I do like that GW added a quick start detachment and scenario so that players can use a mixed force (under downloads from the community site). The scenario itself even has an optional rule to allow a Warhound to both sides, regardless of usual limits.

Good that there's not lots of custom rules per legion. If you zoom out and there's a Titan stomping around the differences are quite subtle.

Superb, so comprehensive and useful, thanks mate.

Wow! Cant wait to see how this is. I remember buying Space Marine epic boxset back in 1989! I was pretty young,saw all the models on the boxart on the back,thought they were full sized!😂..luckily the game was a lot of fun over the years!😅

I painted the SM contingent of the core box in seven days. My experiences while doing so: - The model parts fit nicely. - Even the the fiddly things like lascannons didn´t snap. Good material. - Don´t try to paint eye lenses. You will only hurt your eyes and the result will be bad despite using a magnifying lens. - If you have hands the size of shovels don´t bother with LI. You will simply fail to assemble the really fiddly stuff like glueing missile launchers to SM shoulders. Concerning the core rules: March Orders should triple the movement value of transport vehicles instead of infantry. Nowadays there is a trend which favours foot-slogging meaning not having transports is not much of a deal just like in 30K. Comparing that to Epic Space Marine 2nd is a big difference where Rhinos drove max. 50 cm/turn and infantry walked max. 20 cm/turn. If you want to have an edge with infantry in the movement department pick Raven Guard. Terminators only having CAF+4 instead of CAF+6 like in the past feels also not good. Apart from that the core rules are quite solid. Warhound weapon loadout: Signature weapons were the vulcan mega-bolter (stripping void shields) and the plasma blastgun (blowing up the enemy titan). Guess which weapon is included in the core box? Neither of them! You are apparently supposed to buy a titan weapon upgrade box in six months just like they did in Necromunda. Geez! Battle tanks locked in core box: I haven´t seen an upgrade box containing predators, sicarans, leman russes and malcadors so far. So this means the only way to get them is via multiple core boxes?! I am doing an Iron Hands Blitzkrieg tank army and filling the rest of my force with mainly Kratos tanks is not an attractive choice.

I've played multiple games and I gotta say, the space wolves actually have a massive rule here and the guy in my group playing them has used it very well. He completely shuts down the raven guard player, and has had impacts on all of us players. The thousand sons got shafted, the shield rule only works within 6" of the Hq, and has only come up when getting hit with titans since not much has more than -2 ap.

I love this new intro music, so much better 🙂

From what they've shown on WarCom it seems the Rapiers, Tarantulas, Leviathans and Deredeo's might come in one box. We'll see!

The Blood Angels special rule sound powerful, but you have to keep im mind how melee works. If a model has already fought, the enemy model gets one additional dice.

Man, the Space Wolves got shafted.

Wish you talked about legion mixing because some of these legion abilities make these legions great 'support/allied' legions than mains. I know that stinks for people that wanted to run some of the legions as mains but, as was shown in WD, legions like Emperors Children have great support abilities. Just spend a bit on them and you get their full legion abilitiy benefit. Death guard is a good example of a legion that could work great as either a main or support. If you don't care about their dangerous terrain protection, you can still use their bombardment ability as a support.

I grab a cup of English Tea and enjoy this later today...

Why can't GW do thw battletech model of era specific fights so for example you play 30k using 30k rules and if you want to play badaab wars you play that period and so up to the current period ,that way they have one game system with different scenario or army books to cover the period so nothing is broken to much .

This is not really a Astartes related question, but when i read through the rules and profiles of the vehicles, i came across something that is not clear to me. How may sponsons does a vehicle have (rules wise)? [as in how many can i fire... 1x or 2x] The way i read it, the vehicle has 1 weapon profile (for both) sponsons. So while i have 2 heavy bolters sponsons on my predator, i can only shoot one of them. When i now look at the Kratos profile it still only mentions "sponson mounted heavy bolters or sponson mounted lascannon", but for the hull mounted weapons specifically mentions, that the Kratos has "two" of those. The Baneblade wording for the sponson turrets is different, again, as this just doubles the shots for the "lascannon sponson turret".

Any chance of seeing the Primarchs ingame for Legions Imperialis?

I do wish they made the Astartes infantry feel a little more dominant. Even if it meant just giving all Astartes infantry types the reinforced armour (old rule) that allowed you to re-roll armour saves. Obviously increasing the pts to accommodate this, as I feel Astartes aren't as well represented as they should be compared to the likes of Epic Armageddon rules with those stats that showed how much more effective they would be. Would balance out the Soalr auxilla having numbers and superior armour.

I feel like once they finish the hh setting they will then do a game set around the beast with orks.

How many squads/units do the flyers transport? Trying to figure out how many someone would need to create an Aerial Assault Company reasonably… like what can you fit in a Thunder hawk or Storm Eagle…

what do bikes fall under in the org charts, i wanna do whitescars in LI and trying to plan out my preorders for what ill need

I cant think of many other 30k armies I suppose you could have demonkind, orks, eldar, mechanicus and custodians.

You should paint Luna Wolves. :P

If Gee Dubs wants to make an impression, is add Orks, and run Ullanor

Great rundown of the legions, thank you! Waiting for my own copy but maybe you can answer a question for me: Can you mix traitor and loyalist legions or are there essentially 2 separate factions of marines?

I only hope we see demons that would be rad

So do you need two boxes to make those Plasma units in the marine squads you mentioned?

BOY HOWDY!

I intend to play Solaris Auxilia but do think marines would feel more astates with a 4+ save.

I would houserule the more challenged legions like giving Emperors Children +1 on morla tests and give Space Wolves the furios charg rule in adittion to what the book says. Think that would fit the legions fluff whise. Also the good thing about the new models only having a tab between their legs is that its easy to gut of since its plastic and adn you can stick them on clear bases instead. Have i mentioned i really hate doing bases? :)

No rules for the speeders and jetbikes? they were used in the battle report in the white dwarf article..

they really need to do epic 40k using the same basic system...

Where's the ommph in the intro?

My god i want everything

Am I delusional, or have we not seen models for stuff like land raiders, drop pods, etc already previewed? How come they’re not in the army lists in the book? Does this mean there are going to be codices for the armies with fuller lists, or are GW going to go down the route of including the rules for a detachment as cards in the detachment box set and the only way to get those rules (legally) will be to buy the detachment box set? 🤔

i was interested until i saw a video pointing out if could cost up to $1000 + for a 3000 point army

So how many detachments would people predict would be in a 3000 marine army? (No allies). Just wondering how many order counters to try to get? About 30? 😱

Why is everyone saying that raven guard are top tier due to the infiltrate yet they also say denying infiltration is a useless skill? If infiltrate is so strong then wouldnt denying it being used against you be equally powerful?

Yep... Imperius Dominatus is definitively better at representing the various Legions.

As space wolves player, im a little bit upset

Bring the primarchs! 😃

If they don’t release orks eldar etc this is gonna flop like the last epic release, when they only released orks and marines. At least the other armies had rules and a limited “mail order only” availability, if this has nothing it’s gonna be bad.

Thank you but, Please, stop placing the stereo sound all left. This is not a dynamic stereo scene, you are not moving in it, the sound shouldn't be set 80% Left like this ! It's barely audible on earphones. Think about it, a 30min long video about game rules in one ear !

At this point I honestly wish they'd just leave legion choice as purely cosmetic and a genuine rules mirror match on the tabletop. While the legions imperialis options don't seem as egregious as the differences in Horus Heresy, its still going to influence what some people pick, which is a shame and basically means you're making a decision between effectiveness on the tabletop and the legion you actually most like lore or aesthetic wise. I'll probably still ask people to just play without legion special rules altogether with an opponents agreement, but rather than just flat refusing to play certain very obviously stacked lists insisting on using them like I did in HH (Hello Mr Imperial Fists with about as many bolt weapons as you can possibly fit in a list. That seems about as fun a game as a punch in the nuts, so go find another sucker!) I think the differences won't be so completely oppressive, and will go with it if people want to use them.

You mean horus heresy only involves imperial armies lmfao the scandal!

of course there's not going to be xenos, this is HH.

None of us can afford this.

Man what a let down. Fan games have better legion rules than that.

100% disappointed on NOT using the smaller scale to make weapons fire not nerf gun range. I will Not be using those ranges as max range but "effective" range. I already think its silly that a weapon that gets shot at void craft in orbit cant shoot two blocks in AT18.