Skulkin brothers are easily the best “prosecution fucking despises the witness” dynamic, and he has the most reasonable gimmicks out of any prosecutor

I don’t think it’s a big issue either. But it seems a little silly to justify Van Zieks racism because he had a bad experience with one person of a particular race. Especially because Van Zieks met multiple Japanese people at the time and only one of them was “bad”. I don’t think there’s any real life scenario where you could empathise with someone becoming racist against your entire race because they had a bad experience with one person of your particular race. That being said I think that sort of thing *does* happen in real life. I just wouldn’t call it that great of a character arc for that person to realise “oh, maybe every single person with that skin colour isn’t the same”. Naruhodo had to pull off a thousand miracles in the courtroom to finally be accepted by the cool hot racist vampire guy. It just seems silly to worship that. Idk I feel like if someone respects their heritage they wouldn’t think like that.

@@HelveticaWoes …because no one (at least, not most of the VZ fans I’ve seen) is justifying Van Zieks’ racism. No one is saying he’s *right* or even logical to be racist. He himself admits in the game he is being wildly illogical. That’s precisely what makes him a fascinating character, to see an otherwise levelheaded guy allow himself to be dragged down by very obviously wrong beliefs because of his trauma. That’s drama! I like Van Zieks he’s *interesting*, not because he’s a *good guy* (although he does change). Because I like seeing his inner conflict and how he eventually overcomes it. His problem isn’t just racism, it’s his character problems making him think that the pain he’s been through is a justifiable excuse for his racism, when it clearly isn’t. The whole Professor incident gave him a truckload of trust issues in general, and the racism is just an easy excuse for him to paint over it. Ryuunosuke’s real miracle wasn’t ‘curing’ a guy of his racism, it was showing Van Zieks that he SHOULD trust people other than himself, and that a previous betrayal shouldn’t stop him from doing the right thing. Also, I know it isn’t your intention to be insulting, but it feels just a tad presumptuous to be like “if someone respects their heritage they wouldn’t think like this/like this racist character” considering how much the Japanese fanbase of GAAC adores Van Zieks. And to be clear again, I’m not saying this to justify his racism being okay ‘just because the JP fanbase is okay with it.’ Because…I’m pretty sure his racism is not why the JP fans love him, but how his character plays out.

@@poissony I just want to say I really like this reply. I’m happy to discuss this with you. Firstly, I am only referencing the writing of his character. I’m not trying to paint his fans as being racist. I’m saying that I believe “To see an otherwise level headed guy be dragged down by very obviously wrong beliefs because of his trauma” isn’t interesting at all. “Van Ziek’s long plight against obviously dumb racism” isn’t a good character arc or one I can rally behind in a video game or real life. He was shown to trust and care about multiple characters before he got “changed” by Naruhodo and Susato. Harebrayne, Roly and multiple others. His trust issues are specifically with the Japanese. Naruhodo didn’t show Van Zieks he should trust and care about other people as he was already doing that. All that got changed was for him to finally not hate the Japanese. The glorification and fascination with such a character truly mystifies me, and I do genuinely believe if he wasn’t the cool looking mysterious vampire dude who’s design was pre-built for tumblr, nobody in their right mind would think this character is an S tier character. Also I do see how it could come across as insulting, but speaking as someone who is of a certain heritage, I truly believe that if you respect yourself then you won’t be fascinated about why a guy hates your race specifically. And as someone who might be Japanese, I’ve seen far more love for Van Zieks from westerners online than I have here.

@@HelveticaWoesThank you for being extremely respectful with my reply, despite my maybe controversial stance. I’ll admit I perhaps was a little annoyed when I wrote my comment and responded rather impulsively, so I hope it didn’t come off as insulting you. I’ll give you the point that Van Zieks was indeed show to have trusted others who weren’t Japanese, like Albert. And he also gives a constant pass to characters who shouldn’t have been given the benefit of the doubt, like Roly just because he’s a cop or even Shamspeare initially. And you know what, if you found this frustrating, I totally understand, because it is. It also sadly does undermine the character arc of Van Zieks becoming a broody distrustful person in general. However, I do still think he’s an interesting character, and I don’t think it has anything to do with self-respect. We will have to agree to disagree on this one, but I don’t think acknowledging someone being evil, even racist, means that they cannot be empathized with. We are all human, and we are all susceptible to buying into propaganda and entertaining illogical ideas just because they appeal to our emotions. Just because we know racism is illogical, and we ourselves reject that wrong belief, does not mean we also do not accept a whole lot of other wrong and illogical beliefs. Van Zieks’ racism is still wrong. I do not condone his beliefs, but I understand why he chose to believe them despite knowing it was wrong. And really, if we are talking self-respect, notice how Ryuunosuke treated him. You can argue he’s overly polite outwardly and doesn’t call out Van Zieks enough, and I would agree with you. But not once does Ryuu agree with him, nor allow himself to be put down. He knows VZ is wrong, he rightly snarks how he is wrong and avoids VZ at first, and it is only once he tries to extend a branch and understands VZ does he become kinder. And not entirely either, considering he does yell at VZ in the prison for that ‘what do you Nipponese want’ comment. Ryuunosuke might show grace and understanding towards VZ, but not once does he lose his self-respect, nor does he accept VZ’s prejudiced remarks and takes them lying down. Perhaps this is too conservative a response, but I really admire that the story shows you CAN be both kind to but stand up for yourself against someone who unfairly discriminated against you. But I guess to put things in perspective, I am an Asian myself. I grew up in Singapore my whole life interacting with people mostly the same race as me, and not feeling strange about it. So yes, I lack the experience of being awfully and unfairly discriminated against just because of who I am. Whenever I see racist remarks online against who I am by white people, I just roll my eyes. And that perhaps is to my disadvantage, that I’ve never experienced really persistent discrimination before. Perhaps therefore I don’t easily understand how frustrating a character like Van Zieks can be to someone who’s had to go through discrimination every day. I don’t want to take this away from people or say they are wrong to be upset, because they very much aren’t. I never condone discrimination even if I’ve never experienced it as much myself. I just feel like people online tend to be either too quick to judge or to be self-righteous, especially white Westerners. “Look POC, look how not racist and tolerant I am of your existence, I would NEVER be an evil racist person like this fictional character.” While it is sometimes encouraging, it’s also frustrating and even a bit condescending to see people just flaunt it sometimes. As I said I don’t think anyone is immune to this kind of illogical rhetoric, and to deny otherwise, or act like racist people are uniquely evil or illogical is dangerous to me. ANYONE can think like them, and if we aren’t careful we will accept whatever wrong ideas happens to suit us.

😂 goddamnit

GREGSON IS MY FAVORITE ACE ATTORNEY CHARACTER BRO I LOVE THIS GUY SO MUCH

And his theme slaps so hard too. Same tier as Partners ~ The Game is Afoot

​@@tomokojoestar3189I wouldn't say the same tier for the pure hype the song offered but yeah a top 10 for me

Exactly, and the times it's based on, his mentality makes sense to be a patriot for his country and being misled by Stronghart. Heck, he even confronted Stronghart about it. I do wish there were more cases though in the games, since it happened really fast, just as we saw him in the present. Same goes with Maria and Courtney. Needed more cases. Overall though, I think Gregson is a character well done. Caught up in corruption, trying to do the right thing, even showing more emotion to us in the 2nd game, like a rare sprite, where he looks to the side, like he feels guilty and showing his true side.

@@DreadedGhoul575 I think a tiny change they could've made to Sithe that would make her character so much more impactful would be to have every autopsy report before case 8 signed by her name. It creates the impression that she's someone who you can trust and rely on (and really have no other option but to), but also that's she's sort of a far-off important presence who works in the background - it makes finally bringing her into sight for the first time far more shocking because it casts you into the same sort of dilemma that you see Barok face, where you no longer know who you can trust within the justice system. If you can't trust the person who's been the source of your information since the very beginning, who else can you trust?

You win 100 points for being the first comment to point this out!

I am a hosonaga SIMP, I was simping for him the whole ass game I love this dorky man who is trying his damn best

he's a based king who tries his best. i hope that if we get TGAA3 he gets more screentime and character development

It was a combo of the 2 that "killed him", it happened cause when she tried to push him the cat was in the way and he tripped while he was trying to balance himself

I knew the wagahai fact, but not the professor one! Very cool/funny!

Lol I had the same thought with Meekins... They created such a great bit for him, and then I watched other lets plays and in their series Meekins was a practically irrelevant character that only existed as a minor annoyance in 1-5

@@Smitology Exactly! Meekins is one of the biggest victims of the ad-lib effect.

Yeah he is so cool, and his breakdown is amazing, but the revelation that he killed his best friend because a guy was like “I’ll help your career” is a bummer especially when this happens while he’s off screen and he never gets to show his feelings on the incident. But him hiding is the box is still top tier 😅

Yeah Sithe being introduced earlier before her betrayal would have been a really good way to make it more impactful! I think that would have been really cool even if it was just including her names on the autopsy reports from 1-3 until you met her in 2-3!

@@SaveDataTeam I was watching another playthrough today and they do have her on 1-5 as Stevens, which I hadn't noticed except that person remarked something like "well, I'm not going to call the coroner corrupt" and really drew my attention to it IDK if they do it on any other autopsy reports though

The ranking includes how well we think the character was utilized and Sithe was just… kinda there 🤷‍♂️ very cool design, and a corrupt coroner is exciting, but she came so late and felt tacked onto a case.

Yeah Kazuma being stupid is the point there. He's literally blinded by his hate for van Zieks thinking he got his dad that was "innocent" killed

"but Ryuunosuke was too in love to see" Are we implying those two are married ?

you scared your cat? did you trip over it, perhaps?

Him ultimately being paid off by Stronghart to fake evidence and wielding his power over Mikotoba to do that was honestly such a a great twist. Like, we still had that lingering trust of Watson from him being a Sherlock Holmes character but the game masterfully uses that familiarity against us.

I made it unlisted so the raw, unedited version is not taking up space in our videos. It still exists tho!

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@@SaveDataTeam thanks! I remember watching a part of it live, but when I wanted to continue the rest I couldn’t find it!

I used this tier list, but added the 10 or so characters it was missing tiermaker.com/create/the-great-ace-attorney-characters-170433

@@SaveDataTeam Ah ok. Sucks it misses a few. Maybe there will be a full version eventually. 👍

(Kidding)

To be fair, who does?

@@TheGodIvyI mean. I don’t like kids lol

i'll be real, i've seen very little evidence for that rumor; i think it really was just meant to be a duology. any "rushed nature" is just due to the way the game itself is laid out and how much they try to do.

@@mysalsabrosv.2584 kazuma’s sudden resurrection is also evidence of how there was meant to be three games with a game in between kazuma might not be so fresh in the mind. I get ya though the evidence can also just be chalked up to crappy writing.

@@scratchedaviators1254I’m pretty sure the dudes who made the game always stated that this was supposed to be a duology. This was to dispel rumors that this was supposed to be one big game, but also serves to disprove any third game.

Me and my misinformed ass lol