We Got Mark Cavendish’s Power Data, Can We Keep Up?

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11 ай бұрын

Riders, fans & commentators have called it the hardest start in modern Tour history ever, but how hard really was it? Thanks to ‪@trainingpeaks‬ we’ve been lucky enough to gain Mark Cavendish’s entire data file from stage 2 of this year’s race! We put Hank and Conor through their paces to recreate some of the key efforts needed to survive what was an incredibly tough stage!
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@gcn 11 ай бұрын

Do you think you could survive a Tour de France stage? Let us know 👇

@FixedundFertig 11 ай бұрын

@@erzhaideragreed 😅 those wattage numbers didn't look that much... until you know how those numbers feel 😂 And for 5 hours over 200 watts straight is REALLY HARD work for a "normal" Cyclist 😅 I do that for max 2 Hours ( WITHOUT intervals ^^ ) and then my legs BURN 😂

@adiros9226 11 ай бұрын

on the couch with beer in my hand :)

@1269Dondude 11 ай бұрын

I would get dropped, which is a shame because I have a 934 watt 15 second sprint at 5’6 65 kilos. But I only have 250 watt 60 min power. I could complete any stage eventually though 🤣

@salamipitza 11 ай бұрын

my power output is around 2.5w per kilo

@delivrance3961 11 ай бұрын

if it's a prologue, no problem!!!

@Norm0770 11 ай бұрын

When talk of W/kg comes about I'm at a disadvantage by weight, at 100 kg, but it makes calculating my W/kg to two decimal places super easy!

@tobiasbouma4071 11 ай бұрын

Would love to see van Aert's numbers, he's no small guy but climbing like a featherweight

@tadziu2400 11 ай бұрын

Probably FTP close to 500

@chrisd6736 11 ай бұрын

⁠do we know FTP for TP or JV?

@markhumus-js7xz 11 ай бұрын

@@tadziu2400 no way, he's 78kg, that'd put his FTP at 6.4 W/kg - he'd be demolishing Pog/Kuss/Jonas on the long climbs with that. More like 450-460W.

@tadziu2400 11 ай бұрын

@@markhumus-js7xz Jonas is holding 7W/kg for the whole climb

@gcn 11 ай бұрын

We're not sure we want to see those numbers... it'll make us all feel bad 😂

@ClementAllen 11 ай бұрын

Missed a prime opportunity to title this "We Got Mark Cavendish's Power Data, Do We Have Watt it Takes to Keep Up?"

@gcn 11 ай бұрын

Bad dum Shhhh 🥁 A pun fit for Dan himself 🙌

@John-dh1gh 6 ай бұрын

Or can we lose the Kgs to even be relevant.

@cb6866 11 ай бұрын

Thanks Conor , James , and crew.......yeah , good effort !!

@murtheblur33 11 ай бұрын

Great video! The effort of the TDF riders is incredible. The thumbnail image for this video could even be "Watt does it take?" !

@TiagoMorbusSa 11 ай бұрын

What two pals, great ride.

@gcn 11 ай бұрын

Riding with pals is always great fun! 🙌

@TheJanvicgwaps 11 ай бұрын

How about get the data of Jonas's TT run cause that one was so wild

@schaeferdev 11 ай бұрын

are you sure about the 310w threshhold? That doesn't seem right, even as a sprinter there is no way I would have expected him under 5w/kg especially considering he is one of the smaller guys

@edgarsk 11 ай бұрын

Something clearly does not add up between screenshots and whats told, but his threshold is no way near 5w/kg

@romeeees 11 ай бұрын

You can get his threshold out of his data @2:00 . With an IF of 0.77 and a NP of 270 W his logged FTP in this file is 350 W.

@ellie0667 11 ай бұрын

Exactly this, the headline figure of 310 is a typo. If you then look at his NP of 270w odd for 5 hrs and use ftp of 353 then the TSS seen in training peaks tallies correctly. If his was lower, then the numbers don’t correlate correctly.

@schaeferdev 11 ай бұрын

ah yeah I didn't look at the TP data in detail, good catch! I was super confused when they said "310w threshhold" in the video. 350w makes much more sense and would put him pretty much bang on 5w/kg :)

@philipk4475 11 ай бұрын

Does GCN have editors who do more than add funky music and actually check stuff?

@tonmtbcomic9066 11 ай бұрын

I just love Hanks glasses when he put them on lol

@davidhughson189 11 ай бұрын

What ~ putting Connors (Training Peaks, next to Marks?). ONE OF THE BEST REVIEWS!! A list of the climbs & who has the KOM’s in these particular climbs please

@KorbensBum 11 ай бұрын

Bike vault this week was an absolute enjoyable shambles.

@julendelrio 11 ай бұрын

You should have come to San Sebastian in person to film this vid. Maybe for the Klasika? 👀 you would be very welcome lads

@PixelVibe42 11 ай бұрын

IF (Intensity Factor) of 0.71 - so those 5 hours at race pace didn't really destroy him! Amazing.

@tobiasgreven254 11 ай бұрын

I can be wrong, but I believe intensity factor is the normalized power of the ride as a percentage of your FTP. So rides over an hour are per definition at a lower intensity factor.

@annabelmills6519 11 ай бұрын

It would be great to get a similar video for a tour de France femmes stage!

@billmccaffrey1977 11 ай бұрын

Here is a Tour question/problem that needs to be addressed: So far, so called fans have directly caused two accidents and some injuries, then today a dumb ass team car almost took out the leader causing him to lose critical secs in the middle of a tough climb. Fans have made it impossible for riders to pass as they barely leave enough room for single file. I don't know how the riders keep from wanting to drive the team bus through the lot of them. It is harassment to the riders and an embarrassment to the sport.

@peterfireflylund 11 ай бұрын

The car couldn't move because there was a stopped motorcycle right in front of it... and the place was so packed with "fans" that it was hard to solve the situation.

@stevemawer848 11 ай бұрын

@@peterfireflylund And it was an ASO car, not a "dumb ass team car". People should use their eyes instead of their fingers.

@Bluesman2509 11 ай бұрын

With regards to the comments below Cav's FTP MUST be at the 350w mark, I.e. 4.9-5 wkg. That is still absolutely ballistic speed uphill compared to 99% of amateurs.

@davidhughson189 11 ай бұрын

What was Connor’s wattage on final sprint?

@williamsundkvist69 11 ай бұрын

Try matching jonas TT numbers

@Deepak19944 11 ай бұрын

Why are the subtitles not working anymore? Please take a look at it

@shamendra.sakthivel 11 ай бұрын

9:52 Is it just me or is Connor going for some Tadej tuft looks🤔🤔

@pcdude2394 11 ай бұрын

Each of Mark Cavendish’s thigh is about the size of his torso. Nothing but pure power

@gcn 11 ай бұрын

A true legend of the sport 🙌

@Gouranga552 11 ай бұрын

What happened to Hank?

@benoittheminerandgamer 11 ай бұрын

There something wrong with this DATA 5h09min at 270w NP for 2.33w/kg This is not true? That mean Mark weight is 115.88kg ( 270/2.33) is at 70kg for 1m75. Help me understand this DATA.

@benelumbaugh8928 11 ай бұрын

Average w/kg on TrainingPeaks is taken by dividing average power by weight, not normalized power

@timvanmonero2720 11 ай бұрын

i'm so confused about this 250W for an hour to be hard. in races we (the faster ones) holed 270W+ for 2-2:15 hour splits and then run a half marathon 🤷🤷 :D

@ynotnilknarf39 11 ай бұрын

Getting a puncture on tubeless, something you push to the max, yet get left to sort it so you can't complete the section, absolute comedy gold!

@alinapopescu872 11 ай бұрын

The only thing I understand is that we are roasting at 37-38 degrees Celsius 🥵 and you over there are nice and cool. 😇

@kanraku6129 11 ай бұрын

11° when I went for a run this morning, that's not even cool it's bloody /cold/!

@alinapopescu872 11 ай бұрын

@@kanraku6129 🥶🥶🥶 True! My goodness....

@MrPeterfreeston 11 ай бұрын

What going on where’s the subtitles?

@Crowey72 11 ай бұрын

Hanks headset is half the size of Connors l😂

@gcn 11 ай бұрын

It's not all about size 😉

@philadams9254 11 ай бұрын

9:32 - Is mark's fitness score only 22? I find that hard to believe

@cornishalps9870 11 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure it's someone else's account as if you look at the 5s power it is a second best of the year/alltime which at 860w is highly unlikely considering his peak power is 1600w.

@Vokunos 11 ай бұрын

well yeah... i could "survive" tour de france stages. i think i would even have an fun time... but would i also need atleast double the time ? yes haha.

@triscuitbiscuit 11 ай бұрын

Can someone fix Hank’s helmet strap please? 😅

@yuumbaalam 11 ай бұрын

That was also my thought

@gcn 11 ай бұрын

He just loves being different 😂

@stevemead6862 11 ай бұрын

but cavendish is on the hot sauce 1000.000%

@destinationbikeatboxhillin8255 11 ай бұрын

Prove it

@chrismadge7292 11 ай бұрын

310w at threshold (FTP) - that isnt right, hes going to have a bigger ftp than that

@swites 11 ай бұрын

Yep, apparently its 350w or so which makes more sense.

@Gmh6477 11 ай бұрын

Considering cavendish is well past it and has been declining for a few yrs it’s scary to think what The top 5 are doing

@imacfubu 11 ай бұрын

He won 4 stages in 2021 and had the fastest top speed in two sprints this year

@stevemawer848 11 ай бұрын

You need a dose of reality, mate. Philipsen only beat him because Cav's gears were slipping. Yeah, well past it. Fool.

@peterfireflylund 11 ай бұрын

"No. The end." Shortest video ever.

@toozydude2 11 ай бұрын

Cmon, Connor doing 289 W for 25min is easy... he is probably 80kg!

@Tommi462 11 ай бұрын

I was also wondering if that was another mistake like the Cavendish FTP one, because that didn't sound like it would be that tough for him. I'm a relative beginner cyclist and I did 280W average for a 90min ride the other day, with the best 20min average being 309W. And I wasn't really hurting myself doing that either. Going hard, yes. Granted, I'm much heavier than Conor at around 100kg, but still. Conor's an ex-pro and I'm an ex-fatso who got off the sofa 3 years ago. Cancel Reply

@alaefarmestatesllc 11 ай бұрын

He’s 100kg.

@toozydude2 11 ай бұрын

@@alaefarmestatesllc actually??

@alaefarmestatesllc 11 ай бұрын

@@toozydude2 he’s 6’8

@xcskiing_universe 11 ай бұрын

310 w threshold is just ridiculously bad for being a pro. No doubt what Mark was made for: that is sprinting and not endurance. I wonder how low his absolute and relative vo2 max is as well. I believe right now it’s almost as bad as a football-player.

@robertwaldren6206 11 ай бұрын

Great video, but I sure wish you had closed captioning on all your videos. According to the World Health Organization, "...Currently more than 1.5 billion people (nearly 20% of the global population) live with hearing loss; 430 million of them have disabling hearing loss." I'm sure you have many viewers who would appreciate closed captioning on all of your content, whether on KZfaq or GCN+. Thanks for your consideration.

@alanchorley 11 ай бұрын

c'mon @gcn - a bit more accuracy with the data please. Cav's FTP stated at 310 W, yet the screenshots would allow FTP to be calculated at 350 W. So either the 310 W statement was wrong, or the displayed data was loaded onto somebody else's account with a different FTP. If that was the case the FTP needed to be set to Cav's 310 W to avoid the normalised power and TSS readings referred to being incorrect. Whilst on the subject of NP, it's not power "discounting the zero watts when you're not pedalling", it is an (unvalidated) mathematical estimate of what could have been done if a constant effort had been maintained.

@timvanmonero2720 11 ай бұрын

206W/2.33W/KG = 88KG? 👀👀❓❓⁉⁉❓❓

@damiramilojevic9180 11 ай бұрын

@mbastos1000 11 ай бұрын

BS!!!! He increased the size of the tip to make people spend extra lubricant and buy again sooner! Thief!

@rogersimmons8788 11 ай бұрын

No.

@douglasbooth6836 11 ай бұрын

He’s not a living legend. Nobody outside of cycling knows who he is.

@alaefarmestatesllc 11 ай бұрын

That goes for most elite athletes. Michael Phelps/lance Armstrong are the minorities

@Morhaw 11 ай бұрын

Apart from the fact that in the UK he’s quite well known because the BBC cream themselves over him

@gcn 11 ай бұрын

We disagree, Mark is one of the household names that go beyond our sport.

@douglasbooth6836 11 ай бұрын

@@gcn nobody out of cycling knows his name. Sorry.

@douglasbooth6836 11 ай бұрын

@@alaefarmestatesllc usian bolt, Muhammad Ali? Tyson?

@ElouanGardon 11 ай бұрын

Is this a joke?

@brentgaul2760 11 ай бұрын

No no no no. Nope. Global Cycling? Stop with this Cav BS. This show is clearly a British Cycling Network. Just stop.

@Smaug1 11 ай бұрын

You guys need some new topics. Comparing yourselves (keen cyclists though you are) to TDF athletes is always going to come out with the GCN staff woefully inadequate. Check your egos. Here are two TDF-themed ideas: 1) What happens to the idiot spectators who clip riders and cause accidents in the TDF? What's the penalty? 2) Why are the spectators allowed on the road itself? (seeing as how they cause accidents EVERY year)

@mace9770 11 ай бұрын

Is everything ok at home?

@fabioqueiros9322 11 ай бұрын

@@mace9770clearly not

@cschmitz 11 ай бұрын

"why are the spectators allowed on the road itself" think about how long the tour de France is distance wise and then think about how you'd possibly keep spectators off of that entire route. My guess is that it's not for a lack of desire or trying, it's just an impossible ask.

@High_Octane 11 ай бұрын

I thought this was great, check your commenting worth…

@tankbirdfinder6219 11 ай бұрын

Please clarify, Mark Cavendish agreed to this yes? Very simply, he owns that data, it's his, not training peaks. You did get permission? I'm confident you'd respect this basic respect requirement, but I'd like you to state it with no room for interpretation. Please.

@kingpinuk880 11 ай бұрын

Yes they clearly hacked his data illegally and made a video about it....c'mon man

@FoobsTon 11 ай бұрын

Why?

@gcn 11 ай бұрын

Hi there, we can assure you that all necessary permissions were gathered before creating this video. We hope you enjoyed it! Mark is a beast... we've got a new found respect for him 🥵

@edt6488 11 ай бұрын

@tankbirdfinder6219 And where's your apology to GCN?

@stevemawer848 11 ай бұрын

@@edt6488 No apology needed - he just asked GCN to confirm that nothiung underhand was going on, which they have. @kingpinuk880 is the one who should apologise before he gets sued for libel.