So glad this one was helpful my friend!👊

Appreciate it Robbie!

Thanks Leonard! Appreciate you watching!

I like that! Learning to curve left FIRST in my opinion the first thing all golfers should learn. Close the face to path then learn the path from inside part 2 then clean up the body pivot details as needed part 3 like this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/md99qZN0zbzTmmg.html

There are many swing thoughts. That's simply saying there's many ways to communicate the same thing. Simplifying them us key. Your comment is a good example as to explaining - cause and effect. Following a long layoff and a few shorter due to injuries, a few if Eric's drills had me rotating my hips more and that got most of my 'length' and hopefully your comment will have the ball headed in the intended direction.

Hope it helps! These should help as as well! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adaHabKQvq7IgH0.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLGkjcxjzqu3g3k.html

Yessir!! You may like these as well kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adaHabKQvq7IgH0.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLGkjcxjzqu3g3k.html

You got it, John! More on this you may like: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adaHabKQvq7IgH0.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLGkjcxjzqu3g3k.html

You got it, Anthony! Here is more on supination that may help! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adaHabKQvq7IgH0.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLGkjcxjzqu3g3k.html

He's the best!!

Thanks for the feedback Mike----just looking to keep things simple for the general viewer! Best.

Hope this one serves your game well my friend!

Same. This was a huge missing piece I discovered chipping the other day. I just softened my wrists and allowed the club to rotate a smidge on chips and all of a sudden contact crisp and spin had likely doubled. Grabbed a bucket, took this feel to my full swing and wow. Pured everything. The slight rotation back of the left arm helped my arms clear the body, then rotating them down at the same speed as my pivot was just so repeatable and natural. It finally clicked that the center of our swing is the center of the pelvis and everything rotates around that fixed point. Arms included. I too had forced the no toe up move. Awesome stuff Eric.

Our pleasure Dave!

:) Thanks Martin!

It DEPENDS mainly on where the club face is... If the club face is more square/sooner then you don't need AS MUCH arm rotation....but you still need SOME. In this video I go through the big 3 variables that control face angle and how to match them up should help clear it up....just different styles kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nKmHbLqQ0a21pIE.html&pp=ygUhRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIG1vc3QgaW1wb3J0YW50IHNraWxs

Thanks Calvin! Our pleasure!

I was shanking it like crazy!!

Lol we are keeping an eye on ya :) More on arm rotation here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adaHabKQvq7IgH0.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLGkjcxjzqu3g3k.html

👊 Our pleasure! Glad you enjoyed this one!

Love to hear that, Jeff! He's great!!

Appreciate the support!

:) Thanks Randy!

Agreed!

Love to hear this!

:) Nice!!

Thank you Steve!

Thanks Omar!

Thanks Tom!👊

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Thank you!

I like it!

Hope it helps, Steve!

Thank you!

Yep! Like this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLh_fqR9t5fcook.html

Thank you!

For sure!

Swing first

Hey Neil! In reality the shallowing would be happening from the very top to about left arm parallel (thats when some pronation would be OK with lead arm) from there you really kick in the supination part

👊 Thank you, Rod!

Lol for sure! Here is more on the supination that might help! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adaHabKQvq7IgH0.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLGkjcxjzqu3g3k.html

Thank you, Stuart! Appreciate you watching the channel!

Understood John---appreciate the feedback!

Absolutely Eric. I appreciate your accessibility on the platform. Please keep up your stellar work.. On the positive side, the divot board does what it advertises very well. Visually , I can see my consistency (or lack thereof) striking and compressing the ball. So overall, this was a positive purchase and the pad lasts thousands of swings. So the additional cost may only be $40/ year...not a terrible investment in my game in that light. I didn't mean to come off hyper critical. It was merely meant as an observation for the casual viewer.

All good!

For sure

Hey there! You can FEEL either arm my friend! They will both be rotating together no matter which one you decide to feel👊

Hope this one serves you well my friend!

Part of it

Hey Aaron! It should really PRONATE A BIT.....for the very first part of the downswing....then it supinates from there all the way through this is a nice overview of details: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o61lqdSW0rXeqZs.html

For me, when I'm thinking about supination of the lead arm, it happens independent of the wrist and hand. You can use the supination to keep the club face extremely square and stable, you just have to have very supple, relaxed wrists and be aware of where the face is actually square. You may also have to slightly adjust your grip so that when everything is in the right position mechanically with the body, the face is being delivered properly.

Hey! The real answer is reps. Feedback with ball and videos. Thousands of reps. I would say all swings have timing. Those with stronger rip/more closed face will need LESS arm rotation (the argument there would be less timing) but the point is they need A LOT still Weak grip/open face would need the most...I would not suggest that Depends some on grip/wrist angles kzfaq.info/get/bejne/abeBiNyD07i3eok.html

Hey! Sorry for any confusion----you HAVE TO have rotation (lead arm supination, trail arm pronation).....EVERY.....SINGLE....GOLFER....EVER....has and always will. The questions are HOW MUCH and WHEN? That depends a lot on the players body motions and grip Check out our latest one on this may help explain more especially the second half: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b6mVnLqnl9XUin0.html

Hey Ross! Yes, but there's also extension/flexion of the wrists throughout the entire swing. The flexion/extension has an effect on the club face angle alongside the forearm rotation. The longer your lead wrist stays flexed, the longer the club face stays closed to the shaft/path. In a normal downswing, gradually release wrist angles through impact. Fully released angles at ~45° past impact👍 More details on TIMING of lead wrist flexion to extension: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hN2qabyj15-3on0.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mNR-psWIzLvOdqs.html Hope this helps!

Hey Raymond! Thanks for the kind words and support! You will need to ask Mike that one. He is a great guy and I'm sure would be happy to help! All players supinate as measured in 3d....much more than AMS but slower....as we mentioned :)

Part of it...

Thats a good way to start yes...but the lead arm won't actually be external

Hey Tim Most of it is happening from p2-p4 (takeaway to top)....Its a combination of the pronation AND the internal rotation of the shoulder.....not a lot....but some. Most of it from takeaway to top

@@CogornoGolf thanks Eric. I thinks probably what I meant but you put it better. Combination of forearm pronation and internal shoulder rotation in the takeaway (a little). I seem to have been maxing out the pronation of the lead forearm in the takeaway which could be causing me issues later in the backswing I guess.

For sure stronger grip plays a role and can be an alternative to adding more supination! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/abeBiNyD07i3eok.html

Here are the details on that David: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q6dhh8KBmLjYnKs.html

Hey Ken! I can't say without seeing your swing on video....could be several things (supination being ONE part of it) Join www.cogornoolf.com and send in your videos so we can see and work together to find solution!

I would do this drill 20-30 reps as close to daily as you can for next 90 days kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7ajfK1lspjTg40.html Feel the supination most from hip high to hip high

@@CogornoGolf will report back at Christmas! Appreciate it.

Hope this one helps Tom!👊

Hey Michael! It does BOTH 1. Lead wrist flexion 2. Lead arm supination There is also 3. Ulnar deviation kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i5unkpqJ3Me6m6c.html

Thanks for the reply! The link you sent referred to wrist movement to impact but my question is the rotation post impact into the finish. The John D. release showed the R hand over or on top of the L at R arm parallel in the finish. The Steve Sierecki vid said there is no rollover post impact and R arm under the L. Was the follow through and finish the same for both?

Hey Michael! Of course there is SOME roll. Steve point just not to over due it. It really depends on the player and where they are coming from/need more of ALL player have supination....all of them. Cant not have it.

@@CogornoGolf Thanks!

Totally OK to feel trail arm as well/instead

For sure! We have lots on this here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gcmiY9SDqsy5qps.html

Hope you get it sorted and these videos help! If not consider www.cogornogolf.com you can send us in your swings there we can put a specific plan together to help fix!

Yep!

:)

Thanks, John!

Yes!

@@CogornoGolf Eric, I meant to ask...in the downswing you want your golf glove logo facing the camera as opposed to facing the ground? Thanks!

answered on other one for ya!

Hey Gary! If you don't struggle with right shots (as a righty) or lack of distance than this is of no concern! If you struggle with those you can look at more supination as a piece to help!

@@CogornoGolf thank you!!

@@CogornoGolf thank you!!

It may not be a CONSCIOUS move for some, but it's definitely happening to some degree in any good golf swing!

@@CogornoGolf That seems logical and Morikawa with that bowed wrist at the top doesn't require tons of face manipulation

The left arm adducts in the backswing (bicep closer to the chest) More adduction in early transition from top to about lead arm parallel From there through the arm is ABDUCTING (bicep away from pec) the whole way through Arm comes AWAY from pec

Some other you tubers may disagree with your analysis. Figure 7 pec grab ala Mike Austin with continuation well into the follow through combined with forearm supination and folding of the left arm 30 inches beyond impact. This works for me and many pros eg Freddy.. Several ways to skin the cat.

Thanks for your feedback....that not what I see from 3D measurements. I see what I stated.

Hey Simmo! Which one....not sure what you mean??

@@CogornoGolf “How the wrists really work”. Maybe you can also answer this I think its AMG that states not to move hands toward the ball in downswing. Mike Malaska, Pete Cowan, have a video having you throw a ball at the ball. Heres the question which of these do we idiots follow?

Every GEARS measurement I have seen shows a wildly open club face in the backswing (relative to starting position) How could you not open it?

@@CogornoGolf I guess we need to define "open" first. Let's invent a term.: Open to the shoulder line. In other words if the club sole is parallel to the torso and perpendicular to the shoulder line it's square. So one could be facing away from the target, and though the face is "open" to the target line it would be square to the shoulders in a parallel to the torso perp to shoulder position. So what is Gears measuring "open" from? Open to what? Now, what to do with the forearm rotation? Have you seen Dunaway via Austin do the swing motion with the model airplane in hands? This is a good visual to see what I'm getting at. It's what Morikawa does. The best iron player on earth. I've been trying to persuade that the forearm rotation dogma is taught wrongly reversed. The airplane demonstration is the best visual I know of. Ponder this.... Eric , from golf posture wind your arm up to throw a ball at the ball on the ground in playing position. Now tell me how your right forearm wound up? It wound up counterclockwise. Unless you are the worst thrower in the history of the world. Yet we are to believe the right forearm rotates clockwise in a golf swing? Is Dustin and Colin and Duvall , Trevino and.. . Doing that? Are they dead shut and wrist flexed at the top because they rotated clockwise? No. And another absurdity about it... So we're supposed to be heel leading toe at 9:00 takeaway, which is definitely not rotated clockwise in the forearms at that point, and then we:re supposed to sling the face open with forearm clockwise rotation in a millisecond to the top and then rotate them back to square in the next millisecond to impact? Really? And we wonder why a player shoots 65 one day and 24 hours later he shoots 75? It's utterly impossible to master. IMO its a throwback to hickory shafts. But that's another story...There is a better way. See, heres the problem, with the forearms rotating closed and the pivot closing the face relative to target line on tbe downswing they compound each other in effect Imagine a world where the face was working closed to open through impact relative to the shoulders and the pivot was closing the face relative to target line? Do you see how errors are halved in severity then? Why is the left left miss the bane of good golfers? Why is the left left miss never seen in the great strikers? Because they figured it out .

@@555Trout "I guess we need to define "open" first. Let's invent a term. Open to the shoulder line." "Square, open, or shut to path" is all that's needed. When you speak of square to shoulder line, spine, or target line etc, people's eyes glaze over (mine too lol). I prefer square to path; very simple, accurate, and powerful, and it is controlled by the humeri, not the forearms.

@@whetedge I wouldn't disagree.

@@whetedge And it's rare to see someone know it's the humeri and not the damn forearms. There's hope!

I can't speak for the instructors, but my interpretation is that it doesn't matter who you are (pro/am), there will *always* be forearm rotation away from the ball on the backswing. With a proper grip and wrist conditions at the top, the face of the club should still be fairly closed. That said, even with a shut clubface at the top, you're still going to need to rotate that lead forearm back toward the ball in order to square the clubface. How much you have to rotate is dependant on your particular grip and wrist conditions at the top.

Hey P T We didn't talk for one second about the backswing here? So not sure on what one but we are talking downswing lead arm supination. Which as mentioned the pros do about twice as much and much slower as measured. Best

Wish anything were that easy :) Need to see your swing on video. Some people----yess no thought will lead to perfect motion. Others no thought will lead to terrible moves and you need to ACTIVELY think to fix it.

Thanks for the feedback, Brian!