Old Vs New - How Have Mountain Bikes Changed?

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Today's enduro mountain bikes are getting closer to downhill bikes, with geometry getting progressively slacker and suspension travel getting longer as each year goes by. But just how much have these bikes changed over the years? Rich Payne checks out one of the first 'Enduro specific' bikes to see what the differences are between old vs new.
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@MrGourd 11 ай бұрын

One thing I like about new bikes is how quiet they are on the trails. My old 2010 Trek with clutchless derailleur sounds like a shopping cart going down the hills 😅

@paologuerriero9974 11 ай бұрын

I have a 2013 mega, but I've upgraded it with a shimano deore xt 1x11, fox 36 float factory grip 2 170mm and a rockshox monarch rt3, rides like a dream and doesn't feel dated, id say if you can't afford the new stuff the old stuff isn't bad at all.

@joe24723 11 ай бұрын

I'm riding a Diamondback XR1 (around 2000) and it's safe to say that it feels a lot different to modern bikes. I went from a budget hardtail (that I'd upgraded heavily) with modern geometry to an older full suspension with outdated geometry. No matter how far back I reach, I still feel over the bars, so descending can be dangerous sometimes. I still love it and I'm going out on a ride today!

@erikd6124 11 ай бұрын

I went from old full sus 2005 giant bra to modern HT Orbea laufey. You hade to weigh the front when going slow on the flat. But you can take turns mutch faster and harder if you push the newe bike.

@LaurentiusTriarius 11 ай бұрын

I still have most of my old high end bikes, mostly for nostalgia, I'd take my wife modern 1k trek hardtail over any of them for any ride over 10 min...

@guitarlessonsnow3431 11 ай бұрын

Was the “aloominum” for your US viewers?

@ripapa6355 11 ай бұрын

@erikd6124 I ride a Laufey too. Love it. Mostly downhill or aggressive xc. It's a beast.

@WhangaFish 11 ай бұрын

The camera work at the start of those laps 👌

@klashagg467 11 ай бұрын

I did a similar comparison on DH bikes this year. I got a an old downhill bike back that I used to own in 2009 for free and restored it and then compared it to my current Scott Gambler 2021, the old one was a Dabomb Dirt Bomb. The old one was so scary to ride that I almost just left it in the car park, short, steep, horrible handling but I had lots of fun on it back in the days. The suspension was not that bad with Fox 40 and Fox DHX 5.0, brakes was good with Formula the one Gen.1 but in the end the only thing I liked with it was that it fitted in my van, the Gambler is just too long :)

@tayloru8282 11 ай бұрын

Your videography team is out of the world. Great job as always. Would love to see the BTS of how you guys get some of these beautiful shots!

@guyd4067 11 ай бұрын

By being part of the Disney Empire.

@lemonadejars 11 ай бұрын

Maybe one day they’ll produce 4K content instead of 1080p?

@ArdGeal 11 ай бұрын

4:15 look at the tyres, perished AF !!! No wonder you bottled the jump at the end lol

@markyboyclark 11 ай бұрын

I have a modern short travel 29er and it feels like a downhill bike to me, but goes uphill like a rocket ship. Love it.

@YoGabba-bv8eh 11 ай бұрын

Man this is an actually really interesting video idea! Downhill next pls! Quick edit - It would be insane if gmbn tech could carry this through and talk about geo changes or breakthrough componentry and whatnot

@thesithturkey 11 ай бұрын

I’m riding a 1992 Grove handcrafted Xinnovations, this video was super helpful to figure out the differences between my bike and modern day ones!

@brianrainey2739 11 ай бұрын

I will buy the “old” 2013 used for $2000 then buy four more $2000 used bikes with the money saved from not buying the 2023! 😂 Bikes are not cell phones, they aren’t junk after 5 years….

@deadflight84 11 ай бұрын

Just got my daughter a 2010 jamis Dakar for 200 bucks. Can't get a better bang for your buck. The shock and fork both still work good

@aaronmcdermitt9179 10 ай бұрын

So true. Just bought my first bike. Got a '13 santa cruz. Carbon everything, full sus, Internal routing, dropper post, fox 36, sram xd1. All for $2k couldn't find something even half as well specd for close to that money.

@kamilcuniak8412 10 ай бұрын

E-bikes are ; )

@nootnoot1463 9 ай бұрын

You would be better of with a $2000 modern bike. 2020 or newer. Especially now there are loads of good deals around

@joewickie2376 4 ай бұрын

Still riding my 1987 Mantis.

@bansftp1090 11 ай бұрын

Aluminum is not outdated I think aluminum is the best thing to build bikes out of it's reliable and it does not break who else agrees with what I'm saying ❤❤❤

@westheweasel 11 ай бұрын

I know people who had new carbon bikes that got cracks or snapped in half so now I only ride aluminum cause I don’t trust carbon 😂

@joshuaallswang8016 11 ай бұрын

I don’t trust plastic bikes💯 aluminum all day!

@phoenixx_slayzz2022 Ай бұрын

Titanium in my opinion but price wise aluminium is awesome

@rizkysiregar369 11 ай бұрын

loving that tracking headshot before the first test ride 😍

@KevinT3141 11 ай бұрын

Brilliant editing and camerawork (as always)!

@cosmicbackwoods 11 ай бұрын

i have a 20 year old trek 820 and it will be a while before i get a new bike. it feels like riding a dinosaur across the desert but its still fun

@bikesandbeans 11 ай бұрын

That was my first "good bike" back in 1995! Until it was stolen... :(

@ChinggyO 11 ай бұрын

should have given the old bike some new rubber... the ones on are the same age as the bike. -.-

@KarstRats 10 ай бұрын

Go to a bike park. That tends to be the case 9/10 times lol. Its alright most of us ride half assed tires anyways.

@usernamefromhell 11 ай бұрын

The old one's tires are shot, put some new tires on it, and make the front a 27.5 for a "mini-mullet", and that thing is still very much relevant. And I actually prefer all the aluminum.

@juicedracer777 6 ай бұрын

Yeah me too, the carbon fiber seems too unpredictable for me in terms of durability.

@n34r02 Ай бұрын

been there, done that, can't recommand. Either you sacrifice lots of travel or the longer fork/higher wheels puts the rider too far back. I had lots of front wheel washouts with 650b/160mm. It could have been compensated with a far longer stem (70-80mm) but i prefer riding at 160mm, 26" and a 35mm stem by far.

@KenanTurkiye 11 ай бұрын

0:00 omg that is beautifull, forget biking one just wants to hug that ground and the trees! 🤍

@KenanTurkiye 11 ай бұрын

PS: ''forget biking'' is just a figure of speech, pedal on!!! : )

@ivostarmans1199 11 ай бұрын

What about old Mega vs modern Scout. Old full sus vs modern hardtail. What would be better and around this kind of tracks-trails.

@briw4647 11 ай бұрын

Bikes have changed so much since my 1997/2000 downhill years. I'm especially excited about ebikes and their future, especially now I'm older, more unfit and have injuries that still affect me. I look forward to the future for sure

@thesmf1210 11 ай бұрын

might wana go sort out your EMBN subscription then

@briw4647 11 ай бұрын

@thesmf1210 I already did that long time ago. But I still like my normal mtb. Why, can't I?

@ArdGeal 11 ай бұрын

@@briw4647 Ignore the ego maniac.... E-MTB is where it's at, these dinosaurs that like taking their bikes for a walk will get there eventually, if they can afford one that is....

@MarioGoatse 11 ай бұрын

@@briw4647EMTB is the future. Especially the SL models with the smaller motors and lighter batteries. There’s nothing like zooming down a mountain, and then pedaling back up like you’re a cyborg with powered legs.

@briw4647 11 ай бұрын

@@MarioGoatse o totally agree. add a battery extender pack and you could easily cycle 60 miles of hills and dips comfortably. e bikes will , with the increase of technology and batteries just get better and better

@alexh.4068 11 ай бұрын

Also, we all know that full suspension 29ers were available in 2012

@DuffersMcDuff 11 ай бұрын

Great Video as always Rich, but the price has gone from £2K to £6.5K and you would have specced the old bike with a bigger fork.and ridden a XL..So not comparing like for like there..really. My Motorbike has more tech and costs less than a push bike now.. Something fells wrong about that. Interestingly I have a 2018 Stumpjumper Evo and a 2018 Suzuki V-Strom and they both cost around the same new. ?? Is it profiteering or a much smaller market that drives the prices?? Food for thought.

@dave_clarke 11 ай бұрын

I think the latter. I would guess the market for high end MTB is tiny compared to general motorbike sales. Plus, you are comparing a MTB in race spec with a motorcycle in standard spec. A race superbike is many times more expensive than an off-the-shelf model. All the race team R&D, event and sponsorship dollars have to be recouped through high ticket prices on the top models.

@nicksr.658 11 ай бұрын

Nice opening shot in the forest, killed it!

@timsnewromann 11 ай бұрын

I met a dude out on the trails.. he had fitted a new fork on the older nukeproof, and went full 27,5”! Fitted with 2,4” tires he said dry/damp works completly without rubbing, but actual wet weather gets very messy.. Got me thinking what would happen if he tried to 29”/27,5” mullet it.. -are there any forks that would work in that equation these days tho? Guess you would go triple crown..?

@raziel8321 11 ай бұрын

There's a shocking 5mm difference... that's like comparing the sandala to the rocket. With one you'll be on the moon in 5 seconds, with the other it'll take you 1000 years... Seriously, am I the only one who thinks that differences in geometry are massively exaggerated these days? What about the driver? the brakes? The tire, etc...

@tomatostakefabrik9429 6 ай бұрын

I am sure that 2023 handles like a dream, i haven't priced it out yet but i bet its not cheap. If i were racing, even at a novice level maybe. However, i am a 53 year old dude in the States, with a mortgage and kids in college. So my 2013 MTB get me down the hill . I am willing to product test anything at anytime lol!

@petedog9581 8 ай бұрын

29" vs 26" is silly. My 2013 Stumpjumper 29er has a 67 degree HT and 74.5 degree ST (72 degree actual). The reach is the only noticeable differences from newer geos.

@deedontworry 11 ай бұрын

Mountain bikes have come a long away! They're so different to the old ones. They've changed for the better! 🤘

@joewickie2376 4 ай бұрын

A classic bike is more than a bundle of technology welded together by machines. My 1987 Mantis is a work of art.

@CLEARRTC 2 ай бұрын

I have some questions, was the old bike recently serviced, especially the suspension? Also the tires, no one is riding 12 year old tires so did you have an appropriate new set of tires on the old bike? Just another comment, I remember my friends all talking about ordering XL Enduro bikes back then when they would normally fit a large (which I believe was common and the industry took note) How does a 2012 XL with modern tires and fresh suspension service compare? Great video

@kukuhwanengkirtyo861 11 ай бұрын

With old bike it seems weird if you apply new school riding style… switching my new age fulsus bike to my old one, I need to adjust my riding style as well. However, the new bike feels more composed and fun….😊

@mikeburgh3956 Ай бұрын

I love my V3 Scout 275. It's just sad NP is gone! But suppose to be a "new NP" coming from Mike Ashley aka Evans Cycles/Chain reaction. So I guess we'll see what the "new nukeproof" is about.

@argenisperez7810 11 ай бұрын

I still remember a coworker arguing with me that mountain bikes from the 80s were just as good or better than bikes today 😂

@TheJohnaddison10 11 ай бұрын

I'm riding a 2009 iron horse mkiii elite. I've upgraded suspension, group set, brakes, wheel width and hubs. Still works like a dream. I've never riden modern geometry though so I am blissfully ignorant. Until I can afford one. 😁

@RoachDogggJR 11 ай бұрын

Got an 09 intense 6.6 slopestyle. All the og fun

@Ennylaid 2 ай бұрын

It amazing me to hear just how bad the older model was against the original review of that bike. Pretty sure Rich is simply trying to push newer models-

@GodWeAreLegend 11 ай бұрын

Great VIdeo, fun to watch!

@PaulFlude 11 ай бұрын

I am still riding my 2003 hard tail and I am a tall guy. While I think I would have an easier time on modern geometry I wouldn't call the shorter geometry "sketchy." We all rode it just fine.

@musiqueetmontagne 11 ай бұрын

I'm sorry, I know that Nukeproof are sponsors, fine, but the title suggests a thorough analysis of old V new not an advert about how much the sponsors current model has come on .....

@estebandelasmontanas4879 11 ай бұрын

Still use my 1993 Scott Pan American. I only miss the power in my feet😅

@JFL7796 10 ай бұрын

My 2015 XXL Merida 99 has basically the same reach as a 2017/18 L Scott Spark. Makes me wonder what size I’d need to get if buying new today given how reach has grown. That said, stems have shortened and seat tubes steepened so that would perhaps offset some of the reach growth.

@janataman9196 Ай бұрын

This wasn´t a real fair comparison, Rich.. ^^ The tyres from the old Mega were visibly old and really parished, so the grip was reduced. @gmbn you can do better!

@martinhagen2913 11 ай бұрын

Which stem are you running on the newer iteration there payner? *The oilslick one...

@yungQi 11 ай бұрын

26” is the most fun

@chrisc7764 11 ай бұрын

I'm guessing 0mm offset stems (similar to the raised reverse stem) and gearboxes are going to be commonplace in the next 10 years

@greengonzonz 11 ай бұрын

I'm looking forward to gearbox bikes becoming more mainstream. Maybe when we can ditch the gripshift? 😊

@VicenteOcanaplus 11 ай бұрын

I see huge evolutions in suspensions. The apparition of electronic suspensions and sensors, along with geolocalisation capabilities, will probably mean more adaptable and performing rides.

@benjy288 11 ай бұрын

In general they've gotten longer, lower, slacker, with more travel, and more weight too.

@cgeorgescu72 11 ай бұрын

And way less reliable, with components that wear out the same year

@benjy288 11 ай бұрын

@@cgeorgescu72 And way more expensive

@ldtriplesix 11 ай бұрын

Definitely weigh more now and much less reliable.

@benjy288 11 ай бұрын

@@ldtriplesix I used to have a full carbon 2017 trek slash 9.8 and it weighed bang on 14kg with pedals, that's a massive 1.5kg lighter than their lightest gen 6 model, the 9.9 xtr build, which also costs more than a brand new suzuki rmz 450 motocross bike, what's going on with mountain bikes these days?

@MarioGoatse 11 ай бұрын

Brits: “Two Fousand And Free”. No wonder us Aussies have such terrible accents lol

@cosmicheretic8129 2 ай бұрын

They can't even annunciate: 'Aluminium' lol.

@bkaza 11 ай бұрын

A mountain bike review channel shouldn't be sponsored by a mountain bike company 🙄

@roli9985 11 ай бұрын

0:37 these tyres are old

@SonjaTheDork 11 ай бұрын

Just putting it out there, this ain't that old lol. Bikes have changed in a huge way since 2013, yeah, but compared to my current rig ('94 Cannondale Killer V), its not that far off.

@mattfinnis 11 ай бұрын

Aluminum? Didn’t know this channel was so Americorn!

@joshuaallswang8016 11 ай бұрын

America runs the world🇺🇸 everybody else is just trying to catch up💨

@MrMuz99 11 ай бұрын

Aluminium over carbon for me, the bike is basically the same yet with much more expensive parts. Gimme the gen 1!

@benphillips1149 11 ай бұрын

If i had a choice w same parts carbon every time but bike brands love using carbon as an excuse for extra 3k on the price

@MrMuz99 11 ай бұрын

@benphillips1149 - The gains aren't that much, either. If you Want that sort of thing then go for it. Makes sense for people using them in races, etc, but for the average customer. It is complete overkill.

@joshuaallswang8016 11 ай бұрын

@@MrMuz99I agree the only time a Carbon bike is ok is in a race situation. Why!? Because if and when the bikes break they can just get a new one from there sponsor! For the every day rider a carbon bike is the biggest mistake possible!

@MrMuz99 11 ай бұрын

@joshuaallswang8016 - Some people will buy the best just to have the image, then 'normal' riders assume they have skill. I'd say even IF I had the money to afford a carbon race machine, I wouldn't go for it. Aluminium or Maybe Titanium.

@benphillips1149 11 ай бұрын

@@MrMuz99 they handle nice tho lmao

@alexh.4068 11 ай бұрын

After years of watching these old vs new videos I'm still wondering why you don't size up to a older XL to keep the reach similar.

@Hybrid600 11 ай бұрын

Exactly. I bet the outcome would be noticeably different and close the gap a bit more.

@bod3000 11 ай бұрын

#askgmbntech why do most modern bikes have kink in lower part of down tube? I still like straight down tubes. Thanks

@jodyreynolds81 11 ай бұрын

My issue is that companies want to get more people into mountain biking but let's be honest the pricing of new bike is just mental, I know you could go down the ebay route but sometimes it's nice to actually go into a shop and actually come out with the bike your looking for but for most it's just too far out of reach

@jamesgray143 11 ай бұрын

Totally understand

@juicedracer777 6 ай бұрын

So the difference is mainly in the performance as in race performance. For us normal mortals who just want to have a blast in the slopes, an older massively cheaper bike will fulfill all the needs 😃

@andyamos8594 11 ай бұрын

Interesting comparison although the disparity in price is equally shocking. My salary was frozen in 2008, and actually went down rather than up to this day, probably like many others, so the cost of living is making these high and mighty tech marvels sail off into fairy tale land. For the increasingly fewer who can actually afford them, enjoy!

@waltwhiteinyourmum 11 ай бұрын

“The super secret test track” explains exactly where it is

@ldtriplesix 11 ай бұрын

Specialized released their Enduro in 1999. Why did the sport take so long to catch up with the bike?

@bitumen83 11 ай бұрын

That HTA doesnt look like 65 degrees, more like 67. Check geo one more time.

@blackcat297b3 10 ай бұрын

Who else caught the top gear reference at 5:01?

@ltrtg13 11 ай бұрын

I'm wondering. With bike felt less alien to you, The old Mega or Anna's bike?

@griffincontracting 11 ай бұрын

I just can't pull away from DIY eDH bikes..... all that travel combined with the power of a CYC X1 Pro just makes me smirk when I see a little flimsy enduro.

@racingbeats1493 11 ай бұрын

A lot of what has happened is the industry has just found ways to milk people more effectively. The industry relies on marketing small changes as "gamechanging advancements" The most hilarious example of this is all these people with full stiff ass carbon setups that end up being uncomfortable and fragile for 3 times the price. The biggest advancements havent been weight, material, or technology, they've mostly just been frame geometry changes and tire size changes.

@DarkHawk666 11 ай бұрын

Is Doddy still at GMBN?

@joshuaallswang8016 11 ай бұрын

Dude NO he quit for another job offer they talked about it a couple weeks ago on like every video😂

@Aeysir 11 ай бұрын

Aloominum? Oi! Noooooo!

@bassplayer60659 11 ай бұрын

Cool video but that old mega was ahead of the game. I remember 68 degree head angle, 140mm travel, 80mm stems, 720mm bars were massive and maxxis ardents were all the rage in the early days of enduro😂😂😂. Enduro really change bikes for the better.

@janeblogs324 11 ай бұрын

Reach is what's changed , what's the difference between these 2?

@theVlKlNGR 11 ай бұрын

I think the bikes are currently at a performance peak and can hardly get much better. All that's coming now are electric toys that take the fun out of optimising your personal setup and thinking a bit about what you're actually doing. Yes, I'm looking at you "Flight control & co"! The geometries are absolutely top at the moment. Half a degree more or less can be achieved via flip chip. The only thing I see for the next 10 years is more lugged frames and more sophisticated materials. This is particularly desirable in the case of carbon and its enviromental footprint, as the production process produces enormous CO2 emissions. I would like to see more steel on the tracks! In addition, however, I would like to mention that I am not completely against electrical equipment! As far as electric shifting is concerned, I see that it will become much cheaper in the future and will also become more common in the mid-price segment, up to a certain level of standard equipment on bikes from around 3500 Euros upwards. However, I think electric suspensions are nonsense and unnecessary. Likewise a "stabilisation" of the steering (Canyon).

@DocHolliday3841 11 ай бұрын

I had no idea you were sponsored by any bike brand.

@joshuaallswang8016 11 ай бұрын

LoL wow😆

@ninjazzrhythm400 11 ай бұрын

One thing I hate about enduro racing is they dont time the uphill and only downhill. The whole rade should be timed all together imho.

@kleinkurti 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, lets do 50km@2500m timed. Fuck XC

@krASHExxx 11 ай бұрын

The eeveelution? Huh.. went from mtbs to pokemon

@KerryFairbanks 10 ай бұрын

I ride a 66.5 hta 29r over everything no problem. I climb a lot as well so I wouldn't want to be driving a canoe up the trail

@dumwee 11 ай бұрын

Would be interesting if old bike had some new modern suspensions

@vermillion.__-_. 11 ай бұрын

How is this an old bike? It’s probably cheaper and stronger than the new one. Internal routing is annoying.

@guyd4067 11 ай бұрын

Lemme guess: longer, lower, slacker, more travel.

@ffBkLee 10 ай бұрын

I bet if you did this video again in 2033, 2023 bike's carbon parts wouldn't be doing so well..

@minnesotasteve 11 ай бұрын

The real question is, in 10 years will that new plastic bike still be operating?

@andyman127 11 ай бұрын

wow, cannot remember seeing one of the guys skip a jump on a bike before

@KompletterGeist 6 ай бұрын

marketing trick to make you think its not possible so you buy the new bike ;)

@joshuaallswang8016 11 ай бұрын

All that carbon sounds sketchy to me! I don’t trust plastic bikes! Aluminum all day every day!!. “Carbon” is probably the biggest scam of the bike industry💯

@myrants5836 11 ай бұрын

Give me the metal one over that plastic monstrosity any day of the week!!

@robwales5987 11 ай бұрын

12 years and only 5% better?

@flatpedalswinmedals7274 11 ай бұрын

SSDD. 🙄

@hej2896 11 ай бұрын

There should NEVER be wireless brakes! If they run out of battery mid run you will probably crash.

@impaledface7694 11 ай бұрын

I love riding my gary fisher hoo koo e koo.

@MarioV73 Ай бұрын

"Modern Enduro Bike" = carbon, frame + carbon wheels + carbon bars??? Since when??? I think you meant to say Modern XC bike.

@jeremiahmcknight9495 11 ай бұрын

Mullet !!!!!

@vd89198 11 ай бұрын

Zero old mountain bikes in this video

@WorkLessRideMore 11 ай бұрын

2012 was over a decade ago. It's old geo and old suspension.

@mattsimkins1101 11 ай бұрын

Nukeproof on top

@TheButlerNZ 11 ай бұрын

I get more exited watching the videos.

@alexanderal7714 11 ай бұрын

Biased and unobjective review. The old bike Specs are not accurate and the overall condition of the old model is just trash(look at his tyres for reference), vs fresh all new bike. So i am sorry, but reviews like this one, just making me question about your credibility for the next one. Feeling not right at all 😢

@joeroche552 11 ай бұрын

Not the mention the natural variation because of the wheel size. At lease they could of put new rubber as you said.

@Return_oftheMac 11 ай бұрын

Unusually poor video quality.

@zon3ful 11 ай бұрын

20 years of development and mtbs in general look uglier and uglier. Why is that?

@procanvas 11 ай бұрын

Just a video promoting Nukeproof 😴

@vermillion.__-_. 11 ай бұрын

This guy can’t even say aluminium right 🤣

@aleksarajkovic3471 11 ай бұрын

You wanna tell me that bikes in 2012 didn't have piggy backs and 4 pot brakes??!?!?! Gmbn at its finest ones again with wrong info...

@mhopper 11 ай бұрын

aluMINIum!!!!

@Justkeepshredding 11 ай бұрын

Darn it! I wanted to be the first to comment 😡

@mjor6406 11 ай бұрын

You should apply for a home equity loan and buy the new nukeproof or any other new bike.

@barbedwirerat661 10 ай бұрын

Nice comparison of the same model 10 years apart. Year over year, the changes are small, but 10 years layer it is a totally different bike.

@floydblandston108 11 ай бұрын

Typical new bike salesman BS...🥱 Here's an idea; stop being 'sponsored' by Nukeproof. You can save the $$$ by firing Rich!

@kleinkurti 11 ай бұрын

Wtf is this hate? He talks facts and no bs. Stop crying, ride your old bike (which you obsvly have) and watch something else.

@floydblandston108 11 ай бұрын

@@kleinkurti - GMBN is a great resource. It sucks to see them slide down the hole of being just another shill site, and Rich seems to have been hired specific to task. Those aren't 'facts', they're well disguised salesman patter, laid out to part rubes like you from their $$$.