4 жыл бұрын

@@timh9246 How are you meant to align your limbs if you can't tighten the grub screws down before taking the limbs out? If you threadlock the screws in while the bow is strung, how do you know if they are too tight to remove the limbs? Such an impractical design cannot be a feature, and very much looks like a design flaw.

@timh9246 4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make. It is very simple really - thread locker is used for this in the same way it is used in countless mechanical thread applications. Apply thread lock, place the screw/bolt in the required position, and allow time to set. In fact, applied logic will indicate that in this application , thread lock would ony really be required on the outer locking grub screw, as it is impossible for the inner screw to move, if correctly secured between the alignment plate and the outer (locked) locking screw. Also, typical low or medium strength liquid thread lock (such as Loctite 222 and 243) is not like superglue - it does not set in minutes, it takes hours, so there is plenty of time to adjust thread position as required. And it can be broken with normal hand tools when set.

@timh9246 4 жыл бұрын

So in short, simply apply thread locker, adjust the alignment screws as necessary, and check the limbs won't move laterally but can be removed from the pocket. And even if the thread locker has set, provided that the user has enough sense and knowledge to use low or medium strength ones, the grub screws are very easily removed and adjusted still with normal hand tools, i.e. a correct size allen key.

@mrnice752 4 жыл бұрын

@@timh9246 Yes, thanks for that, I know how threadlock works. I'm saying it looks like if the screws are not tight there is play in the brass plate, but if they are tight he can't remove the limbs. If you threadlock the screws in while the bow is strung and aligned, how do you know if they are in too tight? If you take the limbs out to threadlock, how do you know if they are aligned as there is movement in the plate? Every other manufacturer has designed a system that is intuitive and doesn't require buying another product to complete set up. I've not seen the system, maybe Jake's is defective.. But from other commenters on the video saying they/others at their club had the same problem, it looks like a design flaw to me.

@peternguyen1911 4 жыл бұрын

"Exotic curves?". That sounds curvist!

@peternguyen1911 4 жыл бұрын

The limbs getting stuck is a common Gillo riser problem

@71Dana 4 жыл бұрын

I wanted to buy a Gillo, or a Spigarelli, however both manufacturers consider left handed archers as not worth catering to. Most of their models don't have a left handed version, or only available in two or three colors, & needed to be custom ordered from the manufacturer. Hoyt Xceed was available in left hand in every color, with every major supplier having stock & competitive pricing. No brainier really.

@Hybridesque 4 жыл бұрын

Gillo do make LH risers