Govt's Bold Bid To Power Homes With Cars

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Electrical contractors should connect electric cars to power their customers’ homes, says the UK government…
…Leicester authorities warn that there’s a rogue electrician operating in the city…
…and what’s causing the mysterious electrical hum in Omagh?
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00:00 Electrical Industry News - Monday 11th Feb 2024
00:42 UK Govt want homes powered by EVs
01:38 Meet Hydra EVC
02:07 Woman uses electric car to run her son's dialysis machine during storm
02:40 New high powered EV chargepoint from Compleo
03:38 £70 million to boost the rollout of rapid chargers
04:25 Leicester Council identify rogue electrician
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06:00 What's causing the Omagh Hum?
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@roberthuntley1090
@roberthuntley1090 2 ай бұрын
I suspect that the government charge of car manufacturer's to force them to sell EV's will go the same way as the proposed "boiler tax". If Jo Public isn't ready/willing to buy these in the quantity envisaged by the government, those manufacturer's will just hike their prices to recover the cost of the fines (and in turn force the government to U Turn).
@DimDonut23
@DimDonut23 2 ай бұрын
Be good when V2H (and V2G) becomes widely available.
@andysims4906
@andysims4906 2 ай бұрын
One of my mates bought a EV it was 3 years old at the time . He kept it for 3 years . During that time he was telling everyone it’s fantastic. Even telling me I should get one . He got quite agitated if I said anything even slightly negative about if . All the time he carried on praising it up. Roll on after 3 years he finally said he was wrong. It was a complete waste of money. It was a good car but he spent half his life changing it. That’s if he could find a charger working . Ripped of for servicing . (Hang on it’s a EV ) it had heated seats but couldn’t use them to you paid extra for a app . The list goes on. When he sold it he lost thousands. Even he said he was a typical EV owner . They will never admit they are wrong and have wasted their money. He now drives a petrol car and even his local garage can repair it . Now all those EV people will love the idea of their car powering their home. They don’t care if it shortens the life of the battery . Almost certainly invalidating the battery warranty
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
Again I done 82k miles in my car no issues whatsoever in 4 years the car is now out of warranty and as good as the day it was new. All this nonsense about shortens the life of the battery is rubbish, that happens if you rapid charge it all the time.
@StuartJ
@StuartJ 2 ай бұрын
EVs are not for everybody. If you don't have a driveway, or you do a lot of long distances then forget it. For me, I wake up to the equivalent of a full tank every day for a fraction of the cost. It's a hoot to drive, with outstanding performance. Servicing is not much more than rotating the tyres and topping up the washer bottle. I offset a lot of the cost with corporation tax. No road tax (yet). It pre-heats in the winter, and pre-cools in the summer. It's quiet, and did I mention it's fast? Holy molly it's fast.
@LeighWinspear
@LeighWinspear 2 ай бұрын
Hmmm. Now where can I work and get free charging/electricity whilst on a job site?
@benjurqunov
@benjurqunov Ай бұрын
My colleague does this several years now. The local library has free charging. Most every day she visits the library, charges up, the goes home to power up her household. Taxpayers foot the bill.
@jameshughesdon5370
@jameshughesdon5370 2 ай бұрын
I had VTG 3 years ago. Nice idea but the first unit was always faulty. the secound unit then pushed our voltage up so high it damaged loads of equipment in our house. Nice idea but a long way to go yet. ( we ripped the final unit out last year)
@bernardwoods5361
@bernardwoods5361 2 ай бұрын
The Omagh hum has been reported before. A 30 hz hum was recorded by Brent , London,experts, unable to locate the source. Ask who hears it and you'll be surprised how widespread the problem is.
@alanjewell9550
@alanjewell9550 2 ай бұрын
I hear a low pitched hum at night here in Totnes, Devon. It's got louder recently. I can't identify the source as it seems to resonate with the room, which makes it louder. There's no substations nearby though there is a mix of low voltage, 11kv & gas mains under the nearby pavement. The LV produces a low magnetic field up to about 50nT in my house due to some imbalance in the phase & neutral currents.
@paul756uk2
@paul756uk2 2 ай бұрын
​​@@alanjewell9550I've just written a post on it. You may want to read my experience on it out of interest. The times you cheat it are when ambient noise levels are low like late at night or early in the morning. It also resonates indoors.
@A.Y.A
@A.Y.A 2 ай бұрын
The selected words of the week are crackdown and overlord . And as always thank you very much. It's really fun to see the electricity news, I appreciate it very much.
@kennshearer526
@kennshearer526 2 ай бұрын
As an IDBuzz owner I was not aware that I could do V2H. As far as I am aware VW are some way off from implementing this feature.
@IM35461
@IM35461 2 ай бұрын
I still don't think our electricity network will be up to the increased load of EV's electric cooking, electric hot water and Heat Pumps for heating. My rural road is powered from a 100KVa 11kv / 415v Transformer (pole mounted) and it feeds twelve properties. (all single phase except one). A 100KVa transformer has a secondary current of 133 Amps per phase so if the load over the three phases is a perfect balance that is 3x133A = 399A and with twelve homes 399/12=33.3 Amps per property (About 7.6Kw continuous per property). The overhead cables from the transformer are 70mm. So it all works fine at the moment and I know gadgets exist to stop a property drawing more than the service cut-out fuse rating (60Amp in my case). I don't think you can pole mount a 500KVa transformer so along with the cost of that some kind of building would be required. Assuming my maths are correct, who will pay for all these upgrades and are the "powers" that be just pretending it is not a multi trillion pound country wide issue.
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
Since the car can all pull 7.2kwh single phase they all would fall inside the rating and since not all will be charging at once due to use and smart charging its not an issue
@protectiongeek
@protectiongeek 2 ай бұрын
Based on 12 properties with an After Diversity Maximum Demand of 12kW, the site max demand on the pole-mounted transformer would be around 160kVA. I've assumed a baseline ADMD of 1.5kW per property (the baseline figure for a 4-bed house or 3-bed detached house) then added 2.5kW for a EV charger (charger rated at 7.4kW) and allowed for heat pumps at each property with an aggregate rating of 8kW. Of course, without the exact details of each property and its location, etc, the maximum demand on the sub' is only a rough estimate. The largest pole-mounted transformer supplied at 11kV is a 200kVA rated device (in the UK). Voltage drop is a major consideration, especially in less densely populated locations so some reinforcement of the LV distribution is likely to be required, possibly in the form of replacing overhead mains and services with underground cables. The answer to your question "who pays?" is not straightforward. If a customer applies to their DNO to supply additional load to be connected to their installation, they may well end up paying for a lot of the work, such as the transformer change. Subsequent applicants fed from the same transformer may well have to pay for some reinforcement but not as much as the poor person who got landed the bill for the initial add-load that required a lot of capital to be spent by the DNO. In reality, one customer faced with paying for major reinforcement works will usually not take their enquiry any further. In a more general sense, DNOs modernising and reinforcing networks rather than responding to one-off specific requests for additional load is paid by all customers through their electricity bills. I do agree however that our distribution networks will, in many locations, struggle to cope with even a modest level of EV and heat pump use. I often see YT videos or articles in the media reassuring us that the 'grid' will cope - look at all the generating capacity available through the night! This 'helicopter view' of the networks really is of limited use as it is at the customer/DNO interface - the LV networks mainly - that the issues will arise.
@sergiofernandez3725
@sergiofernandez3725 2 ай бұрын
Hi eFiXX Have you seen or heard of The Housing (Scotland) Act 2006 changes. Come into effect 1st Mar 2024 it affects rental dwelling in Scotland? A valid EICR does not mean the dwelling is compliant as it may not have an 30mA RCD present. Might be worthy of a new story.
@efixx
@efixx 2 ай бұрын
Nice one Sergio, thanks for the heads up! 👍
@adrianupnorth
@adrianupnorth 2 ай бұрын
An electric car is a battery on wheels. Why not use it when sits still 95% of the time parked. Ice or EV cars are such a waste money anyway given the amount we use them.
@Umski
@Umski 2 ай бұрын
Exactly, car packs are massive compared to domestic batteries so why not make use of all that unused storage sitting there doing nowt! A small domestic battery will happily take up the slack when the car isn't there. Also goes to show how energy intensive it is moving a metal box - even a bog standard 24kWh leaf would keep my house going for 4-5 days, yet on the road might get you 60-80 miles at best...
@rob19632
@rob19632 2 ай бұрын
If the car powers the home it means you can't drive it as far. You can't use the energy twice.
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
But the EV can power the home for a week and will charge back what it's used on cheaper time 7.5p rather than 30p don't understand the issue here
@MoaningGit
@MoaningGit 2 ай бұрын
My 2019 Kona already powers my home. Easier doing it myself.
@matbowden9156
@matbowden9156 2 ай бұрын
Share your method with the rest of us then 😉
@MoaningGit
@MoaningGit 2 ай бұрын
@@matbowden9156 64kwh Kona in utility mode provides energy to 2 x victron dc-dc converter to a 12kwh 12v battery bank to a victron multiplus (grid tie) Then a 24kwh 48v bank charged via solar To a 48v mutiplus grid tie Then a 10kw solar edge battery also charged via solar To a solar edge inverter Zappi puts excess solar in to the Kona 16kwh of solar in total The solar edge inverter plus home assistant manages all the DC and AC power. Any excess after car is charged to 80% gets exported to help payback. I only have a 5kwh DNO so managing everything is important to avoid solar throttle
@MoaningGit
@MoaningGit 2 ай бұрын
I also have heat scavenging, any heat produced is dumped into an air source heat pump. It all runs very efficiently and doesn't break the bank if you can do it yourself.
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
@@matbowden9156 buy a v2l adapter. Your car needs to support it but there only a couple of quid
@matbowden9156
@matbowden9156 2 ай бұрын
@@MoaningGit Keen to know what you are using to run ya home from ya Kona first
@terrymackenzie6784
@terrymackenzie6784 2 ай бұрын
V2G sounds like a good idea but the politicians pushing it need to see for themselves if they can make it financially viable I've thought about it a lot and it doesn't make sense. Better to simply buy a dedicated home battery system and a cheaper EV that's what I've done and am already benefitting and I don't need to wait for the technology and legislation to catch up
@faraway5828
@faraway5828 2 ай бұрын
It's not really to power the home, its to support the grid during peak loads
@protectiongeek
@protectiongeek 2 ай бұрын
Putting aside the perennial issue of increasing the number of charge/discharge cycles during the expected life of the EV battery, possibly shortening its useful life, V2H is a potentially very helpful way of reducing peak demand on the local network and the amount of generation required. The move from V2H to V2G is where some additional problems emerge, principally localised voltage rise. Like V2H, a lot of commentators regard V2G as a largely altruistic way of "helping out the grid", even with the not unreasonable expectation that money changes hands to compensate the owner of the V. Thing is, if compensation or incentives encourage EV owners/operators to export energy from EV batteries, or other sources of energy, problems with the network voltage getting too high are a real possibility in many locations. Much depends on the number of exporting 'prosumers' and the network topography but I sense that such mere 'details' will be glossed over by the car sales executive in much the same way that potential EV customers may be led to believe that they can plug in and charge as much as they want, whenever they want.
@ThisOldManOfTheSea
@ThisOldManOfTheSea 2 ай бұрын
Surely the car’s batteries will experience a reduced life if they are regularly being used to provide power to the home. This would result in increased cost due to early battery replacement and which would almost certainly be more than the savings on an electricity bill. Question: would you buy a secondhand EV from anyone who had been powering their house from it?
@guygillmore2970
@guygillmore2970 2 ай бұрын
You would be surprised how expensive wholesale power gets at 5.30 on a winters evening
@Umski
@Umski 2 ай бұрын
A house isn’t going to drawing huge amounts of power compared to the car itself especially if the V2H inverter is modest in size so may as well make use of the storage if it suits circumstances e.g. a domestic inverter might be 3-5kW versus the car’s motor which even on a 24kWh Leaf is 80kW so the battery won’t even break a sweat
@mreevesh
@mreevesh 2 ай бұрын
Is powering the home from the car not going to lead to a reduction in service of the car battery and therefore requiring them to be replaced sooner. What’s the stance on recycling EV batteries at present?
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
Your car will do more than 15 years on a normal cycle. All this replacement of batteries comes from fud that's been disproved already
@retrozmachine1189
@retrozmachine1189 2 ай бұрын
There's no such thing as a free lunch. Sure you can use your car's battery to load shift the house but every kWh supplied by the battery is the same as driving some number of kilometres. If you start moving 10kWh a day, which is not unreasonable given the energy use patterns over there with heating, it's going to have a real impact on battery life. Looked at how much it costs to replace a car battery? You don't replace the battery, you replace the car. Keep an eye on the real costs of all these concepts lest they bite you on the backside.
@FirstDan2000
@FirstDan2000 2 ай бұрын
Excruciating Overlord. No-one wants one of those.
@gino2465
@gino2465 2 ай бұрын
You can buy a stand alone device which uses Chadmo connection to vehicles which will give you access to a vehicle battery and return to home. Trouble is its 3k. There are some ev chargers that will hit the market but again in the region of 3K. . And like another person stated if an issue arrives and damages your car good by warranty. These cars can be terigated and it will show up on diagnostics. I have had my 62kw Nissan now for just under 3 years. Fantastic to drive. BUT Long tips its hard work. We did a weekend away last year 4.5 hours each way total weekend time to charge the car for our weekend break was 5 hours 40 minutes. So add this to 9 hours. Misses not impressed. And it cost us more as each stop warranted coffee and more food at high costs. So my advise is keep a diesel as the ev is grand around town. For those who don't have one and want one , understand that they take a good 7 hours to charge at home. From 28% to 100%.
@r.h.8754
@r.h.8754 2 ай бұрын
So you are pulling 11KW for 7 hours. Then your neighbour wants to do the same, ditto the family across the street...The load soon adds up. The electrical grid was never designed to handle these sorts of loads to domestic premises, electric showers and induction hobs have similar power ratings but are generally only in use for a few minutes so the chance of a dozen houses using that sort of power at the same time are quite small. The problem is that 'our lords and masters' don't understand basic principles - one of them being that electricity doesn't just fall out of the socket.
@gino2465
@gino2465 2 ай бұрын
@r.h.8754 6.6kw unfortunately Nissan are 6.6 only.
@gino2465
@gino2465 2 ай бұрын
@r.h.8754 lol spot on. Don't get me started on loads lol .
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
@@r.h.8754 11kw is 3 phase your only able to pull 7kw on single phase, and that is less than the 11kw showers that all go on the same time every morning
@G1ZQCArtwork
@G1ZQCArtwork 2 ай бұрын
Words are, Excruciating, and Molded.
@Dog-whisperer7494
@Dog-whisperer7494 2 ай бұрын
You won’t get anything if you’re picked 😂at least not anytime this year 😂
@keithg1xfl
@keithg1xfl 2 ай бұрын
This has GOT to be the Most Idiotic Idea I've ever heard
@uncletrashman
@uncletrashman 2 ай бұрын
incredibly & excruciating
@RiverMersey
@RiverMersey 2 ай бұрын
Charging an EV at home is already the slowest method of charging. Now, with "The Grid" retrieving energy from an EV being charged at home might mean that EV will never be fully recharged! Slow-charging EVs at home can help prolong the lifetime of the battery, however, if the battery is being used by the national grid then the EV owner might never be able to actually drive their own EV! Motorway service stations often have chemical fuel refilling bays numbering in the multiples of tens, capable of getting a car going again within 10 minutes, with a range of 500+ miles. Presently, I've noticed these service stations have EV pseudo-fuel refilling bays numbering around 15, capable of getting a car going again adding around 200 miles of range. Fast-charging of EV batteries reduce the battery life-span.
@Jasonf-km5mq
@Jasonf-km5mq 2 ай бұрын
excruciating, moulded
@ascot4000
@ascot4000 2 ай бұрын
Meanwhile the EV residuals are tanking and one major component is that EV manufacturers are reluctant or actively take measure not to release EV battery health to owners or even dealers. This does not sit well with the idea of vehicle to grid and the additional battery cycles incurred even when not being driven. How can UK Gov promote how 'cheap' the scheme could be when nobody has an idea of the cost to battery health, or a recognised way to monitor it let alone apportioning a cost to vehicle battery life. Battery charging cycles are not 'free' even if the electricity used to charge the vehicle was free. Changing vehicle batteries is, at best, an eye-watering expense, or in some cases just not financial viable.
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
You can get the battery health from the obd2 port with the correct software, the BMS information is in the spec. And am not sure what tariff your using but I charge my car at 7.5p per kWh so full charge is £2.50 way less than doing the same with a fossil so am not sure where your getting your information but it's not accurate
@roberthuntley1090
@roberthuntley1090 2 ай бұрын
One caution - I assume that the extra charge/discharge cycles on the car battery might shorten its lifespan. In due course, I would like to see a detailed cost/benefit breakdown of this idea.
@timballam3675
@timballam3675 2 ай бұрын
100% batteries will be screwed..... Just look at the cost of a new battery pack....
@TheAviation101
@TheAviation101 2 ай бұрын
@@timballam3675now we get all the people coming up with baseless theories commenting. It will have negligible impact to the car’s battery lifespan due to something called DoD limiting. For lifepo4 chemistries, studies have shown there’s actually an INCREASED lifespan because the change in type of load is beneficial to that chemistry. Yes, it literally slows down the degradation of the battery.
@confusedofhinckley5294
@confusedofhinckley5294 2 ай бұрын
@@timballam3675 not 100% as you claim, no. I've ALREADY been using my Nissan Leaf battery on V2G and V2H systems for the last three years, and detect no additional degradation and an overal SOH of better than 88% on a six year old car, regularly used.
@Recessio
@Recessio 2 ай бұрын
It is a dilemma. Maybe as well as mileage, there needs to be a number of charges/discharges counter too?
@TheAviation101
@TheAviation101 2 ай бұрын
The wear is negligible with DoD limiting. And for lifepo4 chemistries, it can actually be beneficial due to the change in type of load
@northeastcorals
@northeastcorals 2 ай бұрын
This method of powering your home with your EV could lead to "hundereds of £ in savings". Now I'm definately not an expert in this field so this is a genuine question of wouldn't this method also vastly increase the charging cycles on your extremely expensive EV battery, which in turn would reduce it's lifespan? If so has this been included in working out these predicted "savings" 🤔
@jamesmoon5632
@jamesmoon5632 2 ай бұрын
Thats great you only get so many charges on these EV batteries so £10000 battery change every few years sounds good
@3D_Printing
@3D_Printing 2 ай бұрын
So if you turn a light on in the home you can't drive a car because all the power has gone to turn the light on
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
Err your bulbs use a shed load of power to drain 50kwh maybe time to get some led bulbs as your electric bill must be massive 🤣
@rogerbellows2961
@rogerbellows2961 2 ай бұрын
Excruciating and flurry
@LoremIpsum1970
@LoremIpsum1970 2 ай бұрын
Wow, 1 in 33, and how many sold not just pre-registered and sitting in a lot somewhere? V2G when it goes back to the Grid, well you never sell at more than you can buy... Though, I have no confidence that there will be cheap rate times for elecricity with everyone charging adding to demand. As for Australia V2G, she obviously doesn't know you can get inverters for ICE vehicles... It'll be cheaper to keep my old car and buy a powerwall given the price premium for EVs!
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
Feed in tariff are pretty good and you can usually make more feeding it in a peak than taking it out later if you have smart meter and decent tariff both ways
@LoremIpsum1970
@LoremIpsum1970 2 ай бұрын
@@damiendye6623 Must depend where you are! Gary Does Solar (UK) looked at this and off-peak kWh was less when bought back...
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
@@LoremIpsum1970 you need to use octopus agile both ways to make it work
@rogerthomas7040
@rogerthomas7040 2 ай бұрын
The problem with VtG/VtH is that CCS charging port standard used in most car still does not support it.
@edwardpickering9006
@edwardpickering9006 2 ай бұрын
Ioniq 5 and 6 can only do V2L. No CCS V2G until 2025 at the earliest as Chademo have a legal wrangle until then that keeps it exclusive until then.
@fudgedonkey
@fudgedonkey 2 ай бұрын
excruciating , overlord
@MarcusNailor
@MarcusNailor 2 ай бұрын
Excruciating & overlord
@Maxposion
@Maxposion 2 ай бұрын
excruciating and overlord
@sparkygazza
@sparkygazza 2 ай бұрын
Insurers are facing a major dilemma over how to handle the huge cost of covering electric vehicles.Soaring repair fees, particularly of damaged battery packs, and a lack of appropriately trained mechanics have led experts to warn that greener cars risk effectively becoming uninsurable
@benbocc1549
@benbocc1549 2 ай бұрын
Have never had to repair our 2019 EV yet. Never heard anyone else we know needing to either. Our diesel on the other hand, we have just found out the turbo has gone. Sounds expensive.
@TheAviation101
@TheAviation101 2 ай бұрын
Opposite, car can do twice the mileage / age between services now
@mark_just_mark
@mark_just_mark 2 ай бұрын
Excruciating and Overlord
@Gordy58
@Gordy58 2 ай бұрын
Excruciating & Overlord
@_eusty
@_eusty 2 ай бұрын
Overload and excruciating
@Recessio
@Recessio 2 ай бұрын
The beard looks good, suits you
@efixx
@efixx 2 ай бұрын
Thanks very much! 😊
@Festoolification
@Festoolification 2 ай бұрын
Govt want EV buyers to pony up backup power as they know there is no way industry can carry the cost without pushing up grid energy prices across the board even more. Don't be a mug and fall for it, those £100's in savings could cost £1k's in unwarranted battery degradation. Bet PCP and Lease terms and car manufacturer's warranties could quite possibly be contravened by doing this.
@curranhouse
@curranhouse 2 ай бұрын
4.8 million for reverse powering your house... you can't get a EV charger that actually works in public but yeah good waste of money 😂😂😂😂
@AAW-Electrics
@AAW-Electrics 2 ай бұрын
Shady Overlord
@AdamWatson001
@AdamWatson001 2 ай бұрын
Err, two of these words....? Bi-drectional, ambitious player, poised, abely, promptly, dash, incredible stuff, flurry, sweeping, shock, major crackdown, SHADY lights, Overlord, EVELUTION? ;-)
@kevinhenryviii
@kevinhenryviii 2 ай бұрын
Shady and overlord
@Dog-whisperer7494
@Dog-whisperer7494 2 ай бұрын
Good idea put your car on your home supply now , get up for work tomorrow and wow your car is dead and you are now late for work. Brilliant.
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
Why would it be dead, if your home uses more than 50kwh then you have a massive electric bill already, the bit your home uses is nothing and would be back in the overnight charge without any disruption
@halb1282
@halb1282 2 ай бұрын
Hire companies cannot get EV vans off their forecourt because the range is not sufficient to do the job. Domestic mileage is not sufficient to drive the curve. Motoring is not determined by you and I traveling to work, but by the big movers and works vans and commercial operations. They cannot survive on an electrical solution. Not when a tank of diesel, offering a 500 mile range, takes 3 minutes to achieve. If EV can offer a 3minute turnaround with a 500 mile range they will be competitive. Until that point they are too expensive. Take a look at JCB. They heve shunned electric.
@Dog-whisperer7494
@Dog-whisperer7494 2 ай бұрын
I refuse to play the secret words game as I have never received my goody bag prize from way before Christmas, and my prizes for for winning the challenge wall time a year ago are again eight months ago. Click bait or what.
@abbash7727
@abbash7727 2 ай бұрын
Shady, overlord
@Jasonf-km5mq
@Jasonf-km5mq 2 ай бұрын
shady, ev-lution
@ANTHONYBOOTH
@ANTHONYBOOTH 2 ай бұрын
I foresee Fires ...many many FIRES!
@Chris-hy6jy
@Chris-hy6jy 2 ай бұрын
So the car powers the home... So what charges the car? The home?? The obvious stupidity of this scheme is mind boggling! 🤦‍♂️
@Umski
@Umski 2 ай бұрын
Depends on circumstances - I would love to have V2H to supplement my PV and modest battery (4kWp and 4.8kWh) - in the summer months, there is plenty enough excess to charge the EV and then when it's needed it can be used in the home - even a cheapo base spec Leaf has 24kWh which is orders of magnitude greater than what my home uses so it's acting as a buffer and the pack size is orders of magnitude greater than a domestic battery - on the occasions when the car is in use, the small pack is still there to keep the house ticking over. In parallel, it then means offsetting time of use and time of charge when electricity is cheap, you charge from the grid and use it when you need it at peak times - it may seem stupid to you but it may mean the difference between having xxx more nuclear power plants/gas plants in the future as those loads are being powered by all those unused kWhs of stationary battery packs...think bigger picture
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
The car powers the home during the peak to take pressure off the grid and then when load drops the car charges again what's the issue here
@Chris-hy6jy
@Chris-hy6jy 2 ай бұрын
@@damiendye6623 the complexity of it all plus any scheme that promotes lithium ion batteries being deployed in high volume is flawed from the start.
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
@@Chris-hy6jy ok, I just plug it in less complex than dealing with the ever changing fossil price, and 82k miles in 4 years charged to 100% all the time no issues whatsoever still on the original break pads and discs, tyres last 40k miles bugger all to service. Car has paid it's 23k off in fuel parts and service savings. The cells are still as good as the day they was new and the range is the same as the day it was new. So it powering my house when am paying 30p kWh would still save me money and then I can just add the 4 kWh to the daily charge it would lose 8 miles of range to power the house it's not noticeable, and would add 30 Minutes to the charge from the AC charge of which I wouldn't notice as am asleep
@Chris-hy6jy
@Chris-hy6jy 2 ай бұрын
@@damiendye6623 When I get home, I don't plug anything in. I just park and go inside the house. I'd argue that's easier. We'll never agree mate. I fundamentally disagree with how these batteries are produced in the first place. Also any EV that's been involved in even a minor accident where the battery is suspected to be damaged, will be written off. Any EV that's sustained damage to the battery enclosure during normal driving will also be written off "just in case". It's a big wasteful mess and I don't want any part in it. Good luck to you though.
@AlexLancashirePersonalView
@AlexLancashirePersonalView 2 ай бұрын
Electric cars are loosing favor, do they not know. Better to fit all houses with a reliable, and cheap, supply from eco sources. If we don't have electric cars, but Hydrogen powered cars which are coming, we will not need so much electric power to our homes.
@benbocc1549
@benbocc1549 2 ай бұрын
Hydrogen cars are a dead duck. Hydrogen is the smallest molecule and likes to leak.
@waynecartwright-js8tw
@waynecartwright-js8tw 2 ай бұрын
The Toyota Mirai has been on sale for 10 yrs. its a failure , i cant even be bothered to list its shortcomings , just look it up
@caterthun4853
@caterthun4853 2 ай бұрын
Hydrogen is produced using electricity. Then transported. Then burnt with loss. Unless you work with heavy transport.. Use electricity directly with battery.. Its cheaper
@orielzob2821
@orielzob2821 2 ай бұрын
Overlords and myth
@jamesan2517
@jamesan2517 2 ай бұрын
How can an EV return power to the supply when most EV's are not capable of providing enough power to the car. It's getting immensely ridiculous..
@markrainford1219
@markrainford1219 2 ай бұрын
'Hundreds of pounds in savings'. Not going to cut it when a replacement EV battery is thousands. Why would you wear out your battery when you are not even driving?
@benjurqunov
@benjurqunov Ай бұрын
My colleague does this almost daily for years now. The local library has free charging (taxpayer funded). Charges at the library, then goes home to operate his household for the evening.
@keithg1xfl
@keithg1xfl 2 ай бұрын
So run Your house overnight to run your home and Come out to a Flat Battery next Morning - Brilliant
@JamesEdwards860
@JamesEdwards860 2 ай бұрын
My house uses about 3kwh overnight which, would therefore take 16 nights before flattening the battery in my EV.
@Recessio
@Recessio 2 ай бұрын
The car would charge overnight on the cheap electricity so would be full in the morning
@TheAviation101
@TheAviation101 2 ай бұрын
You running a marijuana farm or something ?
@Umski
@Umski 2 ай бұрын
@@JamesEdwards860 exactly, it seems many don't have one iota of a clue when it comes to how large EV batteries are and how much energy it takes to move a metal box around in comparison to a domestic setting...I'd love an old Leaf to power my house - it'd go for 4-5 days on 24kWh and get charged up for free on PV or low rate night tariffs
@brianpiddock6074
@brianpiddock6074 2 ай бұрын
Ford and GMC in the USA have stopped production of EV's. Ford have already closed one plant down they have over 90,000 EV's unsold. And a recent report from battery production experts say that the required materials to make EV battery's will run out over the next 10 years.
@benbocc1549
@benbocc1549 2 ай бұрын
Misinformation.
@Recessio
@Recessio 2 ай бұрын
​@@benbocc1549there's a lot of bots spreading misinformation on this video. They target any video with EVs as a topic
@damiendye6623
@damiendye6623 2 ай бұрын
Usual fud I see here
@brianpiddock6074
@brianpiddock6074 2 ай бұрын
@@damiendye6623 Check out the article in the NY Times with the CEO of Ford USA
@Chris-hy6jy
@Chris-hy6jy 2 ай бұрын
Fingers crossed Reform UK get into power this year and bring some common sense back into our political world!
@keithg1xfl
@keithg1xfl 2 ай бұрын
But NOBODY (with ANY Sense) wants an EV, even if they Give Them away with Free Electricity
@wotireckon
@wotireckon 2 ай бұрын
Yes, why would anyone want a car that costs ⅓ to ¼ the price to fill up, has next to zero maintenance, has lower emissions than an ICE car even if powered by a coal fired power station and, if powered by wind or solar has zero emissions, can power your house for up to 3 days, is fast AF, is inherently safer due to lower centre of gravity and has a vastly longer lifespan? Who would want one of those? Certainly not people with any sense.
@sparkygazza
@sparkygazza 2 ай бұрын
no one wants ev,s
@TheAviation101
@TheAviation101 2 ай бұрын
Comments like these often come from people who are uneducated. Did you pass any of your GCSEs?
@confusedofhinckley5294
@confusedofhinckley5294 2 ай бұрын
​@@TheAviation101 sparkygazza thinks ONE MILLION people is noone. I guess he didn't pass his maths GCSE, then.
@benbocc1549
@benbocc1549 2 ай бұрын
I disagree. Our EV saves us hundreds or pounds each year and is largely charged from the sun via solar panels.
@mikebarry229
@mikebarry229 2 ай бұрын
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