Hey everyone, thanks for watching! Just wanted to say real quick that with this video coming out not too long after The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom's release, and this video not talking about that game, I'd really appreciate it if you could refrain from discussing ToTK spoilers in the comments. Thanks! If you do want to comment something that involves ToTK spoilers, please also include a little spoiler warning before-hand. People are still playing through the game, so please be respectful to those people as to not ruin their enjoyment!

Honestly if Young Link's Final smash was functionally the same as it is now except instead of dashing forward he shoots beams from the Fierce Deity Sword after trapping the opponent he'd fly so high up on my list of coolest characters.

Toon Link's Final Smash could be a reference to the Four Swords games. He could split into four, launch forward and whoever gets hit gets pulled in and receives a barrage of swords swings from the four Links.

I’ve always thought Toon Link should have a special parry mechanic, because of how big a deal it is in WW (especially with the final boss).

I think the idea of young link not really transforming, but just wearing the mask is badass. Honestly think it would be cooler than actually transforming. Also, link pulling out a powder keg out of his pocket would be really goofy looking, it would be much better than normal ass bombs

Imagine if they took the Hyrule Warriors approach with Toon Link and made him summon trains

Ganondorf could always borrow from the Hyrule Warriors one. Big trident, magical energy, summoning shadow versions of his beast mode, etc. Seems like a great fit to me.

Omg the wolf link and midna was a missed opportunity, I can just imagine what their move set is, they’re a double fighter similar to ice climbers, I’d also like to see the up special be midna just yeeting link in the air and floating after him

Personally, I think it would be awesome if the main Link was set up like a composite of multiple incarnations rather than being based on one specific Link. He could have unique animations for his moves showing him using items from across the series, and his alternate costumes could be each based off different incarnations like The Hero of Time, Twilight, Sky, etc, so people can play as their favorite Link.

Not only has the 3 Link Problem bothered me for years, but as a Ganondorf main I love the idea of reworking his moves into Black Shadow and giving Ganon moves that better reflect his origins.

I actually think making Young Link like his Hyrule Warriors counterpart would serve him really well. Not being able to use the shield and wield his sword like a two handed sword, with your final smash turning you into Fierce Deity like how Sonic could transform into supersonic would be really cool.

Given the effort they went to implament Kazuya in such a faithful way, with his unique inputs and having by far the longest move list in Smash, it's even more disappointing the same effort wasn't given to these characters especially Ganondorf.

I remember playing Super Smash Flash back in the day, and what they did to Link was very neat! 1. When holding a bomb, you could charge your arrow and your bomb would attach to it! 2. His grab was his signature Hookshot. It could grab onto ledges as a horizontal recovery option. 3. His boomerang notably hit a bit harder but was less dexterous, and was the Twilight Princess Gale Boomerang 4. His back air was a kick!

For such a unique series with so many years to draw from Zelda got done dirty. Hopefully in the next game they all get an overhaul. Love the videos.

Since we just got a new Ganondorf appearance, I really hope they use that to drastically change his moveset in the next game

its important to note that flame choke is distinctly a ganondorf move, he used it in twilight princess to kill one of the sages, i wouldnt mind if he got a new moveset but he should keep flame choke

For Toon’s final smash I always thought it would be funny as hell if he had a cutscene where he hopped on the spirit train with ghost Zelda and ran over the opponent. Maybe have his head out the window makin a goofy face while he honks the horn. Idk man, just feels right.

I'd also love to see more taken from Hyrule Warriors. It did so much for so many characters like giving Ganondorf his trident from A Link to the Past and Sheik's harp turning into elemental attacks and it's amazing

To set Link apart from his smaller brothers, they could also have him alternate between round and cube bombs, and also have a Monado-style menu for him to switch between fire, ice, shock and bomb arrows, while only having a limited number of those ones

I think for Toon Link's final smash it could involve flooding the stage and running the opponent over with the king of red lions but the finisher from the end of the game would fit so well too.

19:52 For His Final Smash, The Other 3 Links From 4 Swords Appear And Make A Combo Attack Or Something

Something else that could make toon link more unique is giving him the grappling hook as a tether instead of the hookshot.

I can definitely see Wolf Link and Midna as a new fighter. Maybe have the Fused Shadow as their final smash, and the "field of darkness" thing that Midna does for a down special.

If you allow me to dream a little, I think two amazing additions to the roster would Impa, from Skyward Sword (who could be an echo fighter for Sheik), and Midna, obviously. I think that now that we have Tears of The Kingdom, there's some possibility for change in Link's and Ganon's movesets (specially ganon).

Perhaps as a sort of mini-series, you could go over all of the game IP’s with “a lot” of representation instead of “good” representation, and your suggestions on how to either tweak existing material or simply add/remove things; an example of something being tweaked could be some Pokémon getting moves based on actual Pokémon moves that they can learn, and an example of something being added/removed could be like substituting one stage for another, like subbing Unova league for Poké Floats, or just adding a completely new stage set in one of the more modern regions (an idea I had was to have a stage set in the wild areas of Galar, with stage hazards being both natural encounters of different Pokémon and natural events that would play out like sandstorms, perhaps even a special event that references the unique Dynamax mechanic where a random Pokémon from the background would suddenly turn giant and go on a rampage, with trainers in the background fighting it and the players just being caught in the crossfire. The Dynamax event would occur alongside the arrival of the darkest day and Eternatus, since Eternatus is the source of all the Dynamax energy and that event is what made wild Pokémon Dynamax in the first place).

Not having fierce deity link with his blade beam as his final smash for young link is still criminal

A FS change I would make for Toon Link is to let his pirate friends have some fun. Not certain if it's a cinematic one or a "let's just bomb the stage" like they do at the Wind Waker stage, but I like to pretend it would also give Tetra some appearance in the game.

Honestly for Ganondorf it'd be nice if they played more into his wizardry. Maybe have his side special be the evil he pushed Link and Navi with, Maybe give him the teleport as a down special too. Turn him from a grappler into a slow and bulky zoner.

Kind of a strange hot take here, but I always thought Ganondorf should have been an echo fighter of Zelda's. People forget he's mostly a wizard and a strategist rather than a big punchy man, so giving him a stronger yet slower moveset that references Zelda's magic might be interesting in my eyes. Keep the floaty move for his up special and he could even teleport into his version of Din's Fire for his side special, giving him more recovery, while also making him a menacing version of Zelda. For the down special he could summon a random member of his army, sometimes it could be super strong like a Lionel, but most of the time it would be Lizalfos and Bokoblins. Again making it the same yet different from Zelda's charged armor. I love the idea of his classic lighting orb being his neutral special though, so that could stay. And to top it off, keep his sword for the smash attacks to further make him different from Zelda. I'm kinda spitballing here's but what do y'all think?

For his final smash, I think Toon Link should use the train from Spirit Tracks. They could have him ride it forward a bit into a cutscene, where the train runs over anyone who got hit. That or they could bring in Linebeck to do something with his ship!

ever since Brawl, I've always wanted Toon Link's final smash to incorporate the windwaker like having the Ballad of Gales summon a typhoon would be brilliant

The song that starts at young Link’s part what is it called?

Before Ultimate came out, I thought they would keep Green Tunic Link the same as SSB4, and introduce a whole Blue Tunic Link with a fully BOTW moveset as a completely separate new character Call him Champion Link or something. But then again, that would've been 4 total Links...

What makes Ganondorf and Falcon funnier is that if you flip either of their renders they look very similar

Something I find super sad is that Toon Link DOES have the hurricane spin in smash! It's custom move in Smash 4 that they easily could've ported over.

I feel like the characters they brought back from the previous Smash games are more based on the way they were in those games rather than on how they are in their own games. Also I totally agree with all your ideas though this is definitely something they couldn't have done within the development time they had. But definitely fun to speculate what could have been

Because the Deku Scrub needs a flower to gain height, I would swap it to where Young Link keeps the spin attack, NSpecial is Powder Keg (ready) and can be followed up with a Place, Throw, or if they get hit it blows up. Down special becomes Deku Flower. In the air Down Special can become a short distance glide or a quick Get Off Me option, similar to how the Deku Leaf flying attack works in Wind Waker. Additional note, the Zora Boomerang side special should be chargeable with the ability to angle up and down though unlike normal boomerangs doesn't floor bounce

Honestly the one change I would make here is that toon link should include representation from other toon Zelda games, for example I think the final smash should use the four sword, a taunt that makes link smaller like in the Minish cap ect

Can this become a series? Would love to see how you improve other series’ representation

Where did you get that MM footage? It's not the 3ds remake or the original but it has 3ds elemints, so I'm just asking

Hey PJiggles. Quick question. Will you make a video on eonic just like you did witht he legend of zelda and also what sonci character do you want to see playable in super smash bros. Fot its tails, knuckles, Eggman, and shadow. Whats yours

As a suggestion for young link, Tie the masks to the shield + B input inkling uses. Basically he stays the same as current but when entering “mask mode” you transform and do the special associated with the mask, making a stronger version of the special Mask mode would only last one move and would basically add extra startup and end lag to a special but give it a lot of extra bang The input chain would be: Shield > B > Direction = Mask Special Edit: rather than pulling out and holding the explosive keg, I imagine goron link immediately chucks it but it won’t immediately explode if it doesn’t hit an enemy kinda like the barrel item, link then could pick it up and chuck it again or detonate it with the flame arrows

I hate how Link's alts are just recolored versions of his two outfits instead of the actual outfits

Ganondorf moves could not only been base off of just the 4 Ganondorfs, but also from the diferent versions of Ganon.

I really want them to ditch the sword and go for his trident. He’s had it in several games, primarily as Ganon but once as Ganondorf in Hyrule Warriors, and it could function completely separately from all other weapons in the game, being used to draw foes in rather than knock them away so that you can get the killing blow with your bare hands. That would exude power, intimidation, and a complete lack of respect for your foe, which would be magnificent for the Demon King.

For Toon Link, I also think they could base moves off of the touch screen titles! One example I’ve thought of is having a move using the sand wand.

super sick ideas! would love to see these in the games

Also: Toon Link's final smash should be a sword slash that stuns, followed by signaling to Tetra, and we get a cutscene of Tetra and her crew just blasting the heck out anyone stunned by the initial attack with the ship's cannons.

Something they could've done for Link is to split him into two, reflecting the traditional 3D Zelda and the BOTW formula; looking at how Young Link and Toon Link could've become drastically different, I think having 4 Links would be neat, alongside it being a reference to the drastically overlooked Four Swords subseries.

I think it's really important to remember that Smash is a stupidly popular game with a *lot* of demanding qualities. Designing *89* characters with totally unique movesets, that reflect their personalities and games accurately, is a HUGE amount of commitment, resources, and time. There seems to be a large misconception about game development, as seen in the crowd demand for GTA 6: These games take a TREMENDOUS amount of time and effort to make. On one hand, you have to write a good mainline story, character designs, themes, voice actors, side stories, art design, user interface, and much much more. On the software side, devs need to program THOUSANDS of different interactions between the player and the world, painstakingly sculpt tens of thousands of different models for characters, buildings, items, interactables, backgrounds, landscapes, and again, much more. Then there's the technical side: level design, overworld design, user interface, oundtracks...there are innumerable qualities that go into creating a game as big as Smash or GTA 6. Even with the massive teams of developers and writers both of these games have, there is just no way to have everything done overnight. Renderings, physics engines, continuities, all of these take a tremendous amount of effort, in order to make a coherent game. In the case of Smash, I do think that Ultimate is lackluster (at best) with their character representations: many of them are copy-pastes of each other, and I'm not just talking about the Fire Emblem characters. And given enough time, I think the Smash devs could potentially engineer characters to be great representations, each with their own unique moves and taunts, voicelines and models! But that could take years more than what the dev team is offered. Between demands of Nintendo executives and the impatience of the public, the Smash devs' main goal is to walk a thin line between producing results as fast as possible in order to release their game while ensuring that what they create isn't complete, unplayable garbage. That doesn't fully excuse everything the Smash devs have done, or rather, have not done. We, the consumers, expect quality, and when devs fail to deliver, on this, we get righteously upset because we payed damn good money to play their games. But it's really, really, really important to remember that the longer we wait, the better our games (typically) will be. It's somewhat baffling when the public demands that games be released early (such as in the case of Cyberpunk 2077), and the devs give in and release a buggy, alpha version dumpster fire, and then the public is all surprised and outraged that their game isn't ready. Games take much more time and effort to create than we the consumers will ever know. It sucks, having to wait 10 years for a new GTA 6 game, but it isn't because Rockstar is dragging their feet; it's because they're thoroughly pouring their love and passion into creating the best game they possibly can, for the fans they owe so much to. I wish the same could be said for Smash Bros.

With the link stuff the Daruks protection makes so much sense same for wall stuff and now I’d say instead of revails gale make it a rocket shield from totk and keep some old stuff

I think that for toon link having something reference sailing or trains would be great. A final smash that releases a flood so a boat comes through or lays tracks for a train would be great imo.

I can't believe Impa never made it into the smash series. She was as important in OOT as shiek and actually had importance afterwards. Also I love how Hyrule warriors fixed all the complains about The Zelda representation before Ultimate came out. They could have taken some inspiration from that.

Literally what you suggested with Ganondorf and Black Shadow is a near 1-1 parallel with an idea I had with Sonic and Classic Sonic. Sonic gets overhauled, Classic Sonic gets Sonic's old moveset.

in the fan game super smash bros crusade, they turned ganon into this dope wizard, where his neutral special was a chargable dead mans volley, with longer charge sending more projectiles. he also has a crazy upsmash where he holds his sword up and it shoots lightning onto it, in reference to demise from skyward sword. dude was absolutely amazing in that.

YES!! BANGER concept showcase, love this style of video so much! Very well done 👍 Also, something I was thinking of while watching; as an possible alternative solution to the Young Link transformation problem with his specials, you could instead have him summon the spirits of the deceased characters from Majora’s Mask that are housed in each mask; and have them quickly perform the moves instead, while Link wears each mask. So, Darmani III lobs the powder keg, Mikau throws the fin boomerangs, and the unnamed son of the deku butler carries link up into the air with the flower propellers. Visually, Darmani and Mikau could work like Joker’s Arsèn, and just stand slightly in front and behind young link’s model while they do the attacks. Your concept works just fine as well though, I could see either one looking rad in-game!

how are you playing majora's mask in the video is it a pc rom?

Personally my most wanted Zelda character is… Ganon! Not ganondorf, but ganon himself, with his look from a link to the past. Neutral: Blazing bats, he spins his trident overhead summoning fire bats and after a short delay they will fly in a straight line to the opponent. They can’t change direction after moving. Side special: trident warp, ganon tosses his trident straight forward, and 2 things can happen depending if the button is held or not 1. If the button is let go, the trident will boomerang backward and back into ganon’s hands. 2. If the button is held, ganon will warp to the trident right before it would normally turn around and catch it. Up special: Leap, ganon will jump upwards and if he doesn’t grab a ledge, he will slam straight downward. If he lands on the ground, he will cause a miniature earthquake around him, about a character lengths away, causing anyone on the ground near him to trip. The initial jump goes about as high as bowsers up special, and can spike right as he changes into a slam. Down special: technique of darkness, ganon will shield himself with his cape, and disappear in a puff of smoke, ganon will be invisible for 5 seconds and is able to use all of his moves normally. It has a 10 second cooldown, and when he is invisible, if you press the down special button again ganon will reappear, but the cooldown will still be the same. Final smash: The golden power, ganon does a large sweeping cape flip (like meta knights old final smash intro) and teleports any caught foes to the pyramid of power. While here, ganon will pull the completed triforce out and lay an absolute beat down on the opponents, with a bright yellow hue coming from him. At the end of the move the opponents will be launched away normally. I think this would be a neat character, and he also uses the same attacks he does in a link to the past.

impa would be a perfect new addition to the roster. she appears in multiple zelda games, and age of calamity gave her awesome moveset potential.

Ganondorf would now be the tears of the kingdom version. Spread gloom, use different weapons, flurry rush (a'la witchtime), use gloomhands. So many new options! Also for a new character: mineru in her construct mech form would be so much fun as a new heavy. Or any of the sages. Or Rauru, Purah, Robbie, Master Kohga. So many great options!

They could re-introduce TP Link and make his down special to transform into wolf, just like Zelda used to have a transformation, and makes a lot of sense, I mean later in the game, Link can transform at will, I never understood why they never tried it. Great video! I really loved all the ideas you came for each Link, except Ganondorf, since he is a little more tricky, since his model is based on OoT, the game where we see the least amount of moves, besides that energy ball, I feel like it would be more easy to think of a moveset for Ganondorf, if his model was based on WW, the game where we actually see a lot more moves (in comparison to Ganondorf OoT)

what if the element of arrow kid link uses is different based on the mask hes wearing so doing a combo provides different results. like shooting an arrow right after zora boomerang makes it ice. shooting one right after goron powder keg is fire

I feel the issue with Link is that he is meant to represent Zelda as a whole. Typically his move set reflects this as items like the bow, boomerang, and bombs are mainstays in the Zelda series, so having Link use them is understandable as it keeps him consistent with every incarnation of Link instead of just one despite taking the appearance of most recent adult Link. They take some of the most recognizable aspects of Link’s arsenal across the series and put them into a single character to represent the entire series. If you trade some of Link’s Master Sword attacks for other weapons in BoTW then you are getting rid of Link’s focus on swordplay and his most iconic weapon. While having specials like Stasis would be cool it disconnects Link from the rest of the series. I feel the other Links should be the ones to break away from the mold of using iconic weapons and use specific abilities and powers from their games or series like Young Link using the masks as his specials and Toon Link taking items from Toon games. And base Link should represent Zelda as a whole instead of prioritizing one game over the rest of them.

I think it would be cool if Sheik had a moveset that had some inspiration from the Yiga clan. The Yiga are Sheikah afterall, and as observed by the monk boss fight, they both use very similar fighting techniques.

Better and easier to code solution: put all 3 links as costumes for link. So remove young and toon link, and make their models styles for BoTW link. And Ganondorf? Just change his specials and make him faster.

I like the ideas for Young Link, but I think it would be even cooler if he actually *did* transform - if you *charged* the move. Like standard down b quickly pulls a bomb that's somewhat weak, but if you charge it, he goes full goron mode (also what he does when carrying a big box) and hefts a powder keg. Side B is a quick boomerang, fully charge it for two big zora-fin boomerangs after a split-second transformation. Up B does the regular spin slash (which rises somewhat in midair) but when charged turns into a deku link spin attack, rising up into the flower glide.

Another quick idea for champion representation of Link in smash: What if whenever he respawns on that little hover thing, there were bubbles around him and the greenish blue champion fire, symbolizing Mipha's grace? Of course it would dissipate as he returns to the battlefield

For Sheik maybe they could borrow some stuff from the original Hyrule Warriors, it does have a lot of basic ninja stuff, but it also uses the songs and lyre in an interesting way For Botw Link, i always thought that side-b should be something similar to Urbosa's fury, and changing the up b to Revali's Gale, and shield to Daruk's protection, you would have 3/4 champions represented Also, it would have been cool if he had an unique character entrance to the Sheika Tower, where instead of gliding down to it, he could appear after teleporting

You taking off your glasses to reveal your "real face" was LOVELY LOL >W

for the toon link moveset, you have a couple extra options, including final smash. namely: take from both phantom hourglass and spirit tracks. like turning the up smash from just 3 upward jabs into charging up a pillar from the sand wand (spirit tracks), making his bombs the bombchus (phantom hourglass), the final smash being him commiting veicular homicide either by using the phantom hourglass ship or the train, and then gunning the enemy down. instead of the regular grappling hook, use the snake whip (phantom hourglass). theres a lot you can take from, so the fact they didnt is a shame.

I feel like Toon Link could also have a bit of a Phantom Hourglass rep as well considering the Toon Link in Smash is the Hero of the Winds which had Phantom Hourglass as his second adventure, maybe his final smash could be a PH combo, sort of like Bayonetta's Final Smash

Ganondorf is a textbook representation of my opposition to the philosophy used with some Smash characters. That because they were like this in the first game they appeared even with rushed development that's how they'll stay. To me, properly resenting a character means much more than alienating a player base. The worst part is, they don't even stay consistent. Luigi and Falco have far risen past the people that actually make sense for them to clone so why is Ganon of all characters exempt. It legitamately makes no sense and will always be an error until properly updated.

I've been thinking Young Link or Toon Link should only have Spin Attack as default Up+B and other special attacks should be custom moves by selecting them on "C-button" like icons in the character screen... this way you could only select one mask for Down+B for young link, for instance. - Down+B: bomb, bombchu, spinner, iron boots, deku nuts, goron mask, zora mask, deku mask, dominion rod, magic powder; - Side+B: hammer/megaton hammer, ball and chain, pegasus boots, boomerang, gale boomerang, horse call/epona's song, bug catching net, whip, beetle; - B: Bow, fire arrow, ice arrow, slingshot, fire rod, ice rod... in fact Id like to eventualy try something like that for Fraymakers...

I also noticed that for the Bridge of Elden stage, when selecting a music track they don't put the main Twilight Princess theme at the top as they usually do for music that corresponds to a certain map, while they do this with Midna's Lament. Idk why, it's just bugged me for so long

It’s a bit of a stretch, but I kinda love the idea of young links special moves being done by the statues he summons using the elegy of emptiness

Quite literally how I feel about Kirby in Smash. Great video though, I really like your take for Young Link because people tend to always overlook that that the transformations would be slow and costly.

Honestly I think that if the transformation masks were to be implemented into smash, they'd be more interesting if they were allowed to be their own unique character slots (That and the way that you suggested to make them work is just really weird) Though I'd probably wish for wolf link and midna to get in before the masks as a group. Ultimate's Fire arrows are already pretty cool, but if Young Link is gonna be THE classic Link I'd maybe like for him to get the Gilded Sword for some extra reach and Mirror shield. I really like the mechanic of how Link's Shield is able to block projectiles, but it's so hard to make good use of that the mirror shield would be a nice way to make it better. Under this though, I think Toon Link is able to be more different. Keep the great spin attack but remove the glide afterwards the glider is BOTW Link's thing and we already have a deku leaf move. Down B should be Bombchus (Yeah Toon Link had bombchus in Phantom Hourglass), I think Smash Remix got the concept pretty well with their young link, but its a bit janky? Still it's still a bomb but a different bomb than the other two links. Side B, Whip. I knew for the side B I wanted to bring back the pull from the Gale Boomerang since that was cool. And it was either gonna be the Gust Jar, giving Toon a K.Rool style move, or the whip, and unfortunately we already have a wind attribute move based around manipulating the enemies position on this character. Alternative is to keep the UPB glide, replace Deku leaf with Gust Jar, and have Side B be a magic wand, Ice rod in Link Between Worlds was cool, but technically not belonging to a toon link game (I think at least. Might be wrong) unlike it's brother the fire rod. I really feel like Toon should've represented more of the games he was in and I feel like giving some new specials helps with that. instead of him being purely Windwaker link.

i think they should make Zelda and Sheik work like Aegis, where they can freely switch between one another using one of their specials. Same with ZSS and Samus!

Feels some people are like "Every series has great representation expect the one you like"

For me, I would make Toon Link's boomerang be something that functions like Pac Man's side special, where you aim it by drawing a path. This is a reference to how the boomerang works in the DS games.

I submitted so many entries for Ravio from Link Between Worlds on the smash ballot back in Smash 4. I swear his move set would be heat. He could use the items he rents out for most of his moves, possibly use his bird for some of his moves similar to what Duck Hunt does, and maybe even somehow implement the merging into walls mechanic

What made me a little disappointed is that they didn't even update Young Link's appearance to his MM version. I can understand why he was the way he was in Melee, since in that game all the Zelda characters were matching, but they don't anymore. So the very least they coud have done is simply change the look of his equipment - Razor or Gilded sword, Hero or Mirror shield, Hero's bow, gold hookshot, etc. Also totally agree on the FD final smash. Like it could be the exact same cutscene, except instead of the Triforce thing it's just FD Link going to town on you with the helix sword

Also, I find it kinda odd that the Master Sword is represented in 3 characters: Link, Toon Link and... Mii Swordfighter. For Toon Link, there are tons of swords, like the Four Sword, Lokomo Sword, Phantom Sword, etc... It would also be cool if something represent each games Toon Link is in. Like his FS, he could have a cutscene where he duplicates with the Four Sword, like in Minish Cap

Amazing. You represented my thoughts exactly except you were more well-founded and had more visual flare. I am very interested to see how you would rework different characters, especially Sonic.

Great video, I agree with literally everything! Wish you showed the modded Black Shadow falcon punch they made that's him kicking the ground like a bull and charging, shit is badass

Kinda think ganon should use different weapons for his move set from totk ie the big club for his smash attacks, sword stuff for his ground normals and spear for aerials with maybe some brawler moves like jab and dash attack

Really interesting concepts! For Zelda and especially Shiek they could take some inspiration from Hyrule Warriors! In that game, Shiek fights using harp based moves just as you suggested! Will you do other franchises as well? Mario could certainly use an overhaul for example!

I think Ganondorf could do with some stuff in his specials referencing Ganon himself. Maybe something to do with tridents or keese, or momentarily turning into Demise/Malladus/Calamity.

Ganon actually has a ton of potential for a new move set, which is especially easy to see cause I don’t play him. Like mentioned in the video, his up spec could be a floatation recovery and neutral spec be lightning blasts. For my ideas, his forward spec could be darkness wave, from when link first starts the final battle in OOC, and his down spec could be that he pulls out one of three weapons, his twin blades from WW, the sword used to seal him in TP, or his trident like used in ALTTP and FSA, each which has a random chance to be pulled out, will change his normal attacks and aerials, and has different strengths and effects, like shooting fire with the tridents forward air or the twin swords giving him faster, more frequent attacks. Each special (excluding down B) can be used while a weapon is out and using down spec again will put the weapon away before the cooldown activates and force Ganon’s down spec into cooldown. All other moves feel fine. Smash attacks can stay as they are and normals without a weapon can also stay.

A while back, I thought up a complete moveset change for Ganondorf for Brawl (it was a long, long while back). Unfortunately, I never got good enough at modding to make it happen, and there have been plenty of amazing Ganondorf mods since I first had these ideas way back when. Still, it's a project I'd like to challenge myself to again some day. Ganondorf now wields the Sword of the Six Sages from Twilight Princess. Or as an alternate outfit, he wields his Spaceworld 2000 demo sword with the Ocarina of Time look. Midair jump gains Peach’s float mechanic, allowing it to act as a soft recovery, though it doesn’t last as long as Peach’s. Neutral Attack: Alternating slashes in front of himself, lifted from Marth but slower and stronger Forward Tilt: Keep his original forward kick Up Tilt: Sweeps his blade over his head, lifted from Marth but slower and stronger Down Tilt: Thrusts his sword low to the ground ahead of him, based on his lunges from Twilight Princess Dash Attack: Keeps his shoulder check, with less damage and knockback, followed by a strong downward slash. Based off his dash from Twilight Princess Forward Smash: A stunning elbow jab, followed by a backward spin attack to launch enemies. Based on Ganondorf’s attack from Twilight Princess, functions like Link’s forward smash from SSBB. Up Smash: Keep his upward kick from SSBB Down Smash: Keep his forward kick and back kick from SSBB Neutral Air: Keeps his forward kicks from SSBB Forward Air: Copies Ike’s forward air from SSBB, with a powerful overhead swing Back Air: Keeps Ganondorf’s back-handed punch from SSBB Up Air: Copies Marth’s upward slash from SSBB, but slower and stronger Down Air: Keeps his downward stomp from SSBB Grab: Extend the reach of his grab, with his arm more outstretched, especially for his dash grab. Making it more reminiscent of his side special (which is being replaced) Pummel: Chokes the enemy with a pulse of shadowy flame All throws stay the same. Neutral Special: A chargeable energy ball. When charged mid-air, Ganondorf enters a short hover. The energy ball can be reflected with certain attacks Side Special: A cape counter that reverses projectiles, similar to Mario’s cape Up Special: Copies Marth’s, but slower and stronger Down Special: Warlock punch. If used mid-air, Ganondorf launches himself directly down, punching the ground and sending out a small shockwave when he hits the ground. Final Smash: Transforms into Ganon I also originally planned on making a Ganon mod based on Link to the Past/original LoZ. But that would've been way beyond my capabilities, while this Ganondorf mod would have basically just been swapping around some of Ganondorf's moveset with Link, Ike, and Marth's (with a touch of Lucario and Mario).

Personally I would've made Yink's Smash Attacks be the transformation mask moves, would give him room to actually charge the attacks (Albiet they'd all be fairly laggy moves, I think that's fine)

I always thought it would've been cool for toon link to get ice arrows so each link had their own special kind of arrows. Then his down special could be bombchus that run across the ground after a quick arming time, think bowser jrs down spec. Finally make deku leaf his up special, in the air it creates a whirlwind that boosts him up that he can glide out of, but on the ground he fires an air blasts basically as the video describes. His grab could be the grappling hook. Down air could be the iron boots to make a stall and fall etc. (Maybe even something with clones like 4 swords/triforce heroes) There are some great ideas with links items that the smash team didnt utilize. You could honestly make like 10 different link movesets all based on different eras of link. Dark link, wolf link, adult link, champion link, toy link, 8-bit link etc.

The good and bad representation is exactly what is really making me want to express my ideas I have for Smash. Following Brawl it feels like the newcomers that has joined since has had a rework overall in how they should be represented. You can tell just looking at it. And so it falls on the previous franchises that show to have worst representation than newer one. Look at Mega Man, Simon, and others. I want that same love to be put into the old characters. One idea I have for Zelda franchise which I believe I have also seen others say. Sakurai is a moveset purest. Which comes at a detriment because when old characters SHOULD be updated, they're either just ignored in favor newcomers or given minimal changes. So if Sakurai wants old movesets to return, retool Ganondorf, and give his moveset to Black Shadow from F-Zero. Another said part is the fact even though they gave Ganondorf a sword, it's just Ike's up and side smash. GIVE HIM NEW JUICE! (Edit: I just got to the Black Shadow part lol)

17:19 Hell, keep it functionally the same but he does it as the Fierce deity and shoots out the blade beams like mii swordfighter while he does it. Boom great Final Smash

I feel like Shiek and Zelda could have gotten move sets to reference their Hyrule Warriors counterparts with Shiek getting a similar move set to his appearance in the original and Zelda getting a mesh of her two move sets in Age of Calamity. Easy to base moves on while also giving those two side games some pretty great rep.

You mentioned Revali's Gale and Daruk's protection as well as Urbosa's fury for up-b in another vid but Link having a unique respawn animation would be so cool as well Edit: I forgor (💀) to mention that this animation would be mipha's ghost floating beside link while he's on the respawn platform

gannon should be the blights he blocks like fir blight v2 ad uses windblight gun as a side or charge attack like smaus and his final smash is attacks with every one of the weapons as calamity and finishes off as dark beast dash like his classic final smash

For Sheik they could get some inspiration from the Hyrule Warriors game. In that game she has special attacks based on the different songs she teaches Link in Ocarina of Time

I mean the simple answer on how to do the transformations with young Link is to only give each character Aerials and ground moves, each special changes you into the character. And maybe grab along with neutral b change you back to link

A day when PJiggles uploads is a good day.