Goldstein & Bent DEBATE If The Premier League Should Introduce A PLAY-OFF System! 👀🔥

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16 күн бұрын

Andy Goldstein and Darren Bent discuss if the Premier League should replicate the EFL's play-off system for European places.
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@frasersutherland6837
@frasersutherland6837 14 күн бұрын
Look at the Belgian league it's an absolute joke! You've got a team that, for example, is top of the league by ten points, not winning the title! Instead, the title goes to the team that finished way back in third because they won the little mini playoff at the end of the season! It's nonsense!
@paulmartin9194
@paulmartin9194 13 күн бұрын
Defeats the purpose of a league system. Am I correct when I say you can finish 6th in the championship and get promoted while the team who finished 3rd might not depending on playoff results
@patrickmorgan869
@patrickmorgan869 13 күн бұрын
We have this system in Australia too For all our sports It's an Aussie thing Top 8 1st vs 4th 2nd vs 3rd 5th vs 8th 6th vs 7th If you're in the top 4 and lose your game you verse one of the winners of the 5th/8th games If you won your top 4 game you go straight to the last 4
@Marais-cu3vo
@Marais-cu3vo 13 күн бұрын
Agree. We already have cup competitions. Leave the league as it is. People in management positions love changes to justify their existence.
@user-xh4bw2zc4g
@user-xh4bw2zc4g 13 күн бұрын
This is the absurdity of the championship quite frankly. 3rd place is basically irrelevant aslong as you aren't in 8th.
@villa_fan8882
@villa_fan8882 13 күн бұрын
@@user-xh4bw2zc4g And? You need to finish in the top 2 to get automatic promotion! It’s a simple as that! You could say the same about the Champions league in the prem! Finishing 2nd is the same as finishing 4th, they both didn’t win the league and they are both playing in the champions league! That’s how we do it and it works. What do you recommend they should do regarding the championship promotion?
@guneytopal1713
@guneytopal1713 14 күн бұрын
We already have a playoff. It is called the FA and League cups
@KINGKING10109
@KINGKING10109 14 күн бұрын
4:40 Goldstein is so thick 🤣 We literally already had that… 4th placed teams had to play UCL qualifiers & guess what…. They were DEAD BORING!
@SulH-cr7pc
@SulH-cr7pc 14 күн бұрын
Yeh but they taking about premier league play off u no that won’t be boring
@paulmartin9194
@paulmartin9194 13 күн бұрын
​@@SulH-cr7pcdefeats the whole concept of league football. Just keep it simple. Just another excuse to utilise Wembley
@LeoBov1
@LeoBov1 13 күн бұрын
@@SulH-cr7pccome on dude, the prem and football in general is just getting more and more washed. It’s all about money these days, no passion smh
@environm3ntalist549
@environm3ntalist549 13 күн бұрын
​@@SulH-cr7pcyou didn't watch the clip 😂
@Thoushaltplaymore
@Thoushaltplaymore 13 күн бұрын
Darren Bent single handedly saving talksport! Goldstein & Gabby are the biggest knackers! I can tolerate the rest and simon has his moments of brilliance too. Love Jim and Ally too tbf they love Newcastle!!
@karl343
@karl343 14 күн бұрын
Bentey with the genius idea, he defo stole that one from his mate down the pub.
@marc.the.red1987
@marc.the.red1987 14 күн бұрын
Listen andy trying to make a way for Manchester United to qualify for cl .
@johndaly2816
@johndaly2816 14 күн бұрын
They already have the FA cup and the League cup. Why do you want to add playoffs to the Premier league. The league should be about the most consistent in a year, not a lucky team winning a couple of matches.
@Yorkshiregod88
@Yorkshiregod88 13 күн бұрын
I went onto the comments to make sure i wasn't bugging out. 4th place used to have to qualify for the last slot of the champions league before. And yes it was s**t
@snookerstones
@snookerstones 14 күн бұрын
Absolutely not - would ruin the history of English football, stop trying to Americanise everything
@Upstairsforpete
@Upstairsforpete 14 күн бұрын
Too late we already have !!, I am against p/offs why do we need them . In the championship 46 games top 3 up thats it , why play 3 more, extra time , pens etc , its a war of attrition
@loganleroy8622
@loganleroy8622 13 күн бұрын
Why? the Americans know how to make sport entertaining.
@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986
@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 13 күн бұрын
Play offs are quite possibly the best thing in English football only a premier league fan who has no clue how much fun they are missing out on thinks this is bad.
@Upstairsforpete
@Upstairsforpete 13 күн бұрын
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 Purely by definition the games are exciting if you are a neutral maybe.The final is always awful, too much at stake . My team have just qualified for the championship play-offs ask me if I am excited/happy / not really top 3 should be up rest of us should be getting ready for our holidays ..
@hustler666100
@hustler666100 13 күн бұрын
@@loganleroy8622 baseball NFL basketball. incredibly boring sports lol.
@joshhenry2389
@joshhenry2389 14 күн бұрын
Klopp would have a heart attack if you introduced more games just for the sake of it
@tommay1959
@tommay1959 13 күн бұрын
Think all clubs would erupt. Unless of course you put 50 million in front of them
@shaunpierce4174
@shaunpierce4174 13 күн бұрын
Totally agree with Joel, you get what you deserve. Finish bottom? That's your fault.
@vengeanceseeker6450
@vengeanceseeker6450 13 күн бұрын
in australia we have a premiers cup for finishing top then a top 6 knock out comp for a final, where you win the A-League. It works for us because it creates revenue, gets more bums on seats. The premier league has plenty of money, theres absolutely no need for it. It would just mean more games, which clubs already complain theres too many.
@filosofastone1442
@filosofastone1442 11 күн бұрын
its not fair. the final table must be be the adjudicator
@Thoushaltplaymore
@Thoushaltplaymore 13 күн бұрын
Its the magic of the championship. Its how many teams came up to the prem like luton etc and im all for it .
@nickchivers9029
@nickchivers9029 13 күн бұрын
Yeah thats what we need more convoluted processes and unnecessary games.
@martynclay7748
@martynclay7748 13 күн бұрын
I'd rather see them punish a team with 115 charges that's about to win another title tbh. How they are allowed to continue competing while teams like forest and Everton were done. What a joke. Corruption.
@JerahmeelJames
@JerahmeelJames 14 күн бұрын
With this proposal of teams 4th-7th having a playoff for the Champions League spot, eventually, someone will make the argument/proposal that the top 4 teams have a playoff to determine who wins the Premier League.
@paulmartin9194
@paulmartin9194 13 күн бұрын
Absolutely. The whole concept of league football is to accumulate points over the teams in your league. Never agreed with them even in the lower leagues.
@patrickmorgan869
@patrickmorgan869 13 күн бұрын
A top 8 playoff system for the prem title will happen eventually Money talks and it's about what makes money For people who have been following the prem all their lives who care about the history, they'll hate it But the new age fans who don't understand the history will love it
@elliotthyde5623
@elliotthyde5623 13 күн бұрын
No they should not The league table does not lie. You finish where you finish due to points gained. What’s fairer than that.
@finnmoran
@finnmoran 11 күн бұрын
4th in the Prem already do have a play off against teams from other countries for the champions league…?
@strumbolli
@strumbolli 13 күн бұрын
It's a ridiculous idea. Don't even talk about it too loud as the powers that might see money in it. It would be totally unfair on the teams who avoided the bottom 3.
@TheTruth8767
@TheTruth8767 14 күн бұрын
I agree with that Liverpool caller
@denisako6493
@denisako6493 12 күн бұрын
There's no meritocracy in a play off systems
@ArchShrop
@ArchShrop 13 күн бұрын
Playoffs are great for that 3rd promotion spot but not for a title decider. If you finish outside the top 2 I think its fair game that you may lose out to a team that finished 6th.
@elliotthyde5623
@elliotthyde5623 13 күн бұрын
Sorry explain why play offs are great for third spot as opposed to the team that played all theirs games and officially finished third.
@ArchShrop
@ArchShrop 13 күн бұрын
@elliotthyde5623 Makes the league more interesting. More to play for and keeps teams further down the league involved. Let's be honest, finishing 3rd and not going up isn't the same as finishing top and not winning the league.
@elliotthyde5623
@elliotthyde5623 13 күн бұрын
@@ArchShrop no but if third place goes up then it’s only fair that the team that finishes third goes up. Doesn’t seem fair to me that the team that finishes third doesn’t go up but 5th place does. Just my opinion.
@ArchShrop
@ArchShrop 13 күн бұрын
@elliotthyde5623 I get what you're saying but everyone knows the rules before the season starts. I do think it makes the league more interesting though. I'm a Wolves fan so seen us finish 3rd and not go up but also finish 6th on the last day and beat 3rd placed Sheff Utd in the final. Most seasons the league would be over by April without the playoffs
@elliotthyde5623
@elliotthyde5623 13 күн бұрын
@@ArchShrop no absolutely. If the rules are already in place then what can you do. But I’m surprised they still are.
@leebryantravels
@leebryantravels 13 күн бұрын
Do what they do in the indian ipl cricket .
@LordSeth-hf8ew
@LordSeth-hf8ew 13 күн бұрын
so benty wants too add more games? hilarious
@LG26
@LG26 12 күн бұрын
Goldstein probably wants a play off for Champions league place between 4th and 7th
@user-zn4hs8ky5q
@user-zn4hs8ky5q 14 күн бұрын
UCL round sounds good but it can't fit in the schedule
@northy2614
@northy2614 13 күн бұрын
If they introduce play offs we will just get more managers complaining about "too many games", it just won't work.
@isaacabdillahi2560
@isaacabdillahi2560 13 күн бұрын
No lie but the system of derrent bent with some tweeks looks good and more money for fifa aswel bonus 4 everybody
@matthewdoyle3628
@matthewdoyle3628 13 күн бұрын
No. I dislike the playoffs they have for promotion in the football league, where say in the Championship the team that finishes 3rd out of a 46 game season wins 18 points more than the team that finishes 6th. But that 6th placed team wins the playoffs. So instead of the 3rd best team in the Championship being promoted on merit after finishing higher over 46 games, the 6th best team goes up.
@Carlos_Jr1984
@Carlos_Jr1984 13 күн бұрын
Good effort Benty but you should work on your French pronunciation on « un ». More nasally. It’s difficult I know 😂
@peptalk7658
@peptalk7658 13 күн бұрын
NO NO NO NEVER. As a North American, plz don't copy the money grubbung American model. The PL model is the best- every game counts.
@KINGKING10109
@KINGKING10109 14 күн бұрын
We already have a play off for the Big teams,.. It’s called the champions league!
@aconiteuniverse
@aconiteuniverse 14 күн бұрын
Cmon Norwich the play off specialists.
@tommay1959
@tommay1959 13 күн бұрын
What for. The bottom 4 or top 4. So winning the league in 38 games means nothing
@stevenknight1198
@stevenknight1198 14 күн бұрын
I don't like db's idea about 4th v 4th, I do like Andy's idea about 18th v 3rd
@Wickerrman
@Wickerrman 14 күн бұрын
Respectfully, no, bugger that, gifting the Prem clubs another chance to stay in the Prem with all the money? That would be a slap in the face of the Championship clubs. I also don't think it should happen between any of the lower leagues.
@stevenknight1198
@stevenknight1198 14 күн бұрын
@Wickerrman I agree actually prob not a great idea but then I don't like the current system either, as was said there is an 18 point difference between 6th and 3rd.
@marc.the.red1987
@marc.the.red1987 14 күн бұрын
​@@stevenknight1198 that don't matter though does its the point difference between 2nd and 3rd . We all know before a ball is kicked top two up playoffs for others . You deserve to go up by auto or playoffs .
@Wickerrman
@Wickerrman 14 күн бұрын
@@stevenknight1198 I speak as a Sheffield Wednesday fan, we had a record points tally without going up automatically, last season in League One. We finished 3rd, 19 points ahead of Peterborough in 6th...and yet, honestly I wouldn't change a thing. The playoffs gave us such insanely amazing moments, that I think it's worth it regardless. That said, I believe the top 2 should still always go up automatically, I think we have a good system atm.
@loganleroy8622
@loganleroy8622 13 күн бұрын
The correct idea would be to have 3rd v 18th and the 3rd team gets to play the match at home.
@danielmilbourne880
@danielmilbourne880 13 күн бұрын
More games...
@LeoBov1
@LeoBov1 13 күн бұрын
Football is so washed these days, it’s all about money. It’s like there is no passion anymore, back then players did it cuz they just loved the game
@loganleroy8622
@loganleroy8622 13 күн бұрын
Back then? What decade are you talking about the 1910s?
@LeoBov1
@LeoBov1 13 күн бұрын
@@loganleroy8622 nah even just 15-20 years ago.. Like 2000s onwards, there was passion and all.. These days it’s more about money
@alexbelotti1603
@alexbelotti1603 14 күн бұрын
Talking just for talking now lol . Dead topics if they aren’t trying to engage in trolling teams
@user-xh4bw2zc4g
@user-xh4bw2zc4g 13 күн бұрын
No just no! Stip trying to Americanise everything in England.
@user-cl5jg4md6x
@user-cl5jg4md6x 13 күн бұрын
The playoffs a bad idea for the premier league.
@peggi18
@peggi18 13 күн бұрын
Absolutely not
@TtableWhey
@TtableWhey 13 күн бұрын
The GREATEST thing about a League system is that Nobody can debate that The Best Team always wins the League. NFL Superbowl system is stupid. They should have a league just like the Premier League.
@loganleroy8622
@loganleroy8622 13 күн бұрын
Not really. the NFL system is designed the way it is because it’s impossible for all of those teams to play each other during a season. The sport is too physically demanding to play more than 20 games in a season. Consistency doesn’t really matter, the question Americans would rather answer is, when everything is on the line in a single moment, can you perform?
@TtableWhey
@TtableWhey 13 күн бұрын
@@loganleroy8622 Impossible? There doesn't need to be 32 teams in the top tier. The season doesn't need to be so short. I don't know where you got your consensus on the question Americans would rather answer. If consistency doesn't matter then just make every game a Knockout game.
@loganleroy8622
@loganleroy8622 13 күн бұрын
@@TtableWhey I should specify to say that consistency matters less, not that it doesn't matter at all. You get rewarded for your regular season performance by getting to play your single elimination games at home and getting a bye during the first round. Consistency gives you a better chance of winning it all. However, it means that, in theory, 43% of the league still has the chance to win a trophy going into the final 5 weeks of the season. That heightens the drama and keeps more fanbases engaged. Most teams in the EPL haven't had anything to care about for months now. Wolves, Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton all started the season with almost nothing to play for and are going to end yet another season in mid table position. There's really only four teams left with anything to play for and yet all these other teams have to go out and play meaningless games for their schedules to be complete.
@CalvinHobbs-eb6fj
@CalvinHobbs-eb6fj 13 күн бұрын
Noooooo! FOOLISH IDEA FROM FOOLISH PEOPLE! Especially for the EPL that is saturated with games and tourments non-stop. The Champions has a system that resembles a playoff system. Let it go.🤦
@jamjam2833
@jamjam2833 13 күн бұрын
Crying about too many games the other day!!
@jmy1974
@jmy1974 13 күн бұрын
For relegation, definitely
@_ezbilly
@_ezbilly 14 күн бұрын
Here's why it doesn't make any sense: the English FA run both the Premier League and the Championship. UEFA run Champions League. What's the point of having 4 teams fight for 4th position to qualify for a competition the English FA have no authority over?
@mnb9162
@mnb9162 14 күн бұрын
Better Prem engagement.... You engage a Top 7 race.... A Top 3 race.... And a Title Race....
@paulmartin9194
@paulmartin9194 13 күн бұрын
Is that not the case already
@samedwards1517
@samedwards1517 13 күн бұрын
Bottom 4 play a relegation playoff, only the winner of the final stays up. Other 3 get relegated
@filosofastone1442
@filosofastone1442 11 күн бұрын
The final table must be be the adjudicator
@backupdancer3720
@backupdancer3720 14 күн бұрын
The top three should go up automatically on sporting merit. Play-offs are simply more TV money and more ticket sales... Why? Because play-offs keep fans of the teams in 3rd-6th engaged in the season for even longer than fans of the team in 1st place... Either the league matters are it doesn't - English media often mocks American sports, and yet features similar money-centric customs that have nothing to do with sporting merit.
@mnb9162
@mnb9162 14 күн бұрын
They definitely should do a UCL 4th spot play offs.... You'd get a Top7 race... A Top3 race.... And a Title race..... That is huge engagement
@_SIRENITY_
@_SIRENITY_ 14 күн бұрын
Not a chance. If you can’t get 4th place over 38 games why should you be given another chance and put whoever is currently 4th season in jeopardy. The NBA have dine similar recently and it’s dogsh!te
@mnb9162
@mnb9162 14 күн бұрын
@@_SIRENITY_ Same reason they do play-offs in the Champ...... It engages more teams for the whole season....
@marc.the.red1987
@marc.the.red1987 14 күн бұрын
​@mnb9162 I've never heard the word engage mentioned in football
@_SIRENITY_
@_SIRENITY_ 14 күн бұрын
@@mnb9162 They do playoffs in the Champs League for a few reasons - a league format would be way too many games (which is why they wanted a breakaway league if they were to do so), and playoffs are playoffs, it’s a different format and is spread out. It’s not the same as a league in the long haul in how games are approached in a multitude of ways. The NBA with their usual playoffs (apart from their new trash ‘play-in) are played over a 7 game series not one offs because they know it would’n’t reflect the best teams if it was one and done. And look a their league before the playoffs, they half ass it all season which is why they needed to being the new ‘play-in’ format. We don’t need that, we have the threat of relegation, and multiple Euro tournament places, but the league is the heart and soul of English football, the bread and butter. There is no way that’ll happen in the Prem thats way too many games for football and corny as hell - the long run of the season as a league would completely lose its integrity of the point of finishing first. The run in at the end would also lose momentum at the top with teams knowing asking as they make top 4 they’re in the playoffs. Not a chance - leave our game alone
@mnb9162
@mnb9162 13 күн бұрын
@@marc.the.red1987 Viewers, interest, engagement.... All the same thing
@user-qy2yw5ed3d
@user-qy2yw5ed3d 14 күн бұрын
I`ll take the bait and react to this idiotic air-time filler of an idea "Lets play more matches"....... this right after discussions about players being tired because of playing too many games at inconvenient kick off times lets ruin the game more by introducing 9 substitutes All EUFA competitions being mini leagues which create useless dead fixtures in each group VAR blah blah blah
@corycenter7151
@corycenter7151 14 күн бұрын
I would love the Premier league to do this
@alexalexalex797
@alexalexalex797 14 күн бұрын
It would be entertaining as hell The top 6 teams go to a playoff tournament And we see who ends up champion
@Wickerrman
@Wickerrman 14 күн бұрын
No, that's turning it into an American sport, no thank you. Champions are champions cus of 38 or 46 (or however many lower league) games.
@alexalexalex797
@alexalexalex797 14 күн бұрын
@@Wickerrman we do it in my country’s league. (In europe) I get your point, but it also adds suspense and meaning towards the end of the season. You’re 7th you wanna play like mad, to reach the playoffs for example. And once in the play offs everyone there basically gets another chance for the title. Since it’s directly competing vs the top sides only.
@_SIRENITY_
@_SIRENITY_ 14 күн бұрын
@@alexalexalex797For the title wtf? They’re mainly talking about to win 4th spot not for 1st place! Not a chance! The LEAGUE is a different format to playoffs. Winning a league over a long season is THE defining thing that makes you winners. Playoffs are short term flips and anyone can turn someone over in one game so it doesn’t always reflect who is the 4th best that season in the long run, just that day. No thanks. It’s disingenuous of who deserves it.m and disrespectful. And for 1st place isn’t even worth talking about.
@marc.the.red1987
@marc.the.red1987 14 күн бұрын
​@alexalexalex797 which league does this ffs
@alexalexalex797
@alexalexalex797 14 күн бұрын
@@_SIRENITY_ booooo
Let's all try it too‼︎#magic#tenge
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