Yeah, did they hold strictly to just original music type goths, no. But they did an AMAZING job covering like every way someone enters the subculture, from visual and film to literary to music and even the mood adjacent musical variants, I honestly have never seen a better mrs mojo list

I was thinking that too.

he should've been on it but so should've alice

Heck, the Muppets' caricature of him, Vincent Twice Vincent Twice & The Count (Ah, Hah, Ha!) should probably have been in there, if there'd been room. I know the Count was one! One big influence! (Ah, Hah, Ha!) and then Vincent Twice Vincent Twice makes Two! Two big influences (Ah, Hah, Ha!) on goth. ;-D

Lani Kelly she's changed her lifestyle

Very much agreed Anne Rice should have been on there and regardless that's she's changed her lifestyle doesn't mean she wasn't an influential person in the Goth/Vampire community and she definitely was. I know she's still very much in that community because she throws a Vampire Ball every year in New Orleans. This year being her last Because of her health.

true, the only things that kinda sucked was when she brought out her christian books. They weren't very good.

Anne Rice should indeed be on the list. So should Horace Walpole, Lord Byron, Mary Shelley, Marie Corelli, Matthew Lewis, John William Polidori for their amazing works of gothic literature.

@@katcoffman3293I think she made up for her later Christian stuff by the contrast of how extreme her earlier "sleeping beauty " series is ( written under pen name)

I love your channel you always cheer me up

Kind of reactionary lately? Just kidding.

:)

Hello Black Friday I love your channel as I've subscribed.. It's humorous, love the music thanks for posting the music as it adds to my music some are new to me.. Keep on being you.. Your awesome

you are so gorgeous also you are my favorite youtuber love you

I agree 100%. Her music is goth, it's just not traditional goth. It's much like bands such as Within Temptation, Nightwish, Sirenia, Delain, ect.

I was going to mention Within Temptation, it seems they go hand and hand with Evanescence.

Thank you! My thoughts exactly. No she isn't traditional goth but for anyone growing up in the late 90's and early 2000's she definitely is an icon.

Amy Lee said in a interview that she is not goth and never was she also kind of made fun of goths in a way.

+Kai_Decadence yeah i think you're right she also said in another interview what's with the black I'm not goth see I'm happy those were her exact words.

Agree.

Nikola Wright yeah, I mean they're saying her characters are influencial, Soo Tim Burton?

Yes agreed! Her and Johnny Depp. Should of been on that list.

Agree completely.

Where Is Andrew Eldritch from The Sisters of The Mercy And Lux Interior ? 😁

Satirical Vivi + they don't goth at all

Satirical Vivi I feel you

That and my parents wouldn’t let me

Much of my makeup is from elf or Wet N Wild. It's cheap as heck. So there's your makeup. I have gotten some awesome goth stuff from the thrift shop. Spend some time looking at goth youtube videos for ideas. I HIGHLY recommend Angela Benedict. She does cheap 90's goth outfits. You don't need to spend a ton to present goth. Seriously, some cheap drug store makeup and thrift shop clothes can do it.

Be like YouYouYou and video yourself rocking out to Goth music in your car. Don't need clothes or fashion sense, you just need the music!

I ADORE HER! SHE IS MY GODDESS!

Me too!

same here

agree!

YES ME TOO

they didnt even mention a single one.. this list lacks so much. wot abot Dave Vanian and Patricia Morrison. :(

Brandon Lee being in The Crow would not make him goth, what else besides The Crow makes Brandon Lee goth?

Carl Mccoy... i still have a crush on him.

@@ravenshadowz2343 Elvira was on there....

@@ravenshadowz2343 he still deserves the spot more than that pig manson

Mollyishere I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY MOZZ he’s my sad icon

Yes!!!

Yass

Silver Legion I don't know if he's goth, but he is far right. I'm fairly certain he is a Nazi.

@Silver Legion I have not researched it myself. I don't think many people are aware, thus him not being an outcast. Just look up "Morissey nazi" and some things should pop up. I think he has worn like, a swastika either on a t-shirt or as an arm band a few years back, but I have a pretty bad memory (adhd) so research it yourself. I know for fact he is a "far-righter" (which isn't necessarily a Nazi) though.

I hope you wrote this comment on friday

AMY LEE IS GODDESS!!!

+xShameful Metaphors YEEES

+becca kornaski YES SHE IS

Shes lovely but I wouldn't call her a goth icon.

omg yes i love her music !! i sing them all the time !!

100% agree with ya!

Yep! For me as a 90's kid, Amy Lee and Evanescence was more directly involved in my becoming goth than Siouxsie or The Cure (though obviously they deserve credit as the founders of goth!). I wouldn't have put Amy in the top 10, but a brief mention was warranted. Hell, the new female vocalist for Cradle of Filth credits Amy Lee as a big influence on her coming to gothic metal, and we're the same age and from the same area of Ontario, so Evanescence was definitely a major part of goth in early 2000s Canada.

I'm a tad bit younger but I always heard evanescence on the radio as a kid and got so into it and I loved her a lot. I'm just barely a 90's baby at 97 but I was raised on older rock and roll, punk, some metal, and I had a little of my own taste in music develop after so I was highly attracted to darker and more different music like evanescence, t.A.T.u., Emily Autumn, just things a lot of people around me weren't interested in.

+Bec t.A.T.u and Evanescence are awesome. I will never stop listening to their songs. XD You're a couple of years younger than me. Nice to see some fellow mid/late 90's babies here like me. :D Agreed, I remember not many people liking Evanescence, t.A.T.u, Foo Fighters and some other artists and bands I listened/still listen to. People always talked about Britney Spears or something instead. lol I mean, Britney Spears had a catchy song here and there, but I wasn't a huge fan. xD

Evanescence isn't goth though...

bee pot same

Bee pot your I love the cure is right next to I love Tim Burton and though yours has a great many likes it's depressing that the Burton one has so many more. More...than..the Cure..it just doesnt seem possible, this is going to bug all night.

Just had them playing on my computer today...all day.

Macht Nichts Sei Mann love ur pfp 😌😌

It"s my favorite band😊✌

+Aneira Silvermoon he shoulda been at least #2 is what I'm saying.

*reigning

He was though..

He wasn't part of the countdown, but they did have him in the beginning, sort of like an honorable mention, I suppose?

+Hadden Cat he's better than an honorable mention.

Amen

Agree...

Yeah she was so ahead of her time

Ava Grace Same :P

Sameeee

Doesn’t everyone ❤️

NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHIRSTMAS IS MY LIFE

She is super nice to her fans. ^_^

They said they were going to only put real people on there, and then they put Elvira in the list. Weird.

+hissyfit4711 I think because she became her character. She was famous because of who she became. She wasn't playing a role written for her. Her and her character where basically one and the same.

+hissyfit4711 I think it's because Cassandra and Elvira pretty much became one and the same. There has been a few Morticia Addams but there will only ever be one Elvira.

***** yes, i agree. and i guess sometimes there isn't a strict rule and some parts of the art/music might have an overlapping character and it depends on the viewer and which parts of a musician's way you look at. ps: so jealous that you met him :)

***** somehow i knew before that you have an affinity to misfits ;) great to hear that the vips you met still seem to know who made them great and spend time on talking to fans and giving autographs.

***** yes, i am german, but the name is just a nickname which i use for games. i gave my first titan quest character this name. sometimes i think that many "extreme" characters in the music business are very intelligent and therefore they are able to see certain things from a different perspective and put them into words. maybe that's because the pop(ular) music is way to boring and nearly every song follows the same structure and patterns. to me popmusic is like a plain piece of plastic and the metal/wave/goth/punk etc. is more like a wooden furniture with character. you don't forget about the songs and bands in years even decades.

***** thank you! some people react like it's weired to speak in pictures, so to say. so nashville, the city of music?! any suggestions for music? i always look for inspirations because there are so many artists out there who are totally worth to know. (of course i know the misfits, the exploited, ramones but apart from them there must be so many bands who make great music.)

Personally, having a memory that extends from before Manson was famous, yes. Your mom is correct!

The list was real people only.

Emmalee would have love Yvonne to be on there

They said in the beginning that goth characters is for another list.

Real people list not characters

Samantha Eastwood Bella Lugosi though? He was an actor portraying Dracula ie character.

peter steel's will always live on in my heart. Stay negative

Stay negative? I'm confuse I though you like him

+Exo- Geno haha we love him. It's a band name pun😝

Ooh, definitely. I didn't think of him right away, but you're right!

+Tessa “Ye Whyze Owle” I know they aren't typically recognized as a goth band buuuut I've always considered them to be. They just have that general sound but they're unique at the same time lol

Oh my gosh! I thought that too! Y'know because he did that song with Avril Lavigne which was about Harley Quinn or something and I was like "He would make a great Joker tbh." ^^

that definitely would have been a wet dream hahahaha although who they picked looks pretty perfect for it on his own

Yeah, that is true. ^^

Agreed. He's an excellent actor, too.

I just saw Marilyn Manson in concert last night with Slipknot, and Of Mice &Men. And he was awesome

Also, Elvira is just a character. I sooner would have chosen Morticia Addams...

Black Kats and Baby Bats morticia Addams is a character!

I meant Elvira is just a character to me, whereas Morticia is an icon to me. Morticia seems more real life and Elvira seems over the top, more like a mockery. I should have been a little more clear.

At least they were shown price multiple times!

No Addams family, no Vincent Price! But other than that it was a pretty good list

Bahahaha

I saw them June 23 at the PNC Music Stadium in Charlotte, North Carolina and they were unbelievably good. Better than their recordings, if that is possible. Awesome first concert for me.

+Susanna Powers I WAS SO CLOSE TO GOING TO SEE THEM IN CHARLOTTE OMG them being in North Carolina, let alone only an hour away from me, made me want to die ;^; I'm glad you got to see them, though, because that's amazing ♡

I saw then at deer lake park earlier this year and I didn't know I was going till the day of, my mum if great 😂

saw them a couple weeks ago it made my life

My cousin interviewed Robert Smith for a magazine I was SO JEALOUS!!!

+Kai_Decadence Could it be that you're referring to Burton's former partner Helena Bonham Carter?

+Kai_Decadence I think you are thinking of Helena Bonham Carter?

I love older Burton but the new stuff is just not doing it for me AT ALL. Beetlejuice, Sleepy Hollow, Ed Wood, Edward Scissorhands --- all fantastic! Also, I LURVE Marilyn Manson. Post punk has my heart but Manson is great!

I love MM I grew up listening to antichrist superstar all trough high school and even know. I like his new stuff and I'm excited to see him on August 14th 🤘🏻

Marilyn Manson is one of my favorite bands. Also I love Marilyn's character

I'd say Trent Renzor is more goth and more goth-influential than Marilyn Manson.

Yup, Trent Reznors music got me into Alternative music styles so he was definitely my gateway drug 😂

Freya Scott I know right, I'm into Manson (as you can tell y my shirt in my profile pic :P) but he doesn't really make goth music.

Bizarre Is The New Black. Yeah but lots of goths listen to him

Trent isn't goth either.

plus, even though his music was more industrial he did enjoy goth bands (and a bit of fashion in the Broken era) taking lot's of influence from them. Part of the reason he was chosen to induct The Cure in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Both are industrial artists, not really goth.

I agree with every point. My exact same opinion.

+Tan +Tan Their material isn't classically gothic. Crowley magic practice is satanic and is a-typical bad press for goths. Amy Lee's music is not classically gothic. It's in a nu-goth sort of music area at best. Alice Cooper does not have classically gothic music. Marilyn Mason's music is not classically gothic. His shock rocker and somewhat juvenile form of music got me as a child in to shock rock, etc. He's a nu-goth icon at best. So yea. Goths can be in to it, it's fine, everyone is allowed to like who they like. Classic goths however would not be automatically say like, "oh yea Alice Cooper. He's a goth icon." He doesn't make gothic music as his main genre. Icons are usually at the top, the beginning, purely gothic. Classic.

+Kai_Decadence Yeah Manson was signed to his label.But what about his later albums,only Antichrist Superstar and some tracks of Portrait of American family had industrial metal sound.Eat me drink me was a gothic rock album and Pale Emperor was gothic metal with blues influence.And he had a gothic look too.

+Kai_Decadence Yeah you are right I do think Pale Emperor doesn't have thath much of goth sound but on his official site they stated he was going for some kind of "gothic" sound.

+enigmatik I agree with most your assessment of who was "cringe-worthy" for being on this list, and for those that I agree with, the why's. I disagree with your assessment of Aliester Crowley completely. I DO think he belongs on the list. Also, (and this is @ RaelleMejias also) he was NOT a Satanist. That was Anton LeVey who wrote the Satanist Bible. If you even listened to the video, the say Crowley was a magician and a mystic and that he founded the religion "Thelema" which is nothing like Satanism at all. Satanists are in fact atheists, while Thelema is a religion based upon the philosophical Law of the same name, which states: The law of Thelema is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will." He was called a devil worshiper in his time, likely due to the fact that pretty much anything that was an alternative religion was called "devil worship" by mainstream "Christians," and the "title" has stuck. I apologize if this comes across as a bit of a rant, but as an eclectic Pagan, I get really irate when things get labeled as Satanist when (1) the person doing the labeling clearly has no clue what Satanism is even about, and confuses it with supposed "devil worship" and (2) what they are labeling as Satanist isn't even close to Satanism.

hm...

lol

Lolololol

Oh my lord.

Lmao

He was an honorable mention tho

not me

talktal so you don't like "the beautiful people" or "Sweet dreams" or any other he has done before? Even though he isn't the original singer for "sweet dreams".

Lily Flavin no. was always just too hot topic for my taste.

penelope hamnett True

deep six!

Speak for yourself ^___^ ♥︎ much love back! xox

Mr. Vader you're a casual goth

I feel that

Slytherin #Slytherinforlife same PS: your username is 🖤🖤🖤

Then do it. It's as simple as that.

I think that's true for all slytherins even those who are goth want to be more goth

Good point, I guess there are a lot of iconic artists who could be in a list like this, but they might be slightly too obscure to register in the mainstream media probably.

Indeed !

Nope...I'm a few seconds more...I feel dumb

WAIT HE"S ON THERE YAY I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!

they had tim burton im so happy!!

Ciel Phantomhive CIEL! I love Black Butler.

Emily B i was wondering the same!!! :(

Caves influence ran far and wide,not only music and fashion(though an icon of both)with his arts poetry films novels etc. He was there, from the very beginning with"The birthday party" esp."bats", and came to be a founder of the genre, deserving of at least fifth place!

I can’t like this comment enough, spot on!

. . .and Blixa

^^^This^^^although, I like all those mentioned...

***** The aesthetic is musically expressed through poetic and often bizarrely romantic lyrics, accompanied by baritone vocals (often with reverb affect) and prominently somber instrumentals. It is never required to involve or show disturbing imagery for petty attention to better get them into the mainstream. If you honestly believe you know a thing about goth music just because you decided to show a complete stranger (that's myself, in case you managed to miss it) gratuitous rudeness, you're nothing but a mere snob, and possess no place in this thread, since you wish to spread nothing but cancerous negativity left and right.

***** I possess one, already. As well as the gall to show my face, on the internet....

I swear I see you on almost every Goth youtubers channel :D

I love Depeche mode so much

Oh and I was really irked when they mentioned Amy Lee as an honorable mention. They were waaaaay off the mark with that one.

YOU MEAN NIGHT PAIN

I'M SORRY! Didn't mean to insult the original goth. NIGHT PAIN!

haha

Oh shit, the episodes with the Goth kids are probably my favorites. Especially the Goth vs Vampires one...per se.

+PeanutButterZombie00 "OMG NO WAYYYY" lmao ...love me some goth kids lol

Same, she's always had this dark tone to her music, and her dark victorian style always appealed to me...

Saeber the Pride Queen They came out in 1998...Fallen came out in like 2003

Valentine Mistress But Fallen is what got them know. That's when I found out about them too. It's still my #1 favorite album of all time. Origin is pretty awesome too 💙

*****​ Sorry, but no they aren't. Evanescence is my favorite band and I love them to death. They're rock, not Goth. Check out bands like Bauhaus or Souxie and the Banshees or The Cure from the early years- they're Goth bands.

Yeah on several occasions Amy Lee has rejected the Gothic title for herself and the band. Evanescence is just a rock band. you can see by their latest album (self titled). Still has dark themes but it absolutely doesn't mean it's gothic. BUT she still did inspire a lot of younger people into becoming goth or at least alternative :)

Then again I might be a bit biased because I love classic goth and post punk :)

yeah i agree she is not emo she takes darkness and brings beauty she is almost like Marilyn's little sister to me in the music world with her angelic but soul touching voice

Emo was in full force since the 90's. I do think that she has some goth cred, but her musical style is more Alternative, pop, metal, and rock with a goth aesthetic.

She fits as a route some people take to enter goth, the list really covered all the possible paths in for goth, from the film/visual to literary to adjacent music and even got some of the heaviest hitters of the mainstream goth culture, fuck they even covered goths who got here through witchcraft. I definitely feel like this was a project of secret passion over at mrs mojo. I hone6have not seen a better list before or since from them

Sobia Saleem Yeah, but Reznor's style and aesthetic was much more industrial and alternative rather than goth. If anything, Nivek Ogre of Skinny Puppy should've been an honorable mention over Trent. Trent might've helped Manson get big, but Manson owes a colossal stylistic debt to Skinny Puppy

It was opening for N.I.N. on tour that brought them almost instant fame. Without this recognition,M.M.surely would have faded in obscurity, leaving nary a demo tape as proof the band existed at all!

Agreed! I would have rather seen Pugsly Addams in his place! LOL!

I expected Ann Rice to be on this list. 😂

I disagree. His shock rock inspired stage theatrics is dark and gothic.

SO TRUE!!!

Cooper is the pioneer IMHO. Back to the 60s.

ME TOO!💜

Icon???? jaja icon is Patricia Morrison forever nooott Amy Lee......Amy is alternative noot goth not goth

+Corv Blackstairs usa el tuyo y no jodas .....si no sabes de gótico no hables

True! I love her so much

Amy Lee was one of icons when i was kid even though i was never goth, by the way can you please explain me what's with the capital letter on profile icons, i have been seen this all over the KZfaq coment section, i'm extremely curious....

hello!! i love your channel!!! didnt expect that you'd comment here ^^

+Anastasia Karali I'm everywhere mwahahahaaaaa 😜

EMILYYY🙈

+M Løuise Awhhhh thanx 😍

Yeah but not goth

Well, he did. He was number 1.

lol same here

'Sioux' comes from the Native American tribe of the same name and is pronounced 'Sue', its just a clever play on words 😀

that's amazing! thanks for the information 😁 i love her even more now

I don't disagree with her being an icon btw just they said no characters just actual people right at the beginning lol

I don't think they classify her as a character per say mainly because she came up with the personality and look just like most of the musicians like Alice Cooper and Manson had. So while it is not her daily, it is the personality that is undeniably her, and why it is so difficult the find a replacement for her to retire. Manson and Cooper both started out mild mannered and faded, and submerged into their personality creations and ended up living them more full time is the only difference. Cooper announcing his drug and alcohol binge addictions fueling it to the point of near death before he realized he had to separate the two, one for life and one for stage. So again going back to the no characters that can be used and left like lydia or\ and reused to fit scenes with completely new people like say batman with a dozen different actors but still all recognized as THE batman. So they are character icons wording seperations being the issue of definement. Actually be upset if she wasn't on the list to be honest, multiple films, movie shows, comic book series, reality show, figurines, fan clubs, costume features, make up features, etc. She is a real person, just with the Elvira split personality. lol

Elvira's not really a character so much as Cassandra's alter ego.

Unless I'm also wrong, it's spelled Morticia.

They just did real people, instead of fictional characters, otherwise I'm sure either of them would have been included!

I think they said only real people in the original video.

Their not on the list because if you paid attention to the video they said only real life people are on the list and Wednesday Adams and Morticia are not Real life people but characters in t.v. shows and movies.

Elvira is not a real person either though...

you're**

Yos they were doing real people, not characters.

They’d be on a Fictional character list.

He'ouldve played the role too well

+person 1 I think it would've been perfect and it would've been even better not that I wasn't impressed with Jared's but Marilyn's would've been so cool

how about everyone plays the joker at some point? the role seems to take on a life of its own in every person who takes on the role.

+Nope Nope true