@@yanjia1777 Hey, not everyone can play perfectly

@@yanjia1777 hmm I can see the reasoning: control Noah, but at that point they were out of wincons (Heliod & Thoracle)

corbin: we do a little trolling

DUDE RIGHT?? I got completely ruined

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG you're not the first one. No one expects the stax plan out of the shrines deck, it's hilarious 😂

@@stormincorbyn not me planning a tech.

@@stormincorbyn Long shot that you will actually see this lol but do you have a list for this deck? I liked it a lot.

And Dark Inquiry

While not optimal, Ican maybe see murder in a K'rrik deck that really needs a lot of creature removal for it's meta as it essentially costs 1, evo wilds if iin any deck makes sense in a 6 coloured pip commander, mana geode however? No. Don't play that card plz

Did this event not allow proxies? Or are these guys playing budget decks? Wtf I’m head scratching here

@@PhoenixRNH I dunno. I have a Toshiro Umezawa deck and Murder doesn't even make the cut there.

@@zotmaster yes but with K'rrik you only pay 1 mana and 4 life, big difference hence why it could maybe see play there

it wasnt cedh, especially niv-mizzet looked rather bad

@@PlacuszekPL98 If that is the case then they would have edited the thumbnail and title by now.

It definitely is a casual game not cedh

Definitely not cedh...

Niv mizzet can definitely be cedh but is very draw/opening reliant I've had a niv player scoop because I cast phyrexian revoker naming jeweled lotus when they had one turning their turn 2 niv into an unplayable hand

Same here. Sometimes it feels like people forget that there's more to cEDH than Thoracle, Breach, and Craterhoof.

@@MexiPerplexi and don’t forget ad naus. Seems like you can’t have a single game without someone suiciding down to 5-10 life and just blowing or whiffing

Well, I missed the fact that I was not suppose to be making slugs with hushbringer on the field so it evens out 😆

@@stormincorbyn oh wow you're so right I didn't even realize that the word "dying" was on the card lmao

yeah, at this point we were just like... "yeah ok you win just kill us plz"

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Can you check the decklist here? the go-shintai list is not correct

How did he not deck himself to Honden of Seeing Winds? That's not a may.

Agreed, I was just about to text the deck out when I realized the list was different. Please give us the list used in the video.

same, was super excited but deck isnt correct

Yeah it's a shame. I was trying to look up niv mizzet commander games specifically so to have one of the few videos of him out there on KZfaq be of the player just flopping left and right sucks a bit. Thankfully seeing shrines pop off for once redeemed the video a little bit, but it did seem like the table just let the shrine player get out of control way too fast. Obviously I don't know every card they had, but I have a suspicion they could have done better. Overall it felt like a "high power" EDH video and not a proper cEDH game.

That’s what I was thinking, I know it’s mono-black, but murder? And an evolving wild in Izzet colors? You can run what, 7 fetches, and a lot of other mana fixing. Seems like this game was skewed form the start.

Quinten must’ve not played that deck before holy cow lol

So glad I'm not the only one that was bothered by the Murder lol

No shade on the evolving Wilds in Niv Mizzet? Lol

​​@@MrSlaressi would totally play evolving wilds, it's a 2 color deck. Bad cards in tergrid was pretty unexcusable having soooo many cards available that say each player discards or sac for cheap and he did almost nothing all game, so many single players discard or single target kills .... Deck isn't synergizing right

Toxrill or Elesh Born in that slot. I'm specifically running Toxrill because I'm also running brudiclad to turn all tokens into shrine tokens 😂

there was also a period where it was removed from the board , too much new stuff for me to keep track of though

Correct. Husbringer only stops abilities triggered by explicitly a CREATURE entering the battlefield, regardless of what that triggering ability is glued to

@@alexzander7629 Ah, so that's why Aura Shards wouldn't trigger because it does if a Creature ETBs, which Husbringer stops. Yet noncreature permanent ETBs still activate even if the source is a Creature.

Yes. Since shrines are not a creature type.

It is, I play a relatively similar one and it's fun to see your value get out of control.

Wizard class might be to make Niv massive to win with commander damage, the x burn spell is maybe just a 2 mana draw if needed(?), kasmina is good for giving Niv pseudo ward, as well as drawing a card to trigger curiosity if needed. The deck did play some odd cards but I liked it

@@fosterdawson7339 wizard class was spicy. Kasmina idk, I prefer Spellskite or Boots instead. About the burn spell, there are better things to run instead, bounce spells are a way to save Niv from removal.

Yea I noticed that weird, wish I could see the list showcased

Hushbringer only stops abilities from triggering... theoretical duplication gives a delayed effect.

@@EDRVerano I'm not sure what you're claiming, but Theoretical Duplication's ability starts with "Whenever", so it's a triggered ability.

@@WhiteWizard42 Theoretical Duplication does not have an ability because it is not a permanent... what it gives is a delayed effect which is fulfilled when Niv-mizzet entered the battlefield under an opponent's control.

@@EDRVerano it creates a delayed *triggered ability*, yes.

@@WhiteWizard42 I stand corrected. 603.7a Delayed triggered abilities are created during the resolution of spells or abilities, as the result of a replacement effect being applied, or as a result of a static ability that allows a player to take an action. A delayed triggered ability won’t trigger until it has actually been created, even if its trigger event occurred just beforehand. Other events that happen earlier may make the trigger event impossible.

I tried posting my list but I'm pretty sure KZfaq is auto deleting it since it's a link. If you look up SkulduggeryKain on Moxfield you'll find the list. I did send my list into PWP so hopefully they update the description link if they get time

@@stormincorbyn I can't find you anywhere on moxfield. Are you able to send me the link address so I can copy and paste.

@@Archadean I've tried multiple times to link my list by the post keeps getting deleted. If you search skulduggerykain in brewers you'll find the list. Hope this helps!

I think they thought the dragon wouldn't sacrifice if the village rights didn't resolve, but obviously it was sacrificed as an additional cost. The other thing I was thinking, was maybe they were hoping Tergrid Drew another kill spell for walking ballista in response to Noah giving it life link

We didn't have his deck, so we needed to use a close approximation.

Hushbringer Reads "Creatures entering the battlefield or dying don’t cause abilities to trigger". Go-Shintai of Life's Origin triggers on shrines entering the battlefield. And thus the non creature shrines still trigger Go-Shintai. The triggers by Enchantment Creature Shrines like Go-Shintai of Shared Purpose, would be prevented by Hushbringer.

We have the Mox Pearl tier. Other than that we try to make it out to conventions whenever we can in order to play with fans.

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG thanks for the response! I'm gonna have to check that out, and hopefully I could see y'all at a convention one day!

Yes, but I didn't have my commander on the board. Those shrine token triggers never actually happened.

@@stormincorbyn @15:00 when replenish is casted he Go shintai made 5 shrines, but since all the shrines enter at the same time, sanctum of all would have the triggered abilities doubled.

@@Technogeek101 Life's Origin was in the commander zone. It got swords @10:58 and I never recasted it. The announcer is counting triggers that aren't happening. I don't blame them though, my board is sooo convoluted lol.

@@stormincorbyn okay that makes sense. Just heard them say the triggered ability for shrines and assumed it was still on the field. Thanks for the clarification.

I wish. Don't think we are ever getting it :(

i noticed as well. I hope they fix it

with the trigger to return on the stack, Go-Shintai returned Binding to the battlefield before Tergrid could grab it

@@tmakalpha1 Yup! Exactly!

I run Calming Verse in decks for this very reason. It destroys most stax pieces

@@freerunner1953 Nice Meta choice! This is also why I run the creature stax and the replenish. Aura Flux hurts me on a cellular level though lol!

Back to nature being 2 Mana is also okay.

@@kingfuzzy2 that's actually the one meant. I got them both mixed up. Back to Nature is what I use

@@freerunner1953 right on

Deafening silence prevents you from casting more than one non-creature spell each turn. He only casted one (Sol Ring) and a creature (Tergrid)

There was, and it was around 50 cards too (because it triggers twice).

its a may

@@oompalumpa2650 No, the Honden is not a may (the Sanctum is).

No. That's my fault, I never game them a list because I forgot lol. Here it is: www.moxfield.com/decks/32HZUgeaz06OnybV3K-Ebg

@@stormincorbyn ah, i see xD better late than never! thanks ^^

@@stormincorbyn I don't see stony silence from this link which was played in this game.

@@nivraman you're right! Should be in there instead of the seal of cleansing. Sorry, I'm not playing this exact list anymore, I've made some changes since this game was recorded

i think Quinten did a lot of misplayes and random things this match, like casting an overloaded Cyclonic rift in his own tur etc

The endstep paying for the Go-Shintai's ability is in itself a trigger. It's a trigger asking if you want to pay, if you pay you get the effect. Sanctum of All doubles that trigger so it asks you twice if you want to pay.

@@stormincorbyn Rule 603.12 explains that some triggered abilities start with a reflexive trigger that must be assessed before the ability can resolve, in this case that is the cost of (1) and it is paid "before" the ability can trigger, so this matter of paying the one is resolved before the shrine's effect is put onto the stack and that shrine's effect after the cost is what gets copies was my understanding of the rules. Is this not the case?

@@franklynhotsteel2669 when I play shrines on MTG Arena I have to pay two, so I guess it's not 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@stormincorbyn woah, I’ll change up the way I play then

No, I only had 3 shrine tokens. My commander got swords by Noah and I never recasted it. The last shrine counts that the narrator pointed out never happened. I drew 24 cards off the Seeing winds. 3 tokens + 9 "real" shrines and doubled by Sanctum of all.

@@stormincorbyn Gotcha