Very true, I use to be like him but instead I was blind and not aware that I was living that way. I lived 17 years of my life for myself, desperately finding ways to make me happy. Searching for things that would make me whole, living my life by how I felt and never by truth. Believing that there was nothing wrong in life. One day that soon came tumbling down on me, I was having serve panic attacks and God revealed the truth to me. That the way I was living was wrong, the way I treated people was wrong, that the only way I could have a fulfilled life was threw him. He woke me up, and here I am now building a relationship with God trying to follow his commandments, all Glory to God for that. Jesus is our king and he will return.

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i disagree, i think he is speaking the truth in as nice a way as humanly possible

I was hoping Cliffe would have addressed that.

right XDDD or that everyone has a family and friends .

You see and hear so many people die at young ages, we never know when we will have our last breath, my nan was only 52 years old and her bowels burst which killed her. Should live everyday like its our last.

That's a fair point Billy, not all of us are lucky to have a loving family, but I'm sure that kids at an orphanage are loved by the people who look after them. People go to prison for a multitude of reasons.. there are rules in life that we're all aware of, and if you break those rules, you can end up in prison, that's a sad fact of life. It was a great discussion i think. I hope you are well.

Yep. He is young and has prob been well loved & provided for by his family. But anything can happen in life, give him another 10, 20 or 30 years and Im sure his family & friends now are not gonna all be the same, nor all be there for him, heck they could be dead, betray him or he himself could get a deadly disease. Then he might question what he puts his faith in. Also, what would he say right now to orphans, or children terribly abused by their parents. I could go on. Cliff did a good job. I hope this young man goes away & thinks about it, I hope he searches the truth and finds Christ. I am 41yrs and I have had all sorts of pain, trauma, unfairness, betrayal...and Christ is the only rock in my life. I have hope, peace & joy through Him...it cant be found anywhere else - not long term anyway. Look at the world at the moment, corona etc....I have peace, because Jesus said in Matthew that these things would be coming upon the earth. We are getting closer to His return. If you dont know Jesus, please seek Him, pray and ask for Him to reveal Himself to you. Read the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John in the bible to begin with. Read the book ' The case for Christ'. You are valued, loved & have a purpose. 💜

@@f63858 Do you know how many people have thoughts that Christs return is just around the corner?, more than you could possibly imagine Fi. And they've been wrong every single time. Of course you could be right, but, what I'd ask you, if he came back tomorrow, in some small little town somewhere in the world, how are you going to know its him.. if a man claimed he was the son of God, would you believe him? .. I guess you'd want some kind of verifiable proof wouldn't you. .. and even if he proved it to you, there's over 7 billion people on the planet, so hows he going to prove it to the entire world? It all just seems too fanciful to me.

@@bonnie43uk christ isnt going to return in a quiet unnoticable way. read how we wil come back. its says it will be epic, you obviously don have to believe but jesus is who he said he was.

@@GrantJolanta Hi my friend. Just because it says so in a book doesn't mean it's true. I don't believe all those old stories, you obviously do, and thats ok. Good luck to you.

@@bonnie43uk hi bonnie, Jesus said the old testament was his word, and if you read the gospels as literal histroy, as history scholars do, he claimed to be god, performed miracles, lived a life like no other and rose fromt he dead. in the old testament god prophesised about the coming of christ, and the date when israel would beome a nation again in 1948, im sorry this is in russian kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rpeBgrF2yKnYpp8.html but if you turn on the subtitles you can understand how the bible had prophesised about so many events that have already happened, and all that is left after corona is chiping people micro chip to artificial intellignece, the rebulidin of temple on jerusalem which is happening now that jerusalem was amde also the capital state not tel aviv, and then jesus returns to judge the world, so receive his forgiveness before its too late. i think this one is actually in english its so werid how bible talked about these things, so if it says all that is left is a few years now before christ returns who is to say that final things wont come to apss aswell. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bKemq7Nm1bi7o40.html

He came across as a pretty rational and logical thinking student, Cliffe seemed a bit taken aback when he said he had no desire to live forever, saying it was a scary thought, i tend to agree with him. What Cliffe views as an awful finality to death if you don't believe in God, many of us dont see it like that at all.. it'll be akin to having a nice long sleep that never ends... that seems pretty cool to me. When you think about it, you go into that state every night when you are in a deep sleep and not dreaming.. when you wake up, you dont freak out because you can't recall being in a conscious state.. you just accept you weren't aware of anything for a few hours.. it's natural, .. well, when you die, that non-conscious state goes on a bit longer .. forever in fact.. but you wont be aware of it. Enjoy the time while you are here if you can.

bonnie43uk Jesus said by their fruits you will know them. Fruits not words. Fruits. Actions is how you truly know a person. People that have no desire to live kill themselves. They don’t speak about it. And that is just a subjected limited view of reality not one that God speaks of and promises. Bonnie sleep is not the same as death. Do not kid yourself. Many people have had NDE which after changed their lives forever. Sleep alone does not do that. Sleep is a natural process I enjoy life everyday and I give thanks to God for it.

@@onestepaway3232 You are absolutely right that sleep is not the same as death, i was simply making the comparison that when you are in a deep sleep state, as we all go into at some point at night, we're not aware of anything. It's my belief that death will be pretty much the same.. we wont be aware of it. It's nothing to worry about as far as I can see. Again, you are correct, sleep is a natural process. So is death. I think where we differ is what happens to us as conscious beings when we are 'dead'.. you believe there is some type of afterlife. I dont. I did however strongly believe in NDE's about 30 years ago.. i was convinced by peoples testimonies. Over time however, I began to realize that NDE's can be explained by science, when our bodies suffer trauma of some type, it can trigger off endorphins in the brain, which trigger a chemical that cause hallucinations of the type we hear about in these NDE's. Make of that what you will.

bonnie43uk How should the body react when the biological clock runs out? Not sure how that is a convincing argument. You are a biological machine made up of various systems all working together. Do you know how many systems your body has? Seems because these systems during death does different things it proves there is nothing beyond death. Seems you put a lot of faith on science to answer where you came from and where you are going. Problem is science cannot demonstrate or show you that. Why can’t you see your thoughts bonnie? Why can’t you see physical processes create things? Why are these mechanisms hidden? Why can’t anyone make a new flower seed from any form of matter? You know create something new from matter around us

@@onestepaway3232 Great questions, .. I'm not a scientist, there is a ton of stuff that science doesn't know, science, as I'm sure you know, is simply the process of working out how things came to be the way they are, and how they work. Because we don't know, religions invent answers to these questions. I'd love to meet the guy who wrote Genesis whoever that was, .. for it's time, it was a pretty impressive effort to explain a lot of things. As science has gone forward though, we've been able to answer a lot of questions that have superseded what was previously believed.

He posts on every video looking for 100 replies if he can for the rest of his life

Indeed. I'd like to think I can still be friends with someone who is a Christian or a Muslim or holds other views which appear to conflict with my current understanding of reality, especially as I was with them once hahaha lol. Cliffe often asks those questions "what are you living for?" and "where is the evidence for it?" and, yes, they are interesting questions, as well as tricky ones to answer and this particular student gave reasonable answers on this occasion. The problem I have with the way Cliffe asks these questions is he seems to be trying to use peoples difficulty in answering those questions as an argument for his position by implying that if someone is struggling to answer those questions, that this is a great reason for them to think "oh well, I might as well be a Christian then seeing as I have no more evidence for what I am living for now than I do for Jesus Christ". As far as I am concerned, even if someone turned around and said to him "well, Cliffe, to tell you the truth, I'm not living for anything much and hands up, the little I am living for I've got no evidence for", that still wouldn't get Cliffe any nearer to justifying Christianity like he seems to think it does. At best it would be a last-resort desperate "what have you got to lose?" argument and you could use that argument for Islam or any other belief systems. Cliffe tries hard though, I'll give him 'A' for effort, I wish the God he believes in would make even half as much effort to talk to us all as Cliffe does but it seems like this God prefers us to play along with his "they seek him here they seek him there" games and let an old book and people like Cliffe do all his talking for him. Yet we are told that at some unknown time in the future this God is going to come out of hiding and judge us for doubting his existence, which makes even less sense lol, it's like, God will say to us "why did you doubt I was real?" and we will reply "well because you didn't show yourself to us like you are now so how could we have known for sure?" God will then say "that's no excuse, in the fire you go", this is supposed to be coming from the "most infinitely intelligent being of all" lol.

@@JohnCashin I agree John ( surprise surprise, lol). Living for the joy of living is a good enough reason to live i think, ..there is so much in life to enjoy, if belief in Jesus does it for you, that's great, go for it. But there's a ton of reasons to live. Did you see that documentary on the Hubble space telescope on BBC2 last night John?... what an incredible achievement for mankind, and what incredible pictures of the universe it's sending back for us to see.. watch it on catchup if you can. The whole story of Hubble, and us having to go back up to fix it's lenses was amazing. As that kid in this video said... we invoked Gods throughout mankinds history, to try and answer questions that we knew nothing about.. believing in a God filled that gap, ... but as science has found out more and more, we don't need the God answer now. Well, some do, and some of us don't.

@@mr.s7522 Not at all Sweenz, it doesn't bother me if I don't get any replies, I enjoy watching the debate. I thought this student answered the questions as openly and honestly as he could.. and i happen to agree with his answers. That's ok with me if you agree with Cliffe. It's good that we have different opinions :-)

You're contradicting yourself. You say we're not born with an ultimate purpose, but then you, quite correctly, asserted that we tend to happiness. According to Natural Law, that's what our common goal or purpose is - to achieve the happiness that satisfies our deepest innate longings. It happens that we search around for this highest good and some of us due to one circumstance or another find ourselves stuck and addicted to some type of finite good that doesn't satisfy this natural longing. And because we can't imagine our lives without that finite good, we cling to it even when we are experiencing its side effects. In such misery, we convince ourselves that maybe we are not meant to be ultimately fulfilled; that there's nothing like ultimate happiness. Those who are suffering and have no hope of ending their suffering will see no reason to continue living and therefore end their lives. As Albert Camus asked, in the light of the despair which life seems to be, why not commit suicide? For more insight, read anything on Natural Law, and also on [history of] Ethics. I have to remind you of these: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mJ-SftWhl9Xbm6c.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jq6dh8apvq7eqWw.html

Sounds like your on a journey to seek the truth...good on you. Cosmic skeptic has good conversations with Christians as well that are very sincere and informative.

Those men helped me strengthen my faith. In some sense, they are actually doing some good.

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 I admired Hitchens, he was funny. He compared God to a dictator of a celestial North Korea.

Weird.. I woke up thinking Star Trek could have been a prophecy the name Scotty has some kind unknown biblical connotation to it. "Beam me up, Scotty."

@@bryanhk1982 Saw a great episode of the original series last night.. i think it was series 1, ep 20. Considering when it was made, it dates very well.

“I’m sure it was the same” nice assumption there bud.

permanent sleep . ? You mean eternal hell .

What are you doing right now? Why are you shoving your beliefs down people's throats?

Hey, shockofgod, here's a question for you, what is your view on the killing of people accused of witchcraft in Medieval times throughout Europe?

Don't come to these videos and leave the comments about how fake Christianity is then quote Jesus. That's cringeworthy, dude.

I'm not Cliffe, but I have seen him answer these issues. 1. Cliffe usually refers to the Gospels for evidence, not the Bible as a whole. Cliffe defines evidence, as do I, as information that points to a conclusion. Cliffe does acknowledge that science is testable. However, the existence of God is not a scientific question. It's a philosophical question. So no, there is scientific test to show God exists. We cannot show you a liter of Holy Spirit or a 10 milligrams of grace. Instead, the question is "What best explains the reality that we have?" 2. So, there are no Muslims who became Christians, no Christians who became Buddhists, no Buddhists that became Hindus? Everyone is just stuck believing whatever mommy and daddy told them was true? The vast majority of atheists in the west grew up with some sort of religious parents. Why does your theory not take them into consideration? 3. Either one of the religions is true or none of them are. That's correct. Actually, it's refreshing to hear someone say that instead of saying "All religions are equally valid.". The question is what is the evidence for what you believe? 4. You made a couple points here. I'll get to the main point in a second but first, let's judge your incredibly judgmental statement that finding someone's statements to be intellectually dishonest or lazy or illogical is judgmental. Are atheists the only ones allowed to judge what other people believe without being called judgmental? Is there something about being judgmental is inherently wrong? Certainly not from an atheist worldview, nor from a Christian worldview, so what is the problem? Also, I'd wager a guess that you don't have a problem with judgments, just judgments you don't like. I seriously doubt that if a woman came up to you and said "You look really nice today" you'd respond "How dare you be so judgmental!" Let's try to be honest in our objections, please. Ok, onto your main point. You're a pianist and creating music for your friends, your family, and those around you gives you meaning. Ok. Now, what if, God forbid, something were to happen to your hands? You can't play piano anymore, or most instruments for that matter. According to you, your life is now meaningless. Not according to Christ. According to Jesus, your purpose, your meaning, your value is not based on the ability to play piano. Instead, your purpose is to love and worship God and to love and serve your fellow man. You can do that with 2 hands, 1 hand, no hands, as a paraplegic, quadriplegic, as an athlete, as a fat gamer sitting at his computer. 5. And how is making the most of your life any different from not making the most of your life if there is no God? What is the difference? You're here 60-80 years then you're gone, forgotten, everything you build, everything your worked for turns to dust, people eventually don't know or believe you even existed in the first place. So why not be a lazy bum who makes nothing out of his life? Or how about this, yes, be successful in life. Be a successful drug lord responsible for millions of deaths and countless people suffering. Have billions of dollars and live a nice cushy life until you die, never having been convicted of a single crime or having spent a single day in prison because you have the best lawyers. If atheism is true, evil wins. Hitler got away with genocide. There's no justice for him. If atheism is true, then MLK Jr's reward for all his hard work was the same as Abe Lincoln's: A bullet to the brain. That's dispair.

And how did God create you?