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I genuinely thought ESAM was about to suggest giving Pikachu Electric Wind God Fist when he brought up Pokken.

TCNick saying Lucina needs a projectile is the smash bros equivalent of “A Modest Proposal”.

I feel like for Mario there’s a no brainer answer that is a representation of the entire series and replaces a very non-fundamental move with a very fundamental move. D-air being a ground pound makes perfect sense

Dabuz now officially holds the title of "most casual description of a terrific nightmare"

What I learned from this video: don't let Dabuz design Olimar's moveset for Smash 6.

If Zeltik's Dead Man's Volley is meant to be Ganondorf's anti-zoning tool, I would give it the caveat that only melee attacks deflect it (effectively making it transcendent against enemy projectiles). This wouldn't affect every zoner matchup equally (Mega-Man would worry while Min Min wouldn't), but it would be a start.

59:12 The ender pearl can be purchased from a cleric villager, so having the move use an emerald resource makes even more sense

The ultimate SSBU content creator collab.

MockRock: Hey Dabuz what move for Olimar would you change? Dabuz: yes

Tcnick and Dabuz just making their favourite characters op and I respect that

everyone: adding cool mechanics and moves from their characters popular games WhyDo: GIVE ME MY FAIR BACK

Look Gary there I am!!

Honestly shocked that Jigglypuff didn't gain a Fairy-type move here but maybe that will appear in the follow-up video. PJiggles' Bounce still sounds fun and I hope he also got the Shulk segment further into the video

No way Vernias wants Kirby to have 13 total jumps 😭

Kirby needs it man

That Gooigi idea is so awesome. Luigi having a gameplan as cool as a puppet character as opposed to just being a grab gimmick would be awesome

Wolf is perfect. Don’t you dare touch my main good boy. “Wolf gets double machine guns.” Go on…

It's crazy to hear you say "heavyweight projectile swordfighter" is your dream archetype because that's also exactly mine

I love how Dabuz idea is to basically make Olimar into Rosalina

The video turned out great! I really loved most of these recommendations, it shows a lot of care and thought, and really, REALLY makes me wish that, in the next Smash game, they get more liberal with altering past character's movesets. Great to see everyone else join in, too! Originally I was heavily considering giving Toon Link a move/item from The Minish Cap, but for a similar reason as to why you didn't give Young Link any masks, it would've felt weird to have everything else about Toon Link be from Wind Waker, and just throw in a Minish Cap move. Though, to be fair, Young Link himself isn't very consistent in his own character, since in Ocarina of Time he can't use bows or hookshots. I think if they reskinned those two items (alongside the sword and shield) to look more like the Majora's Mask counterpart, that could've worked a lot better, and adding a mask move that cycles between a few would be dope. But for Toon Link, I dunno, he feels a lot more specifically "Wind Waker". This topic is a really fun one to discuss, and even if my knowledge about the series represented in Smash is heavily... lopsided... it's still super interesting to theorize about different, potentially better movesets! Great video again, and I hope you have an awesome new year :)

Maybe for Mario's hammer, it could do something where it does extra damage if you hit the attack button at the moment you hit the enemy, they did something like that in Mario and Luigi I think

23:35 "In Kid Icarus, the harp is a rare item Pit can find which immediately converts all hostile enemies in the vicinity to healing items that Pit can pick up." But...the harp only gives out mallets/hearts, and the hearts in the game are a currency, not a healing item.

Thank you Thank you Thank you for doing the hammer spin for Dedede! It’s one of my favorite moves in the Kirby series and Dedede having a relatively fast burst movement option would be my dream.

For Chrom and Lucina, I'm surprised neither chose to use a javelin as their projectile. This could be a reference to their promoted Great Lord class that has access to lances rather than a class they have to change into.

The Captain Falcon taunt hitbox would be SO funny.

Very epic Still wish we had KH2 Sora 😔

I think giving Lucina a Bow is a stretch. Instead, I’d give her a Javelin since the Great Lord class that see promotes to gets access to lances. It’d still be a projectile, but it would make more sense than a bow and arrow.

I think, especially after inkling proved it could work mechanically, characters should have a "shield+B" special. And moving the large number of counters to the shield special slot.

I’d love to see an entire moveset revamp for characters like Ganon and Sonic from you, honestly. That Isabelle idea was genius, by the way. Love it.

the dabuz segment made me laugh hysterically and not stop for half an hour, he's such a great dude lol

For Pikachu. Volt Tackle makes a lot more sense. Only he can learn it in the games, and it’s one of his signature moves in the anime. It should obviously replace his side special which is just a clone of Luigi’s. It should damage him just like Charizard’s Flare Blitz since both moves have the exact same properties except a different element. And the way that it works could be similar to Wario’s custom shoulder bash move that was added in project Melee and Smash 64 remix.

wait that pac-man clip at 46:10 was absolutely nuts what the hell was that

I can't get over how you edited Zeltik's bit like one of his own documentary-as-hell videos. Well played.

When Wing Kirby was mentioned, I first thought “what if he did the shuttle loop?” And then I remembered that’s just Meta Knight’s up-air.

Almost as big of a crossover as Ultimate itself

Something I think would be super cool (and gets more Mario Sports rep in the game) is to also have Wario do a vocalization whenever he uses his ground-pound down air: “Butt Smash!” It comes from Mario Strikers Charged, and, as an additional perk, buries opponents in that game. This could be a way to make it a better stall-and-fall then most of them

Super cool video idea and a really fun watch! Also imagining Kirby having 10 jumps immediately made me think of Kirby jumping and just stalling under the stage for the whole match

I was thinking that since Link already has 2 versions of spin attack (one for aerial one for grounded), his aerial version would be revalis gale, and his grounded would add a stun/electric effect if charged fully for urbosa's fury. His shield would have a neat Daruk animation (purely graphical), and dying would trigger a mipha's grace animation on respawn.

"If a new move already exists as an item, I'm fine with that. Remove it if needed" I definitely appreciate the foreshadowing for giving one of the Pits the sniper staff

Ender pearls are obtainable via emeralds through the cleric villager. Whilst it's not guaranteed that a cleric has this trade, this trade has been used in multiple speedruns of Minecraft and is a common strategy for 1.16+ Any % Glitchless. So having emeralds be used for ender pearls makes complete sense.

I don't know about giving Reefslider to Inkling. Like you said with Joker and Bayo, making the change fit in with their moveset is important, and Inking using a special with her Final Smash and ...side B? Also if it was side B it would have to have a much smaller explosion hitbox which would take away the power you feel using it in Splatoon 3. I would keep Roller as side B and make dash attack an Inkbrush roll, with a popup hitbox for combos. Unrelated, but as bonus for more weapon diversity I would change the animations for roll and shield become a Dualie dodge roll and Brella shield respectively Still, loved the video! Great sendoff to 2022 :)

That Duck Hunt up special is an awesome idea. Way more iconic than the current flappy bird.

Kirby’s forward tilt should reference one of the most popular ability in Kirby’s games, beam, instead of a kick for his forward tilt, he would whip out his beam staff and wave it in front like he does in the games

When TCNick started talking about a project for Lucina, I was kinda excited, but then he made it the bow. I suppose it’s still a good reference, but she can use lances in her Great Lord class so if I had to choose a projectile it would absolutely be a javelin.

Content creators collaborating and being featured on videos is so great to see, it really makes it feel like it's a community. This is the biggest crossover since Endgame.

I’m super excited to see this video! I feel like smash definitely has a chance for updated moves, particularly with the older characters.

Bit of a correction on Hero-It's less that they've never represented critical hits outside of final smashes before, but HOW critical hits were demonstrated changed as smash's design philosophy became more extreme and literal. Marth and Roy's tipper and hilt mechanics IS critical hits, just represented through them having to get specific spacing to get the extra damage. Older smash games used abstraction in playstyle to represent broader mechanics like that, and in a way I kinda miss when characters were more abstract rather than the super literal translations these days

Yknow Vernias's segment really makes me think, it'd be quite interesting if Kirby could be a kind of stance character, with each special changing his copy hat and making his normals different, whether totally different or just changing hitboxes data. Like the hammer would be easy enough to tweak for most moves for side B with slower bigger harder hitboxes, and like Vern said Wings could replace up b making for slightly longer but still relatively fast and weak hitboxes (and obv the up b jump change adding hitboxes to them), though down b would probably have to be completely redone to be another copy ability. ...though that would kind of work awkwardly with the swallow which HAS to stay there, maybe instead of one move for every char, they could have a few movesets that would be shared amongst a few different characters, could be an interesting video to categorize Smash characters by what copy ability they would fit into (though likely not fitting your channel) but I'm putting too many ideas into one comment lol Obviously all infeasible dev time wise but interesting to think about design wise

I feel like some things like “Mario’s forward smash eats projectiles to reference how it behaves in his home series and has a timing mechanic too” feel very muddied to me, like it’s not fitting a general design direction and instead just want to reference for the sake of reference. A simple hammer swing would be enough, are these kind of things just for the sake of making the reference stronger all that necessary? That’s how I feel at least

Such a great video - thanks for your dedication. They're all very thoughtful additions which Nintendo should take note on. I was thinking Donkey Kong could have a barrel that you throw to a certain position and it would orient itself randomly (up, down,left,right,diagonal up-down-left-right). Depending on which way the barrel lands determines whether the player should use it defensively or offensively. You could throw opponents into it and it would quickly shoot them out. Or jump in it yourself to help recover. Again, great job on this video !

36:20 A cool addition would also be if you could jump at the apex of this dash attack!

I love how you found a way to not change falcon but give him a taunt like luigi

Forgot to comment earlier, but GOATED list of creators, sir. You did incredible with this video, both in style and substance. Also, I adore the rock Pikmin in the thumbnail. Excellent touch.

Good to see so many great creators coming together

Honestly, I appreciate the change you made to Yoshi. I was thinking you were gonna include something from a Mario game appearance, but you went outside the box, I like it! There are a lot of "character flies freely" Up Specials in this video though, so maybe we should consider replacing one of his moves with fire or ice breath, as a reference to the melons

33:50 I think a better way to handle Power-Up Punch as a jab would be to have it be tied to aura rather than usage. Basically a Ganondorf-like jab that gains slightly more knockback the more aura Lucario has.

I really like the idea of pulling something from the original Kid Icarus for Pit. Tbh I'd actually like to see him be rebuilt with mostly that game in mind while Dark Pit keeps the Uprising stuff.

Watching Mario strikers even for 10 seconds gave me chills. I love that game to no end.

When ESAM suggested giving Samus something with ice, what I imagine is replacing the super missile with the ice missile. I feel like you don't see the super missile much at all in Smash so giving it more unique attributes would be cool.

On this topic i still feel that mac's counter should inflict some kind of stun instead of just being a hit. Its the main mechanic of his game damnit

I definitely think Mythra's forward Smash should be based off Rex's Double Spinning Edge art for something akin to Sheik or ZSS'. When Mythra has the Massive Melee Mythra aux core equipped (which changes her appearance to give her the Smash Bros tights), she can reach a crit rate of over 50%. She also has a skill that recharges her arts if she can land a crit. When the highest level of this skill is unlocked, this makes spamming Double Spinning Edge the optimal strategy when using Mythra because it hits twice and thus has double the chance to crit. Double Spinning Edge with Mythra is something of a meme that I think should definitely be part of her kit.

Ok at first I wasn't on board with replacing down smash yoyo but after hearing your Lucas up smash parallel im sold

Love how excited Dabuz always seems for the characters he plays :)

SO many good ideas here. -I actually thought of the Mario hammer side smash too! Such a glaring omission in Smash. -G&W's Pinball down tilt would work well enough, but it's very funny to consider when you look at his down tilt from Melee and see that it's...basically the same thing. His _current_ down tilt is clearly a Manhole reference, but the original one just looks like flipping a mat of some kind, not far off from the pinball flipper idea. It even had the same proposed functionality-a decent poke and combo launcher. Oh how the mighty have fallen. -Ryu's V-Trigger mechanic sounds good, but more importantly I think it would complete representing the whole SF series. SFI's system of all 3 attack strengths being on the same button*; SFII's sound effects; SFIII's parry; SFIV's Focus Attack; and now SFV's V-Trigger. (*Early SFI cabinets had 2 big buttons where you'd punch them lighter or harder for the different attack strengths, it was only later that they got rid of this. It sucked for many reasons.) -Back Knuckle is a good idea for Terry, but probably only if you could cancel into it from jab 1, like how in KoF you can cancel normals into command normals. Otherwise, if it was slower, I think most players would end up just using down tilt instead since it's fast and would still start the same combos. (And I wish Rising Tackle was a proper DP motion, maybe it could be a backward DP? I just hate charge moves...)

Damn that Kirby idea is straight fire.

Dude, thank you for the long-form content. I'm a lifelong gamer who just got my switch recently, and these videos along with the 4 hour BotW video have been amazing material to pass the time at work while I daydream of 'Tendo! Thanks for the kahntent, Mister!

Great video! Every creator felt important and able to contribute extra. Love the content man!

Characters like Kirby, Young Link, Ganondorf, Wario, and Sonic can really benefit from new moves that accurately represent how they are in their own games (especially Ganondorf since he has very few moves from his source material, his archetype in Smash doesn't accurately represent how he fights in the Zelda series, and is still cloned from Captain Falcon).

I don’t think this man realizes that he’s giving inkling Steve’s minecart Except it’s faster And invincible while traveling And kills the same while moving forward Obviously these things would change, but I love the idea

Nice video! Love the guests, especially TCNick

50:45 Fire Emblem crit animations are actually so epic

The way the bulborb pikmin was described sounds like a low damage mii swordfighter tornado that pierces shields

You mention the whole 'not using moves from unreleased games' when stuff from like Luigi's poltergust up to Roy being an unreleased character for its time was a thing for Smash for so long.

Love the content Mockrock, keep up the great work man!

For Chrom and Lucina I'd argue giving them both a javelin instead of a bow and or axe. In Fire Emblem Awakening they both start as the Lord class, which can only directly upgrade into the Great Lord class. Said class unlocks the use of lances, which include javelins. Edit: switched "spears" for "lances".

So, I was watching this video in the background with a couple of friends while we were playing Minecraft. As a joke we play the Dream speedrun music in the background while we play (it's ironic). The bit about the enderpearl and trading came out and we all just burst out laughing, and it took us a while to get back into the game This probably makes 0 sense to like most of you but I still wanted to say this

As a regular Byleth-player, I would love if their DownB was your interpretation of Raging Storm. And Shulk's Monado Purge could potentially make him a viable pick against Amiibos. And yeah, Ike is great.

DK : switch his dash attack for his side B. The roll. Jump cancelable like in the games. The dash attack would then be something that I didn't think of because iv got more exciting ideas. I would give his a Zair. A slow air grab that directly put in cargo. And if you want to be crazy I would also replace his aerial up B for a canon.

It would he hilarious if in the next smash bros Mario had a secret way to make his voice made by Chris Pratt

I actually had the same idea about Lucario getting Power-Up Punch, it's a move he's been getting more and more known for similar to Aura Sphere and Bone Rush However, I thought about it more as a Side B replacement, especially imagining how it works in Pokemon Unite where Lucario charges and then dashes forward. The longer it's held, the stronger the attack is, plus when used it gives Lucario an Aura boost similar to what you said, though I would scale it to how long it's charged as well I love Force Palm and it is currently one of Lucario's few kill confirms, but PuP would give him so much more in options. Though even still I agree that jab needs to be changed regardless lol Love this video idea

I think Samus's dash attack might be based on the Speed Booster already, given how similar it looks to the version in Dread.

Nice seeing a bunch of other creators that i love, especially TCNick, vernias, whydo and jiggles

51:20 as a resident Splatoon nerd: Reefslider would make for a great final smash (since it's a special weapon) but it would not represent the concept well if it was even a moderately repeatable move. I like the roller being moved to a dash attack, but dualie dodge roll or a charger long-range attack would be a lot more fitting as a standard move

I really, *really* wish mario had the mid-air dive that he does in odyssey/sunshine/64 as his side special. One of my favorite parts of controlling him in those games, and it would be a really cool movement option in smash, depending on how it was implemented. Also, make it edgecancelable, because everything should be edgcancelable, because it's a sick mechanic and I love it.

EYYYYYYY is da boiiiiiiis, vern and Toxic Cring Carried Nick!

Hear me out: Pichu’s ukulele from the Ranger spin-off series. Pokémon spin-offs as a whole have been almost completely ignored amongst Smash representation, and this would allow Pichu to have a unique Neutral Special not shared with Pikachu that still utilizes electricity for the self-damage mechanic. Faster start-up is compensated for by the higher end lag of having to put the ukulele away.

Ganondorf : I had this idea for a while by this video improved it. What if he had a reflector on his neutral B, his cape, you hold it like jokers revolt. But if you hold it long enouth without reflecting anything. Or by replacing the projectile absorbed. He would throw the volley ball of darkness I already can't remember the name.

it was always bizarre to me that Pikachu doesn't punch in its pummel animation. it does like a cartoon "I'm gonna get you" pose in its grab, holding up its fist and everything, but then it just headbutts :/

How on earth have I never seen helicopter yoshi before? That’s so cursed and adorable wtf 💀 Super fun idea and all the cameos were super fun

Juniors Tilts are a write-off at the moment. Make them all generic Tilt attacks with the brush, but also paints an "M" on the floor in front with Down Tilt, sends out a weak paint projectile with Forward Tilt, and paints an 'M" on low platforms with Up Tilt. These M's cause a trip, if the opponent walks over them or lands on them. As an Easter egg, FLUDD could remove them.

For sonic I heavily disagree, theres a move people complain about for the sake of redundancy so often: Side B, and theres an iconic thing that has dominated sonic's game design from 2008 to 2017, the boost, replace sonic's side special with boost, have it work similarly to wonderwing but on a meter that you charge by hitting enemies like in the games, and you're golden.

One more effect that bounce should have is that it is more like a charging move. In the sense that you don't have to hold the button down to keep using it. You're just put in the bounce state once used. At that point, you should be able to cancel the bounce with a jump or air dodge. That would make the move ridiculously entertaining because it makes jiggs harder to predict in the air. It would be like fighting an even more air focused Ribbon Girl from arms. Minus the ridiculous range.

Hey, thanks for using my Smash Flash 2 footage! :D

You won't be able to convince me that PJiggs isn't just a PM Wario player lmao. His idea for bounce is 1 to 1 with Wario Dair in project M

I really love the idea of Little Mac having his Star mechanic and the Star Punch, and have thought about it for years at this point. Personally I wouldn't give him stars just for landing consecutive hits, but he could gain them by hitting opponents during the start-up frames of their attacks like how you can gain Stars in Punch-Out by very specifically timing punches to interrupt the opponents' attacks, or by hitting them during the start-up or end-lag of rolls and dodges. Would also be a great, fitting little detail if you get a Star for hitting the opponent while they taunt.

Hearing Thems Fightin Herds music was really jarring. Glad someone else likes it as much as I do

An idea I always had for Kirby was a tether grab with yarn. It would be a great representation of Epic Yarn

Ultimate Enemy is a track I see people sleep on, was greatly surprised when you used it in the video!

The one part of Sora that I thought was bizarre was that they used a sort of "pseudo command deck" style from BbS, Re:Coded, and DDD for his neutral special even though he's primarily based on KH1. What I would've done would be to give him an MP meter, though it would be the one from KH2 instead (where it can't refill until it's empty and then it enters a recharge period), and then make the down special open the magic menu from KH1 with every spell being available except Stopga since I think that one would just be too unbalanced and toxic. This could also free up the neutral special for Strike Raid. The spells would be rather potent as well since they're now tied to a resource and operate mostly like they do in KH1: Firaga would travel relatively quickly, slightly home in on a nearby target, and do decent damage but hardly any knockback, hit-stun, or shield damage and would cost the least MP. This would also be the only spell that can be fired continuously though like B&K's neutral special the power of each shot would decrease with each cast. Blizzaga would lose its multi-hit and freezing properties that it currently has, but the coverage would increase both vertically and horizontally, and would just deal one solid hit that would deal good damage and knockback with a sweet spot where the ice particles materialize adding some extra damage. Thundaga, instead of dropping directly on a target would drop directly on Sora providing AoE coverage and being the strongest offensive spell in terms of damage and knockback but coming with higher start up and end lag and costing the most MP of the 3. Though it would also deal decent shield pushback too. Curaga was one I considered leaving out since at face value it seems like it'd be kind of broken, but Hero has a heal spell too and it's balanced by only being usable twice per stock, not giving much health back per cast, and being random when it can actually be used. So for Sora's I decided that in addition to the canonical trait of it completely depleting your MP, it would require your MP meter to be completely full to use and it could only be used once per stock, though I'm upping the value healed to 25% compared to Hero's 11%. Also, this may be going a little bit to far but what the hell, Sora is the last DLC fighter so let's give him a little bit of cheese and also give him Leaf Bracer, so he becomes completely intangible when casting Curaga. Aeroga is another one that I think needs a little extra tuning, so what I've got is that it slightly reduces damage that Sora takes (but not knockback) and any opponent that touches it takes slight damage at set intervals too (but again, no knockback or hit stun), no other spells can be used while it's active, and that it's only usable once per MP recharge rather than once per stock like Curaga. Now for its time limit I was considering 11 seconds like Hero's Bounce but since it's a spell you can freely choose unlike the randomness behind Hero's spells let's down it to 8 seconds. And finally Graviga, I don't think would work in its canonical form so for this one I decided to make it a trap spell, in the same vein as Isabelle's down special. Sora creates a little well of energy on the ground in front of him and anyone who trips it is slowed down for about a second. We definitely don't need another Smash 4 Bayonetta Witch Time with 3 WHOLE SECONDS of slow down, so I think 1 second would be more fair. Also like Isabelle's, there can only be one Graviga out at a time and it will disappear after a short period. I know this whole system would take a lot of work to implement, but hot damn I feel like it would have been a lot of fun.