How Much Faster Can I Make My Old Bike? | 2013 Vs 2023 Revisited
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Күн бұрынA few weeks ago, Si dusted off his old Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL3 from back when GCN started in 2013 to compare it to his 2023 Canyon Aeroad. Predictably, it was much slower, but we got lots of comments asking to test it again after fitting it with modern deep section wheels and fast tyres. So, that’s what we’ve done. Old bike with new wheels and tyres - how much faster is it?
00:00 Intro
02:12 Run 1 - 2013 Specialized
03:45 Riding positions
05:59 Run 2 - 2023 Canyon
07:49 Results
08:40 Analysis
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@gcn Жыл бұрын
What other upgrades would you make to Si’s 2013 Specialized? Let us know in the comments below! 👇
@minchia04 Жыл бұрын
Put on narrow aero handlebars and wireless groupset to further optimise the front end. And also a ceramic speed rear derailleur cover 😂
@i4npanman Жыл бұрын
Will it give an ultimate boost in speed, if it was using TT disc wheelset?
@Cyclingchoice Жыл бұрын
Aero.bar, same width tyres, same psi, inwardly position shifter, upgrade saddle and seat post, same groupset or equivalent
@Numeriwar Жыл бұрын
Put an aero drop bar please.
@colecoleman1499 Жыл бұрын
Specialized turbo cotton tires for the next video and an aero helmet and skin suit. Aero road would be defeated
@GdF420 Жыл бұрын
10-year old bike ? That's a brand new bike for me !
@MartianTom Жыл бұрын
Yep! Glad I'm not the only one!
@bicyclist2 Жыл бұрын
Same here.
@MartianTom Жыл бұрын
@@bicyclist2 My 20-year-old Specialized Sequoia (alloy frame) is still going strong after tens of thousands of miles.
@nickvandam1214 10 ай бұрын
I bought by bike new 10 years ago and it is still going strong.
@VelosaJr 2 ай бұрын
Still a ten year bike..
@amishrider Жыл бұрын
I don't care about the results. Your 2013 Specialized looks awesome with those deep wheels, and you clearly enjoyed tanking it for 8k. Your summary was spot on, enjoy the riding with your mates!
@gcn Жыл бұрын
It did look cool... maybe that's more important after all 😂
@Big_Island_Boi Жыл бұрын
Yeah, some dude shows up at our weekly group ride through Houston on a garishly painted, 80's vintage, steel Tommasini with drop-tube shifters--and newer deep section carbon wheels on it. That bike looks cool as fuck... and he's pretty fast on it.
@dgillies5420 Жыл бұрын
On our monthly vintage ride the guy who's the fastest and passes $30,000 worth of bikes climbing the Torrey Pines grade, is riding a 5-speed 1955 Hetchin vibrant-stays curve-tube bike. Really.
@nomad61u2 Жыл бұрын
My favorite part of this video, which made it one of my recent favorite GCN videos was the recognition of - “what are we really testing here? Kind of who cares? This is fun!” Just that ethos could carry a substantial series on this channel for quite a while.
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Hahahah we love a test... what can we say 😂
@budbud2509 Жыл бұрын
@@gcn Lets face it Si is a fast cyclist , if for instance I were to be the tester the results would be much more narrow cos aero has much less effect at my speeds. When I built a bike for the Etape my focus was on weight cos I knew my speed uphill would not have any gains with an aero bike. And going down mountains was quick enough thanks
@jacquelinesim9578 9 ай бұрын
I agree - this type of riding is so out of my league both cost and fitness wise, but I’ll watch any of it as I’ve an old bike and new bike and an electric and it all fascinated me - who cares? Just watch and then get out there and ride what you’ve got 😅
@88pooney Жыл бұрын
Ridden on different days and no power numbers shared! Content has gone severely downhill in recent years! c.80% wind resistance is from the rider but that won’t make the sponsors happy…..
@PK-qq1lz Жыл бұрын
I like Si, the humor he has. These vids to continue and asking the crowd are really fun. Thank you.
@nguyenho9591 Жыл бұрын
“Wasn’t a fair test” *Also proceeds to do an “all out” effort test (-10 watts on non-sponsored bike, slower tyres, while new bike has latex tubes and GP5Ks or something equivalent), not telling anyone the watts then say it’s slower than sponsored bike* GCN really needs to stop doing these “sciency” test. I don’t know how people can not getting second-hand embarrassment watching these tests😂
@simonrichardson5259 Жыл бұрын
I don’t get it. If you think we have no integrity then don’t bloody watch the video FFS. And don’t tell me you think I’m lying. Seriously pisses me off.
@nguyenho9591 Жыл бұрын
@@simonrichardson5259 there are 8 billion people, some tolerates bullshit, some don’t, I definitely don’t. So if you hate these comments, dOn’T rEaD ThEm. Now if you are pissed off because you couldn’t provide hard evidence from your tests, maybe stick to bike painting tutorials or riding up Strade finishing climb or something, those are the enjoyable ones. EVERYONE knows you are shilling, that’s why your views are dropping because you are unqualified and unreliable. Hell, Cycling Tips quotes the Asian new bike brand, Devel, 15k USD to deliberately shill Devel bikes on their platform, God knows how much yall getting paid by Canyon and Orbea. Had enough? Stick to bike paint videos or some 500k challenge.
@andrewwoffinden8671 Жыл бұрын
@@simonrichardson5259 So we aren't allowed to question your methodology? That is part of the scientific method that you are obviously not aware of..
@xAudiolith Ай бұрын
@@simonrichardson5259 sorry we're getting in the way of your Canyon paycheck. You're a former pro cyclist. You know full well it's a bullsh*t test by not disclosing power numbers and talking about doing a "maximal effort" test.
@switt5923 Жыл бұрын
Damn that Campy groupset looks so much better than the other one.
@randellgribben9772 Жыл бұрын
campy or that era..work of art... shimano/sram.. just industral looking..no passion
@bicyclist2 Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@marcuspartridge11 Жыл бұрын
Ok, the 2 Si's side by side was really cool! 😎
@jamesmorgans9835 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Loved the camera work and the editing. It blows my mind how much we’ve discovered in the last 10 years. Can’t wait to see what happens in the next decade. And I’m glad that it was mentioned at the end of video that all that matters is “just ride. Ride fast, ride slow, ride with mates or not. Just ride”
@dgillies5420 Жыл бұрын
Really brilliant camera work, I loved the double-exposure of Si talking to himself in duplicate ...
@GeeFunk84 Жыл бұрын
Dear GCN Team, I have been following the channel for about five years, since I got the bug again to get back into cycling. I adore the fact that you are based in the Bath-Bristol area, since it's the place I used to live until 10 years ago when I returned to my native country of Hungary. I love when you check in from places I used to walk my dogs at and ride around areas I used to take walks from or to work, passing some of the most well-known Banksy works. I thank you for all the videos that you have been making that inspire people to take up cycling. For me, spondylolysthesis caught up to me as an injury I suffered four or five years ago - that I had been able to manage with rigorous physiotherapy so far - that now stops me from cycling temporarily as I am facing an operation to my spine. I hope I can get back into the saddle ASAP and reclaim some of the Strava medals I've lost in the meantime. I'm taking long walks and get slightly teary-eyed each time a group of cyclists passes me or when my I get a look at my own, old vintage steel bikes in the loft almost critisising me as in 'Why don't you take me out for a spin? It's warm outside!". This goes out to all young people: Take a really good care of your body, serioulsy. It's all fun and games while you're young, but do be reasonable, I plead to you. Be fast, but be catious at the same time. There are no guarantees in life, but blessed are the ones who have a great support system. God bless you all!
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Thanks for reaching out! Great to hear that you are loving our videos, we are very lucky in where we get to film, would you ever come back to this area? Sorry to hear that you've got a long term injury, having time off the bike can be super hard but we hope you'll be back at it soon! Have you got any tips for other people that are having to stay off the bike? 👀
@mpicanza4491 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Very impressed we didn’t have another rim vs disc debate! Riding for smiles is all I care about (and what my 54yr body can achieve!) but we all like to go fast, that sensation is always highly addictive…
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Doesn't matter what bike you have, you can still have a great time!
@rangersmith4652 Жыл бұрын
At nearly 63, I have made a conscious decision to trade the excitement of that bit of extra speed for comfort and style. I'm as fast as many of my mostly much younger club mates, fast enough to not get dropped on most rides. And if I do get dropped, I look great and feel great as I chug along. Forty years ago I quite enjoyed bombing a descent at over 50mph, but now I find it mildly terrifying. I do select certain components that are probably making my bikes "faster," but that's in the interest of saving energy, not adding speed.
@hansschmidt3144 Жыл бұрын
when talking about early gcn days... somehow i miss matt as a presenter. the combination matt, dan, si was so great :)
@pauldyer3821 Жыл бұрын
Can't beat the old bike geometry for looks! Looks fantastic with new wheels on it.
@randellgribben9772 Жыл бұрын
yes..look at all the 'aero ' bikes now,, side by side.. the pretty much look the same bike
@onepunchbud1472 Жыл бұрын
@@randellgribben9772 very true
@mattlee341 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Ordinary cycling fans like myself who cannot afford to change bikes every season would appreciate more videos like this one on how to upgrade your 5-to10-year-old bikes faster and by how much. Is it worth the investment, etc.
@kevinc9528 Жыл бұрын
I think the choices are Body position Zwifting Wheels Tires Handlebar Maybe lubricant on chain Helmet Kit Pulley wheel ... Waxing your legs
@gcn Жыл бұрын
You can certainly get some great speed on budget bikes, Just look at the time we went racing on budget bikes 👉 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o86qZKqnsNaWiJs.html
@abtcup Жыл бұрын
I’m still riding my 10 year old Cervelo S2. I have two sets of wheels. One set are Zipp 404 tubulars and the other is a set of Mavic Cosmic Carbons using tubes. There is absolutely nothing revolutionary in road bikes that is convincing me to go out and drop $5 to 7k on a new bike. Surely not for 30 seconds.
@kevinc9528 Жыл бұрын
@@abtcup I have a 12 year old Cervelo R3 which I recently upgraded to the new Madone. I would have thought tire clearance would be one of the reasons to upgrade alongside the obvious aero, disc, etc. For me my bike was getting beat up through the number of crashes and mishaps that occurred through just riding the bike. Feels good to refresh it.
@Semeyaza Жыл бұрын
Well, those wheels are about 2K euros for a set, so... worth the investment is a relative term. ;)
@JonathanHair Жыл бұрын
Did you ride at the same power? The results don't mean anything without this.
@felipethomas3828 Жыл бұрын
Of your recent videos this was one of the best! Very enjoyable to watch :)
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed it.
@SCWgreg Жыл бұрын
What a great summary of the Industry. “Pimping”the older one, and “handicapping” the newer one. Thanks!
@markricketts6957 Жыл бұрын
I have a steel touring bike from the early 90s and just bought a really nice road bike from 2011. Over my usual hour and a half ride there is no more than a minute difference in time, but the newer bike is massively more fun, and that is all that matters.
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Having fun is the most important thing!
@minchia04 Жыл бұрын
Nice, good to see you guys following this up
@gcn Жыл бұрын
We aim to please!
@NemanjaPantelic Жыл бұрын
Upgrading to 50mm carbon wheels from the stock Giants on my 2016 commuter Alu Defy Disc changed the feel and the sound of the bike for the better. I also ride it with mudguards in combo with aero wheels which rises eyebrows from time to time, but I don't care really. I love it
@MD-cq6lx Жыл бұрын
who cares about the eyebrows. Atleast your pants are dry😂😂😂
@loc9588 Жыл бұрын
Why do you have carbon wheels on a commuter bike 😂
@Harley_Gauge Жыл бұрын
Nice! I have a flat bar hybrid but now starting to look at new wheelset. Too right! Who cares what people think. Bring on the Tron wheels
@MD-cq6lx Жыл бұрын
@@loc9588 why not. Am less likely to arrive completely sweaty at work with a lighter bike😂😂
@NemanjaPantelic Жыл бұрын
@@loc9588 Because I can! 🤣
@MrSmoothasf Жыл бұрын
The older bike looks incredible now
@madyogi6164 Жыл бұрын
The only "no no"(?) for these bikes were a bit too chonky frames. I got one myself (Corratec, 2010 design on their 10th anniversary). Small vendor from Germany. All I know, it was hated back then, in UK. :D For me - cool paintwork! I got rid pretty much everything attached to it in first 3-4 years (except shifters and brakes). And even now, though I replace parts occasionally, I do see the sign of the time... Specially chasing "new guys".
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Something nice about that old style frame with those deep modern wheels! 👌
@randellgribben9772 Жыл бұрын
@@gcn i run a 2014 pinarello dogma 65.1 think2 full campy... i think it looks better than all those sterile looking aero bikes.... nd a lot of my freinds that run the best and the newest.. think the same thing
@ironore8677 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Just wished you had showed power output for each run. I think everyone is cheering for the old bike lol
@xAudiolith Жыл бұрын
You know 100% why they didn’t do that. The new bike would have been embarrassingly close to the old one. Ask any pro in private in the off season and they tell you what they think of these shitty disc brake bikes. Good god they’re putting disc brakes on TT bikes now 😂😂
@fabioqueiros9322 Жыл бұрын
@@StopTheRot bulshit… it’s one thing to say it would be almost as fast as a new bike (probably true), but a 10 year old bike is not AS fast as a 2023 bike
@nguyenho9591 Жыл бұрын
@@fabioqueiros9322 lmao, consumer stupidity and GCN D’riding at the highest level.
@loc9588 Жыл бұрын
@@fabioqueiros9322 lmao it literally is. Given same wheels, tires and riding position it’s probably a difference of 10 watts or less
@xAudiolith Жыл бұрын
@@fabioqueiros9322they got you drinking the kool aid I see 😂
@andrewmetcalfe9898 10 ай бұрын
Love the definition of ‘old bike’ - I’m still riding a first generation Trek Madone (2004), which when I put on Zipp 404s tips the scales at just over 7kg. The only ‘new bikes’ I’m in the market for are a gravel bike and - perhaps - a new triathlon TT bike.
@MrKlop6 Жыл бұрын
it's amazing that this superbike just lay there and waited for its day. ex professionals just store them as furniture. as a beginner, I would like to buy at least some kind of bike, even if it is old and rusty. beautiful video I love GCN
@karelvandervelden8819 Жыл бұрын
Now is the time to buy quality secondhand rimbrake bikes. (its like buying secondhand CD´s)
@nealpeacocke3424 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see that Si has a new sunglasses sponsor for this years road season. Would have seemed silly hearing all about those handlebar widths knowing his old shades were the widest of them all.
@fultonlopez7846 Жыл бұрын
Tony Rominger and his hour record on a metal tube bike. From my testing, a lot of the savings in a bike, if not most, is from the tires and wheels and not the frame
@rabidsminions2079 Жыл бұрын
In 1995 I bought a pair of wheels with Zipp 40mm deep rims. Aero is not a new thing, in the 90s there were aero seat post, aero spokes, aero water bottles and campagnolo had integrated shifter brake and gear cables in the handlebar tape where as shimano were exposed. There was also aero saddle bag that was slimline and was about the width of the frame.
@Yeblad Жыл бұрын
I love that finishing bit. It's very true! I can hear an echo of 'Shoddy' over at cyclingtips with "Enjoy your riding!"
@paolopetrozzi2213 Жыл бұрын
Really well thought comparison. Thanks
@nicklewiscycling Жыл бұрын
The fact you didn't pick a power and ride to it completely moots this video. Going 'all out' is so subjective, just do 3 tests, 200w, 300w and 350w. Compare the differences. Also ensure tyres are exactly the same across both bikes as they are responsible for most of the speed.
@Cyclingchoice Жыл бұрын
No aero handle bar on the old bike, probably different width tyres running different psi, gcn will not do a controlled experiment, they know the old frame will close the gap! Not good for their sponsors.
@xAudiolith Жыл бұрын
now now the sponsors really wouldn't like that now would they
@nguyenho9591 Жыл бұрын
They don’t wanna reveal that old bikes are just as fast with the right components
@Al.2 Жыл бұрын
The fact that he didn't even show the power numbers is quite frankly ridiculous.
@budbud2509 Жыл бұрын
@@nguyenho9591 Alsp Si is a fast cyclist and Aero is more important the faster u go. If I was to do a similar test , there may be a difference but when u are lucky to do a 20 mph average the gains would be more marginal
@MrPhoto17 Жыл бұрын
This is almost my exact setup! 2013 Roubaix with Vision Metron 55’s! All bought secondhand and is still way more bike than my skills and fitness could ever max out!
@kylewish3949 Жыл бұрын
There's never a 30 second difference with matching power numbers, closer to 3 seconds
@smulismuli7976 Жыл бұрын
agree
@ollyole4560 Жыл бұрын
"Different day, different course, different weather" - He made it quite obvious that they have no intention of doing a fair comparison, shame.
@bluemystic7501 Жыл бұрын
Of course there is. A lot has changed in 10 years.
@Frandaman84 Жыл бұрын
These are the only videos I want to watch. Cause it relates to me
@ruirodrigues9122 Жыл бұрын
Love to see a video just on the 2013 Specialized stock wheels vs aero wheels...as allot of us are still riding older bikes and upgrading parts does appeal
@ag73. 10 ай бұрын
Totally agree! I ride a 2011 SL3 and my question would be how much faster I could make my SL3 with aero wheels *compared to* the SL3 with the stock wheels. Great video!
@dannb0dge Жыл бұрын
This makes me look forward to my summer bike even more. Winter bike is a Tarmac SL2 (so even older) and Summer one is a Tarmac SL6 and I'm currently flying (to my standards anyway) on the SL2
@autoxjunkie Жыл бұрын
Referring to the 2010s having wider bars as "old school" is interesting. I have a '87 Cannondale R500 hanging in the garage with bar width that's likely in line with what's currently "fashionable", where my every day '11 Trek Madone has the 44-ish mm wide bars. So going wayyy back, they were narrow. Then wide...now back to narrow.
@AR-lz2br Жыл бұрын
You can't compare two bikes regarding aerodynamics and speed if there is no power data (watts) as a reference, plus we all know Canyon is a major sponsor of GCN, so I would not take this test seriously.
@simonrichardson5259 Жыл бұрын
No, you’re right, a 10 year old non-aero bike is just as fast as a modern aero one, silly us.
@AR-lz2br Жыл бұрын
@@simonrichardson5259 I never said that dude. GCN always emphasizes bike company claims on watt savings regarding new models. Well, let us know the real life test results using watts as reference in your so called "test".
@totalcycling Жыл бұрын
I made this comment too about being sponsored by Canyon. The test is absolutely meaningless without power data. Tyres and tubes and aero bars also make a big difference. Even removing the thick padded handlebar tape from the old bike would make it faster. Were the same quality of tyres used on each run? Tyre pressure? I am sure an aero frame will be slightly faster than a non aero one but how can anyone make a conclusion based on this? It would also be more valid if someone else rather than Simon rode the bikes. He will be more comfortable on the new bike compared with one he used 10 year ago.
@andresteyn341 Жыл бұрын
Really liked the vid, also have a SL3 with a updated custom spray on it woth old S60 deep sections, love the bike and loved the video, all the way from S.A
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you liked it
@pokeybumtank2929 Жыл бұрын
Those vision wheels are actually a vision 😍
@konstantinosevangeliou9473 Жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. No need to take it any further, obviously if you do a few more modifications the bike will almost be as fast as the Canyon. But then again you can also make the Canyon even faster! 😁
@JamesSmith-qs4hx Жыл бұрын
Rim brakes for the win in 2023.
@AllanPhillips Жыл бұрын
Except they lost.
@paucruz276 Жыл бұрын
???
@AverageReviewsYT Жыл бұрын
Until they get wet… then it’s all over for peak performance. I get tired of cleaning my brakes after I go through a puddle or something.. but I’d take that over constant tweaking my rotors because god forbid you transport them or bump them slightly.. yeah that got old quick. Great performance… but got sick of rub.
@jearwood85 Жыл бұрын
I just love the locking up of the disc breaks. Panicked breaded reacently and nearly went over the handlebars. I just love that kind of power on the breaks
@alancritchley8835 Жыл бұрын
Sy this is your best video yet. Open minded, informative and have creditability with comparison of past athletes. Pure gold! Well done 👊
@totalcycling Жыл бұрын
No power data. So rather meaningless given the channel is sponsored by Canyon.
@alancritchley8835 Жыл бұрын
@@totalcycling , i agree but it was comparison that wasnt too dripping with sponsorship than normal . Specialized , canyon , vision and handlebars. I dont take it too literally
@parkerliang Жыл бұрын
I added 49mm Front and 59mm depth hoops to my Cannodale CAAD 9, it is now a speedy boy. Plus the deep section wheels makes it look fast.
@teqai Жыл бұрын
Love the self reflection at 6:25
@colecoleman1499 Жыл бұрын
This is the video we wanted to see. Aero shapes would amount to something after all. I did a recent time trial of 10:30 with super fast race tires on 2005 year , 11 kg bike with 36 spokes stock rear wheel ( cup and cone) and DT Swiss front wheel 20 spokes.
@daniboi4067 Жыл бұрын
Very nice 👌
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Nice to see you also getting involved in the retro vs modern, should we hand this bike over to Ollie and get some TT action going? 👀
@JoshGelser Жыл бұрын
Great conclusion
@ceylon-cycling-trails. 9 ай бұрын
I have done that same thing. Awesome. Tarmac SL3 with Cosmic. 😊
@JustOneWolf Жыл бұрын
Unless you are actively racing, the only thing that matters is your own fitness and that doesn't change just by adding aero parts.
@robduncan599 Жыл бұрын
I also go along with the 'Unless you are racing ' theme. Only my answer is different, it's not fitness it's enjoyment. If it's uncomfortable or a drag then you ain't gonna bother . If the riding the bike is a joy and pleasure, that should be the target?
@carlpentney290 Жыл бұрын
That SL3 is a beaut. It would be interesting to see how much the disk version of the Ksyriums slows up the Canyon.
@FFSDenny Жыл бұрын
I love the curves of that SL3 frameset.
@christopheracat7089 Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison! I like! For many people; the "bike" budget does not allow you to change bikes often. On the other hand, buying a new pair of wheels is more accessible. Thank you very much for this video. And regarding the difference in performance between the new and the "old" bike; I was sure it would be minimal.❤👍🙏
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
@robertherrera1546 Жыл бұрын
Was waiting for this video
@jonathanwei2477 Жыл бұрын
pretty slick video editing there :)
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@sasha371 Жыл бұрын
good results! much closer and I must admit the old bike looks better: modern classic!
@johngannon1 Жыл бұрын
Totally love this video. You don’t need science to have a bit of fun comparing them and now. And big shout out to the double Si scene!
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Not sure we could deal with a real double Si! 😂
@lukewalker1051 Жыл бұрын
Great video Si...couple of points as we are the same size at 186cm. 1. Your good point about position, closed hip angle aka in and down position, related power delivery and aerodynamics. I ride more 'out and up' than you do even though our contact points would be the same to the frame due to equivalent body size. This is not only more comfortable for me, almost as aero for reasons you discussed, but I can get more power down compared to what would be me riding in your position on a 56cm. I believe many decent cyclists can extrapolate from Lance who at 5'10" and shorter than us, rode a 58cm with 130mm stem. He rode perhaps more out and up aka superman position through the air than any great rider in recent history as the trend is more down and in like you ride. Also Si, you can take a page from the Eddie Merckx who is your and my size and he rode a 58cm with 130mm stem throughout his illustrious career. Eddie, like Lance and pitiful me, rode more stretched out and not quite as low and yes too low, forearms merely catch more air as torso angle is constrained by hip flexors, crank length and hip impingement at the top of the pedal stroke. 2. I am not in the camp that frame tubing shape is very dominant for aerodynamics. This is bike manufacturer propaganda to sell the more bikes. Yes, your aero bike was faster in the test. David Arthur did a wind tunnel test between his more round tube TCR and latest Trek uber sleek aero wundersled Madone and there was virtually nothing between the drag numbers with same wheels. I do concede that wheels matter...and tires btw...and handlebar width. But riding position and wheels/tires matters the most. Thanks for all your great videos over the years, your keen insight and wonderful sense of humor. Cheers from America.
@CharlieMetcalf Жыл бұрын
Yes, very surprised at the results, but honestly I have not been in super touch with cycling for a very long time. Back when I was cycling hard, Aero didn't exist, and deep rims had just started coming out. Heck Carbon bikes were still in their infancy. I own a Specialized carbon bike with straight carbon tubes and aluminum lugs. Flexed like crazy! It is amazing to see what road bikes have become over the years. Unfortunately I miss the beautiful steel frames of Eddy Merckx, Cinelli and Colnago. They were ridable works of art. With the beautiful polished Campy and gorgeous paint, WOW.
@kuri8015 Жыл бұрын
It just goes to show you, unless you are racing keep riding your old bike. I'm almost 60 and on my third bike since my late teens I won't buy another one now.
@gcn Жыл бұрын
That's good to hear! If it ain't broke!
@jefferycampbell2243 Жыл бұрын
You may want to reconsider that. I'm 65 and recently replaced my beloved 1995 Vitus with a disc brake Canyon Endurace. The more upright position and 32mm 50 psi tires made a HUGE difference in my riding comfort. Riding more than a few hours on the Vitus had become shear torture, but the Endurace has made centuries and multi-day adventure rides pleasurable again.
@YippeeSkippie426 Жыл бұрын
I'm 60 and ride a fixed gear. I don't belong here.
@kuri8015 Жыл бұрын
@@jefferycampbell2243 You could be right. I'll never say never, but at the moment I'm riding fine.
@StuartMossTV Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video again… even funnier if you are following the comedic threads from previous videos 😂. Love the sentiment at the end 👍
@tobiasmadero2727 Жыл бұрын
Cool analysis and conclusion Si. From me i can say that i've got a CADD4 r4000 road bike and i quite like to transform it into an efficient bike. That gives an old special road bike a more modern look by changing the set of wheels and other components. And it helps a lot in terms of power and confort. Besides that i cant afford a CANYON and i cant beat that time i feel quite powerfull on my cannondale, and i love it.
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with keeping it old school! Those old caad frames have a real following. Neo-retro builds can be a great option 🙌
@emmabird9745 Жыл бұрын
Hi Si, another good'un. Given that the route is different, it is a pity you didn't do this TT with the original setup so we could see the difference the wheels alone make. Apples with apples, not apples and oranges. That would be interesting. Not surprised deeper wheels make you faster. That has been the wisdom since late last century. The refinements are in the details of the shapes. The newer stuff seems to be in terms of arm positions and so on such as being faster on the hoods than on the drops (why do we still carry the weight of the hooks?). My motor cycling better half was telling me about waxed chains in '82 (he has a large round Duckams tin of wax). Good show though, keep em comming.
@mikelucas1291 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2009 Madone, about 5 years ago I bought some Flo 60mm carbon wheels to replace the Bontrager RXL. I think it bought me between 2-3km/h, but more importantly as much as I love Si's Aeroad, I think those budget aero wheels have helped me put off that new bike purchase just a few more years .... maybe afford the SLX instead of the SL!
@davidburgess741 Жыл бұрын
It's also amazing how neglected gunked up pulley wheels can cause huge drivetrain friction!
@dalis994 Жыл бұрын
Wheels can make a huge diference! If you have a decent bicycle with a budget set of wheels, get better wheels. It's not actually about speed only, It's also about feeling safer when cornering.
@nemure Жыл бұрын
This is why I won't buy ever carbon wheels, they're opposite of safe How many times I saw people end in the hospital cause their carbon wheels broke cornering just under the normal everyday tension. No crash, no summer heat, no rocks, no anything but being plastic. Cheep wheels may be a tiny bit slower but are indeed way more safer. Alloy wheels forever
@marketingsam Жыл бұрын
I'm curious how many times you were casually driving by a hospital and saw a queue of injured cyclists gripping onto collapsed carbon wheels?
@dalis994 Жыл бұрын
@@marketingsam Exactly my thought. Catastrophic failures can happen but I don't believe that there are stats that would confirm that modern carbon wheels are unsafe when cornering. Pros use it at Paris-Roubaix after all - approx 50 km of tough cobblestone roads.
@nemure Жыл бұрын
@@marketingsam sadly more than one. You can search in KZfaq videos of carbon wheels snapping
@nemure Жыл бұрын
@@dalis994 pros use them what, a month? They don't use them for years. Carbon it's terrible regarding to fatigue. Bit by bit is adding damage to the structure until one day, they snap Also don't forget some pros have World records using alloy frames and alloy wheels, carbon is just marketing
@TheLongboarder77 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I have bikes from 1974-2020 and sometimes I'm fast based on how they make me feel....ok 1874 Mercier is rarely fast but it still feels great.
@engnelsito Жыл бұрын
This video had some much more potential, like knowing how much the modern wheels improved over the Ksyriums...
@justsomedude7556 Жыл бұрын
I put a new set of wheels on my old 2015 Emonda and picked 2 to 3 mph. I love this bike...
@mluman83 8 ай бұрын
Still riding my 2015 Tarmac Comp with some 50mm Superteam wheels and feels great! I don’t take the sport as seriously as most do, but the way my bike feels, I don’t have any thoughts of buying a new bike for at least another 3 years. Still feels like a new $7k bike off the showroom floor to me.
@MrAnonimowo 11 ай бұрын
That’s nice bike :)
@mee3sy Жыл бұрын
I've got c. 2018 Mavic Ksyrium Elites on an endurance bike. With Conti 5000 tubeless tyres, they are still a fantastic set of wheels. Interesting vid Simon, though a proper scientist (Ollie) would only change one variable at a time....
@bicyclist2 Жыл бұрын
I really love the look of the light blue bike with Campy. I bought my first set of deep dish wheels at the end of last summer 22'. They are tubular Mavic Cosmic Carbone's. I got them for a very good price. I didn't feel much faster. Thanks.
@dgillies5420 Жыл бұрын
We thought that campy couldn't look any uglier after the 2003 5-pin chainwheel lost a pin and connected the crank to the 5th chainring bolt - so everybody suddenly started buy Chorus cranks. Then when they went to super-chunky carbon we though "OMG we didn't think campy could be any uglier!" But today's campy is as ugly as possible, they seem to revel in making the ugliest bike parts on the planet ...
@RationalMorality 10 ай бұрын
That SL3 is a beauty
@davidmeyer6539 Жыл бұрын
While not identical to the test GCN did here, I ran my Canyon Endurace back to back with my Aeroad over several rides just short of 68km each. My Endurace averaged 1.6 kph slower than the Aeroad on average, while averaging almost 35 kph on the Aeroad. So I can believe 1.8 kph. That sounds about right. My position wasn't identical bike to bike like Sy's.
@VincentForDesign 11 ай бұрын
Masterpiece of video transition! 🤯 1:50
@garrvict Жыл бұрын
I still mainly ride my bike from 2013. I just love the look of it and can’t let it go. BMC Teammachine slr01
@gcn Жыл бұрын
I think we can all relate there. Falling in love with your trusty steed!
@rdub-yah3880 Жыл бұрын
that spesh with those wheels and campy is primo
@robertragon8904 Жыл бұрын
Really liked the video, as i ride a bunch of older bikes that don’t have the modern tech. My newest bike, that I picked up last fall, oops, autumn for you Brits, is a 2011 Colnago CLX with Campy Record Titanium. It has Kysrium SL wheels that are probably holding my speed down, but is it worth putting a $2000 set of new deep sections on a bike that only cost me $850 on Craig’s List? So far I have said no. I’m not a racer, but then again, many of us do compete daily on Strava, and I like to see my name at the top of a leaderboard occasionally. I do agree with a lot of the comments about the look of Si’s Campy groupset compared to the current offerings from Shimano/SRAM. The Italians do have style. I personally prefer the thumb shifter on the Campy compared to STI shifters that I retrofitted to my 2008 C-Dale.
@-P-Z- Жыл бұрын
Isn't it the case the 2nd run was on slightly drier tarmac? And above all, kudos for incorporating the feedback from previous vid. Finally, knowing the power for both today's runs would spark even more comments.
@simonrichardson5259 Жыл бұрын
No it bloomin rained all day! 😂
@KuriReevel Жыл бұрын
Why not powerdata anymore? Pedal powermeter not available anywhere anymore? This was not a test, but advertizing of Canion.
@Adrian-515mm Жыл бұрын
Adding 50mm section hoops to my 2008 Cervélo made an amazing improvement to it. It now looks cool AF.
@gcn Жыл бұрын
I bet it does! Have you uploaded any photos of it to our app?
@Adrian-515mm Жыл бұрын
@@gcn I have not - most remiss of me.
@gcn Жыл бұрын
@@Adrian-515mm Do it! We want to see that bike 👉gcn.eu/app
@bateriayvr8988 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! I just did the same by adding FFWD Ryot 55's to my BMC Roadmachine... it's not at all an old bike, but I wasn't really thinking that it needed the deep section wheels... until I saw how cool AF it looks! "Ok, I just realized that I actually DID need the deeper wheelset after all!" 😆
@Adrian-515mm Жыл бұрын
@bateriayvr8988 Aye, those FFWDs make a bike look blydi lovely (and they're faster, a Triathlete pal swears by his.)
@malcolmjcullen Жыл бұрын
That generation of Campy groupset is still one of the most beautiful ever (although I still prefer the look of the previous 10 speed iteration).
@bicyclist2 Жыл бұрын
I prefer the same. Much Agreed!
@krishnansrinivasan830 Жыл бұрын
Awesome :)
@MarkusFolkesson Жыл бұрын
Brilliant last words
@JG-yp6rt Жыл бұрын
I bet the gap would have been closer if Si used a 2012 Canyon Ultimate CF SLX with modern tires and wheels with the same power output. Thanks Si your video was helpful. I don’t really need a new bike just some 50mm deep section wheels and good tires.
@JohnMFlores Жыл бұрын
LOL Chris Horner on bar ends! 😂
@nickvandam1214 10 ай бұрын
I like the idea of optimized bicycles with period tech. That would be a fun series, having the best of ea decade compared to entry level bikes of today.
@mikkolaine4883 10 ай бұрын
I just bought new pair of Shimano RS710 carbon deep section wheels (46mm) with Pirelli Cinturato Velo 32mm tyres. Damn that thing is nice to ride on tarmac and actually on hard surface gravel as well! :P (I have the old wheelset with 38mm gravel tyres still in store for rougher conditions)
@MTBScotland Жыл бұрын
amazing how much better the old bike looks with bling wheels
@gamby16a Жыл бұрын
I don't see myself giving 42cm bars up. They fit me perfectly. I don't race road (I race cross) so I mostly care about comfort on longer rides for a road bike. That said, my next bike will be steel with 50mm wheels and as aero of a fork as I can get in it. I love a traditional frame with newer parts.
@nishieda Жыл бұрын
I just helped replaced + upgraded an old Liv bike's tyre (without she knowing it is an upgrade) and she can feel a huge performance gain on flats😊
@hogroamer260 Жыл бұрын
The advances in bike technology is amazing! I recently gave away our 25 year old Trek 7200 bikes and replaced them with Aventon Soltera ebikes. The ebikes are roughly 13 pounds heavier yet I can average a mile/hour faster on the ebike. That was very exciting as I plan to ride the ebikes without motor assistance 99% of the time.
@ElRealista. 11 ай бұрын
My motorcycle is a lot of pounds heavier and yet I can reach 150km/h without problems! That thing called motor is amazing!!
@hogroamer260 11 ай бұрын
@KenchikukaYorch44 Yup, got one of those too.
@jcwms17 Жыл бұрын
I just got take-offs from my buddy at SRAM who upgraded his wife’s bike, and I got her 10yr-old Zipp 404s and SRAM Red drivetrain for my 2006 Cannondale CAAD6. I thought I was top end now! But no, I just got the equivalent of Si’s Old Bike Take-Offs! I’ll never catch up
@werdsmyth Жыл бұрын
Might want to do the beep start just after that MASSIVE pot hole! Good old Gloucestershire roads...
@printerror Жыл бұрын
I have nearly the same bike; a 2011 Specialized Secteur. Probably 40k miles on it now sure it's sure as hell seen its share of use. Starting to debate replacing it vs. upgrading it. The old SRAM Apex groupset is old school but runs perfectly, the wheels are cheap Mavic OEM-style replacements with 700x28s on it, and I can pop out for a casual century on it anytime. I can't help but CRAVE a new gravel bike. Perhaps some tubeless wheels and a modern groupset would extend the life of this that little bit longer, but damn if I don't desire a good set of disc brakes.
@gokaygs Жыл бұрын
Wow GCN content is getting slightly interesting again like many years ago! It could have been proper interesting if it there was transparency around the data such as the course parameters and watts output.
@trailzrock2 Жыл бұрын
Man, I love your specialized!! That Campy looks a thousand times better than what Shimano has been putting out throughout the decades. Saying that, I do ride shimano and sram, mostly because like with the Apple ecosystem, I’ve been entrenched and would be too costly to change all those wheels and parts I’ve accumulated over the years. Plus, shimano and sram are easier to find parts for and they’re somewhat interchangeable. That still doesn’t change the fact that Campy rocks!
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Campy is undeniably cool! It's just that premium edge that can make it hard to find parts and fix. 😬
@chriscross5689 Жыл бұрын
Could do with putting the 2013 bike as a prize. It looks stunning, especially with the deep dish wheels.
@paulprice630 9 ай бұрын
After a few years hiatus from road cycling, I just bought a 2009 Tarmac Comp that was only ridden 500 miles. Looks and feels brand new to me. I know there is better tech out there, but I love it. Over time and as budget allows, I will upgrade the wheels, maybe groupset, but for now, don't care that it's 'old', I just love being back behind bars.
@aliensporebomb Жыл бұрын
Speaking of the Mavic Ksyrium SL - they still LOOK amazing (IMO). I have a set on one of my bikes and they're really strong and light - a good thing. But at the time these were at the peak of their popularity I think no one could have foreseen the importance of aero and the development to that end in the years ahead especially lately. And the flat bladed spokes on the Ksyriums you would think would give you some aero advantage to slice through the air - they actually did seem to catch crosswinds very well. I do like them for hill climbing practice due to their lightness. Interesting test. Now I wonder if I can find a set of Vision Metrons that would work with Dura Ace V brakes that doesn't force me to take out a new mortgage.
@NicholasBowring Жыл бұрын
I don't think the wheels make much difference at all going up steep hills - my Ksyrium SL wheel equipped bike is faster than my aero bike with deep section wheels on the steep hills where I live
@gcn Жыл бұрын
@@NicholasBowring How about on flatter longer routes? Do you think the aero bike has an edge?
@NicholasBowring Жыл бұрын
@@gcn I do think the aero bike has an edge on longer flatter routes - I have a carbon aero bike with 55mm deep section rims and it is quite a bit faster on flatter routes. On the hilly routes of Derbyshire, however, there is really no difference in average speeds between the aero bike and my Mavic Kysrium equipped bike on routes I do many times. I seem to set all my hill climbing PB's on the latter. I love your videos BTW and watch them avidly.
@aliensporebomb Жыл бұрын
@@NicholasBowring Nicholas - this is interesting - I'm going to do a test once all the snow melts here with both my Ksyrium SL TI bike versus my Orbea with "medium dish" type (not carbon though) wheels on the same route - flat and climbing. It might be psychosomatic but I do believe I climb faster with the Ksyriums.
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