Glitch Evolution: The History of Superswimming in Zelda: The Wind Waker

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3 жыл бұрын

Today, I dive into the history and evolution of the superswimming glitch in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (and HD). Speedrun history is often an interesting subject to look back on, especially when a single glitch evolves over time to look completely different than it did many years ago. I hope you enjoy!
Live speedruns at: / gymnast86
Twitter: / mrgymnast86
ZSR page on superswimming: www.zeldaspeedruns.com/tww/Te...
VIDEOS USED
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Klydestorm's TWW: Super Swim + Locked Camera: • TWW: Super Swim + Lock...
Klydestorm's TWW: Superswim no Storage/Camera Lock
• TWW: Superswim no Stor...
Venick's Super Swim on Console: • Super Swim on Console
Abahbob's Storage Without Forest Water (Dry Storage): • Storage Without Forest...
GnS's Storage with camera lock: • Storage with camera lock
Demon's New route after Forbidden Woods: • New route after Forbid...
CGF95s KZfaq channel: / @cgf.
TrogWW's Wind Waker ESS (Extended Superswim): • Wind Waker ESS (Extend...
Mr Ike's TWWHD Manual Superswim Proof of ConceptL • TWWHD Manual Superswim...
TrogWW's Wind Waker TAS: • The Wind Waker Tool-As...
Linkus7's wtf clip: / wiseresilientpresident...
TrogWW's Superswim Formula Tweet: / 1238294688353980423
OTHER NOTES
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- I mentioned that CGF95 discovered superswimming without a camera lock by just holding up, but this was actually used in some early 2012/2013 TAS videos, but wasn't well-known knowledge.
- Quality is only 720p because I did an oopsie and began the project in 720p (and realized this too late to want to redo everything).
- Huge shoutouts to TrogWW for explaining to me the different nuances of the Superswim Formula.
- General production criticism is welcome and appreciated.
#glitchevolution #windwakerglitches #superswimming

Пікірлер: 284

@Pete-vi9cb 3 жыл бұрын

If any Devs read this: please keep forgetting to cap backwards speed, makes it much more fun!

@Brandon-oc8lr 3 жыл бұрын

On kind of a similar point i find it interesting to think about whether or not devs should try to cater to the speed running community. I feel like speed runners will find something regardless of developer intentions. Im doing my PhD in physics right now and it always crazy to me how much speedrunning research is like real scientific research and having it be nonintentional on the devs part makes it even more exciting - even they dont know what runners will find. Theres something oddly 'naturalistic' about that.

@Drew-yz7ih 3 жыл бұрын

@@Brandon-oc8lr I think a lot of why these glitches enhance the speedrun so well, might just be the survivorship bias of it. Some glitches can absolutely kill a category to be discovered. So the games that continue to be ran after all these years are just the ones that have the glitches that feel the most naturalistic. "Should devs cater to speed running communities?" I'm not sure, I think there's definitely room at least for consideration when designing intended game mechanics. Look at Celeste for example. It remains to this day one of the most actively speedran games. For glitches, I think there's some magic lost now a days, every game that releases will have a few updates, and development on it might be somewhat active for years. If you think there's something wrong with a glitch being intentionally put into the game just for speedrunners, then I think leaving the glitch (that you learn of after the launch) in would be as intentional of a choice when you can choose to patch it. If Nintendo could patch out superswim, they probably would have in 2010 (well they didn't for hd in 2013, so maybe they just didn't know about it, but they patched techniques they saw that were popular among speedrunners at the time). It feels good to know that we can do things in the game against the intentions of the devs, that there's emergent gameplay being created from the players instead of the devs.

@moth.monster 3 жыл бұрын

@@Drew-yz7ih Nintendo didn't patch the zombie hover so i doubt they patched anything on purpose.

@CassiusStelar 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not Nintendo, but noted.

@FlamingZelda3 3 жыл бұрын

Seems to be a pretty consistent Nintendo error. The BLG in M64 is possible for the same reason.

@gregvillafane9167 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine the POV of the people just watching this little kid in pajamas zip through the ocean backwards

@rtyuik7 3 жыл бұрын

Old Man HoHo, looking through his telescope: "what in blazes is THAT?? its coming this way-- aaaaand its gone..."

@T3sl4 3 жыл бұрын

I bet the reason Gordon Freeman of Half Life is so special is because he has a triforce. Silent protagonist, expert in combat, faster than the speed of sound? Headcanon: Freeman is a distant heir of Link, and both games are in the same universe.

@M4XD4B0ZZ 3 жыл бұрын

Salute this boy

@Joey-ok6rs 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine if mss could be done in the Olympics

@swilson-738 3 жыл бұрын

lol

@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 3 жыл бұрын

"His speed decreases by 3 units-" Me, remembering mario 64: hey, ive seen this one!

@HappyBeezerStudios 3 жыл бұрын

Yup, same thought.

@colorcoated 3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean you’ve seen it, it’s brand new

@lukealias1uk345 3 жыл бұрын

@@colorcoated do you happen to know about BLJ ?

@colorcoated 3 жыл бұрын

Luke alias 1uk3 I was just finishing the back to the future reference

@gairisiuil 3 жыл бұрын

blj is multiplying

@ForgoneMoose 3 жыл бұрын

6:08 There I am, Gary, there I am!

@Patashu 3 жыл бұрын

You're tagged in the video!

@Purplemen101 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr Moose!

@stargazersdance 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Moose!

@dr4gonblitz 3 жыл бұрын

I saw you on the TV last night. You were in a Speedrunning explanation video.

@yourresume373 3 жыл бұрын

People were worried this development would make the run uninteresting??? Bruh Wind Waker and Wind Waker HD are some of the most fun runs to watch imo.

@IanMalcolm99 3 жыл бұрын

right? i'd much rather watch someone superswimming than doing the most boring thing in any zelda game, sailing

@kacperwoch4368 3 жыл бұрын

They are, unlike OoT speedruns. All they do is wrongwarp to the end of the game. Not fun to watch.

@nowun6043 3 жыл бұрын

Kacper Włoch I have this exact problem with MM any%. Since the wrong warp to Moon was finally discovered it’s completely killed the fun of it for me, which is such a shame cause I used to love watching runners like EnNopp112 strive to perfect the old route

@aubreyh1930 3 жыл бұрын

Pasto if that’s what they meant they probably would’ve said it

@funnynin5140 3 жыл бұрын

its cause watching someone pause and unpause for a few minutes straight is even less entertaining than it sounds, but tbh its a worth tradeoff when the speedrun is at least an hour (ish)

@snakeorbreak6258 3 жыл бұрын

"Ho, there! Link!" *LINK EXPLODES INTO A WATERSPOUT*

@IkeSMB 3 жыл бұрын

Whoa, I didn’t expect to get mentioned in this! Although I will say that I remember getting to Eastern Fairy once even without camera lock, but I wasn’t recording because I didn’t expect to get far at all (especially because I’d never glitch hunted anything before). I haven’t really kept up with TWW since then so it’s really cool to hear what people are doing now. Great stuff!

@jimmyjohnjoejr.9020 3 жыл бұрын

Good on you

@Simikins 3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy history/stories like this that aren't just about "WR history". Getting deeper into the paths of discovery, optimisation, discussion etc. is really fascinating.

@emilianoaventura5295 3 жыл бұрын

16:53 "We gradually became better at pausing"

@CGF. 3 жыл бұрын

I wasn't expecting to get mentioned either, to be honest, not in a video as big as this.. man, we've come so damn far. Here's to more years of TWW discoveries!

@MrCheeze 3 жыл бұрын

"If it saves time and can be done, someone is going to try it." :)

@884ringo 3 жыл бұрын

15:22 *does math* yep, saves time I don't think I was supposed to laugh as much as I did lol I feel like these glitch videos puts so much perspective on what happened inside the community for a run to reach the point it's now. Thanks for the patience and great work putting this video together, Gym.

@nestrior7733 3 жыл бұрын

I love the credo of the speedrunning community: "If it's faster, someone is going to try it." that we keep using to break the limits of "humanly possible". Which is probably a reason I love this community so much.

@canrex7540 3 жыл бұрын

When you started talking about the dead zone stealing speed, my first thought was, "So you just map the dead zone to the side, does that work?" That being the answer was a feel-good moment for me lol

@mollyfaucet 3 жыл бұрын

i dont know why people would think this would make the run boring it’s so cool

@Abahbob 3 жыл бұрын

Oooooh boy, this is gonna be great

@redrider578 3 жыл бұрын

"Or left it on because you fell asleep" Dont call me out like that man

@aortaplatinum 3 жыл бұрын

"No officer I wasn't driving backwards at 400mph through a neighborhood in Summer, I was exploiting the lack of a speed cap"

@wazoogus8934 3 жыл бұрын

please make more of these, theyre very informing and your voice is one of the most soothing on youtube, right next to particular mushroom

@Moonlight24123 3 жыл бұрын

Wind Waker is what got me so invested in speed running and speed running events. I never get tired of you or Linkus explaining super swimming on stream, and I love this video too.

@JoshuaFE8 3 жыл бұрын

Even as someone who knew a lot of this stuff already, this was interesting af, and finding out who all the credit goes to was really cool. Awesome video Gym

@hexagal4754 3 жыл бұрын

This is insane! God, the dedication! The incremental fight for improvement! And that funny lock that had link trapped splashing like a magikarp had me rolling!

@CZPC 3 жыл бұрын

Love these. We get too much history on the world records as a whole as opposed to single dedicated videos on a certain strategy or glitch. Great job.

@diamondjub2318 3 жыл бұрын

so basically, it's a backwards long jump?

@horesfan400 3 жыл бұрын

YAHOO!

@Patashu 3 жыл бұрын

It's a BLJ that got a PhD

@discountchocolate4577 3 жыл бұрын

It works for similar reasons: the devs only put a cap on positive (i.e. forward) velocity, but not negative (backward) velocity. The trick works because a player is able to make Link continue "losing" forward velocity after he starts moving backward with each turnaround, such that the velocity's absolute value (i.e. Link's speed) increases - deceleration from the subjective perspective of Link's front becomes acceleration in absolute terms.

@benjaminshields9421 3 жыл бұрын

Yup. But instead of facing one direction like mario, link has to turn around

@obisidiangolden1159 2 жыл бұрын

I love the “and bellow zero, there is no speed limit”, this alone hoked me in wathing the most interesing video about a speedruning glitch i ever seen!!!!!

@Rammbob 3 жыл бұрын

22:06 I actually do fall asleep to some runs of yours which is pretty chill, but this recap was very interesting and well done. Gladly watched it all the way through :) Thanks for putting this together, also for your Speedruns and other showcases

@lostthepirate6311 3 жыл бұрын

I love how much credit and respect you and Linkus7 always have for each other in your history vids. You two seem like competitors/rivals, but it makes me smile with how collaborative the community is!

@rtyuik7 3 жыл бұрын

22:15 - ha...he said "deeper", which is funny because this video is about Swimming...in the Ocean...

@SilvaSight 3 жыл бұрын

*Tidus laugh*

@acompletelynormalhuman6392 3 жыл бұрын

Really interesting to see the history of speed running like this

@nomercyforswine 3 жыл бұрын

Would love to see more content breaking down the history of individual Zelda tricks. You can get a brief overview in a marathon setting when someone's explaining a trick, but it's a whole new dimension to be able to see it evolve though video and deeper explainations. Great stuff man, keep it up. ^^

@jemmalucille 3 жыл бұрын

Yayy another awesome gym video ♥️ thank youuu!!

@not-the-main-character 3 жыл бұрын

This video is great gym! I love the glitch evolution theme, and it would be cool to see more of this content.

@dusk5471 3 жыл бұрын

I love seeing your speedrun related vids. They help me understand the VODS much more :)

@versutus2699 3 жыл бұрын

I love speedrunning history videos and the visualizations and explanations made it really easy to understand. Keep up the awesome content Gym

@BigPinkLoser 3 жыл бұрын

These glitch/trick history videos are super rad! Pleeease keep them coming

@LeoAbatie 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Gym, for always creating and sharing such interesting, polished, and thoughtful Zelda speed running videos. I continue to be entranced and entertained by them.

@mr_pants278 3 жыл бұрын

This was really interesting to watch. I love breakdowns and retrospectives about speedrun stuff in general, but moreso when it's about such a storied game and how certain tricks and skips are able to completely blow a game wide open and how they came to be. I've been on a Wind Waker kick recently, watching a lot of different categories and it reminds me just how much I love this game. 100% is great to see played fast, because there's so much in the game and it's just nice to see everything getting equal attention. Great video, Gym. Would love to see more like this.

@Saplingbat 3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely adore these videos of yours. I mean I watch almost all of them of course, you have a good voice. But the mini documentary style on specific glitches and the history of speed running are so interesting. Thanks for the upload

@lindbo4545 3 жыл бұрын

I love these types of videos showing the evolution of certain speed running techniques.

@deinemama6303 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video as always! Keep up the good work! 👍

@sephroark 3 жыл бұрын

Always look forward to your videos! This one is awesome as always :)

@keepitplaying24 3 жыл бұрын

Wind waker is my favorite speedrun and I love hearing it broken down. Thanks for making this gym!

@MilesHadley 3 жыл бұрын

Really entertaining and informative video, I thought I knew most there was to know about super swimming but there was still plenty more I didn't know, especially with recent developments! Thank you for making this, I love this style of your videos.

@timmaia5082 4 ай бұрын

Really nice watch, good pacing on both the explanations themselves and the timeline!

@MrAske 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video Gymnast. This video and Elusive Glitches series that you produce is so interesting and inspiring to watch. Really makes me want to pick up speedrunning.

@rezahydra 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Can’t wait for the next one as always Gym.

@HenrikoMagnifico 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative video, great job!

@mirkocollin 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video Gym !

@Rubbly 3 жыл бұрын

MORE GLITCH EXPLANATION VIDS Thanks Gymnast, great content as always. Keep on that speedrun grind you're doing great!

@sagacious03 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative & fun story! Thanks for uploading!

@katalbinson6562 3 жыл бұрын

I really like these type of videos! Please make more of these!

@nappkins9346 3 жыл бұрын

Please more of these, this was brilliant. 😍

@epiccrownking2952 3 жыл бұрын

That's very interesting! Always excited for a new video.

@1Subversion1 3 жыл бұрын

I like these videos a lot, and the voice doesnt get boring or annoying to listen to. Liking this channel a lot, decided to subscribe.

@morphogenetic834 3 жыл бұрын

It really goes to show that speedrunning is a community effort! Thank you for the incredible video, it’s very informative!!

@graslund42 3 жыл бұрын

great video my man! keep it up, love these glitch videos

@Leannehef 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Gym

@swilson-738 3 жыл бұрын

Very nicely explained I love this video Thank you so much, I learned alot!

@benjaminnewell5214 3 жыл бұрын

awesome video gym!

@MonochromaticPrism 3 жыл бұрын

Always enjoy your videos on glitches and speedrunning discoveries. They provide a window into the struggles and achievements of a niche and committed community of which I would ordinarily be entirely ignorant.

@jakecg9182 3 жыл бұрын

Gym, hearing you talk about the insanity that is wind water speed runs, as well as others is just so absolutely fascinating. Just needed to say that c:

@LumpAbundance Жыл бұрын

Your best video… well the only video I saw from you. A very good video, so good I remember it and came back.

@gaming_bigfoot 3 жыл бұрын

Informative videos like these are why I'm glad I stuck around for more than just rando runs

@triplebog 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! I hope we get more content like this soon

@munchingbanana4566 3 жыл бұрын

Watching this makes me wish there was a video like this on storage. Well done.

@scuttlebug9214 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome history. You have a very relaxing voice.

@fweqfeqwa 3 жыл бұрын

Nice, watched this over dinner! Thank you for such an informative video!

@TheAngryGamer360 3 жыл бұрын

I always love these videos

@ReDeadLauren 3 жыл бұрын

that freaking math equation brought back awful flashbacks from high school like damn. Incredible video tho, really entertaining and interesting. I love videos like this that look into the history of speed runs and what not. It's kinda refreshing that this only focused on one (very important) glitch and how it evolved over time, rather than just the WR

@crease701 3 жыл бұрын

I hope to see more stories like this one in the future!

@lq6202 3 жыл бұрын

How could I fall asleep while watching content as good as this?

@AwesomLP 3 жыл бұрын

Great video!

@adrianbrave6044 3 жыл бұрын

Very insightful and entertaining

@Xershade 3 жыл бұрын

Everyone: Your trick is stupid! Gymnast: I'm about to set a world record and ruin "anyone who thinks this is a stupid trick"'s career.

@expensivecrayon 3 жыл бұрын

i love this kind of speedrunning content

@Arc_ride 3 жыл бұрын

Gym with the good well thought content

@brofenix 3 жыл бұрын

Hmm, awesome history video and explanations Gymanst :) I was kind of surprised that Cosmo didn't come up in any of the video; I guess I assumed Cosmo discovered some of the superswimming techniques or first used them to get records. But I guess Cosmo was more a very good runner but not much of a glitch finder in Wind Waker.

@paulogodoyp 3 жыл бұрын

Nice vid! It's refreshing to see some WW content

@wowza.btch__2267 3 жыл бұрын

wonderful video!

@noeilia1758 3 жыл бұрын

I almost did fall asleep watching this last night hahah, finished the video today instead. Ngl superswimming is a really interesting concept and looks pretty cool and funky, I'd totally mess around with it myself if I had Wind Waker!

@DerBeybladeFan 3 жыл бұрын

Summoning Salt vibes. Great work!

@1PulseDawg1 3 жыл бұрын

This is awesome gymnast. Sometimes when I watch videos I forget how much effort goes into making them. You did your research and showed all your sources, it's like they say, a video essay. It makes me want to write a research paper, or even a thesis on speedrunning. Considering I'm a Math Education major, that might not work out, though things like that super-swimming formula make me hopeful. That formula is what math should be, a way of studying patterns and solving problems, not route repetition and formula memorizing *shakes fist and traditional United States math teach practices*

@nerdyursus4689 3 жыл бұрын

Can I just say he has a perfect voice for this stuff. I need more history of speed running tricks

@WannabeMarysue 3 жыл бұрын

8:42 Beautiful glitch. Current Mood.

@Patashu 3 жыл бұрын

NGL I was super hyped and ready for dry storage to be brought up, still such an awesome trick to this day

@simontingle6739 3 жыл бұрын

Please do more of these :)

@acrawford01 3 жыл бұрын

I like this type of video :)

@DeviPotato 3 жыл бұрын

i feel personally called out by the falling asleep comment, but this is a very informative and excellent video. thanks!

@gregvillafane9167 3 жыл бұрын

windy boi go ZOOOOOOM

@mrrobotvpn5012 3 жыл бұрын

boy*

@NEVERDOORS 3 жыл бұрын

i love u gym its a good vid

@pedroscoponi4905 3 жыл бұрын

I love these so much, glitch discovery and implementation is not unlike real-world science...

@mrchangcooler 3 жыл бұрын

I miss your WWHD runs. They were nice to watch.

@ItsmeAz 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't watched the video yet, but I just want to say that's an excellent thumbnail.

@MaxLebled 3 жыл бұрын

This was an excellently made video! great work! My only bit of criticism that I wish to suggest is that a photosensitive / epilepsy warning would have been nice on the super swimming parts