GOTHIC Iceberg #2

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Vertigo

Vertigo

2 ай бұрын

Next stop: The citadel. Today we will have some more interesting stuff to talk about. Sit back, relax and enjoy the show.
Once more I want to thank all the guys of gothicarchive.org, Delvin, Saradoc and my mom for cooking some nice soup today, without her, the Upload would have been delayed by two solid hours.
Original Thread on Reddit:
/ the_gothic_iceberg

Пікірлер: 87
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
So it seems I wasn't thorough enough with a few entries. I make sure to include them in part 3!
@crygreg8484
@crygreg8484 2 ай бұрын
Very nice work. Just one note on the hero's crime: They also had some cut dialogue where you could talk to Diego and tell him what crime you committed. I don't have it clear in my mind but it's in the Definitive Edition, I think it went like this: 1. Armed Robbery (grants you +3 Dexterity) 2. Fight with a king's guard - hero tells Diego he was "challenged" and he never could pass up on a challenge but unfortunately the king has "many guards" (grants you +3 strength) 3. Wrong words to the wrong man - I think the idea was that the hero criticized the king's politics in a tavern and got arrested because of it (+3 Mana) 4. Innocent (+1 to all attributes). Also, about Abuyin's message: I think PB had long planned for Rhobar to lose the war - mostly. Also "returning" is refering to Myrtana, it sort of hints at the fact that the hero probably originates from there or that he was there at some point. Even the credits theme with the ship sailing into the sunset is called "Returning Home". I wouldn't necessarily call it a retcon, "evil" still won - maybe it was what Abuyin perceived as "evil", just like many others, which is the orcs and the hashishins.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Oh yeah it was in the definitive edition maybe even in "Welt der Verurteilten". I thought about including this but I couldn't find information on it being cut content.
@crygreg8484
@crygreg8484 2 ай бұрын
@@vertigo7082 I'll see if I can dig it up in the scripts, could also be that it was dug up from a previous pre-release version of Gothic. Also, Dexter has more dialogue without NOTR than that (telling you that he was hired by a seeker basically). I think you gain that if you gain actual access with the bridge guard.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
@@crygreg8484 Oh boy for real? Gonna check that out!
@crygreg8484
@crygreg8484 2 ай бұрын
@@vertigo7082 Yep. One of those things I actually miss from Classic. Whole exchange makes the twist in chapter 3 a lot cooler.
@combatspecialist
@combatspecialist 2 ай бұрын
5:04 the entry might've referred to the hidden note left by Saturas in the old new camp that teases NoTR.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Ahh man you might be right. I didn't think of it as "hidden enough" for this iceberg...Maybe I am going to mention that in the next part. Thanks for the information!
@YoungArty
@YoungArty 2 ай бұрын
The Dragon Lords reference got me laughing haha! Nice video as usual, looking forward to the next layers!
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
A small german tradition! Culture must be respected!
@YoungArty
@YoungArty 2 ай бұрын
@@vertigo7082i had a feeling you are german, but you simply have no german accent, so that confused me :D
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
@@YoungArty Ahh you can hear it when you pay attention!
@manfredgeorgburggraf533
@manfredgeorgburggraf533 2 ай бұрын
Meddl loide.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
@@manfredgeorgburggraf533 Metall, Genossen!
@unimportantcommenter4356
@unimportantcommenter4356 2 ай бұрын
The Nameless Hero's crime could also refer to an earlier draft of the game, where Diego would ask the player about the crime he commited. Then the choice would influence the starting stat of the player. Here are the 4 options and their effects: - Plead Innocent (+3 Str, +3 Dex, +3 or so mana) - Brawl with the royal guard (+5str) - Spewing anti-king rhetoric on the public square (+5 Mana) - Theft (+5 Dex) Also, the Car in Jarkendar was a leftover from Pyranha Byte's scrapped Sci-Fi first person shooter, left in the game either out of negligence, a reference or an easter egg. In fact, that Valley was used as a tesbed for said game, hence it's linear nature.
@robinv.3632
@robinv.3632 2 ай бұрын
About the elements of the dragons: If you want to project the classical 4 elements onto the dragons it makes more sense to give the air element to the ice dragon (cold wind) and let the swamp dragon be the water dragon. I could also imagine that the devs wanted to make up their own elements since the classical 4 elements are overdone. Since we see 2 fire dragons and a bunch of dragon eggs there might also be different breeds of dragons and the swamp dragon could simply be a crossbreed of an earth and a water dragon. And I don´t think Abuyins vision get retconned. Rhobar lost the war against the orcs. Every city in myrtana is controlled by the orcs and everyone loyal to the king is in hiding. The war is basically over and only the nameless hero can make a change since he hasn´t found peace.
@Albertgraure
@Albertgraure 2 ай бұрын
I remember in Dexter;s dialogue without NotR, that he gives you a chance to run, and he was paid by the seekers to hunt the hero.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
True I completely forgot about this. I will make sure it's in the next video. Thanks mate!
@coccoavena
@coccoavena Ай бұрын
He gives you a chance only if you know his name from the bandit near Brago's cave (corrupting him with some gold). If you don't know Dexter name, the guard on the bridge at entrance bandit camp will attack you, and if you try to talk with dexter without knowing his name from bandit near brago's cave, he'll says the dialogue vertigo show in this video. By a completely obsessed with gothic saga
@wiktorb6846
@wiktorb6846 2 ай бұрын
I never clicketh on an internet video so swiftly!
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Did you drink a speed potion?
@d9lv1n
@d9lv1n 2 ай бұрын
Xardas's tower was never an issue in G1, in fact it was supposed to be initially located on the hill similarly to the fort ruins (Ur-Shak), so there weren't intentions to hide it, but it would make sense to hide the tower in G2, because Xardas didn't want the mages to know where he is. So it would make sense to put him in some cool cave instead, or even his tower could be located in some cave or something like this, which would make it even more atmospheric and logical.
@retryhikaru184
@retryhikaru184 6 күн бұрын
3:40 makes sense more according to the Chinese pentagram of 5 elements 6:20 I really wanna commend the extra effort to clarify that, it's refreshing when the misunderstandings is clarified 18:00 the opposite is true, its precisely because of that, they need to recruit more people, and who else to recruit in the colony than the one who already helped so much...
@CyrusReznik
@CyrusReznik 2 ай бұрын
Maaannn!!! Here we are 20 years later and I didn't know the Valentino's ring story :)))))
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Sorry that I spoiled it for you mate!
@CyrusReznik
@CyrusReznik 2 ай бұрын
​@@vertigo7082At this time it's just: Bring it on!! More secrets are good!
@yernow8216
@yernow8216 2 ай бұрын
"Fire mages can see Xardases tower" was refering to Gothic 2 where you can literally see xardases tower from the monastery
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
True. Basically Xardas' fondness of big pimped up towers is not the most effective way to stay under the radar. The mans gotta work on his modesty.
@yernow8216
@yernow8216 2 ай бұрын
@@vertigo7082 definitely, since from almost anywhere on Khorinis you could use Xardases towers as an orientation point
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
@@yernow8216 It's like the huge ass tree in elden ring or the citadel of half-life 2
@SzavaHunorLevente
@SzavaHunorLevente 2 ай бұрын
This is getting better and better! It’s really amazing that after so many years I still find out new things about Gothic from vids like this! 🤘
@SBBBurney
@SBBBurney 2 ай бұрын
More of these, please! Great work!
@ElKyox
@ElKyox 2 ай бұрын
excellent content, thank u for doing these videos
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
I'm glad you enjoy them!
@CapitanBreakfast
@CapitanBreakfast 2 ай бұрын
Really good and interesting video, keep up the good work!
@AmitabhaAsukin
@AmitabhaAsukin 2 ай бұрын
Nice vid, I'm waiting for the next part, thank you for a good job. Danke schön und hallo aus Russland :3
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Большое спасибо! Я рад, что тебе понравилось!
@SkinnyGaming81
@SkinnyGaming81 2 ай бұрын
Another great vid! Big hug, bro.
@sliverz_fx
@sliverz_fx 2 ай бұрын
These are the things I have learned most about over the years, by just exploring if i exclude gothic 3, but I gotta say that there's things that i will not understand any time soon. Like the hermit easter egg. If we put his words into practice, then Gothic would be spelled Oohhcc.. I don't get that xD
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Yeah they didn't think the other way around. BTW man, I have some difficulties with the coming entries....I might call upon you help for that :)
@sliverz_fx
@sliverz_fx 2 ай бұрын
@@vertigo7082 I'll see what I can do to help :)
@Netrofikator
@Netrofikator 2 ай бұрын
Exotic funfact for better reach - in the polish dub, when asked for directions, the guard of the bridge that leads to the Old Camp replies that the Old Camp is UNDER the bridge. We are still debating whether this is just a translation error, making him look like a drunk, or some joke-allusion to the fact that you can literally see the camp from the bridge and asking for directions is stupid xd
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
He actually says it in the german version too. He is just a joker
@Netrofikator
@Netrofikator 2 ай бұрын
@@vertigo7082 Oh, that explains a lot! His Polish VA was kinda serious and this sparked these debates xD
@serjtubin
@serjtubin 8 күн бұрын
Great work, thanks!
@user-ve9mn8jb1h
@user-ve9mn8jb1h 2 ай бұрын
Regarding 8:01 - I remember King Rhobar, in G3, saying that NH was sent there just as a test for him to pass and show that he is truly the Chosen One; so that would actually make him not guilty of any crime.
@krzysztofszczepanski8597
@krzysztofszczepanski8597 2 ай бұрын
Great content :D
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@jebise1126
@jebise1126 2 ай бұрын
technical limitation... lack of manpower... so on and so forth - g3 having desert instead of swamp
@tikeyyX
@tikeyyX 2 ай бұрын
Again awesome video,i commented on this few hours back but somehow can't see my comment (maybe i deleted it unintentionally) Connection between Sleeper and Crawlers could be due to orcs sacrificing crawler for Sleeper soul to use it as vessel and then that vessel mutated into our beloved Archdemon 🤔 Thats my personal theory, i saw it somewhere and liked the idea ⭐
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
I love the theory that they are somehow connected but I've never heard about this one yet. Got a source for that maybe? Yeah the comments are sometimes weird, they disappear and I can't even see them in YT studio. Valve pls fix.
@tikeyyX
@tikeyyX 2 ай бұрын
@@vertigo7082 I honestly dont remember where i found it but its not official information. Its just theory but its good one. Thanx for info, KZfaq is sometimes very strange 😁☠️
@Lowca9
@Lowca9 2 ай бұрын
At some point in the iceberg You have to say a few words about LARP Gothic ;p
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
It's sadly not on the iceberg but maybe I will do a video about it in the future.
@4F6D
@4F6D 2 ай бұрын
I think you got the dragon elements wrong. Ice is clearly air. Air is (mostly though) cold like when you use a fan, or when the wind blows in the summer. Swamps are mostly known for being wet and muddy -> water.
@Karti200
@Karti200 2 ай бұрын
Lets pretend that 'swamp" dragon is actually Water dragon and ice dragon is actually "Air dragon" - you know, air... cold... wind... lets just pretend xd
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
You are not the first one to propose this idea but ice is literally frozen water. I cannot get over this fact.
@egotripp7368
@egotripp7368 2 ай бұрын
Can't wait for Tier 3 and the Car in Jharkendar entry, which i'm sure is totally different than the Jharkendar Car one
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Man I didn't create the chart, but yeah it's whack!
@bearpupy2909
@bearpupy2909 2 ай бұрын
I never clicked on a like button so fast!
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Adanos be with you!
@bearpupy2909
@bearpupy2909 2 ай бұрын
@@vertigo7082 bless your soul!
@HerrHoppenstedt
@HerrHoppenstedt 16 күн бұрын
11:36 You are divine! Etzala
@swagromancer
@swagromancer 2 ай бұрын
Iss mal ne Wurst, Bruder.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Mhh ohh ja danke!
@aszhara2900
@aszhara2900 2 ай бұрын
Ah yes, Gothic 3, the game that let you scramble the whole timeline and allegiances by deliberately corrupting your save-file at the start of the game.
@humblehornet621
@humblehornet621 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic!
@MegaLol2xd
@MegaLol2xd 2 ай бұрын
18:50 that's the topic for Gothic 3 remake xD
@Tarquinn
@Tarquinn 2 ай бұрын
42 and "What was the question" are referring the Hitchhiker's books, and not the movie as the movie hadn't been made yet.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
What do you mean? A movie was made about that book in 2005 starring Martin Freeman. I even showed a short clip of it.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
www.imdb.com/title/tt0371724/
@Tarquinn
@Tarquinn 2 ай бұрын
@@vertigo7082 Yes, and when was Gothic made?
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
@@Tarquinn Sure, but I think that most people know the story because they have seen the movie. It was kinda big back in the day. Is it a reference to the books? sure, but in the end I thought it might be more relatable if I mention the movie.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Don't get me wrong, you are right but I chose the movie so I can deliver some visuals. Showing a book cover is simply not as interesting.
@93Beefcake
@93Beefcake 2 ай бұрын
Nett gemacht
@4F6D
@4F6D 2 ай бұрын
Ich hab den Drachenlord einspieler gesehen du Schlingel.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Es war nur eine kleine Hommage an einen großen Menschen!
@YoungArty
@YoungArty 2 ай бұрын
I have never clicked on a notification so fast!
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
You guys are simply awesome!
@4F6D
@4F6D 2 ай бұрын
Hab mal von einer Theorie gelesen dass Snaf ein Kannibale ist und deswegen Fleischwanzen isst, die immer in der Nähe von Skeletten rumkriechen.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
Die Theorie stand unter dem Reddit thread ist aber in meinen Augen sehr weit hergeholt. Der Mann isst Insekten, welche Aas fressen.
@4F6D
@4F6D 2 ай бұрын
@@vertigo7082 Weit hergeholt auf jeden fall, sonst wären wir in manchen Fällen ja auch Kannibalen.
@vertigo7082
@vertigo7082 2 ай бұрын
@@4F6D stimmt genau.
@jebise1126
@jebise1126 2 ай бұрын
not true. what was the question was used by gaddafi in some interview
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