Yes however the manner in which most LGBT people present themselves is what causes a lot of the hate and stigma closeted children receive.

@@jacksoncowsert6964oh of course. Blame the victim.

​@jacksoncowsert6964 your lack of understanding doesn't give you license to be cruel. What a horrible comment.

Graham is an international treasure. ❤ He deserves so much more recognition and respect than he receives.

​@@jacksoncowsert6964Really? Troll thy judgmental self elsewhere.

That's beautiful!

I mean, look at The Last of Us. the whole third episode as an in depth gay love story is a response to the very hidden and codified queerness in the OG video game which was shunted to the background so as not to trigger the straight male Gamer audience. I think it's brilliant that there are so many creators out there outwardly, openly saying "ay enough is enough, you can't deny these peoples' right to be represented anymore."

@@K.C-2049 excited for season 2, rather than hide it in the second game they brought it to the forefront.

Conformist? Just another weirdo who thinks that regular, masculine gay men have something traitorous about them because you can't tell they're gay. God, you people are insufferable.

@@K.C-2049absolutely terrible episode that had nothing to do with the story . People wouldn’t even like that episode if it was a hetro relationship

I'm not from UK but Freddy, Bowie being bi, we knew that in Central Europe way back when... Anyways, love Graham Norton as weĺl!

​@@mapletree3434What a completely random response.

@JohnBrownsBody64920 OP said 'while growing up in UK, Norton was only gay public fifure I knew about'. I mentioned other non straight Brits, and I DIDN'T grow up in UK. That's the point. Not random at all. I mean...maybe OP isn't into rock music all that much. It's okay. I just found it curious. That's all...

He's not gay I thought he had a wife and 2 kids, not sure if that's true but I can't be bothered to research it properly. I'll just leave you with that so you'll forever be in doubt like me. Love him though! 😅

There is no 'community' 🤣

Why? What an arrogant attitude to have that simply from the passage of time, attitudes should just magically change.

@@Novarcharesk Yes, as if I expected them to just magically change. Obviously my predication was wrong, but given the attitude of the time, it seemed reasonable that we would be further along than we are. I fail to see what arrogance has to do with it. As if I claimed "I will fix this issue!" More like overestimating the society I live in. Though, in fairness, I never thought in 2024 people would worship a goat with a human face as a god, but that's a reality too.

The situation is completely different now from what it was thirty years ago. Thirty years ago, people were, quite rightly, fighting for same-sex relationships to be accepted and supported in the same way that opposite-sex relationships were. In the intervening thirty years, people fought for an equalisation of the age of consent. This battle was won in the year 2001. People fought for same-sex marriage, and they received civil partnerships in 2005 and actual marriage in 2014. In between, the Equality Act 2010 enshrined in law that people could not be discriminated against in the provision of services and public functions on the grounds of their sexual orientation. So by about ten years ago, the major legal battles for legal recognition for same-sex relationships between consenting adults had been won. Of course, there was still prejudice and discrimination, but this was no longer supported by the state, and if we'd left it there, people would have just got used to things and things would have just continued to get better for people in such relationships. Instead, many activists took a bizarre, 120° turn (not a typo), repurposing the organisations that had helped to propel the successes of the gay rights movement for and hijacking the good will of their supporters, tacking on unrelated and even opposing ideas and using the device of an ever-expanding initialism to mislead people into thinking that this was all really just a continuation of the same sort of thing. It was no longer enough to recognise that an effeminate boy might be a nascent homosexual and to accept and support him for what he was. We now had to pretend that he might actually be a girl, and maybe put him on hormone blockers. It was no longer enough to recognise that an adolescent girl who liked girls but was uncomfortable with her developing body was a lesbian who needed mental health support. We now had to pretend that she was actually a straight boy, and off with her breasts! _Nobody_ should be surprised that there has been a huge backlash against this. It has almost _nothing_ to do with old-school homophobia, and almost everything to do with the hijacking of a decent movement to push for something retrogressive and deeply harmful.

@@omp199 Thats it exactly.

You are *GORGEOUS* no matter how old you are You are *INTELLIGENT* & articulate & compassionate You are *WORTHY* regardless of what you do You are *NOT* *ALONE* I’m here for you You are *WISE* and we all need your guidance You are *MORE* than a part of our community 🤓❤️🏳️‍🌈

I wish I could tell you how excited it makes me feel to see a doctor who’s part of the LGBTQ community. Thank you for sharing your story. I’m stuck deep in red rural America and havent received a proper physical in 10 years because the doctors here are conservative loons who choose politics over science. Someone tried to put up a safe space sticker in the local clinic and the conservative doctors forced them to remove it. We are so blessed to have people like you out there doing the work. It’s so necessary.

@@bsixtwelve9799 Thank you for your kind words and I’m so sorry for your mistreatment by my fellow healthcare providers whose political ideology and religious beliefs have wrongly superseded their oath to take care of all of us, not just who they decide is worthy. I hope the best for you.

thank you for seeing the reality of others and not validating the fact that some countries allowing same sex marriage as a success like some people of your age bracket are doing here in the UK. it feels like those generations have given up the fight just because they got to do what they longed to do but our generations continue being ostracised and murdered even and those 'elders' who are meant to be protecting us are the same ones that criticise us and invalidate us and our needs

I appreciate your sharing this. It can be disheartening that society has not evolved to where it should be, but take heart that the process has not been shut down. The discussion is still going.

DITTO!

You're an American Graham Norton? That's cool. *Edit: darn, he fixed his typo.

I absolutely LOVE him and his show.

@@thebeardedseeker5633 lol

And Kylie Minogue, Madonna, Mariah Carey....

Would it not be a great idea if they gave that money openly to all sorts of initiatives like this to enhance the positions, safety and equal societal belonging of their target groups? It would be sort of a justification as well as having a thorough laugh at the expense of countries and people who simply do not understand that people come in all sorts of shapes and preferences, which is healthy and good for humanity. Just throwing out a thought into the universe.💫

Most people, celebrity or otherwise, virtue signal when it comes to human rights. When we have the opportunity to put our money where our mouths are by doing something more tangible, besides lip service, we fall short.

@@waynedexter Self-interest trumps principles most of the time for most people, unfortunately.

​​@@jbak87Is that true of you and your family and friends? If so, why? If not, how do you have a better way to be? How do you do things? If so, why is that?

😂😂😂😂

He was also in Father Ted playing a Catholic Priest (Father Noel Furlong).. pretty cool for a gay man :) ... never forget his origins

Fuck off with calling gays 'queers'. It's a meaningless political term.

What does ‘queer’ mean?

still trivial. didn't say anything significant other than what troubled his privileged peers

@@uaskcred He has helped make being open and gay acceptable in the entertainment industry.

@@sjzara still trivial to the b's and t's

@@uaskcred No. Queer representation helps everyone.

@@sjzara no, it doesn't

You can forward the link. I do it often.

Pretty sure there was nothing special about the case at all. When straight men are found with substantially younger lovers, they get the third degree all the time.

​@nock1388he was a young man wasn't a child🙄 do you know the age of consent?? Now your attacking Muslims, yes Christians have the highest amount of children brides in the world and America is no.1 . Your pretty pathetic

Religion and politics (the psychopathic desire of the power mad to manipulate people for personal gain using whatever "us against them" leverage is available to them) makes that highly improbable.

Trans took that shit back by 30 years

@@Johnson09641 TRANS DID..but the tide is turning against them..they were anti gay MEN and therefore sn active threat to me..an ideology made up by and for angry resentful willful delusional spoiled and oh so dumb ideologues could not last forever and the same rational intelligent GAY people for whom IS a part of them but not all of them are emerging victorious ‼️‼️‼️

THIS! And a world where the words ‘coming out’ don’t exist anymore

What an awesome message from such a beautiful man ❤

Yes, be a victim forever 🤣 Never stop seeing enemies everywhere you look.

@@Novarcharesk You mean the enemies are mere paranoid delusions? Hard to tell if you are being ironic or not

I just replied to another comment on how bad things were in the 70s when I was homophobic. It was the societal default setting, 50 years on and things have improved...or so it seems. It's appalling that progress still needs to be fought for. Given the political climate, I fear things may get worse.

Hey bhai! I think we have very similar youtube preferences. I see you everywhere! Under Tried and Refused productions videos, under cricket videos🤣🤣

@@parinikasharma317 Lmao I stay away from cricket but it’s nice to meet you

@PokhrajRoy. do you follow Our Stupid Reactions? I've seen you under many videos. Nice to meet you too😊

@@parinikasharma317 Yes, I dabble in watching OSR

@@PokhrajRoy. that's where I've seen you!

Nice false equivalence 🤣

@@Novarcharesk how so? This 'culture war' only has actual victims of hate and violence on one side.

@@kevtb874 yeah not very surprising when people have been getting fired, expelled or even jailed for opinions, even jokes.

@@MrTriple3D who got jailed for a joke? And being fired for not being civil with your colleagues is fair enough.

​@@kevtb874 Do you mean in general, or specifically relating to sexual preferences? Apparently a 20-year-old man called Matthew Woods was sent to prison for 12 weeks in 2012 for making "grossly offensive" jokes about two missing girls, April Jones and Madeleine McCann, when he was 19. Specifically on the subject of homosexuality, in 2005, a student at Oxford University called Sam Brown, was arrested for asking a police officer: "Excuse me, do you realise your horse is gay?" Presumably that was a joke. He was told to pay a fine of £80 but refused to pay. He spent a night in a police cell. Who got fired for not being civil with their colleagues?

For real. I was heavily involved in faith-based activism for LGBTQ justice until I realized how many bad faith arguers there are on the conservative side, and how we don’t need to waste our lives justifying ourselves to them when they have so much cruelty to answer for.

It actually isn't 🤣

Yeah, and there totally just isn't any bad faith arguers on the Left at all, hey?@@bsixtwelve9799

Fantastic speech. Thank you Graham❤

From the perspective of permanent victims, they don't care. They just want to whine.

There is unfortunately

​@@redskyatnight123No, it's just bigotry.

​@@redskyatnight123it's a very one sided 'war' then. I see only one side trying to take away people's rights and dictate how they may life their lives. I see only one side being vilified and bullied into suicide.

Actually, there is no culture.

​@@kevtb874 Who is trying to take what rights from whom? Who is trying to dictate how who may live their lives? Alarming if true, but I have been following much of what some call the "culture wars" for a few years, but other than the usual fringe weirdos who wield no significant power, I don't recognise that as a description of any side, at least in this context.

It isn't a challenge to be gay in the West 🤣 Not anymore than being different in any other demographic.

Resilience if you're lucky (or rich or privileged or sheltered), ill health, isolation, pain and a wasted life if you're not.

What are you talking about? Norton here Talks about attacking and physically assaulting LGBTQ+ People and how this is a horrible thing that still didn't change.

But it does, actually. Stop being a professional victim.

I'm doing a uni project on exactly this. The level of non-acceptance within the community is astounding. And it needs to be spoken about. Thanks for sharing your experience x

He's talking about being hateful and abusive towards vulnerable minorities, not about refusing to buy your book because you're a bigot.

Ooh! I like that term.

Is it really political, or just something that is being dragged into politics, weaponised by conservatives?

It's actually cringe and unwanted, and annoying

@@Novarcharesk Your comment you mean?

@Novarcharesk Too bad. They have been here since the dawn of man, and are here to stay. There will always be a portion of people who don't conform to the cisgender binary heterosexual majority for as long as humans exist, whether you like it or not.

Prolly not transphobic just not delusional

@@hallowakers3d2y yeah that doesn't make sense

@@meliora99 transphobic means nothing anymore. Literally i dont believe in what you do said to a trans person is transphobic now. Transgendered = delusional

I can definitely relate to the stories of trans kids being bullied for who they are.

I mean, as a bisexual male I’ve always sort of felt like the unwelcome letter, even before all of this.

No, trammies have nothing to do with gays. Like, by definition.

The gay community would not exist without the trans community. Who were the most outspoken at pride when the movement was in its infancy? We have the same struggle; bigots hate us for who we are, they won't care which exact flavour of queer we are. Also don't forget that trans ppl are often also gay or bi on top of being trans. Or we think we're homos BEFORE we come out as trans. We have a lot of love & respect for our cis queer counterparts and we need you to be on our side. United we stand, divided the tories win, so to speak. Yes we are not exactly on the same paths in life, but we should all understand that our experiences of bullying, self-doubt and loathing, discrimination, fear for our lives, refusal to hide our true selves - these are things we all share.

@@joycelinlgbtq Beautifully put! I'm just going to add, the arguments are being recycled, so standing with all marginalised communities is how we win. The argument was "gay people could be dangerous to straight people, so they should be excluded or vilified", now it's "trans people could be dangerous to cis people, so they should be excluded or vilified". Obviously they weren't as explicit with the vilified aspect, but the intent was there.

He's referring to young adults as many on the show are in their early 20s.

So, someone whose conviction is to hide away their true self, lie to themselves, their family, their friends, their (potential) partner and children, because they are ashamed to be honest with themselves - while simultaneously telling the LGBTQIA+ community that being queer is something to be ashamed of...? I have pity for them; not hate. I can only hope they can overcome the social expectations they have conformed to, learn about religious trauma and the damage it does to closeted queer people, and learn to be free of that and be themselves.

and there it is - that old hubris - how is it YOU get to decide that i am lying... how do YOU get to decide what is TRUE and most valuable to or about me, whose choice and story is different to your own? I am not lying to anyone, I am quite open and honest about what I experience and what I used to do vs what I do now - I am free to make choices, to choose my actions and behaviors and associations. But you label me deceitful (a liar) and pitiable... Am I allowed to believe that the Creator GOD has the right to define what is fitting or not, and not queer ideology or even a sinner's heart? Do I even have a right to be religious if it contradicts what you believe and want to be true? Do I have the right to believe that not every impulse and desire is good or right or fitting, even if it feels good and easy? It doesn't really matter what set of impulses might have developed in my life after I was born, Jesus did say we must be born again... am I free to choose that or am I still a pitiable liar?@@traceyadixon

​@@seanswart8102your statement only true in your mind because in almost every country especially in asia continent and africa continent the lgbtq+ is the one who's judged by everyone because of RELIGION.

​@@seanswart8102do you think there is a prohibition about being in a religion in most of the country? The religion biggest enemy is the other fucking religion who's feels their god is the only true god in the universe. But in term of legaility? Almost every country is free to choose what kind of religion you choose. But LGBTQ+? NO. Almost every country especially in asia and africa have a law that prohibit the people to express themself as a part of LGBTQ+ commuinity.

@@seanswart8102 Well because most ex-gays contribute to queer oppression by preaching about the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality, while actually just being bisexuals who simply choose to ignore their attraction to one gender. Because your straight peers parade you around as some success story proving the inherent immorality of queerness, rather than proving the effectiveness of their brainwashing and psychological torture. Because no I don't think it's right or normal to be poisoned by man-made religion into suppressing your natural and harmless orientation. I think it's sad what you've chosen to do, even if it's your right to choose it. I just wish you would stay the hell out of the conversation and stop giving the fascists ammunition.

I do hope you understand they're from East Germany though....I mean your talking about the Prussian heartland. Ruled for hundreds of years under extreme conservative values and then controlled forcefully by the Soviet Union for another 60 years or so. Living under such regimes for so long will cause that type of mindset to continue even after the wall fell.

That's total bullshit 🤣

He has no idea what he's talking about. He lives in an ivory tower bubble with only others that agree with him, so of course he's entirely out of touch.

How are they in conflict?

@@jopo8281 Because if males and females cannot be defined and are interchangeable and anyone can call themselves anything whenever they feel like it, then lesbians and gay men DON'T EXIST. There is no LGB if there's a T on the end.

@@jopo8281 Look up the LGB Without the T movement if you want to know more

Because the same battles are being fought? "Gay people could harm straight people, so we should exclude them". "Trans people could harm cis people, so we should exclude them". The people who were present at the Stonewall Riots were not limited to gay, bi, and other sexualities, some of them were trans. And as a gay trans man, I promise you, they're not in conflict.

Hell yea!