Gluck: The Origin of Queer Art

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4 жыл бұрын

Homosexuality was heavily frowned upon in the UK at the beginning of the 20th century. For men, it was illegal and, for women, it was invisible. Queer artist Gluck (1895-1978) became a notable artist of this period despite wearing male clothes and having female loves, while being considered a woman by their contemporaries. The painting analyzed in this video essay, Medallion (YouWe) (1936), is one of their most famous as it is one of the first depiction of a queer relationship in art history.
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@azul4904
@azul4904 2 жыл бұрын
the way you're so respectful of Gluck's identity is sincerely touching. its infuriating how most of the times this is not the case. I'm doing an investigation on them and most sources still call them "Hannah"
@SewardWriter
@SewardWriter Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why it's so hard to call people by their chosen names. I'm starting to go by my (gender neutral) Hebrew name, but some people will never get the hang of it.
@jokig
@jokig Жыл бұрын
@@SewardWriter there's no real reason except, at best, forgetfulness/ignorance, and at worst, a blatant lack of respect. Either way it sucks, and I feel your frustration.
@GuilhermePereira-vi6vc
@GuilhermePereira-vi6vc Жыл бұрын
@@jokig yes, I am disrespectful
@GordonBrevity
@GordonBrevity Жыл бұрын
@@SewardWriter Why was she like this? Gluck, I mean. Her mind was clearly troubled.
@GordonBrevity
@GordonBrevity Жыл бұрын
No one dares to be other than "respectful", even if 99% of the sex/gender crap is absolutely absurd.
@mediocreman6323
@mediocreman6323 Жыл бұрын
I suppose most depictions of lesbian love are sexualised because the people who commissioned them were usually heterosexual men, and in my opinion, herein lies the difference. Gluck was not a heterosexual man, thus Gluck's depiction is authentic. And I suppose in that respect incredibly rare.
@spiralingspiral72
@spiralingspiral72 Жыл бұрын
Same reason why a lot of fictional works nowadays (manga, fanfictions, etc.) about homosexual men are usually not accurate, because they are mostly written by heterosexual (or even homosexual) women due to a lack of homosexual men willing to express themselves. Just as mentioned in this video, sadly, homosexuality among men is reviled upon way more than women.
@Retronomicon18
@Retronomicon18 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I’m lesbian myself and I’m sick of not being able to be in a loving relationship with my wife without some creepy person making a sexual comment about the fact we’re a lesbian couple. The most authentic depictions of lesbian love are usually made by either lesbians or queer people.
@matrixiekitty2127
@matrixiekitty2127 Жыл бұрын
It’s so wonderful to learn about a non-binary person from history! So many of them are erased out of hate and ignorance, so it’s beautiful to see someone respectful of a historical person’s identity!
@seanw159
@seanw159 Жыл бұрын
Not too proud to say that during your explanation of using the term Queer, and using gender neutral pronouns for the artist, I burst into tears. I guess I didn't realize how much seeing artists similar to myself represented meant to me. Thank you.
@franklinstephen3268
@franklinstephen3268 Жыл бұрын
Hi how are you doing?
@jackdegenhart424
@jackdegenhart424 4 жыл бұрын
Beautifully told, edited, and researched. Thank you for your hard work on such an important topic. Maybe showcase gay art next?
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the beautiful comment! That topic will certainly get revisited in the future! Ig you're interested, I also made a short video on David Hockey's Portrait of an Artist! It portrays the love story between David Hockney and Peter Schlesinger. Enjoy!!
@FolkloreLove310
@FolkloreLove310 4 жыл бұрын
This whole video is just so beautiful and respectful. Just...woah
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@bebekelly4407
@bebekelly4407 11 ай бұрын
It’s shocking. Absolutely mentally it stuff.
@gabudovx6913
@gabudovx6913 4 жыл бұрын
Very well written and presented content! We appreciate it!
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That's very sweet! I'm happy the work is appreciated!
@echoesdetoi537
@echoesdetoi537 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the way it is explained, and how respectful and wholesome this subject is.
@Julie-mi1dz
@Julie-mi1dz Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this content. Thank you for treating Gluck's legacy and their gender identity with so much respect.
@azul4904
@azul4904 2 жыл бұрын
I'm doing an investigation of Gluck and this video was not only beautiful but extremely helpful, thank you!
@moth9659
@moth9659 Жыл бұрын
Do you have any other sources you used for your investigation? I want to learn more about the artist but I can’t find more videos about them
@azul4904
@azul4904 Жыл бұрын
@@moth9659 yes! i finished it a year ago so i’ll have to look for the bibliography but i’m sure i have it somewhere. i’ll look for it and i could send it to you, do you have an email address? they’re mostly articles but i think there’s a couple videos too.
@-divinetragedy
@-divinetragedy 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video and the beautiful way you told the story of Gluck
@TrappedTrea
@TrappedTrea 7 ай бұрын
As a non-binary person: Thank you. Thank you so much.
@georgemohr7532
@georgemohr7532 Жыл бұрын
The intelligent content: my reason for returning to your video library on a nearly daily basis. IMHO you are one of the best art channels on KZfaq, along with CAI my other favorite.
@hawk0485
@hawk0485 4 жыл бұрын
I thought you stopped making videos because I didn't see any in my subscription feed for quite some time. I guess these days, if you don't hit the bell icon, you won't know a video was posted if it's a small channel. By the end, I was glad I watched this one, even though the subject doesn't really interest me. I like your idea about the painting being a depiction of love as a source of meaning rather than just sexual gratification. If the dialogue around queer relationships would focus on providing paths to empathy rather than the politics of guilt of victimization, people on the outside like myself would feel much less vexed and would be much more accepeting. I have to say, I almost liked the self-portrait you briefly showed at 9:14 more than the piece the video is about. The look on Glucks face is really fascinating. There is pride in the raised chin, but also pain and sadness in the eyes as well as something like judgement. It's a very comlex emotion. I am really impressed by it.
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 4 жыл бұрын
I'm very happy that Gluck's video is the one you're coming back to! I absolutely agree with you! That portrait is extremely nuanced and ambiguous and those two things really gives it its strength! Thank you for your feedback and thanks for the encouragement!
@JayVBear45
@JayVBear45 Жыл бұрын
And are you going to cover Male homoerotic art? From the Greeks to Tom of Finland or Arthur Tress maybe?
@valentinapa4947
@valentinapa4947 4 жыл бұрын
Quality video as always!! Thank you:)
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 4 жыл бұрын
No thank YOU Valentina!
@refi257
@refi257 Жыл бұрын
Thank u sm for this. As a queer person I feel so educated and respected at the same time
@chilichinashop
@chilichinashop Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video with beautiful production! Your channel has grown so much, but even your past videos were simply amazing 🤩
@leftpelvis3246
@leftpelvis3246 Жыл бұрын
i had no idea this person existed until now. they resonate with me and i see a bit of myself in them. thank you for making a video about them, especially in a time when many people would claim that being queer is a "trend" and they didn't see people like us in the past, when we were simply silenced, ignored, or oppressed entirely.
@Sofia-gg2oc
@Sofia-gg2oc 3 жыл бұрын
This is a respectful video i appreciate that
@michaelpecukonis5074
@michaelpecukonis5074 Жыл бұрын
I only watched two videos so far but fell in love with this channel
@chungies
@chungies Жыл бұрын
This was gorgeous. Thank you for introducing me to Gluck!
@marshallsnyder8827
@marshallsnyder8827 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for such a well researched and respectful video. It is often difficult for those of us in the queer community to find resources and information about our queer history. It is still so commonplace to find our history continually boiled down as though we are solely objects of shock and awe and not complex humans experiencing a complex existence just like anyone else. Thank you for offering a video that treats the work and the artist with respect and contemplation instead of mockingly scandalous.
@esquizo1565
@esquizo1565 Жыл бұрын
great video! thank you for introducing to such an amazing artist
@MamaMeansFatherInGeorgian
@MamaMeansFatherInGeorgian Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video indeed, thank you. Just want to note that as I was searching for more info about Gluck, I found out that the pic of two ( 5:25 ), represents not Gluck with Nesta but Gluck with Edith Heald. Could you clear up, who is on the photo in fact?
@crownedoll
@crownedoll Жыл бұрын
Such an interesting video, thanks for sharing!
@nightgarla
@nightgarla 3 жыл бұрын
how tf does this only have 160 views
@aurosdethor7108
@aurosdethor7108 Жыл бұрын
As a transgender woman Im really grateful for this kind of content💜
@sam08g16
@sam08g16 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Vito!!
@jesterdays
@jesterdays 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this needs more views
@jimmyhsp
@jimmyhsp 3 жыл бұрын
this video is amazing omg
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Jimmy!!
@ScythosMusic
@ScythosMusic Жыл бұрын
The thing that always gets me is how comfortable people tend to be with lesbian couples vs gay men or bisexual. I know that somethings male couples are represented, but by comparison people are always more comfortable with lesbians. Just think it’s odd.
@bweeeeniee1131
@bweeeeniee1131 Жыл бұрын
I think it's got something to do with society seeing men as predatory. Women are viewed to be meek, so lesbian representation is not really frowned upon in today's media. It's more noticeable in children's cartoons where lesbian couples are being explicitly showed as couples like PB and Marceline.
@Lizzifer7
@Lizzifer7 Жыл бұрын
@@bweeeeniee1131 but legend of Korra got cancelled (on Nickelodeon) because she was lesbian 😭
@dontask7409
@dontask7409 Жыл бұрын
@@Lizzifer7 that was around 2012-2013, where anything queer was not allowed. However afterwards there was a noticeable trend of queer women in kids shows as opposed to queer men
@00muinamir
@00muinamir Жыл бұрын
​@@bweeeeniee1131 historically it used to be that women's sexuality was invisible when it didn't involve a man or some form of penetrative sex. I think that baggage still carries over today.
@eoincampbell1584
@eoincampbell1584 Жыл бұрын
There are a number of things that lead to this. -The fetishization of lesbianism as mentioned in the video that means a lot of heterosexual men don't mind lesbian relationships because they find them hot (while also simultaneously often assuming that a woman can't possibly actually be satisfied with relationships with other women and seeing lesbianism as a phase or thing that exists for the purpose of threesomes). -The general wider acceptance of women showing affection in physical ways with each other. It's perfectly normal for women to hold hands, kiss each other on the cheeks, cuddle, etc. without any accusation of homosexuality as men might receive. So when that's taken one step further to kissing on the lips it can easily be seen as quite chaste by some. (See r/sapphoandherfriend for a lot of examples of this.) -The underlying misogyny behind a lot of homophobia. A huge part of the reason that gay men are shunned is because liking men is seen as a feminine trait, and we live in a society in which femininity is seen as generally worse than masculinity. When a woman takes on a masculine trait (here: liking women) that can be easily seen as an upgrade (see also: girlboss culture). Essentially it's the same reason why women can wear pants but men can't wear dresses.
@chantalrochon3566
@chantalrochon3566 4 ай бұрын
Great video, insightful. Thank you ❤❤❤❤
@Bruh-fr9js
@Bruh-fr9js 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video
@lilac.0464
@lilac.0464 Жыл бұрын
Thankyou so much for sharing!~
@michaelmouse1
@michaelmouse1 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating history. Thank you.
@ismaelgomezaguila5554
@ismaelgomezaguila5554 Жыл бұрын
thanks por este material que sin duda utilizaré en mis clases de Arte; gracias por acercarnos a cuadros como el de Gluck que habla del amor entre personas más allá de su género
@Ancient_4
@Ancient_4 Жыл бұрын
What is the purpose of a mirror?
@Gamandizer
@Gamandizer 4 жыл бұрын
Of course this video has a single dislike lmao. Art should be challenging!
@andrzejmaranda3699
@andrzejmaranda3699 Жыл бұрын
The Canvas: this video is VERY IMPORTANT!
@YochevedDesigns
@YochevedDesigns Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the female/non-binary/queer representation. We are so undervalued in general. It seems to me that the queer art world in particular is very male dominated. Gluck is a serious hottie! Where can I meet someone like that?
@Punpun_sugar
@Punpun_sugar 7 ай бұрын
There's many afab non-binary people that are very prominent in media I'd argue more than amab non-binary
@Cxrpzzz
@Cxrpzzz 5 ай бұрын
​@@Punpun_sugar id argue we should focus less on nonbinary people's agab in general. Dividing nonbinary people into another binary kind of defeats the point imo
@Punpun_sugar
@Punpun_sugar 5 ай бұрын
@@Cxrpzzz I'm just pointing out a common occurrence that I see in media. I'm not dividing anything
@vicentejouclas2518
@vicentejouclas2518 2 жыл бұрын
Valeu!
@letitbeenow
@letitbeenow Жыл бұрын
Emma Goldman was incredibly based. Power to her!!!
@KarlSnarks
@KarlSnarks Жыл бұрын
Yeah I thought she couldn't be more cool and ahead of her time than I already thought, and now I discover she even recognized non-binary gender identity!? Hell yeah, f*cking icon!
@theodore1263
@theodore1263 Жыл бұрын
from a lesbian, thank you so much for making this video
@waynejones750
@waynejones750 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved this ❤
@blas5i
@blas5i Жыл бұрын
briliant!
@rodriguestaani4707
@rodriguestaani4707 2 жыл бұрын
🌈Thank you 🌈thank you thank you🌈
@TedEhioghae
@TedEhioghae 2 жыл бұрын
Shut up.
@mkultrasex
@mkultrasex Жыл бұрын
I loved the video but I would note calling Gluck a lesbian isn't bad, even if Gluck wasn't a woman a lot of lesbians themselves express this [gay men also express gender diversity and rejection of gender labels] because of the cishetronormative ways gender and sexuality are tied together a lot of lesbians consider themselves outside of the gender binary.
@eoincampbell1584
@eoincampbell1584 Жыл бұрын
I would agree that it isn't bad because of your outlined reasons. But it is undeniable that outside of the lesbian community the word generally means women loving women and so using the more widely recognised umbrella term of queer was I think a better move for communicating to a wider audience that Gluck did not identify as a woman.
@user-iv6gy7hb8u
@user-iv6gy7hb8u Жыл бұрын
this was so interesting!!!
@yotubr08
@yotubr08 Жыл бұрын
J Edgar Hoover called her the most "Dangerous women in America" Well Mary now we know different.
@hera0065
@hera0065 Жыл бұрын
Historians: They were uhm-uh- alter egos
@kenster8270
@kenster8270 10 ай бұрын
Either that, or room mates!
@Ash-hn8pf
@Ash-hn8pf Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for not using she/her pronouns on them and for using their preferred name. I'm studying them for art class and most of the sources I've come across refer to them as a women with she/her pronouns, and still use the name "Hannah"
@kirstiehiorns2702
@kirstiehiorns2702 Жыл бұрын
doesnt matter. the art is wonderful
@IronyOfNadir
@IronyOfNadir Жыл бұрын
💔
@Carbonoid1
@Carbonoid1 2 жыл бұрын
Nonbinary Lesbians Holla
@straps-of-skin
@straps-of-skin 2 жыл бұрын
I hate learning about people i will never be able to befriend. She sounds like such a cool person.
@cassiefromooo
@cassiefromooo Жыл бұрын
they sound like
@kirstiehiorns2702
@kirstiehiorns2702 Жыл бұрын
whether gay or not the artwork is beautiful. so whats the prob?
@NormanFinkelstein9863
@NormanFinkelstein9863 Жыл бұрын
How is representation of QUEER sexuality in art history problematic ?
@BillHendricksShadowmason
@BillHendricksShadowmason 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting how you are deleting my comments. All I am saying that people should give someone permission to call them queer. Yes some believe as you do, for my generation as well as hers it was a means to humiliate. For some it was the last thing they heard before beaten unconscious or beaten to death.
@anotherworldhopper5344
@anotherworldhopper5344 3 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry that you have had such horrible experiences with the term, but ‘queer’ is no longer considered a slur by much of the current generation of lgbt people. For example, ‘queer theory’ is a general term used for lgbt studies that isn’t inherently offensive. I wouldn’t mind being labeled as queer, and many of my LGBT friends wouldn’t either, as long as it’s not used in a derogatory way. I don’t think he meant any harm, and by using queer as an umbrella term he’s validating non-binary people.
@BillHendricksShadowmason
@BillHendricksShadowmason 3 жыл бұрын
@@anotherworldhopper5344 by who. It is to a whole lot of us.
@clareification
@clareification 3 жыл бұрын
I believe it all depends on the context
@clareification
@clareification 3 жыл бұрын
to bring a negative connotation to “queer” is more harmful in my opinion. it is as much as an umbrella term as homosexual is. but I see where you’re coming from
@BillHendricksShadowmason
@BillHendricksShadowmason 2 жыл бұрын
@@clareification I hear you but to pronounce everyone queer because they perhaps identify with one of the 5+ letters (lgtbq+)is not right. Many of the us don’t want to labeled queer. Everyone should have the respect paid to them to be able to choose as how they wish to be referred. Just as people get to choose their gender identifier.
@jennyj4111
@jennyj4111 4 жыл бұрын
Lesbian, not queer. Lesbian isn’t a dirty word. Gluck was a lesbian.
@TheCanvasArtHistory
@TheCanvasArtHistory 4 жыл бұрын
Hello friend! The video is not out yet, but, as I will explain in the video, I'm using the term queer just because Gluck refused to be labelled a woman. I felt bad calling someone who refused to be called a woman (and rejected their female name) a lesbian. Just for the sake of simplicity, I use queer as an umbrella term for nonheterosexual.
@BillHendricksShadowmason
@BillHendricksShadowmason 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. He doesn’t recognize that individuals should give their permission before labeling anyone as queer. It is not an excepted term.
@1258-Eckhart
@1258-Eckhart Жыл бұрын
@@TheCanvasArtHistory Queer is a male sexuality, which has been purloined by radical feminists (Butler et al.). That changes nothing, queerness is a male problem and as shown by the lesbianism dabates in the UK parliament in the 1920's, not a female one. FYI: Transindentity has nothing to do with sexuality. Do not mix the two (as here). But otherwise well researched.
@GuilhermePereira-vi6vc
@GuilhermePereira-vi6vc Жыл бұрын
And of course... It had to be a j** 👃
@planbtube
@planbtube Жыл бұрын
stop erasing lesbians
@planbtube
@planbtube Жыл бұрын
Gluck would have never used the term queer. Stop using terms that were not used in a positive way the time those people were alive. Gluck was an adrogyneous butch lesbian like many others during that time (Radclyffe Hall, Romaine Brooks, Gertrude Stein, Natalie Barney...). Gluck and her lover Nesta Oberma referred both to each other also as “wives” not only "husband and wife". Using a gender-neutral name as a woman had more to to with the fact that woman at that time had no chance to be successful. ---- Plus: Emma Goldman was taking about homosexuals and not about non-binarys. The term gender she used was similar to sex.
@jops1513
@jops1513 Жыл бұрын
imagine living your life only to be known as gluck when you die
@gilly_axolotl
@gilly_axolotl 11 ай бұрын
That's what they called themselves???
@bilis2866
@bilis2866 Жыл бұрын
interesting how queer ppl still perform the Man/Woman dynamic
@petelarose998
@petelarose998 3 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to say whether you are straight or gay or lesbian either way Jesus loves you and watch to be your savior. Peter
@bebekelly4407
@bebekelly4407 11 ай бұрын
So long as don’t practise sexual acts. You forgot that.
@petelarose998
@petelarose998 3 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to say that the Lord Jesus Christ love you very much and died on the cross at Calvary for you.
@bebekelly4407
@bebekelly4407 11 ай бұрын
Stop being ridiculous .. they cannot practise sexual acts . It seems tome this is what it represents.
@mindfulmaximalism
@mindfulmaximalism Жыл бұрын
This was fine except for your ridiculous use of plural pronouns for a singular person. Nonsense. Shame on you for your participation on dumbing down language.
@MoeruAcckkountu
@MoeruAcckkountu 6 ай бұрын
We have always been plural pronouns to people of heat achievements. You dumb call a lung by his name but His Majesty's, suns or whatever the culture deems good
@SethProton
@SethProton Жыл бұрын
This video demonstrates the idiocy of referring to a person as a "their" sounding like the speaker is ignorant of the English language. I am a gay male and i find this so affected and phony.
@vince9981
@vince9981 Жыл бұрын
search up ' singular they ' if it's so hard to understand. you sound ignorant.
@FlaviodeSouzaEscritor
@FlaviodeSouzaEscritor Жыл бұрын
Valeu!
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