atleast all the other races are beatable, unlike this mf-40 in rome

I knew the AI cheats. Nobody believed me. They all thought I was crazy.

My theory is the AI isnt as good at cornering as a real player and during testing they realised it was too easy. So they ramped the horsepower up to compensate

Opponents= *uses GTLM or LM cars* Xantia driver= it's fine,ill race anyways

The amount of times I spent as a kid buying the car that was dominant in a race to beat it only to still be beaten by the car still. ***Controller has exited window successfully***

MORE LIKE CHEA-T40 AMIRITE

Ever since I was a kid I knew something was up with the AI in GT2. I specifically remember buying a Honda CRX Si-R for one of the beginner events. It was at Tahiti Road and I was up against some slow little kei cars. Should've been easy, right? Nope. No matter how hard I pushed in the corners the AI would fly past me on the straightaways. They'd even out accelerate me uphill. In their puny little kei cars! Thank you for confirming my suspicions. Great work as always!

I can hear BK4 is typing Edit : He's There! Pinned comment!

To be fair from the CPU's perspective the humans are the cheaters. We can move off the racing line. Make tactical decisions. Hell, even restart if we lose! We're so OP!

That race with the Vector is unexpectedly heart-pounding. I sat on the edge of my seat the whole race. I expected you to beat it with dirty methods like ramming it off the track (after all we're talking 300+ hp difference here), but no, it's legit racing and pit tactics. And it's good to see that vector get beaten, as I never managed to win that race myself. Kudos to you, good sir..

I really respect the amount of research and work that go into these videos. You drive every car in every event just to show how unfair the ai is. Thanks again!

GT40 on Rome is the biggest cheater ever!

Welcome to the Salty Spittoon. How tough are ya? How tough am I? I won every race on Gran Turismo 2 NTSC ver 1.0 Yeah, so? Without any tuning Uh, right this way, sorry to keep you waiting.

Ford GT40: You cannot defeat me. Me: I know, but he can. *Yellow Evo 5*

Only a Yellow Evo 5 can beat the GT40 around Rome

23:29 it isnt cheating, its just takumi driving it

What impresses me about this is the fact that these AI cars have horsepower values at all. This must mean they drive themselves in a more player-like way than other similar games. For instance, the Toca Touring Car games have 2 set lines around the track, and with defined maximum and minimum speeds at various points.

20:16 GT2 was released in '99. the evo 7 was released in 2001. the ai cheated by basically breaking the laws of time, allowing them to get a car that didn't exist then edit: 21:03 1 bhp away from perfection

_Two devs at Polyphony_ : "Hey man, I think we got an issue." -"What is it?" "Our AI is rather crap, they can't compete with the player all that well." -"Tried rubber banding?" "Ech, doesn't really work." -"Just give the AI higher powered variants of some cars to balance it out and make it more challenging." "I don't know, that will make quite a lot of cars exceed the BHR limit at some events, which is kinda cheating." -"Just do it, trust me. People will complain it's too easy." 5:18 - It's funny these two cars race each other. Lotus/Chapman designed the car in a bid for the... Ford GT40 project! 14:14 - I think the Wiki says that if you switch languages from any in the PAL version to English, you can race both Opel and Vauxhall. Apparently even the completion percentage gets higher than it should. 14:34 - Probably the only race it would ever win(and still didn't against you), it was a crappy attempt at a GT2 car. Drove 3 times, retired 3 times, then got converted into it's successor. That means both the Vectors shown are cheaters too :P 10:11 - Doesn't it say VI(6) instead of VII(7) though? 23:10 - 24:16 - So we effectively have Initial D and Over Rev! cheaters here, Itsuki, Takumi and Ryoko Shino. The power advantage of the Eight-Six isn't wrong though, that's just Takumi as the AI ;) 30:45 - 31:23 - Great, now it's a bit of Sailor Moon(a never made Coupe version of the 2000 GT shows up there) abd Wangan Midnight. 35:53 - 36:10 - éX-Driver car now aswell. 41:15 - Doesn't that say '91 though? Those Tommykairas seem to be the "popular" choice(alongside Clios, GT40s and Elises for example) by the devs as cheat car.

14:32 when you lied on your resume but you got the job anyway

this video is the comfiest. if you could smell videos this one would smell like a coffee in a mug

If you see a GT40, bring a Yellow Lancer EVO V to terminate it

(I just lost my very little (for once) wall of text by mistake, so i'm not gonna rewrite it) Great video! TL/DR of my previously lost comment is: The game only uses power multipliers and tires on all cars, except for the Test Course opponents that also have a full race transmission for speed. That means the TK M30 is NA! Because it becomes a Turbo car when you upgrade it. Also, the Logo and the Pirus both have a CVT so it's not alone. And I forget what my 3rd point was lol Oh yeah, the GT40's a tough opponent because even though cars don't have proper tuing, it's still a race car at heart with decent suspension, grip and weight.

12:50 i wouldnt call that a mis-match just a balls of steel moment

Still the best car roster after 20 years.

The Viper that keeps spinning in Laguna Seca must be driven by Romain Grosjean

Anybody else remembers getting a "kiddie prize" in a license test? I remember the first time I got one I sat there wondering what the hell that was.

Dude I love your content so much! GT2 is my absolute favourite and having these in depth videos about it is badass. Thank you for doing what you do!

I love all this information what you bring us and I didn't know many of them, thanks Matt!

This happens in test drive 5 too!

In Gran Turismo 4, there was an event where almost all of the AI cars were illegal, as in, if you try to drive them, the game wouldn’t let you, I think the rule was unmodified cars only, and you couldn’t use things like the Cadillac CIEN and the Volkswagen W12 Nardo, while the AI could.

I actually like the hybrid cheats. It gives more challenge. It's just a way to compensate for the AI since they suck at corners and overtaking. Still better than the rubberbanding opponents of need for speed…

Ok so I think I said this before but I never had an issue with the Rome cup. I heard about the meme and decided to try to go on my game to see how hard it actually was and I was looking for the event and I couldn’t find it until I found out that I did do it with no issue so idk maybe I got lucky. I think there was a gt40 though.

I remember when that was amazing graphics and realism

This has become a standard in racing games xD

That poor Xantia... Great video as always!

That trial mountain endurance race was a fantastic battle to watch. Very entertaining!

This reminds me of one day where I was bored, so I picked up a GT40 Race Car, applied the best turbo kit available for the road car and proceeded to smoke the cheater in Rome. Gotta fight fire with more fire.

EA: we have the most unfair racing games thanks to rubberbanding. KazYam: Hold my Ricciardo's shoe champagne. Edit: I guess I hould the typo for too long.

The Prius also has a CVT in the game

Didn't expect to watch all of this... subbed.

A really interesting look into the data behind GT2, very well presented. Good of you to actually film the hybrid cheaters with you driving the equivalent car, to see how OP the extra power turns out to be. Good on you for proving that the Vector M12 LM can be beaten, as well! Wouldn't have figured the Dodge Concept Car would be that good. One thing that I don't think was addressed in the video or the description: How did you get the BHP values for the AI cars in the first place? There's no obvious display and I can't remember the AI telemetry for GT2 being that detailed. Other than that, the information was interesting and presented neatly. It did get a bit wearing to introduce every car with the "Here's the event HP limit, here's the car's power, that's an increase of XXX HP" format - maybe use percentages, fractions, or hell, entire cars that are equivalent to the HP difference to mix things up a bit. But really, that's nitpicking. Thanks for the research, the video and the nostalgia trip!

0:38 - 0:55 *BK4:* "AAAAAAAAAAAA" *_BK4 has left the chat_*

No wonder I have a hard time beating those cars when I was a kid, I remember that grueling Grand Valley endurance race. Thanks for touching this topic up.

I'm going to go play GT2 and whoop these cheaters' asses. I thought I was a cheater, always using tuning, upgrades, and other similar cheats. I guess the playing field is more level than I thought.

I tend to forget numbers I hear two seconds later, and that was a lot of numbers... Well I still went through it all. Gud video is gud.

I miss the old circuits...

Great video! Getting excited for Grab Turismo 7? I always wondered why the car wash cost $5000. Never thought to try it!

The Xantia driver was just a person coming home from working overtime and he took a wrong turn.

20:14 That's a Lancer Evo 6 actually

oh boy its 46 minutes of cheating cars in gt2

In GT4, the Cadillac Cien and VW W12 Nardo concept can appear in the super car cup, which allows production cars. the Chien and Nardo are Concepts

It's an overall great video, I actually did learn some new things about GT2. I honestly never new the opponents had higher stats like in the Grand Touring Car Trophy, I just assumed they were modded to the hp limit. Though, that's probably because I cheated myself using the Daishin Silvia JGTC, hehe. A similar case with other events in GT2. The only cheating opponent I found troublesome was the Ford GT40 on Rome in the Historic Car Cup, but an upgraded Datsun/Fairlady 240ZG can take care of that.

Gran Turismo 2 The Real Loophole Exploit Simulator

Should try Forza 7 for cheating opponents, this video would be like 2 hours long then.

I'm really enjoying these sorts of videos lately. Good job!

(footnotes taken as video was watched) 0:20 HEY! GUESS WHAT!? IT'S RANDOMIZED BEFORE THE RACE BEGINS, BUT AFTER YOU CHOOSE TO START THE RACE! How do I know this? It's been dug up by data miners. It was an attempt at some sort of opponent randomizer that would keep players on their toes. It only half-worked. 0:46 The power limit is 300 (something like this); the GT40 is not tuned but still has a lot of power-to-weight, so it definitely seems OP but it isn't. There are at least a hundred cars that could easily beat it. I know; I've never lost in that event with or without the GT40 as an AI opponent. 0:52 It says 295; it's 300 (rounded up to nearest ten/hundred), and the GT40's actual BHP is 290, not 305 which is maximum horsepower at about 6,600 RPM. All GT games account for the lower HP value, not the maximum. Power to weight ratio? High. Unbeatable? Nope, nope, nope. Oh, and yes, you can enter your own GT40 if you so choose. I don't recommend it; it's too powerful and too much weight on the back tires for a constrained city track. 1:22 No, it looks like that's the case, but it is not. Cars that are of the same model driven by AI have programming bugs in that some weird anomaly causes the game to give the AI a boost in power, which gives some negligible increases in overall performance. It only happens in some instances, and it's akin to the logic freaking out rather than some cheating mechanism. Doesn't change that it's frustrating...(it most certainly is) 1:50 THE ACTUAL LIMIT IS 400 HP. Always round those numbers up to the nearest ten/hundred for the ACTUAL LIMIT. Also, in the car parts and settings menu, this higher limit is confirmed and accurate. CHECK AND SEE IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME. 2:04 Nope, that would be six over, if it were looking for the maximum HP. The minimum HP is about 380. Also, (my experience) that fucker comes in LAST every time I race that event. I wonder why... 2:22 Try 376. That's the minimum. It's also faster than the Supra and usually finishes on my tail (second). 2:38 The limit is 500. None of the AI cars push more than 450-475 in my experience. IT'S AN EASY 20,000. 2:50 480 HP. 3:16 495 HP. Below by 5. 3:40 Nope, only outputs a max of 490. Minimum is 470. I have no trouble racing against this one. 3:54 Turbo Boosted 515 Maximum. Minimum is 460. Again, always finishes LAST. 4:20 That limit is 300. The GT40 outputs a minimum of 290. It's the 1969 model. OP, sure. Frustrating? For some, yes, for me, no because it's too easy to make the AI driver crash into walls by interrupting its' racing line. (I'm not kidding-it's a surefire win) 4:52 POWER-TO-WEIGHT RATIO IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU DIDN'T MENTION. 5:06 O.o (sees most of the AI slamming into every single damn wall) Sure, if ya say so, lolz 5:24 1969 Camaro. Later, Ford! (yeah I use this one) 5:30 The limit is 400. The GT40 is less of a challenge here as it is not tuned up for the race. It's another one where the challenge lies in keeping the opponents off their racing line, but the GT40 rarely finishes in the top three here. 5:42 That car has a stock HP of 280. In this race, it's tuned to have a maximum output of 365, minimum 350. The driver always has issues with oversteer. e.e 5:48 No, that's what the game tells you in Arcade Mode, but it's incorrect. It was incorrect in GT1 as well. 6:06 The car weighs almost 4,000 pounds stock. The power-to-weight ratio. It's good for the quarter-mile. 6:18 The limit is 600. 6:30 Turbo Boosted to 620 maximum. It outputs a minimum of 580, and is hardly a challenge. It has turbo lag in spades and the driver tends to veer into the SAND a lot... 6:52 The AI were not programmed to use THE DAMN HANDBRAKE. They didn't get that right until GT4 (and not even then because there are instances where the AI still manages a big pile of crap). 7:50 I have this version. I also have the revision. Fun Fact: the code for a five thousand credit car wash is still in the game, just 'commented out'. This 'error' persisted from GT1, where the cost was fifty but the code for five thousand was still there and could even be triggered by a glitch. FTR, it was going to be five thousand credits but that was back when it was car maintenance which would of included oil, fuel and tires, only one of those features made it into the final release, and only for a few races. Car maintenance wasn't a thing until GT3 or 2000 (I have yet to play the latter so I am not sure). 8:06 That's Mark Martin's number from the early to late nineties. Great behind the wheel, socially inept otherwise (it is what it is-I can relate to a fashion). 8:14 It was removed at Mark's request, actually. 8:56 A fine example of unoptimized code. Actually, they only did it this way because at the time, the list was fourteen different vehicles, and all of the races were way different, and none of them had power limits (there also was only four races and they were all fifty laps at one of the four most 'technical' circuits-Rome, Laguna Seca, SS R5, and get this, High Speed Ring Reverse). They forgot to change this when redoing all the races. 10:18 The limit is 600, but ALL ENDURANCE RACES WITH LIMITS ATTACHED TO THEM WILL ON OCCASION NOT CHECK FOR THIS (it happens to me like maybe once in twenty times). Why the check is not performed every time is not something I know, but all the same, it means that one could enter the Esukudo into the 30 Laps at Trial Mountain, though that would be pointless. 11:12 The car in question has a power-to-weight ratio akin to the GT40. 320 HP, about 2,600 pounds. 11:42 One more thing the AI is not programmed to do is coast. Coast and handbrake. Yeah. I haven't seen this done properly in any racing sim I've played yet. :shrug: 13:58 The code for this car exists in all versions; it is 'commented out' in non-PAL versions due to Opel and Vauxhall being competing licensees at the time (this came to an end around the end of 2000 or so). NTSC releases had Opel cars instead of Vauxhall. A pity because I like Vauxhall cars just that much more... 14:32 THIS IS A GLITCH AND IT ONLY HAS LESS THAN 0.325% CHANCE OF OCCURING. Yes, one damn time I saw this, but it is still beatable because the car has super soft compound tires and pits in every six to nine laps. It also suffers from AI freak out if you interrupt its' racing line (I didn't even do this on purpose-next thing I knew it slammed into the wall and was there for ten seconds). It finished in fifth. The only reason it didn't finish in sixth was because the trailing pack racer was in the pits. ON THE LAST LAP. xD 20:52 It's a programming error as aforementioned. The logic is saying 'Uh oh, we have duplicate cars, what do we do, DAMMIT MIKE WHAT DO WE DO.' 27:36 This is an example of one car having two different versions in the code, and both exist despite only one being available to the player. This is a bug that was never addressed or fixed. 30:34 That's because the AI Mustang has in fact the 2000 model specs. The code for this being available to the player was 'commented out' but was left alone by mistake for the AI. 31:38 You're supposed to be able to get 426 maximum HP with the Taurus. What happened, I dunno. 34:26 The MS Elise has some bad code in it that is fixed for the AI. 42:32 Noting here that the specs given for every Spoon Motors car in every GT game they can be found in are completely and thoroughly inaccurate, and this stirred Spoon's ire something fierce... 42:50 Fun Fact: The actual fully-tuned HP of the Spoon Civic v1 is 600 HP. 43:20 I've run into the weirdness of performance checks in NA and Turbo cups that if one car has both sets of parts, it can enter either one with either set installed. It doesn't always work but I give it a one in eight chance, and those are good odds...lol 44:40 ALL THE TRD CARS IN GT2 ARE BROKEN FOR THE PLAYER. This persists from GT1. All these 'cheats' are 99% bugs with the code. As with GT1, this game was released a broken mess that worked just barely at all, and is easily broken with glitches akin to Final Fantasy VII and VIII. Yeah, that bad; multi-disc games are the easiest to have lots and lots of bugs. They also mucked up things by removing Drag Racing. But yeah, the performance limits are deceiving, and the settings and parts menus will confirm this. A car with 599 HP will be able to enter a race with 591 HP as the limit because it is 600 instead. Why they ended up doing this rounding up thing, or if it was accidentally done and never addressed, I have no idea.

HE'S THERE!

6:24 WHEN THE IMPOSTER IS SUS😳

I guess this is why the developers allowed you to have the Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak for most of the races :D

The Ford Taurus cheated by being allowed to even compete in an event called "Luxury Sedan."

G etting T hrough the maximum power limit 2

so - thats - how you pronounce RUF, i've been saying "ruff"

No wonder I was always wondering why my Gt40 race car was way underpowered while I was raging against the Ford Gt40 race car on the straights.

It seemed like every time I went against the Vector Twin Turbo it wouldn’t even be the best car it would still get beaten by the other ai if it was driving a GT40

So the lesson of the day is that GT40s and their drivers are cheating scumbags! :U Awesome video, I didn't imagined GT2 had so many cheaters, though there were always something that put me off about the cars they drive. This also explains how the RX-7 A-Spec and the Mine's Evo ocassionally smokes the HKS drag cars on the Test Course race sometimes.

Gran Turismo 4 - Opel Speedster race. Check that out. Back in the days it was really difficult to master it for me.

Nice to see, that after all this years somebody cares for Gran Turismo 2 und still make a review a bout the game. It has a lot of flaws but ist still a fantastic game and one of my favorite. Out of curiosity I started the 295 Historic Car Cup against the GT40 a moment ago. Maybe you like to try it out but every time I use the AE86 Trueno tuned to 260hp the GT40 never appeard and the race is easy to win. I tried a least 5times. I also changed between my two Truenos (red and white). Did I use the Skyline (295hp) oder Sileighty (206hp) for example the GT40 appear. I used the 1.2 NTSC version to test.

So, why are we not considering these as percentage differences? For example, a 125bhp car will break away a lot more in a 100bhp race than a 225bhp car will in a 200bhp race. 487bhp in a 279bhp race means that it accelerates about 74% more than the same player car does which actually is huge. Some of the seemingly much lower, absolute differences in the lower races actually approach this same percentage difference.

20:09 - That's an Evo VI (6) fella, a genuine mistake I know but just saying. (;

Meanwhile at 50 laps all night. Driver: Uh Guys... I thought i'll be driving the Vector M12 LM, but this dosen't look very fast to me? Pit crew: [looking at the Citroen Xantia in silent] Team Manager: Ugh... This is why we should'nt have a sponsorship deal with the U.P.S. Driver: •____• .....

When you found confirmation to theories you had over a decade ago. I knew i wasn't crazy...

oh men i remember that [R]Vector M12 LM Edition entering the endurance run and suddenly just giving 1 lap advantage in less that 8 laps, fucking ridiculous, there were other more but that one marked me the most cuz it was just a reset cycle until it did not enter the race to make it unbeatable, i didn't expect in my lifetime so see someone actually beat that car, i'm really impressed

0:19 HE'S THERE!

You can enter a race and still go 5 HP above restrictions. Tune your car to the limit of the HP restriction for that race, enter race and then add the chip which is usually around 5 HP.

Great video, music and commentary. Must get my PS2 back in track.......miss those GT2 days.

I remember I defeated the m12 LM quite easy with dodge neon. using the shortcut near the end of the circuit, I was happy I thought I will win any secret car but turned out it's the same Denso Sard Supra.

They also never make mistakes usually. Rubber banding like mad. GT2 AI is terrible nowadays. It's like all the cars stay together as a pack rather than being spread out like later games. It's no surprise they use cheating cars lol.

Why do you keep saying brake horse power when the game is saying horse power

Bringing back a lot of memories and frustration. That Supra in the TC races was my bane lol.

They are like racing teams irl always finding ways to sneak power into the car and find loopholes in the rules. Or sneak “illegal” cars in the race.

Thank you! This was very interesting. I had no idea ☺ The following is a major digression, my apologies. I really like the behind car camera in the early GT games. Up to GT3. In GT4 the camera began to get thighter attached to the cars movement. In GT5 it was horrible - every turn was dizzying and awkward. Haven't played GT6 so I can't comment on that one. Luckily in GT SPORT you can adjust this! I was so happy when I found out. It is so much easier to tackle the racingline when I set the parameter to zero. Much like we see here in this video. Personally I think Forza Motorsport series has the near perfect follow car camera. Sorry for ranting, but this has been important to me as I love Gran Turismo! This has been discussed over the years in several forums. I really hope Polyphony implement and develop the camera view options in coming GT games. Thank you for your time and attention. May your journey serve you well ☺

I remember there was an event at super speedway where a Mazda protege wagon would always gap me on the last turn. I used a tuned up Aston db5 and then a stock viper rt/10. Once I modded the viper I could beat it. But still....

Quite the video I wasn't expecting to watch. And who would have thought AI cheating just repeatedly happened in GT4-Supercar Festival has concept cars as AI opponents even the player cannot participate with. Thank god for the possible opponent list from GT5 onwards...

Great Video as always. Very chill, entertainingly done. And much work put into it. I appreciate that and did enjoy the video very much. Cheers

I knew something was off with gt40 race car on GT All star event, especially in Red rock, where it keeps up with toyota gt one. Hybrid cheats aren't really noticable if you use OP cars for the HP, e.g. using race cars or road version of race cars (gt40, r390 gt1, toyota gt one, etc).

I remember a AI car that crashed in Laguna seca, and trying to get out of there, but all he ended up doing was reversing and then ramming the wall the whole race long at the S turn going downhill

Just subscribed, great video btw.

Imagine finding yourself chilling in sunday cup, and you see ai pikes peak escudo

when you're too good you start calling your opponents *T R A F F I C*

6:23 sus

Whatever you are using to emulate, it looks amazing

A far worse culprit is the Ridge Racer series, where no matter how good you are you will never be able to pass certain cars until a particular part of the race.

That explains why I struggled against many cars on 80s races

DON'T SKIP TO 06:24 WORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE!

What happend with the hks 180 in the test curse turbo with 1011 bhp ??

Still making quality GT2 Videos.. nice man

I think my best accomplishment was beating the M12 with an S2k

Absolutely can’t say enough just how good these games are I spent most my childhood on this series all the way until 6 I can’t seem to get into sport for some reason. 4 was just perfect wish I could go back !

I remember resetting races because of AI cars I couldn't beat. It was usually a little car that should be much slower but was somehow beating every car on the track including my own no matter how perfect I drove.