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Mods are what prevent games from getting stale.

minecraft wouldn't even be close to today if it didn't have mods

Mods are harmless at worst (unless its multiplayer cheating mods), and MUTUALLY BENEFITIAL at best.... Yet despite this, companies are stupid. "Don't be creative, just buy products and mindlessly consume. How dare you touch my IP!"

Fuck 'em! Most of these studios, who employ literal armies of lawyers, started out as modders in the '90s.

Beware, your mustache could get you a copyright strike from Nintendo

What annoys me more than the state of the gaming industry Are the consumers who buy the following psyops hook line and sinker and try to propagate the following nonsense to other people: -"free community Mods dont immortalize a game's lifespan or benefit its creators in any way" -"you need cosmetics or some form of p2w, lootbox, ads, dlc, or microtransaction for the game to make money" -"piracy is stealing and hurts the game" -"Buying extra stuff and preorders all support the devs and not the publisher" -"it has to have a progression or XP system to be a fun longterm experience" -"you shouldnt just 'have everything' out of the gate" -"you need centralized servers, because if a player were able to buy dedicated servers and host them it would have constant unplayable connection issues" -"stop complaining" -"paying a premium to play online is necessary" -"something requiring a link to your email, phone, and common password is necessary" -"its in alpha its supposed to be shitty - stop complaining" -"its in beta is supposed to be shitty - stop complaining" -"its only JUST came out - its supposed to need a week 1 patch - stop complaining" -"its only been out for 6 months - they are working on updates to fix all that stuff - stop complaining"

ah yes corporate copyright, with the rampant of AI, I am starting to be concern of the future of copyrights

In many cases, mods should fall under fair use for parody. I think a flying, fire breathing, Thomas the Tank Engine would fall under that. The problem modders face is that it is too expensive to fight the lawsuits.

Remember when Valve introduced the idea of paid mods on Steam Workshop like in 2015? Thank God they've quickly gave up on that idea, or else the Steam Workshop would feel like the new App Store.

Title: "Video Game Mods Are In Danger" Conclusion: "Modding Won't Be Going Anywhere" 🙄

Imagine getting mad at a train setting a house on fire in a non-profit mod

Mods are literally....ways to play a game you wish was in the game. Or wanted....if you own the game. You should be allowed to do WHATEVER you want to it. As long as its not a Multiplayer game. Unless its a private server with friends and setups for players to try if they want to. Edit: fuck copyright laws. If the game is like OVER 10years old. Who cares if theres a SpongeBob mod in a game. Or Mario in a JDM racing game. Its old. And no one is shaming anyones brand. Literally doesn't harm people if they don't play the mods or even when they see vidoes of it. Like who cares?

Jealousy. Its very common and pretty normal human vice.

It was litteraly a troll using a domain similar to Nintendo’s to make it seem like it was coming from Nintendo.

Minecraft is a VERY pro mods game, as I would bet you it would have died years ago if not for mods.

Valve encouraged it Counter Strike was a mod for Half Life until it became a standalone game same thing with Cry of Fear, Day of Defeat, Garry'mod, The Stanely Parable, Team Fortress Classic and more. It could be a potential for modders.

About the family friendly argument, if a kid is already old and smart enough to know how to install mods, you can be ABSOLUTELY SURE he is already seeing NSFW stuff elsewhere. What one person mods in their games DOES NOT appears in others' games.

DONT BUY 90% OF TRIPLE A!!

I am a living proof that mods increase market share - I have over 200 hours in Hearts of Iron and have never touched the base game. The sole reason I got this game is the Equestria at War mod, and in turn me playing the mod and talking about it made at least four of my friends buy HoI4 to play the mod in multiplayer. Also, no such thing as copyright. There is only copywrong. It's an archaic remnant of a bygone age, unfit for the modern day. It needs to be reworked from ground up, it's current essence shredded into oblivion.

Modding Community carried Bethesda on their back

I think video game mods will survive this problem in the future because some game developers will make video game mods be evolved and be different in the future of video games in their way so they don't have to worry about the problems you listed and I have optimistic that video game mods will be here for a long time and great video Going Indie :]

As someone who loves modding games like gmod(hell, still has the highest playtime on my steam account, because of mods), skyrim, kenshi etc, bloody hell do i hate modern gaming. Bamco going after modders of Tekken 8 that create visual mods because they added Tekken shop to the game(without so much as warning people before release about it and specifically waited a month so people can't refund which is infuriating to say the least) and it'll cut the revenue from it because of lackluster free customization is the most relevant example and is one of the things that's wrong with modern gaming industry.

Many people play some games because of the mods 🤣🤣

Terraria and Re-Logic are another great example of a game developer being open and communicative to the modding scene extremely well. Mod support for the game did start out as a community effort through Tmodloader, but Relogic would later begin to collaborate with the people behind TML to make it an official DLC for Steam, integrating its functionality into Steam Workshop, making it even easier to download and enjoy mods. On top of that, since Tmodloader runs off of a separate instance of the game, it's not negatively impacted by official game updates (when they inevitably happen anyway lol). They even work alongside modders themselves, giving them the resources and tools to begin the process of migrating their mods to the latest game version before releasing those builds to the public, meaning players don't have to wait for mods to be brought up to date. They're probably the best example you can find right now of a game developer interacting with their modding community in a positive way, apart from Valve and Epic anyway.

0:14 Todd's probably the biggest defender of mods in the AAA space. Sure, Bethesda can do better, especially when it comes to communication, but they've benefitted greatly from the mods made in their creation kits, and Todd knows this. To say "slowly creators of our favorite games have become hostile towards mods" and have Todd show up right after Rockstar (which is actually hostile) is VERY misleading.

A lot of the tension between a community and a company can be eased with small clarifications, eg “We do not support modding, so when a new patch comes out things may be broken. If you do make stuff for our game, please keep it SFW and don’t touch our multiplayer mode. Our anti cheat will kill you”

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Games N E E D mods. I use mods to add accessibility features that game devs don't add. I can't enjoy GTA V without adding a menu that allows me to skip levels that force me to shoot enemies from far away. I have a hard time enjoying Stardew valley without texture mods that makes the edges more visible. There are a lot more games that I don't know of yet that I could enjoy more with mods.

make the mods, don't tell anyone you're making them until they're done, don't put your name on them, release them into the wild, allow other modders to update them, join them in updating the mods posing as a random mod dev

Congratulations on getting to 100k subscribers Going Indie and let's gooooooooooooooooo :]

Banning mods is the equivalent of dodging the IRS, you're gonna lose at the end of the day and it will bite you in the ass...

Happy 100K subs!!

I hope Todd realizes that mods sell his games

I’m not even a gamer but the quality of your videos is impressive, entertaining, and easy to follow… just subbed!!

It sounds like the amount of mods allowed depends on the type of game and time. I can see fighting games limiting costume mods because the developers want to sell skins to players. That being said, it would be good to allow the mods after a certain period of time. I am thinking the best time would be when the developers announce they are no longer updating the game. This would allow the modders to go crazy and possibly draw in new people in. These new people buy the game and everyone wins.

Please no, modding games makes them so much more fun

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Greed will be the end of us. 🖤

Lethal company has crazy mods for a lil indie game

Mods are the reason why Team Fortress 2 exists, and that’s why I’ll always support mods.

On the Nintendo multiplayer mods: getting network management up like that needs you to crack their firmware which is a security risk.

Nintendo has always been openly hostile to mods. And a lot of japanese devs are somewhat also. Bethesda would never deny modding. It's what makes their games playable

Mods is insane important to the gaming industry i care say it is a piller that keep the industry going: alot of newer game dev. today started out as modder for a game becuase modding a game like a QoL mod, adding Goku to Smash & etc. is teaching how to do alot of the game dev. stuff in a alot easier entry barrier than open up a game engine a Smash like game pixelart styled called Rivals of Aether got Steam workshop: it got really boosted in playbase on that after it got launched mods dont hurt their brand infact its brings in new fans if it was not for the unwritting rule of thomas needs to be modded into a new game at this point people wont know about thomas in today´s age properly and that just 1 example of many

It always boils down to short sighted greed. This is usually what happens when studios grow into big bloated corps. They become inefficient and slow. They get stingy but they bleed from all sides. The employee pool grows so large that they can barely move in any direction. They begin leaning on the state to prop them up which affects all of us too. Same shit different industry but they usually end up collapsing in on their own weight. There will be a major downturn which will roll the Triple A market but it will be a renaissance for the independents.

5:30, but that's a non-issue for developers. They released the tool to modify the game, they didn't tell their fans to break copyright.

The key word is toy company: Nintendo does NOT treat games as games but more as TOYS so in a toy company, would u allow people to easily change the toy with no check of quality? No is probrably the answer right 'cause u wouldn't want anything like that

Here's the answer on how to save modes, abolish shareholding in general. The reason, is that they're the ones that're making companies money corrupt and terrible decisions like this. They give little to no effort of the effort of the product the company makes, care only about choices that would only give them a good profit instead of the consumers needs, and they're the biggest cause of causing companies to go bankruptcy for the copious amount of terrible choices they make companies make. Thumbs up if you all agree with me here.👍

By copywriting certain mods and games the company themselves bring bad brand recognition because of that. How much did Pokemon suffered or Palworld grow when Nintendo took down the pokemon mods.

me everytime i start a new rimworld run "this time i go vanilla!" ... 10 minutes later "atleast i should get some qol mods" 30 minutes and 600 mods later "well,next time vanilla"

i hate it when so many good mods get lost thanks to copyright

honestly i think what happened with nintendo and gmod is only an issue that can happen with platforms that have bulit in mod support. a lot of modding sites are based in countries that have way more relaxed ip law.

Thanks a lot ! This came just in timeeee I'm doing copyright issues on video games 🤣

Congrats on 100k

Mod support with clear guidelines is definitely the way to go, especially since creativity is becoming a greater motivation to play games.

If AAA game publishers were focused on making games that gamers want instead of playing the stock market to provide huge profits to profiteers who are not even gamers, the modding scene would be a lot smaller. So frankly? Fuck em.

3:44 100% untrue.

Mods increase the shelf life of games, making them live longer than it's normal lifespan as it lets you personalize your experience.

Yeah, I really don't get how it's so difficult for these gaming companies to figure this simple concept out. I mean, I was really really hoping that Lethal Company would get them to finally understand that mods are what sells it. And that you don't need to make the next biggest game to be successful, just a fun one.

I saw you at a talk at my school, and got jump scared by seeing the face of someone I met on KZfaq because I had forgot we met lol

''consume,consume,consume.'' 🙄

I think it should be illegal for these companies to go against their players

While I don't believe the corporations can do anything about individual modding for one's personal experience however, I anticipate that those corporations are training AI at this time to search through millions of videos to copyright strike them if any of that corporation's IP happens to be in them. The reason why modding has thrived thus far is because enforcing an anti-modding policy was a drain on manpower. Once manpower is no longer a problem then the corporations will have the power to pick and choose the who can and cannot make money creating content of or with their IP.

Screw companies. What I mod is my game that I paid for, and I do what I please.

3:25 but they can. In fact thats whats creation kit or even the new redkit for witcher 3 are. The dev tools can be released, its just most dont.

I remember over ten years ago someone from Arabian countries told me on skype how to install GTA 4 mods and it felt so magical to play with mods for the first time. Those were times

Modding is a great way to put our own challenge or story on an existing game. Or fan-translating! Depending on the nature of modding, it shows that the original game can be better or that thing can be fixed for a few hours. I got into modding because it is an activity idea, I share video and tools but the lack of resources for some lose me interest. For years of modding, I expected more. I am scared that if the dev focus on anti-modding tool, the game wouldn't be great.

There’s a mod for Watch Dogs that restores most things that were cut from the game and there’s a faction redux mod too that messes with the police in the game. Modding is good if done right or what is right in corporate eyes.

When Sega decides to not allow modes then it's over for the modes.

If modders would just make stuff that is original. Copypasting copyrighted IP to games is not very productive use of your time and you will get bashed by the IP holder if the stuff gets popular at all. All the actually important mods are original content. DayZ didn't have to go copy any IP. Original TeamFortress or Counter-Strike, no IP theft. Dota, no need to steal anything. Just make mods without abusing other people's IPs already. And yes, I understand why modders do such things - they are usually young and don't really see the problem especially as it *is* legal for their personal use and fun. Problems being when they start distributing it... and big companies have no option - they HAVE to protect their IP.

6:47 makes sense

I agree and I know these people are trying to get rid of mod because they’re hurting assets, but there could be good and bad mods just because it’s their IP creativity is not a crime. The only creativity it’s not a crime if you break the law as long as Valve and Mojang continue to support mods mods continue to do the right way.

More people should start calling it copyWRONG. Fight it at every opportunity. Never give in. Be the hydra.

If it's PvP or a mod would impact someone else's experience, then it shouldn't be modded. But for single player games, PvE, old games...mod mod mod mod!!!

At the start you mentioned that modders can't use the same tools as the Devs, to my knowledge Arma 4 is allowing modders to use the dev tools to make mods

watch out the nintendo people are gonna try to take this amazing video down 😥

I hope companies like Nintendo realize they merely seem like children when they attack modders over IP infringement as if it’s some incriminating hobby, I mean you cannot reason that they did this for reputatable or monetary reasons, they attacked the GMOD Steam workshop, that’s just abstract.

Can't wait for Monster Hunter Wilds, I will probably put many hundreds of hours into it. But the recent stand Capcom is taking against mods worries me. I don't want to cheat, I don't want nudity mods, but I love being able to install qol mods. The reason there was a "Make drops more visible" and a "show monster weaknesses on their icon instead of going through several menus to find them" mod was a huge factor for me buying Monster Hunter World and it's expansion again on steam after putting over 1.000 hours into it on console.

nice recomendation, just bought rounds

I mostly play single player games nowadays - got tired of PvP and multiplayer. So mods can easily freshen up a game for me, or even make me get a new game. (Came across a mod for Zelda totk the other day, made me want to get it and a switch.)

amazing video

I’m gonna mod even more

Mod always been cool addition for me My favorit mod is terraria calamity I doubt you can consider calamity as normal terraria It is feel like seperate game that why i love it

Now Manor Lords just came into my mnd.... While the solo dev work hard, he can't keep up with the inevitable mod releases, hindering his job to create a game that he envision. I mean, it's suck to see other tinkering with what you create with years of planning, worst is, to see the player demands that the mod become the core of the game. It's like cooking a dish, planned all the ingredient, but somebody ended up seasoning your own dish. It sucks both way. I guess both the dev and modders shouldn't restrict each other business, but for godsake, if the Dev update a game that makes mod don't work, don't blame the devs!

If modding have been banned or not dicovered in early 90s we wouldnt have counter strike or dota.

i think at the point that fortnite and league of legends literally exist cuz mods, the fact minecraft is even popular cuz mods, otherwise minecraft would be dead game years ago, tells us that mods ultimately make games and make people rich. to deny mods would be to deny a huge part of gaming history and what gaming is. mods are a foundational pillar of gaming. gaming would decline and probably die out without modding.

not to mention nexusmods, the defacto library for mods on PC is getting overly political destroying itself via removing mods/modders for seemingly no reason over created content that wouldve flown under the radar less than 5 years ago.

I love to see modders. Actually Delveopers and publishers could also benefit financially if they were smart and not greedy

Hold on most mods are free and custom made by communities for communities there is no revenue thus im pretty sure its not even legal to sue even licensed character and content and not even the game devs are legally accountable

This is a big one -> One of the tools are software devs have to prove work to get hired is by making mods. Games that got their start as a mod; Counter Strike and DOTA are two that I know. Bethesda might have been a failed studio without mods.

I created a Flash mod for the game just cause 2, it improves the game experience, we can have more fun, I believe I didn't do anything illegal, I hope haha.

They should add magikarp/gyarados and feebass/milotic to this game

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Awesome 'stache bro

mods saved me from quitting from gaming, i prefer games with mod support just because i get to reexpirience and relearn my fauvorite games

If they don't throw up strict limitations on "intellectual property" then the edges of which intellectual property is which becomes blurred 🙄 because it's all actually only ideas - they have to squelch things like modding and fan art to maintain the overarching illusion. it's stupid

Mods help the game and community grow but also help the modder learn more how games work. And come on, who doesn't think it's a little funny seeing Thomas The Tank Engine breathing fire in Skyrim.

Modding sites bending the knee is the biggest danger to mods. First they came for the rainbow flag removal mods..

wonder when P2P distributed mods are gonna be commonplace