Gluing laminations on a former - How to make a Longbow

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6 жыл бұрын

Part of our bow making series of videos, we take a quick look at the basic process of Laminating a Longbow and using a former to give the stave some `set back`, hopefully you will find this video useful.
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@marcoengelbracht4141 Жыл бұрын

Many thanks for sharing, did not see the process that detailed before.

@longbows Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@jamescraig5421 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful work Richard.keep up the great 👍 work Bro.👏🏻👌👌

@longbows Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot! We try.

@bienyamientoefy1923 Жыл бұрын

greeting sir and everyone.smart idea on a long bow build.i am taking notes with drawings for my long bow builds.thank you sir

@longbows Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome

@isidroserranogranados6529 3 жыл бұрын

God blessyou Bro thankyou for shering your esperince dont to stop to videos your aré the Best making

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

So nice of you, thanks, if we can afford to keep going we will.

@Heisenbrick 3 жыл бұрын

I really like how you joined the Purple Heart to make 1 long piece, I also thought it was a neat idea to use bamboo! Tips I will add to my repertoire...

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help, maybe my bow making website will help you, www.howtomakealongbow.co.uk

@johnlamb9451 6 жыл бұрын

Great video as always.😊

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@johnlamb9451 6 жыл бұрын

Richard Head Longbows you're welcome.

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

Check out my new bow making website www.howtomakealongbow.co.uk

@f1pitpass 5 ай бұрын

v interesting, cheers!

@longbows 5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@jonoedwards4195 6 жыл бұрын

Crafty! Yew Beauty RHL, great Show.

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@0321netcom 6 жыл бұрын

Hello Nice work. I wonder what is the dimensional thickness of the center core laminations. in the handle and at the end of the nocks. to a 50 pound bow. Regards from Norge

@daveedwards6567 10 ай бұрын

Could you be so kind to show a drawing of the former for triple lamination Bo's plus measurements big thankyou ps great and informative video 👍 thanks

@isidroserranogranados6529 3 жыл бұрын

I got it thanks Bro

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

Great, have you seen my website www.howtomakealongbow.co.uk

@mymychannel324 6 жыл бұрын

I was actually thinking I'd like to see more videos on laminate bows earlier today, and hey presto you read my mind! Would love to see the rest of the process for this, particularly curious as to how the bow actually ends up being bent the correct way, is this just part of the tillering process or more? Videos are great btw!

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words, if you have seen my videos on Tillering then you will see the process and what happens to the `set back`

@Spirit_Pixxelmaster 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that Video. I am very impressed how easy you build a Laminated Longbow. This Bow was without backing right? I saw a lot of videos in the past ,they all back it after glue Process. Is backing much better or only a shorter drying Process? Greetings from Germany

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks. English Longbows do not have a `backing`, the back of the bow is bamboo, we do not use things like fibreglass, is that what you meant?

@briananuvattanachai6646 5 жыл бұрын

I'm planning on to build a laminate English longbow. I'm going to back it bamboo 1/8" thick. Does this mean I would have to make the bow 1/8" thinner then it's original dimensions to accommodate for this?

@longbows 5 жыл бұрын

Thr bamboo is part of the bow, it must be part of the dimensions you are using, not excluded from.

@blakegundry 6 жыл бұрын

Great video; do you have any advice on where best to get wood for laminates?

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yes, USA

@mikesmith2102 6 жыл бұрын

Can you go more into grain selection for a longbow? How to get a good laminate piece from a piece of lumber.

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

Yes, we have a materials selection video in mind, thanks.

@SeadartVSG 6 жыл бұрын

I like using the form for some reflex. On a laminated bow with thin bamboo layer when you put horn knocks on and round down the tips to ~ 10 to 13 mm, does the bamboo layer disappear right where the taper for the knock begins? This is the way I have done it, but I'm wondering if this makes a weak point? On tri-laminates are both the core and belly laminates preserved into the taper for the tip knock?

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

The following video will answer your question...kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m9yBl6uIu7G0XWQ.html

@SeadartVSG 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, that was just what I was looking for.

@timothym9398 6 жыл бұрын

Hello. I've been trying to make a few laminated bows, but the local lumber yards/hardware stores, where I live have limited availability on lumber types (raw bamboo being nonexistent here outside of internet mailing purchases) . Not sure if this would fall under your interests, but I would love to have a video on alternative bow woods one can use outside of the more specialty woods.

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

OK, thanks for the video idea.

@Dream_Weapon 4 жыл бұрын

This is what I wanna do. Just wish I had somewhere to do it.

@ReasonAboveEverything 4 жыл бұрын

I made a laminated bow on my bedroom floor. It just takes some time to get everything right but it can be done.

@riddlebarger3621 6 жыл бұрын

I’ve been making self bows for a while and wanted to give laminate bows a shot. but the woods selection in the US or at least in my area that I found online is quite a bit different. any suggestions I was thinking of bamboo backing then Purple Heart with a Osage belly or maybe even Hickory. I would love your opinion.

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

Osage can be used as a belly wood, you could just back it with Bamboo, try that before going for a triple.

@riddlebarger3621 6 жыл бұрын

Ok thanks

@arquitandre 5 жыл бұрын

Hello there, thanks for the videos. What measures have you used to gain this bend? Will there be any problem for you to provide this information? Thanks once more.

@longbows 5 жыл бұрын

Hi, glad you like the videos, maybe you will like our bow making website, www.howtomakealongbow.co.uk We can't give away all our secrets, sorry!

@arquitandre 5 жыл бұрын

@@longbows, no problem, thanks for your attention. Your videos are very intuitive, I will try and come to my own conclusions, thanks one more.

@briananuvattanachai6646 5 жыл бұрын

Did you score the laminations to get a better surface area for gluing or did you just leave them smooth?

@longbows 5 жыл бұрын

We leave them smooth, some people score.

@briananuvattanachai6646 5 жыл бұрын

I am going to cut all the tapers on the laminations with a jig saw should this done before or after gluing?

@longbows 5 жыл бұрын

Hi, we only cut the wood to a basic shape before gluing, we cut all the exact tapers are its glued.

@deadchannel5940 4 жыл бұрын

Hey do you guys taper your core lam or is it the same thickness the whole length?

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

yes, we taper the core

@BlueBirdBaby 4 жыл бұрын

My bow, I just have been handed down, is made of fiberglass and I have no idea how to refurbish it. It's rough and dirty looking. Any tips, please?

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, we dont make that sort of bow so cant really offer advice, perhaps contact your local Archery dealer?

@scoutingfreegermany 6 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Did I get that right, the stave is bending now the opposite way it will bend when the string is on, to get more power out of the bow? Or did I just missunderstood this? I love your vids, since I made my first longbow in a seminar I'm addicted, lol. Cheers from Germany, Marc

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

Yes, you got it right.

@scoutingfreegermany 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

@darnutzer Жыл бұрын

Hello, its Tite Bond 2 (PU) really a good choice to glue bamboo??

@longbows Жыл бұрын

Its what we use and have done for many years.

@tonyhigham3718 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, what radius do you use for your former and does putting the bend in the bow create any possible issues when roughing out and tillering?

@longbows 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, cant give dimensions, sorry, yes, they are much harder to tiller.

@tonyhigham3718 2 жыл бұрын

@@longbows can you give any more details into the witchcraft of the former and challenges and benefits it gives over not using one

@longbows 2 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed, watch any of my videos where I tiller a triple laminated bow, they will have been on the former.

@longbowandwarbowcraftingbo2859 4 жыл бұрын

hello again im Mikey, I'm currently making a laminated longbow from an iroko back and a white oak belly. I've used cascamite to glue it and I'm leaving it week to cure as suggested by other sites. you suggested using pva which ive already used for a flat bow to which have already had to repair. what type of pva do you use and also when it comes to tillering do you normally bend the bow around 30 times per every inch until the desired weight is achieved? and also is the D shaped profile ok for all other hard woods lest i keep getting chrysells?

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, we have used several wood glu PVA types over the years without problems, the problems occur when you don't prepare the surfaces properly. WE DO NOT MAKE FLATBOWS. When I was apprentice to my father I drew the bow on the tiller 100 times per inch...I have a cruel father.

@longbowandwarbowcraftingbo2859 4 жыл бұрын

@@longbows ahhh thankyou very much for the informative reply, may i ask do you know what maximum draw weight is achievable using a laminated bow?

@longbowandwarbowcraftingbo2859 4 жыл бұрын

@@longbows oh and also excellent videos. i have made several self bows now and had four either explode or get Chrysles on the belly. i think I'm tillering too quickly maybe?

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

We make English Longbows, for the sport of Archery, we generally only go up to 55-60lbs, I couldn't say what the maximum is, we have made bows up to 80lbs in the distant past.

@rusty728 3 жыл бұрын

What are the dimensions to your shims and how did you perform that taper ?

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

I don't give dimensions, taper is made by cutting and planing

@rusty728 3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t think titebond would work, how well does it hold up against EA40 ?

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

People never do, I have no idea.

@HistoricalWeapons 3 жыл бұрын

Do we have any historical evidence of them using laminated longbows in medieval Europe

@HistoricalWeapons 3 жыл бұрын

They did in Japan and parts or Asia, unsure about Europe

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

The bows we make are Victorian, not Medieval

@AusyG Жыл бұрын

@@HistoricalWeapons yes going back very well into ancient times. Sinew backed bows existed in ancient Europe as well

@rodolfoperez4654 4 жыл бұрын

After you take it off the former, how much further forwards are the tips of the bow compared to the center?

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

Around 2 inches, but, this can depend how well the set back takes.

@rodolfoperez4654 4 жыл бұрын

@@longbows thanks😊

@flightsoficarus 19 күн бұрын

Hi, enjoying your videos. Is there anyway I can the dimensions to make a former like the one used in the video? Is there an ideal amount of curve to put on stave? Presumably too much you increase the chances of breaking the bow and too little won't have the right effect. Thanks

@longbows 18 күн бұрын

hi, I will make a video about it

@flightsoficarus 18 күн бұрын

@@longbows amazing thanks

@peterburgess4637 12 күн бұрын

Just been wondering myself,

@tomcaywood3968 4 жыл бұрын

show how to flaten bamboo and z splice in handle and mill a rough log into lumber for the former

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

There are some things we keep secret.

@tednugent8501 4 жыл бұрын

Im making one out of 30 yr old cyoress boards right now and was just wondering what to use for glue. Wasnt sure if regular, quality wood glue would work but it looks like thats what u used.

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

We use wood glue, but I have never used the wood you are using!

@tednugent8501 4 жыл бұрын

@@longbows I've ripped it down to about 3/32" by 2" by 6'.. The grain is long, wide and as straight as an arrow all the way down the boards with no knots or burrells. I decided this afternoon to rip some 100+ yr old oak (dont know what kind of oak) to about 1/8". I'm gonna do 2 layers of that in the middle so that the very pretty cypress is on the outside where it can be seen. Im a painter with 35yrs of experience so im goin to put a tung oil concoction of my own making on it and buff it to a high shine.

@tednugent8501 4 жыл бұрын

@@longbows Cypress are the trees that grow in the swamps and in any water really in the southern states in America. The grain in the pieces that im glueing right now are just beautiful man, long and straight with no knots at all. Im laminating 2 layers of 100+ yr old oak (not sure what kind, probably red oak) in with the cypress to give it more strength. Im looking for about 60 pounds at 27 inches.

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

Those woods aren't used in English Longbows by us, so I have no idea if they will work, sorry.

@tednugent8501 4 жыл бұрын

@@longbows Well, I've got 2 strips of oak laminated between 3 layers of cypress glued and clamped out in my shop right now so I hope it works. I think the oak will give it enough strength to work and as far as I know cypress is a very flexible wood that is resistant to rot and water damage. They used it alot for siding on barns, just not good for structural/load bearing lumber but the straight grain was just begging to be made into a bow. P.S. I dont have a working planer right now so I've ripped all theae strips on an old craftsman table saw and sanded them smooth with a black and decker palm sander, so it's been quite labor intensive to say the least. Lol.

@NeffTattoo 2 жыл бұрын

I always thought you needed to use smooth-on epoxy for laminated bows. I didn't know that you could use titebond

@longbows 2 жыл бұрын

You learn something new everyday.

@danryan2348 5 жыл бұрын

What kind of glue are you using?

@longbows 5 жыл бұрын

PVA woodglue. www.howtomakealongbow.co.uk

@niovillawalls Жыл бұрын

Alguien me puede decir cuáles son las maderas que utilizan en la laminación? Solo entendí bambú

@longbows Жыл бұрын

Lenonwood belly, somtimes know as box or degame, with Purpleheart core.

@mervynpatterson7164 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Richard& Philip, what is the rule for the bamboo nodes on the back of the bow? Is there one,does it matter?

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

Hiya, yes, leave them as is.

@mervynpatterson7164 3 жыл бұрын

@@longbows ok,do you have to balance the node positions along the back of the bow so they match on top&bottom limb?

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

That's up to you, but the art of tillering would mean that isn't necessary.

@will2Collett 6 жыл бұрын

doesn't laminating make the bow weaker??? I like seeing the heartwood being used. Very nice. Thanks.

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

Weaker in what way??

@will2Collett 6 жыл бұрын

easier to break, or even crack. I like it and haven't used one, but I thought laminating weakens the wood???

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

I see, well, individually the woods we have used would probably break if made into the type of bow design used in the video, the reason for laminating is to choose woods that perform well in their chosen position, for example the bamboo is excellent at resisting tension on the back curve of the bow, and the Dagame, on the inside of the bow, is good at resisting compression. And what with modern glues nowadays, laminated bows and probably more likely to survive than self bows, just look at the laminated bows from the 60`s and 70`s onwards, most recurve bows and still going strong. It really comes down to selecting good materials and knowing how to deal with them, same as any woodworking skill.

@will2Collett 6 жыл бұрын

I've been following you guys on KZfaq for a long time = at least a year and maybe longer and i greatly enjoy seeing how you guys put them together. I would love to order a long bow, but the shipping alone would be staggering, ha ha ha. Excellent quality ALL AROUND.

@briananuvattanachai6646 5 жыл бұрын

How wide were the rubber strips that you used?

@longbows 5 жыл бұрын

They range in width, around an inch mostly.

@Chris-ip3gp 4 жыл бұрын

Get old bicycle inner tubes from a bike shop (free?) and cut about 3/4 inch widework a treat

@suetilien7293 3 жыл бұрын

Wht glue did you use sir?

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

I use wood glue.

@Jimmie567 5 ай бұрын

I saw glueing three lengths of wood , but where did the lamination come into it,,,isn,t lamination a seal of varnish over the bows surface, confused,,

@longbows 5 ай бұрын

glueing the wood together is called laminating, the peices of wood are called laminates.

@aliendoggy1 3 жыл бұрын

what kind of glue do you use?

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

Lots, this one was Wood glue PVA

@aliendoggy1 3 жыл бұрын

@@longbows And that's strong enough?

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

I hope so

@briananuvattanachai6646 5 жыл бұрын

What kind of wood glue are you using?

@longbows 5 жыл бұрын

PVA

@briananuvattanachai6646 5 жыл бұрын

@@longbows could you please be more specific?

@longbows 5 жыл бұрын

No, sorry, there are some things that are private.

@briananuvattanachai6646 5 жыл бұрын

@@longbows it's fine I understand.

@longbowandwarbowcraftingbo2859 4 жыл бұрын

what glue are you using?

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

Wood glue.

@longbowandwarbowcraftingbo2859 4 жыл бұрын

@@longbows i have read from several sources that pva is a bad choice? what exactly do you use?

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

We use PVA, have done for over 30 years.

@Starlingchaser 5 жыл бұрын

Where can I get these wood strips to laminate? I've been searching for planks or boards of hickory, purpleheart, ipe, osage, etc, but can I find them? Nope... I can find dragons and mermaids, nut not these...

@Chris-ip3gp 4 жыл бұрын

Try laminating vernier. I used 0.6mm hickory in multiple layers with urea formaldehyde powder glue, worked aa treat on a hybrod reflex deflex longbow

@jacobwhite8204 3 жыл бұрын

What woods is it made from

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

The bow or the former?

@jacobwhite8204 3 жыл бұрын

The bow

@longbows 3 жыл бұрын

Lemonwood, Purple heart, Bamboo

@jacobwhite8204 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply your channel is great

@jacobwhite8204 3 жыл бұрын

Also could the lemonwood be substituted for ipe?

@racconworkshop5110 4 жыл бұрын

I just clicked on the video because I'm having a hard time removing the wood to get a perfect grade side to glue on. Unfortunately, the theme was worth only 5 seconds and an electro planing. Are u able to do it without and maybe have a tip for me?

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I don't understand your question.

@racconworkshop5110 4 жыл бұрын

@@longbows I only work with hand tools and find it really hard to get a straight flat surface for glueing. There were always some gabs at the sides and i dont know how to get rid of them. I guess its much easier if you use a jointer with a long fence for straight ones or a 90° wheel grinder for lumpy bumpy woods. I saw a wavey piece of yew heartwood backed with Hickory on your channel. It is absolutly well made and i have no clue how to o that without power tools. I appreciate that you take your time. Your yew bows are absolutely impressive.

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

What wood are you using?

@racconworkshop5110 4 жыл бұрын

@@longbows Hazel, Ash and various fruitwoods like cherry and pear. At the moment i struggle with that cherry for bellyside.

@longbows 4 жыл бұрын

OK, Hazel we don't use for bows, nor cherry nor Pear! Ash we generally use as a 'self' bow, like the yew. For the belly we tend to use Lemonwood, it works very easily. You can achieve a good finish for glue bonding with hand tools, people think they need a silky smooth side to glue on, don't forget the more imperfections you remove the less area for the glue to bond, if you have perfect planed areas all the glue can squeeze out when you put pressure on! Once you have planed a side you can use a cabinet scraper to achieve a better feel. You don't need a planer, we use use one to speed up the process.

@RAkers-tu1ey 6 жыл бұрын

... Whaaaat? Titebond? I was expecting Hide glue, made from unicorns, boiled in a oak fire in a Druid's glen, and applied under a full moon... Ah well, technology marches on. R.

@longbows 6 жыл бұрын

It's wood glue, used for wood, never understand why people are shocked by that, lol

@ratsface2814 5 жыл бұрын

Value the technology we have, it's amazing as it is!