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GNOME 47 Opts For An Interesting Change In Design
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Күн бұрынFonts, we all use them but how often do you think about them, well most people probably not much but if you're a designer they serve as a very important piece of your design language and the GNOME project is opting for a new font called Inter going forward.
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@BrodieRobertson Ай бұрын
I am now aware of the interrobang ‽, this is the first and last time I will likely ever see it lol PS. Each line of the thumbnail is using a different font
@jktolford8272 Ай бұрын
Late in the last millennium I remember an attempt to popularize the interbang, or interrobang. It didn't take off, but it was thought to be useful for things like emphatic rhetorical questions. Who'd have thunk it ‽
@skelebro9999 Ай бұрын
lol I have ‽ on my phone keyboard
@lainwired3946 Ай бұрын
Deffo won't be the last time you ever see it now you're aware lol. It's had some hard-core fans for a long time. It's very niche but I bet it'll pop up in an article or video or some obscure feature request you see in the future.
@naturesarmy9 Ай бұрын
What‽‽‽
@James2210 Ай бұрын
God, I can't unsee that now
@JohnSmith-lc1ml Ай бұрын
Only a linux youtuber would make a 20min video about a font change
@livedreamsg Ай бұрын
Thanks for the heads up!
@skelebro9999 Ай бұрын
someone has to feed the family ya kno
@b0t123 Ай бұрын
This whole video could've been a email amirite?
@forivall Ай бұрын
Or a font KZfaqr.
@zZGzHD Ай бұрын
brodie makes slop out of everything lmao
@themroc8231 Ай бұрын
5:54 - The interrobang (‽) was quite fashionable in the 60's and 70's. It was used to punctuate rethorical questions (think "What the hell‽". There is quite a sizable literary corpus from that period that make use of the interrobang in English and a lot of written press and it was even featured on Remington typewriters at the time. Non-standard punctuations a really interesting thing. Virtually every language at any given time is adopting a new nonstandard punctuation sign it will abandon 10 to 100 years from now. Speaking of which the interrobang should be it's own character, not a ligature. It has it's own iso number and everything.
@jamesrivettcarnac Ай бұрын
Yes! I'm happy it's being supported
@lis6502 Ай бұрын
like... fonts... for 20 mins, dude. my xfce doesn't even render correctly monospaced blockquotes and after this video i started to notice, thanks Brodie, now i can't unsee this.
@BrodieRobertson Ай бұрын
Can't say I've heard that issue before
@theworldoffun8997 Ай бұрын
Even though are not many design guys in foss community, gtk apps look so much better than half of all the software people use on windows.
@justapotota4330 Ай бұрын
Gnome’s software looks and feels amazing, I just wish they would be less stubborn about new features like SSD on Wayland or system trays
@CoreyKearney Ай бұрын
@@justapotota4330 I wasn't aware that system trays was a new feature. They worked pretty well in Gnome 2 and early Gnome 3.
@Zullfix Ай бұрын
While I do generally agree, some apps like Gnome Lollypop feel terrible to use because of the excessively minimalist design.
@iiisaac1312 Ай бұрын
ngl a lot of gnome's stuff feels like Little Tikes My First Computer
@gljames24 Ай бұрын
@@iiisaac1312Because it doesn't take 7 clicks to find a setting?
@glenng1555 Ай бұрын
As a Chinese user I am used to just use whatever CJK fonts available and hope that they are not too broken for day-to-day use. Noto doesn't always look great but at least it works.
@StupidusMaximusTheFirst Ай бұрын
Whatever font they pick, it has to support as many languages and features as possible. That's more important than being the best looking font. I'm not gonna say anything about the license, this being Gnome that's what they'll look at first. lol
@mariolis Ай бұрын
KZfaq's default faunt suffers from this too: " Illegal " Fonts that display uppercase i (I) and lowercase L (l) the same way should be illegal and their use should be considered a crime against humanity Edit: Before anyone says it , i know that in youtube's font I and l have a tiny height difference , but still, they look almost identical , which shouldn't be the case
@Soccera0 Ай бұрын
The ?! thing is an albeit uncommon, valid and accepted character. It's called an interrobang. Wikipedia states that it was invented in 1962.
@dozerd42 Ай бұрын
The Linux Experiment and Gardiner Bryant are both design people, and TLE seems to love Gnome. This gives me the idea that we are in the middle of a design renaissance in the Linux world.
@henrymach Ай бұрын
I always switch my boxes to the Inter font right after installation. I really like it
@affechristoph Ай бұрын
I have a weird preference. I actually use Microsofts 'Bahnschrift' font. I love it because it perfectly resembles German road signs and those actually look great. Though, because I dislike Microsoft, I looked for different fonts that resemble that style, but none of them is as good as Bahnschrift. My choice for a monospace font is much more based though, it's 'Terminess', the Nerd-Font version of 'Terminus'
@Kinzuu Ай бұрын
Google "DIN 1451", the actual font used for German road signs is available to download under that name :)
@jongeduard Ай бұрын
Often you will notice that one reason you like a font is because you already shaped everything around it, you adjusted many styles on you desktop, website or in your documents to it and you got used to all that. So then becomes gets hard to change. And meanwhile your stuff is owned by someone else, a company that tells you that you may not edit or print your own documents without a license for their operating system. Whoops.
@tranthien3932 Ай бұрын
Reject everything, return to Comic Sans
@b0t123 Ай бұрын
Comic Neue for me
@stefanalecu9532 Ай бұрын
Or Comic Shanns
@Somebodyherefornow Ай бұрын
Comic Code
@stroodlepup Ай бұрын
This is how you summon the end of days
@pcartisan2721 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@billeterk Ай бұрын
JetBrains mono looks fine. I usually use Source Code Pro but I’m Generally happy as long as it’s readable and italics are italic rather than just slanted.
@massgrave_ Ай бұрын
as a designer, inter is a great modern sans typeface, but it is so so so so trendy right now.
@jort93z Ай бұрын
In german we had a change somewhat in the writing system somewhat recently. We have the letter ß. However, it is never used at the beginning of words, so there was no upper case equivalent for the longest time. An upper case version (ẞ) was only added to unicode in 2008 and was officially recognized by the Council for German Orthography back in 2017. Before than, you'd have issues writing stuff in all upper case. So cantarell doesn't have ẞ, but inter, and other modern fonts, do.
@rawrrrer Ай бұрын
The lower case ß already looks uppercase-ish, do they really need a seperate uppercase letter for that?
@Tenajeh Ай бұрын
@@rawrrrer Yes. The difference might be small-ish but it's still as clear as the difference between K and k. There are also instances where systems transform certain inputs into its capitalized version. For most letters, there already exists a counterpart. But historically, there was a rule to transform ß into ss or before that into sz (literally the name for ß) when changing a spelling. But when it comes to names on official documents, the name is suddenly not the real name and there need to be specific rules that say "This is still valid despite the misspelling." And also, it can be upsetting for people to have your name being presented incorrectly. Just using an actual letter that has existed for a long time already, anyway, is the best solution. Also, ẞ is even older than 2008. Google for an image of "DER GROẞE DUDEN". You will find titles that spell it with mixed capitalization "Der große DUDEN" which looks just bad. There are titles that say "DER GROSSE DUDEN" which should be pronounced very differently (wrongly). But there are also a few p.e. from 1966 that incorporate a separate upper case ẞ. That's how old this variant is alt least. So why not just implementing it into unicode and the official spelling guides?
@MyAmazingUsername Ай бұрын
The new one has saggy boobs and a beer gut.
@JonHaa87 Ай бұрын
The standard ß doesn't really work as upper case character because a) it often looks like a weird B is a row of upper case characters b) in most fonts it's taller and less wide than your standard uppercase character, so it would look out of place, c) it was historically seen as a lower case character, so it would look as out of pace as if writing something like WINdOW.
@davidfrischknecht8261 Ай бұрын
My monospaced font of choice is Cascadia Code.
@forivall Ай бұрын
Everyone has their favourite monospace font (fantasque sans here)
@AnAnonymousAuditor Ай бұрын
I just went with Fira Code, since I like the ligatures (as cursed as some of them may be)
@bruwyvn Ай бұрын
Iosevka is pretty good too
@jamesrivettcarnac Ай бұрын
A solid choice
@superbotnotabot Ай бұрын
I like the font change on the thumbnail
@terminallyonline5296 Ай бұрын
A subtle but important change.
@superbotnotabot Ай бұрын
@@terminallyonline5296 Correct!
@Tracenji Ай бұрын
i think we should just come together as a species and create a global law which mandates that the default font for everything shall from hence forth be Comic Sans
@Contmotore Ай бұрын
As a designer myself this was very interesting to watch.
@readtedium Ай бұрын
5:53 aww man, you don't know what an interrobang is? Look it up, some great history behind that ligature.
@metrotechguru5863 Ай бұрын
I really respect your analysis of this issue. While I can't say I've given it much thought, you have broken this down in a way that I found very interesting. Cheers, mate.
@upgradeplans777 Ай бұрын
For the last 5 years I've been setting my Terminal font to IBM Plex Mono. I like it. I guess taste is subjective though, because I just took a look at JetBrains Mono, *I'm not going to use that.* For the default UI font however, I don't read it enough to care. My UI could use a dingbat font and I'd still quickly learn to habitually press the correct buttons.
@rafalg87 Ай бұрын
Iosevka is a great monospace font. Also Monofur.
@excidium_ Ай бұрын
Iosevka gang
@Tobias-fl3nb Ай бұрын
I use Atkinson hyperlegible, as it helps with my dyslexia and sight issues, along with still being open source
@daysejones968 Ай бұрын
I love that font, so good
@orbatos Ай бұрын
Ever use Andika?
@Tobias-fl3nb Ай бұрын
@@orbatos oh god it's awful lol. And for use cases these fonts are made for, Hyperlegible is better and more verifiable, as it is made by the braille institute and was made with visually impaired people as the testers, while Andika is made by a sketchy cultural assimilation group that did not actually take the users into account in any meaningful way other than vaguely “keeping new readers in mind”
@orbatos Ай бұрын
@@Tobias-fl3nb Hyperlegible is much better, but to be fair Andika is just kind of rudimentary rather than horrible, better than a couple I see in common use but agreed otherwise. SIL is just a tech org that develops tools though, (a turing complete font description, that's a win right lol ). I'd take any claims of actual outreach with a grain of salt but people do use their stuff (pango for example). Archiving is important, they aren't the ones doing it though. The majority of their good design was from a couple grad students 10 years ago.
@RadikAlice Ай бұрын
Oh hey, I know that one! Cool! Any thoughts on OpenDyslexic, does it do what it sets out to do?
@jongeduard Ай бұрын
Underrated subject. Especially in the FOSS space. Everyone thinks about the programs they use but not the thing directly used to display text. Most people are not aware how much on proprietary fonts they depend. They are using these their documents not realizing that they don't own these. For me it was especially also Arch, where you get literally nothing out the the box, which made me even more aware of how important difference fonts can make. I personally like the Noto fonts a lot, but Source Code Pro is also really great for monospace, for programming. This new Inter font looks also really good, it looks really clean and I also think the current old Cantarell font does a fine job for gnome but it's not too amazing, it feels old.
@Steerable6827 Ай бұрын
the ?! is called an interrobang
@iwastherobloxianminecrafter Ай бұрын
‽
@KertaDrake Ай бұрын
I can't even remember a time where an interrobang character was used outside of the context of pointing out that it actually exists as its own character. It's existence is a very strange anomaly.
@WyvernDotRed Ай бұрын
My current font of choice is Fira Sans, which I started using as it's the Garuda Linux default but after comparing it I can say that I fully agree with the choice. The associated monospace font is "FiraCode Nerd Font Mono", which I mostly like though it does combines characters to different symbols a tad too much.
@arcum42 Ай бұрын
FiraCode Nerd Font would indicate that that's the coding version (and, in fact, with "Nerd Font" in the name, probably further modified for coding), where they did a bunch of combining characters to different symbols for reading source code. Just straight Fira Mono would be the original, and might be something to try if you don't like it combining characters.
@vsz-z2428 Ай бұрын
inter looks very nice for a system font in my eyes, it’s clean and ‘out your way’. love the proposal.
@cedricksusername Ай бұрын
Amazing thumbnail.
@insu_na Ай бұрын
I bought the "Realtime" and "Realtime Text" fonts many years ago and use them on every system. They look really good
@HatsuSixty Ай бұрын
i see what you did in the thumbnail
@JoseHernandez-bt6wd Ай бұрын
After I updated my Debian Sid system, I immediately noticed the font change lmao. Looks pretty badass and I like it a lot.
@dmiracle74 Ай бұрын
After 40 years of using computers I'm finally getting into fonts. The only times were in typing papers for school. A whole new rabbit hole to follow.🎉
@thingsiplay Ай бұрын
Inter-esting title Just noticed the title. Is the "Inter"-resting part of the video title desired choice or coincidental?
@jojothefine Ай бұрын
Yeah I've used Inter on my KDE setup for 2 years now. I too like the font. The italics in Inter are probably my favorite.
@stevethepocket Ай бұрын
It's wild that variable-width fonts have taken so long to catch on, considering that they've been supported by CSS since like... 2000 or so? Like, there's a syntax where you can specify a three-digit number for the weight instead of "bold" or "regular", and I remember reading about it in _The Complete Idiot's Guide to Creating a Web Page_ waaaaaay back in the day.
@SFSAtlas Ай бұрын
Variable width is something different, variable width means a fonts characters can be different sizes, as compared to monospace, where each character has to be the same size
@TheDireLynx Ай бұрын
that's really unfortunate to hear about the Ubuntu font family. I could've guessed it wouldn't end up being used as the default, but knowing it has license issues that'll make other projects much less likely to use it makes me sad because i really love the way the Ubuntu fonts look and they're so easy to read.
@Creepus_Explodus Ай бұрын
I install the Ubuntu font on all of my systems, it is by far the most readable font I've seen on the Linux desktop so far, at any size.
@tkain61 Ай бұрын
I might be in the minority, but I don't love the idea of replacing Cantarell with Inter in GNOME. Adwaita's design philosophy is all about things appearing soft and rounded; I think Cantarell fits that well, but Inter doesn't. (That said, I think Inter is a very good font otherwise.)
@kbhasi 7 күн бұрын
I only really took notice of Inter when Evernote switched to that as their UI font as part of a UI redesign after Bending Spoons took over (they previously used Source Sans Pro prior to the acquisition), and didn't think it was a free font, but it seems to be, and I didnt think it was a bigger deal than I thought it'd be, but it is. As a result of my background, I have interests in both technology and design, and even though my areas of interest in design are panned more towards comic art, I could theoretically see myself incorporating Inter as a default or fallback font in a design system I'm working on for a personal project, as well as to replace Noto Sans as a UI font in a different (and currently suspended) project of mine. I could take notes from the Inter design docs for fonts I'd create (even though they'd be more like design display and text fonts than UI fonts).
@maxmouse3 Ай бұрын
Very cool! I never thought about a lot of these cases even though they affect me. Interesting to get a detailed background! I hope this change is approved!
@Wampa842 Ай бұрын
If they don't properly support double acute glyphs like Őő and Űű I'm going to riot. I've seen too often, even in print, that those letters are in a jarringly different font because *nobody bothered to check language support.*
@Theraot Ай бұрын
Interrobang.
@kvolikkorozkov Ай бұрын
Interrobang‽‽‽
@dorktales254 Ай бұрын
Fantasque Sans Mono is my favourite monospace font, I like a bit of playfulness
@itjustcrashed Ай бұрын
space mono is my mono space font.
@blinking_dodo Ай бұрын
I know how fonts are always incomplete. I made one myself and it has no distinction between capital and lowercase letters... 😅
@IsmaelLuceno Ай бұрын
Smallcaps exist purely for style, back in the 15th and 16th century books were a lot more adorned than they are today, partly because of the need to compete with manuscripts, which were not just books but pieces of art.
@ochyooy9935 Ай бұрын
Funny. I've been using Inter as UI font in gnome for quite a while. Fits great
@angeldude101 Ай бұрын
I forgot that desktop environments need to decide on a default font. I will say that complete Unicode coverage is _literally impossible_ for a single font. Current font formats have hard technical limits to the number of glyphs that is significantly lower than the number of Unicode codepoints, and that's without counting the many ways in which a single codepoint can be rendered depending on the context. If you want Unicode coverage for very specific scripts, you _will_ need to install an alternate font, since a single font cannot possibly cover every possible script. This is why Noto is split into a bagillion different fonts, and some scripts -ahem CJK- have so many distinct glyphs that you need multiple fonts just to cover a single script. Some fonts might come packaged as multiple files to increase the number of available glyphs, though they might still have holes that are filled by some other unrelated font, that itself is missing several of the glyphs that the prior font has. The pains of trying to get 100% Unicode coverage...
@kevrasx Ай бұрын
The combined !? Is actually a very old thing. It's probably been over 100 years since it was a thing.
@MyAmazingUsername Ай бұрын
Inter is a good font. Always looked better than Cantarell. But I use Apple's SF Pro. They obsessed over readability. Nothing beats it for clarity.
@harminparrarueda5615 Ай бұрын
I just tried the Inter font in my PC desktop and I like it :)
@NeaLx86 Ай бұрын
i LOVE jetbrains mono :D
@jongeduard Ай бұрын
Oh yeah it can definitely be a good thing. I will also try it on Windows for my work if possible. Currently using Source Code Pro which is also pretty fine. I am not a huge fan of Cascadia Code which is in Visual Studio by default. But other even better options are possibly welcome. But how can you also disable those terrible ligatures for arrows and other operator symbols on the Jetbrains font? Because I really don't want my code to look like something else than what I am actually typing (I cannot believe people even want that).
@GerritLeman Ай бұрын
I wonder if Inter is based on Atkinson Hyperlegible? Atkinson Hyperlegible is a freely available typeface built intended to be optimally legible for readers who are partially visually impaired, with all characters maximally distinguishable from one another. It was developed by the Braille Institute of America in collaboration with Applied Design Works and is available under the SIL Open Font License.
@Tenajeh Ай бұрын
7:29 >>I'm not, uhm "smol"
@MonochromeWench Ай бұрын
Fonts need to be maintained in order to support new Unicode versions. Switching to a newer well maintained font makes sense. Way too often developers live in an ASCII centric world so proper Unicode support is a big afterthought in code and fonts.
@eecarolinee Ай бұрын
Never occurred to me that fonts needs maintenance. Totally makes sense that they do.
@Your_Degenerate Ай бұрын
I have grown fond of pixelated fonts such as Helvetica for it's sharpness being easy on my eyes.
@stevethepocket Ай бұрын
Helvetica isn't a "pixelated font." If you happened across a really old pixel font calling itself Helvetica (is .FOT still a thing?), that's interesting, but it's been around since the days of analog printing, and I doubt its creators would still be distributing a non-vector version these days.
@naheemsays5140 Ай бұрын
Chances are the font use by gnome will be a variation of inter and it will be given a new name to set those variations in stone. So just using inter to test what the font will be like, you will get close but not the whole shebang.
@janzibansi9218 Ай бұрын
Uppercase i and lowercase L NEED to be visually different, as should O and zero, at least on computers. few people write their a's like this, but the Keyboard does, to help distinct it from an o. More fonds need this. Add a little dot in the zero, no ink wasted
@Toleich Ай бұрын
Inter is a pretty good choice. IMO.
@jmacdono Ай бұрын
Inter is a superb font - I love that GNOME is likely going to go to it.
@masterflitzer Ай бұрын
inter indeed looks nice when using the different I and L, my favorite monospace/coding font is fira code, it's perfect imo
@thingsiplay Ай бұрын
I wish all major distributions would use a Nerd Font by default, with all the additional icons.
@framegrace1 Ай бұрын
For Monospaced, absolutely.
@toonfoxart Ай бұрын
I've always use my keyboard and system language in english, but man sometimes I really need my ñ key, italic, underline and this thing ç...and I don't even know it's name but is useful to have it accessible and most of the fonts I use doesn't have those. It's a really really small problem but it happens sometimes
@RadikAlice Ай бұрын
Ah, the good old cedilla. I assume Spanish cus y'know, native speaker here. My keyboard is set to Spanish, but system is always English
@framegrace1 Ай бұрын
Gnome keyboard switcher works wonders for that. Super+Space switches keyboards.
@RadikAlice Ай бұрын
@@framegrace1 How amusing, same shortcut as on Windows Wonder if it was pure coincidence, or necessity
@framegrace1 Ай бұрын
@@RadikAlice No idea, have not used windows for 30 years and back then didn't even knew English.
@toonfoxart Ай бұрын
@@RadikAlice sip, español también por aquí, más que nada por trabajo tengo todo en inglés pero algunas fuentes que uso para trabajar precisamente no tienen caracteres latinos :[
@TheRollercoasterRide Ай бұрын
My favourite monospace font is Comic Code. It looks like a meme but I find programming, particularly reading code, with other fonts less pleasant after having used it for so long.
@Bhethar Ай бұрын
I’m all for improvements. I think Gnome looks very good. I’m still not a fan of how heavy it can be and hope they will work on fixing that but decently it’s a gorgeous environment.
@BlogingLP Ай бұрын
My favorite Monospace fomt is Noto Mono
@AgentAsteriski Ай бұрын
Noto has insane language support, beyond just Roman alphabet based languages. The project I'm working on is using Red Hat Display for English+, but Noto Sans is covering both versions of Chinese. Whatever GNOME goes with, it should be something that at least aims for that level of international coverage, unless they want to just be "the English only desktop".
@MyAmazingUsername Ай бұрын
Inter does not support Chinese. Cantarell doesn't support it either. Switching has no impact on Chinese users. Btw, Cantarell is such an eyesore that the first thing I did was replace it with something else. Glad they are replacing it with Inter, a great font.
@dealloc Ай бұрын
I think JetBrains Mono is the best monospace pair. I've tested a lot of fonts over the years across many display monitors with different resolutions, pixel densities and font rendering algorithms between OS and font sizes (I'm kind of obsessed) and have found Inter, Roboto and JetBrains Mono to be the most crisp and easiest to read from 9-10pt and up (you hardly need anything less than 11 anyway). Noto is OK but based on my own independent observations those two have been the best results so far. GNOME could probably update their font aliasing to fit the font they use by default better; i.e. Microsoft's ClearText is terrible on 99% of fonts I've tested (too thin, too thick, too blurry at small sizes), except for JetBrains Mono and Inter. The only "downside" of choosing Inter is that they'd also have to find pairings for monospace, serif (and other variants?) depending on what their requirements are, and they all would have to be pretty consistent with each other in terms of features, form, kerning, etc. which is pretty difficult without making changes to the fonts.
@Shifter-1040ST Ай бұрын
I should really stay out of this discussion since I'm using the TOS ROM font for my entire desktop 😅
@orbatos Ай бұрын
"new font features" .... Even with smart fonts the renderer is what needs active development far more than the face. Other language support doesn't need to be embedded in a single font in the first place, Unicode make it relatively easy to pull glyphs from installed fonts for other languages.
@orbatos Ай бұрын
Sans fonts should only be used at low resolutions imo, with hidpi serifs will help with readability.
@genstian Ай бұрын
Noto could not be used to Gnome because it was used by KDE, and therefore it was too mainstream and GNOME like being special. Thats the real reason, right? :)
@stefanalecu9532 Ай бұрын
No, it's because Inter looks better than Noto. Your message screams "I have a hate boner for Gnome"
@foxonboard1 Ай бұрын
@@stefanalecu9532 Just a little satire comment, I’d say. I don‘t hate GNOME but still think this comment is funny
@BrodieRobertson Ай бұрын
I know this is a joke but outside of the Linux world Inter is incredibly popular
@CoreyKearney Ай бұрын
I'm kind of shocked Gnome hasn't done anything for accessibility in the font department. studies have shown that Comic Sans isn't really any better than times new roman for many dyslexic users. There are a number options out there, And none of them AFIK ship with default gnome or kde. I personally use Shantell Sans. it's like comic sans but evenly spaced and sized. It's an open standard font. I had to get directly though.
@cavvieira Ай бұрын
That ?! is an interrobang.
@centy64 Ай бұрын
Interrobang is one of the most underused characters and should be more widespread.
@jh0ker Ай бұрын
I really love the mononoki font for my monospace needs. Nerd font version available as well.
@jamesrivettcarnac Ай бұрын
The disambiguation is why i basically default to serifed fonts. In technical writing ambiguity kills.
@gravityshark580 Ай бұрын
5:55 interrobang mentioned‽‽
@turtlefrog-tn3ek Ай бұрын
why should a font have a "disambigious mode" the letters should not be confusing in the first place. Thats what you get trying to oversimplify things and then overcomplicate it.
@BrodieRobertson Ай бұрын
I agree but it's a stylistic choice that is quite popular, the problem is if you let designers operate in a vacuum you sometimes sacrifice functionality for style
@horusfalcon Ай бұрын
As long as this default font can be changed by the user, who cares? GNOME doesn't impress me much. XFCE spoken here, with Linux Biolinum as my selected font. Disambiguation should be an integral function of a font's design. This seems somewhat of a tempest in a teapot. I can see adding glyphs for unicode support and alt languages (somewhat related), but this seems like much ado about nothing.
@mks-h Ай бұрын
10:23 - oh hey! I'm someone ;-)
@b33thr33kay Ай бұрын
I prefer Noto 🙃
@YouTubdotCub Ай бұрын
Brodie: "I'm obviously not a designer." also Brodie, with a strong design opinion: "...I don't know why this website is YELLOW."
@BrodieRobertson Ай бұрын
I'm not a mechanic but I know when my car doesn't start
@Daktyl198 Ай бұрын
I've been using Noto Sans pretty much since it was released... and I'll probably just keep using it forever tbh. Great font.
@Mishaye Ай бұрын
Been trying Inter on KDE Plasma since I heard about GNOME changing to it, and it's a pretty nice font. I'll most likely just stick with it for now.
@HUNT3RdotME Ай бұрын
Personally more of a Recursive Sans kinda guy. Casual and technical, even in Linear variety.
@MrAlanCristhian Ай бұрын
Geist is amazing. I use it for my terminal. It looks big for some reason. But I understand that is too new, and with a small community.
@fooboomoo 22 күн бұрын
my new favorite linux chanel
@LautaroQ2812 Ай бұрын
This gives me "Papyrus" vibes (with Ryan Gosling) 🤣
@bububirb Ай бұрын
JetBrains Mono is my favorite as well. As for sans serif I've been using a variant of Inter called GitLab Sans because it had disambiguation.
@sobertillnoon Ай бұрын
"The world is bigger than just english"?? Now that just sounds Ludacris.
@DarthVader11912 Ай бұрын
Brodie could make a video watching paint dry and I would watch it lol.
@BrodieRobertson Ай бұрын
Isn't that basically an LFS stream
@DarthVader11912 Ай бұрын
@@BrodieRobertson Yeah you're right.
@maxarendorff6521 Ай бұрын
I currently use Canterell and Source Code Pro and if and when they switch the default font over to Inter I'm going to be using that. Part of the reason why I use Gnome is to stop ricing.
@fred-2.7182 Ай бұрын
I switched to Mononoki a couple of month ago and still like it. :)
@nonstandarduser_ Ай бұрын
My favorite monospace font is Cascadia-Code
@realalphas Ай бұрын
Noto Sans is just better then Inter. Main reason - it is more simple. And has all styles.
@enofisenoff3810 Ай бұрын
Imagine participating in a long long discussion to decide something for the users, instead of writing software that allows and induces the users to easily make their own decisions, especially on a topic that should have no repercussions on how the software actually works.
@david-polak Ай бұрын
Interrobang is life.
@torspedia Ай бұрын
TIL that there's a lot more to fonts than I originally thought. 🤔
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