Gloomhaven- Who stored it better? Daedalus vs Broken Token
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@JeffAndresWilliams6 жыл бұрын
Regardless of which insert you use, do yourself a favor and get an accordion binder to store all the map tiles.
@bino9946 жыл бұрын
RIP headphone users. That music is LOUD lol Here's a tip for 2 handed solo players using BT insert - get rid of 2 unused character trays and place the minis box in its place. Then you have enough space to fit ALL the character tuckboxes where they belong, instead of folded up in the map tiles tray. And yeah, the monster tuckboxes for sleeved players is simply awful and a big disappointment. It's the primary reason to choose another insert over BT. I HATE that thing lol
@stephenmcorby5 жыл бұрын
really really really loud. I literally died.
@bradwild25 жыл бұрын
My monster tactic decks are sleeved and fit in the tuckboxes just fine - but I do have to be careful to pack the monster standees in the tuckboxes just right so they don't bulge and stress the tuckboxes. The boss one was the toughest.
@ChazAllenUK5 жыл бұрын
Downvoted for super quiet voice followed by defeaning music. Why did you think that was ok?!?
@AlexEding5 жыл бұрын
Headphones were a bad choice here... Watch the volume choices.
@Farstr1d3r6 жыл бұрын
Also, to get the minis in, just pull 2 more of the base characters out of their tuck boxes and store them in the character trays. You don’t HAVE to only use the trays for the characters you’re using. They’re for storage in the box more than they are for organization during game play. You need to take the cards and character boards put to play, anyway... when you use all four, everything fits perfectly.
@GKSchattenjaeger5 жыл бұрын
Exactly, zero issue really. Fits perfectly.
@samsaysgamereviews50756 жыл бұрын
I definitely missed the XP tracker spots in the BT insert. My bad. Also, some really good options brought up for how to store your game when only playing with 2. My favorite one is removing 2 character trays and placing the minis box where those would go. Great option. Thank you everyone for the comments and thank you for watching!
@Vypper75 жыл бұрын
Both of those “problems” are not problems, as you corrected yourself. The broken token assembly video that you can watch on youtube when putting it together shows you where everything goes, including XP tracker and mini boxes. And if cards are not sleeved, the tuck boxes are great. So those comments that lead you to pick one over the other end up being factually incorrect and do a disservice to a great BT insert for the casual viewer who doesn’t read the comments section. Overall for me the BT is better, with a cleaner brighter look and easier to grab tokens, among other benefits. But the more storage options the better !
@GregSpence6 жыл бұрын
If you'd like, you don't have to use the wooden character trays in the BT insert. You can store the characters in their original boxes like the Daedalus insert, and just remove the wooden trays so you have room for all 17 of them plus miniature box. Regarding the dials, they are definitely designed to fit inside the character trays nicely. Regarding the obstacle tiles, you can actually push down from the top to make them pop up and get them out. This eliminates the need to pick them up and push from the bottom.
@henriettebulow27064 жыл бұрын
So happy that you mention the problems that can come with sleeving your cards. We have played through 5 scenarios, so not that far in. But we need orgaizers. Takes way to long to get ready to play and set up. We have also found out sleeve is needed on the cards we shuffle and use a lot. We store our maps in a abc orginazied folder, so they wouldn't be needed in the gloomhaven box it self. To find them fast and easy, without looking through them all 🙈
@safedrivingisforlosers5 жыл бұрын
Great comparison on anyone looking to buy a Gloomhaven organizer. Shopping around for an big organizer that is potentially costing half of what you paid for the game is great. It lets you see it assembled and you can see it in action vs seeing a bunch of pictures on sites. Great video and hope to see more of these! You gained a subscriber!
@cfosburg6 жыл бұрын
I would also have liked to see what setup looked like with each organizer and compare setup times. Great job, I wish someone would have done this 6 months ago! FYI- The XP disks fit perfectly into each of the character trays. Character boards sit on top of the disks- like a glove. Suggestion 1: take out 2 additional characters you aren’t playing with and store them in the character trays- problem solved! Suggestion 2: Find all the terrain tiles you will need for each scenario, before you start playing them you can set them to the side until you are ready to use them.
@gozzywozzy4853 жыл бұрын
"it's always the last tile that I look at". Well... once you've found what you're looking for - why WOULD you keep looking? Of COURSE it's going to be the last one, silly billy :) Great comparison btw, good work! Gives us lots to consider when shopping around for inserts, thank you!
@samsaysgamereviews50753 жыл бұрын
Good point! I think you know what I meant though :) . Thank you! Hopefully I will have some more videos out soon enough. I am starting to do some more with the channel so stay tuned!
@papertelevision6 жыл бұрын
Def the best comparison of these 2 around so good work there. Definitely suggest working on volume levels as the core video is super quiet but the music is blasting :)
@kimbutler39563 жыл бұрын
I put my board pieces in an accordion file holder, and then I put the 3 extra boxes in the board tray box for Broken Token.
@3Dprint4you3 жыл бұрын
I loved the Daedalus insert so much more but as has been stated it is out of business.
@kimbutler39563 жыл бұрын
Also, love your choice of board games. We have a lot of the same ones.
@samsaysgamereviews50752 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You obviously have good taste. :)
@mjkuehl6 жыл бұрын
I have the Broken Token insert: The Dials for Health and experience go into the character trays. To fix the Miniatures boxes issue just take an extra starting character out of its tuck box and put it in a character tray (unused)(you only need three characters out for it to fit). The real problem I can see for both inserts but especially for the Daedalus Insert is when the expansion comes out. I feel like I maybe able to fit a good portion of the expansion material in with the current Broken token insert not the Daedalus. The enemy tuck boxes in the broken token insert are not that bad if you don't sleeve the attack modifier cards.
@DSK20076 жыл бұрын
Matt Kuehl I sleeved all of my cards and everything fit back in those tuck boxes. I used cheap (thin) sleeves.
@Otterpawp5 жыл бұрын
Work on that sound balance man. Listen to it all the way through before you publish.
@kaneo16 жыл бұрын
Bought Glooomhaven last week. OMG it is complicated just unboxing!! Either of these would have been wonderful as first-party inclusions! I'd prefer the Daedalus design with the BT colors: dark can be hard to read sometimes.
@ShasXV6 жыл бұрын
I found that with the BT insert if you are playing a two player game you can take one of the player trays out and fit two of the class boxes in it's place on top or bottom. This allows you to still put the mini tray in the box.
@imrolok6 жыл бұрын
Fair review of each insert. Well done!
@ChuckBurgess14 жыл бұрын
Hey Sam, if Deadelus didn't stain the insert, would it still be your choice over the Broken Token insert?
@DiggleTime6 жыл бұрын
I personally use the broken token and I love it. I manage to fit everything in the box just fine
@pigeonfarmboy5 жыл бұрын
Wish my Daedalus inserts had more contrast to the Label Etchings like yours. Mine are very hard to read. After building several other Broken Token inserts I would rather build their inserts as the fit is much tighter and easier to glue-up.
@davisthompson26146 жыл бұрын
Very well done comparison video, I'm waiting for my copy of Gloomhaven and thinking an insert might be a necessity. This was good information, especially since I wasn't aware Daedalus had an insert available.
@MiCkO874 жыл бұрын
I always wanted tinnitus, thanks mate
@benjaminwit10985 жыл бұрын
you can fit all the charecter boxes in the charecter box display from gloomhaven i got the broken token insert
@drglamm6 жыл бұрын
Another thing that any serious gloomhaven players have to take into consideration is apps available for your phone/tablets that alleviated a lot of the issues mentioned. Monster AI, GH hit point tracker *(which includes a "room" number that your players can all link to see hit points of monsters. My games are all conducted without the need of the Monster AI cards, the monster attack decks, nor the monster cards to track hit points or conditions. Makes playing AND more importantly set up of gloomhaven so much more interesting. SO much so, that apps really negate a lot of the seeming benefits of having these, lets face it, fairly expensive storing solutions.
@scrooge-mcduck5 жыл бұрын
This is becoming a sport discipline in itself!
@samsaysgamereviews50755 жыл бұрын
Gregory Dworak I don’t understand your comment?
@scrooge-mcduck5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I was referring to the cottage industry that has sprung around design/production/sales of board game organisers. As you have observed yourself, there is a fair bit of mental gymnastics involved in putting them together and then back inside the box. And the prices of those things! In a few months I expect a Top 10 Gloomhaven Organisers video :) As I have just received my copy of the game I have yet to play it but my gut UX instinct tells me that an application, be it a game or otherwise, requiring so many fiddly bits, rules and/or external (organiser) products should have been designed more elegantly out-of-the-box. see this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sNyjlLqEzLm4eoU.html
@oniashc6 жыл бұрын
My Ears! jokes aside, Great Video!
@Baldwolf635 жыл бұрын
I very much understand the balking at the cost. But I really enjoyed your work here. I'm still torn between the two organizers. Broken Token put out a KZfaq video that showed how they store the 2nd edition that mitigates some of your concerns, but I really really like the look of Daedalus' boxes. I've subscribed so if you do more, I'll check it out.
@chaddrake92416 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. Broken Token is everywhere. I do most of my shopping via local store first... support local gaming economy (nope no inserts) ebay... and amazon. I would not have discovered Daedalus if not for this video. Thanks@
@topgun50545 жыл бұрын
I went with MeepleRealty for the Gloomhaven insert. Pretty impressive construction.
@SebGruch4 жыл бұрын
I'd selected a WarBox set, and I'm in love of it.
@hashedone4 жыл бұрын
I also have it, but I struggle what to do with characters skills cards. Obviously they can be stored in their envelopes which I think is the idea, but I am affraid, that opening and closing them all the time may hurt them quickly.
@games4life9616 жыл бұрын
I got the BK insert. Here are some modifications I made to it : - I’m not using those character trays at all. I don’t really like them anyways. Instead, I build a custom foam core tray (white so it blends well with the tuck boxes and trays) which is smaller than the four character trays (stacked). This foam core section fits next to all character tuck boxes and the minis tray. It contains the dials, the biggest monster standee, the party sheets, a few cards. I could fit more in that foam core insert as there’s lots of room left. This also avoids having to flatten the character boxes that would either be removed from the box or added to the map tiles tray. - I have room left to slide the element track between the minis tray and the box so it doesn’t end up in the map tile tray, causing extra bulge in that tray if I were to put it there. - I labelled my component (ex: overlay tiles) trays so I dont’t have to look for the double sided pieces. - I taped the bottom of all character tuck boxes and all monster tuck boxes to avoid cards or small tokens from sliding out. FYI : the envelopes and town record go inside the big cards tray. There is a secret compartment for those under the tray. Note : I find that the BK insert simply has less trays overall to take out of the box. You don’t even have to take every tray out of the box to gather what you need for a scenario.
@JJ305JJ4 жыл бұрын
To bad Daedalus went out of business. I wanted their insert for GH. I’m glad I was able to get their mage knight inserts.
@ejrz65535 жыл бұрын
Broken Token. Daedalus was storing cards horizontally in an open container. Thats just a disaster waiting to happen.
@lianagkouvi22966 жыл бұрын
i like daedalus insert, but it gives me a feel of throughing in the spare parts, especially the tiles and the rules/campaign book
@MarkDeibert5 жыл бұрын
Yeah music is insane loud and voice is barely audible. Good content bruh. I enjoyed all but the sound issues :-)
@andrewrogers67445 жыл бұрын
Gaming Trunk has the best IMO. The way everything is stored makes more sense.
@indianajo8836 жыл бұрын
Should compare with Meeple Realty as well I'm curious to see how it stacks up.
@imrolok6 жыл бұрын
I have the Meeple Realty insert. It's pretty similar to the Broken Token insert. I think Broken Token does a better job with having a tray for all the room tiles. Unlike the complaint he has about not being able to fit in the miniatures Meeple Realty doesn't have that issue. However Meeple Realty doesn't have the player deck boxes. Those would be very cool to have and make set up just a tiny bit faster.
@MrZeroKage6 жыл бұрын
Super helpful! I just order my copy of gloomhaven and I know what I'm going to order next
@truesurfer19896 жыл бұрын
Darren Radford which?
@MrZeroKage6 жыл бұрын
I'm going to order the Daedalus insert. Both look great but I like how the Daedalus one sort and labels everything. Everything has a place and it easy to find.
@GameHorder4 жыл бұрын
Looks like they are out of bizzy
@Person-zt5nq4 жыл бұрын
Fitting the map tiles in at the end with Daedelus is a freaking nightmare! The entire thing is enough of a puzzle to begin with, but having to put the map tiles in just the right order is really annoying. Idk maybe they should include a 1 pg pdf to print with directions on that as a workaround (the layout PDF is 23 pages). Btw I appreciate the review overall; I also tried both, though I still wonder if any of the other organizers are better. Aside I wonder how much space you'd need for 3d printed versions instead of cardboard...
@Person-zt5nq5 жыл бұрын
have you looked at any other gloomhaven organizers since this video?
@richardhensman1045 жыл бұрын
One thing you didn't compare, that is specifically important to me for GH - how well does each insert survive the box being laid on its side? GH fits some board game bags, but none of them while the right way up, so this game is going to end up stored sideways!
@galx51994 жыл бұрын
Geek On! makes a variety of game bags (2 backpacks and a shuttletote) that I have found are quite good for transporting games (and they are designed to take into account over-sized games like Gloomhaven). Of the designs they currently have, only the shuttletote bag would keep Gloomhaven upright (the backpacks will end up storing the game on its side). Here is a link to their Kickstarter page where you should be able to make pre-orders for their latest poducts (which should actually be shipping fairly soon to backers). www.kickstarter.com/projects/geekon/boardgame-backpack-tote-bag-folding-dice-tower-and-more/description
@tehkyle5 жыл бұрын
would a workaround for the broken token is to make two "dummy" player sets with two of the other starting boxes? fold the boxes flat and organize the cards/tokens but don't use it?
@inabina29255 жыл бұрын
Kyle Levien Yep. That’s what I do and it works perfectly.
@majdees5 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I did lol
@arrenmund87325 жыл бұрын
When putting the cards and standees back into the tuck boxes just do exactly what is in the "how it fits" video: put the box on the table, put the cards on the flap to the box, arrange the standees on the cards, then just slide it all in together. It works perfectly! I put them all in without too much of an issue when assembling it but couldn't believe the boss box was possible, until I saw this in the "how it fits" video and I haven't had an issue since. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g9ugos2I3LjIlGw.html
@mrmgrace6 жыл бұрын
I put the health and HP thing in the character wooden box.. fits nice :)
@growrz5 жыл бұрын
It would be really nice if you included links in the description.
@Person-zt5nq5 жыл бұрын
This was really useful. I just finished putting together the broken token version, and I totally agree about the character tuck boxes. So annoying for setup and tear-down. Especially if you sleeve your cards, which you should.
@TheDentedarmor5 жыл бұрын
When you said you sleave cards, do you mean that you sleeve all cards, or just the essentials? I’m just wondering how the sleeving would work if you only sleeve 200- 300 of the cards as opposed to all of them?
@samsaysgamereviews50755 жыл бұрын
I sleeve every card. In Gloomhaven I actually sleeve as I go. Only the cards I have access to are sleeved.
@tommyderossett53314 жыл бұрын
How hard is it to pull 2 other characters out though and put them in a tray? Super special solution
@jwspiker6 жыл бұрын
very helpful, really think this would be a good segment for Dicetower or something. especially if companies could send you inserts(problem being needing two copies of same game as well. now if i only could see the meeple reality compared as well.
@samsaysgamereviews50756 жыл бұрын
Jason Wayne Speicher If you get your hands on a Meeple Realty insert I would gladly compare!
@Farstr1d3r6 жыл бұрын
I think you missed the BT location for storing the HP/XP trackers. They go in the character trays, across the top, nested in the cutout. You can see the notch for the, in the main cross bar that separates the card area from the token/attack mod card area.
@HAPrime6 жыл бұрын
How did you get the Deadalus Productions kit? It said November 2018 on their Kickstarter
@RedRobRugby6 жыл бұрын
I got the Meeple Realty organizer, and I wish I had bought Daedalus instead. Meeple Realty has wasted space in some of its containers, and doesn’t have any storage solution for some components. They’re just loose. Don’t recommend.
@nightelf20044 жыл бұрын
I think my version of gloomhaven has more map tiles and I also have the daedalus organizer. How do you store all of them in yours?
@ivanrivera33875 жыл бұрын
Why do you have two copies of Gloomhaven??
@estherdebie68364 жыл бұрын
I really don’t understand what you big issue is with the broken token boxes? So you can store all of them. I love the four character trays. So you need to swap characters around every now and then? It might be a bit of extra work, but you make it sound like something that may actually take 1-2 minutes will take hours. If you have a problem with that I wonder whether you’re actually ready for life.
@JLH1111766 жыл бұрын
Used a tiny microphone to record audio
@matzew72565 жыл бұрын
Will the Daedalus also Store the First Expansion after it is available?
@rober44 жыл бұрын
You see. Just play with the app. You only need the scenerario tiles and some enemies, coins and traps and a few cards. The rest is unnecessary at best.
@crossphone16 жыл бұрын
Can you show how you unbox and restore the charters your currently playing?
@davidchow35184 жыл бұрын
I can’t seem to find the Daedalus insert any where online is it no longer available?????
@JoeDoc4 жыл бұрын
They are now out of business. Great product but terrible business practice, constant issues with taking peoples money and not getting products out (personal experience and tons of reviews), or having product problems and not getting them corrected. You’re better off with a different company anyway.
@fjhope825 жыл бұрын
How did you find the texture of the wood and varnish on the daedulus insert?
@GuideauxPelagos6 жыл бұрын
IMO neither.... ok it looks good and is nicely together with everything tugged away in the original box, but imo the best way is just to get more boxes instead of spending a s-load of money for storage containers. if one carries around a 10kg box already why not get 1 shoe boxes where one puts in all the big tiles and 2x $3 organizer for the monsters. A big irritation of Gloomhaven is the time for setting it up...while these storage systems are nice...it still takes a really long time to get everything out, placed and set up te board. Also since I sleeved all the cards....the storage seems to be less ideal anyway. Best is to simply spread the content over more boxes...get the tiles and monsters out of the original box and there is loads of room to get the rest back in without having to puzzle everytime you want to play a boardgame.
@morarim6 жыл бұрын
Guido Pelagos no, the inserts make a HUGE difference with set up and tear down.
@kanaverum6 жыл бұрын
I was using a variety of boxes before and thought everything was fine... then I transported Gloomhaven for the first time and it was an awful experience. Being able to fit everything in the box cleanly is amazing and makes transport much easier. But if you don’t ever take Gloomhaven outside of your home, then I probably would’ve just stuck with multiple organizer boxes (Hobby Lobby) as well :)
@crumbum24 жыл бұрын
Ahhhhh! The music is so loud!! Its too bad you can't edit this video to make the levels more reasonable.
@Person-zt5nq5 жыл бұрын
I wonder how those compare to the Meeple Reality and GO7Gaming versions... Or Gloombox By Laserox
@fan-i-am5 жыл бұрын
go7gaming is the PREMIUM! (i have it)
@ralphco05 жыл бұрын
Tell me more about your table!!!
@thugsnbugs12506 жыл бұрын
Are the status conditions for the deadalus insert just all piled into one big mess??
@samsaysgamereviews50756 жыл бұрын
Brennan B There are 2 small trays for the condition tokens. It isn’t the best but it functions just fine while you are playing. The BT condition token storage is better for sure.
@DonPers6 жыл бұрын
May I have your second copy of Gloomhaven? I take the one with the Daedalus insert thank you!:D
@BoardGameCoffee4 жыл бұрын
I need a broken token insert :)
@UrbanNilssonOssian5 жыл бұрын
SamSays needs a microphone
@jeremylowe70296 жыл бұрын
I ripped a seam on my box trying to mess with storing it after opening it >.
@BrianLiles6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!
@manonfire4jc5 жыл бұрын
Do either one of these have room for the upcoming expansion?
@samsaysgamereviews50755 жыл бұрын
Nope! There really isn't room in the box for anything other than the base game. There is too much stuff.
@arrenmund87325 жыл бұрын
@@samsaysgamereviews5075 Broken token has an additional purchase (or if you buy the base organize now it's included) that supports storing everything from Forgotten Circles.
@Person-zt5nq5 жыл бұрын
What sleeves do you suggest for gloomhaven?
@samsaysgamereviews50755 жыл бұрын
You can really use any. Personally, I use Mayday Premium sleeves. Good quality for a good price. Any sleeves should work though.
@mindseyeproductions87985 жыл бұрын
Broken my speakers....
@dbhq776 жыл бұрын
Maybe you want to check out this one as well: laserox.net/GloomBox Rahdo has it reviewed.
@Ezekialify5 жыл бұрын
They both suck. accordion binder + fishing tackle boxes are the best way to go, and like 1/20th the cost.
@arikwolf37775 жыл бұрын
I think this is the way to go. These insert trays are more expensive than the game itself.
@davethedm5 жыл бұрын
Go7 >>>>>>>>
@Eurodance_Groove6 жыл бұрын
DEADALUS... HOW MANY EUROS DOES IT COST ???
@samsaysgamereviews50756 жыл бұрын
10005999 Website Says $85 USD. I suppose it depends on the exchange rate!
@drglamm6 жыл бұрын
A big problem for me. Dude, open up two more character boxes. You know, one of the none locked ones. Problem solved. Really. This was a big problem for you? Seriously?
@metalislife22456 жыл бұрын
Daedalus. Hands down.
@davethedm5 жыл бұрын
If you don’t mind waiting 5 months
@b1ffd5 жыл бұрын
12:32 fits like a glove
@Kingepticon6 жыл бұрын
Who stored it better? After an embarrassing amount of research Go7Gaming stored it the best.
@mrmgrace6 жыл бұрын
Great review... I have broken token.. now I wish I had daedalus... hahah ohh well :) nice stuff
@TheKiltedKraut5 жыл бұрын
I appreciate what you tried to do with this video...but you need to learn the basics of something before you go out and do it. Take producing a video as an example. Consistent sound levels matter!! Let's just say on an audio scale from 1 to 10 (with 5 being the volume level that you started with in the beginning of the video)...when you cut to the scene where you were taking apart the broken token organizer, the volume jumped up to about a 9...and then when you came back after the Daedalus example was completed...the volume went down to about a 3. A good video is about good quality video and good quality and consistent audio!
@wedgeex6 жыл бұрын
The answer: Meeple Realty :D
@mbrad855 жыл бұрын
Do NOT take the advice of this video. IT NO LONGER HOLDS ALL THE CARDBOARD CUTOUTS WELL, they have either redesigned it, or a new version of Gloomhaven was released. Stick with Broken Token, it is a far superior product. Please check reddit/r/gloomhaven for a more robust review from me which for some reason is not showing up on the Daedalus website.
@geerstyresoil31364 жыл бұрын
go7gaming or go home, lol
@mrmgrace6 жыл бұрын
Broken Token has no labels... yeah kills me...
@geerstyresoil31364 жыл бұрын
go7gaming I like better then broken token, it labels everything.
@scorrgasm6 жыл бұрын
Your BIAS is showing.
@kraziel Жыл бұрын
10:42 No. That is not it. Where are the cards? Why are these companies making these storages don't make the single obvious thing with monster in this game? Which is combining everything into a box with their Stats Sheet as the cover and everything (cards, standees and initiative names) inside of it, for each separate monster.