Great Players of the Past: Jan Hein Donner

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24 күн бұрын

Johannes Hendrikus Donner was a Dutch chess grandmaster and writer. Donner was born in The Hague and won the Dutch Championship in 1954, 1957, and 1958.
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08:46 Jan Hein Donner vs. Octav Troianescu, Wageningen Zonal 1957
18:22 Jan Hein Donner vs. Bent Larsen, Wageningen Zonal 1957
24:51 Bobby Fischer vs. Jan Hein Donner, Second Piatigorsky Cup 1966
32:47 Jan Hein Donner vs. Liu Wenzhe, Olympiad 1978
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@pommedemer1922 22 күн бұрын

You know ben's story gonna be fire when he starts saying "when i was living in belgium... "

@xwngdrvr 22 күн бұрын

Donner, not only a GM but had a remarkable side hustle as a Reindeer.

@spiderchopproductions8172 21 күн бұрын

And he invented the kebab. Incredible.

@xwngdrvr 21 күн бұрын

@@spiderchopproductions8172 You have got to be Shishing me.

@EqSlay 20 күн бұрын

I donner bout you, but I found this lecture to be very interesting

@xwngdrvr 20 күн бұрын

@@EqSlay Another veteran of the Punic wars, I see. Well met.

@mikehartl8665 20 күн бұрын

😁

@Rubrickety 22 күн бұрын

I knew Donner well. He was actually only 3 inches tall but weighed over 4000 pounds.

@donsimons9810 22 күн бұрын

what? cm please

@EgorTensin 22 күн бұрын

Donner wrote a great book. One of my favorite stories is how he came up to somebody who lost to a player from China (it was in the second half of the last century, so China wasn't nearly as strong as it is today), and asked "How do you feel losing to a Chinaman?". Needless to say, he lost the next game to a Chinese player in the very next round. A legend of Dutch chess.

@redmardamsma7917 22 күн бұрын

One of my favorite stories in the book (actually it is a collection of his articles) is when he wrote in a feminist’s magazine that women can’t play chess. As you might imagine, he got a lot of backlash. One woman wrote, ‘next he is going to state that black men can’t play chess’. His reply was ‘This woman has not understood my point. Black men can play chess, black women can’t.’

@donsimons9810 22 күн бұрын

I guess Ben is concern trolling. I was surprised to learn of the concept of woman gms. Like, here we’ll just lower the expectations so women can get gm titles? The fact that any woman could say “sure, that works” is surprising. Like, don’t you have pride or expectations for yourself? This comment will probably gwt flagged. That’s how sad this world is, and how much I wish people like Donner didn’t have to struggle so much.

@ennerz-hq8pq 22 күн бұрын

@@donsimons9810Donner was wrong so no one listened to him. That's probably also why no one listens to you

@vigilante8374 20 күн бұрын

@@ennerz-hq8pq He's literally saying the exact same thing that Judit Polgar said, but in the 2020s black is white, up is down, egalitarianism is misogyny, and 50-IQ YT comments are voted up to +10 in response to +1 comments saying sensible, sane, egalitarian things.

@donsimons9810 18 күн бұрын

@@ennerz-hq8pq oh, lots of people agree. don't worry. women aren't going to be evolving that quickly anytime soon - you've noticed people aren't getting smarter right?

@cecilasen 22 күн бұрын

I am not dutch but according to my research a donner gets to about 75lbs and goes well with pita bread source: nutritionfacts

@Joseph-sj9uf 22 күн бұрын

Always love a good donner and some chips after a night out

@f.d.3289 22 күн бұрын

i am not dutch but a donner is an italian woman and a german thunder 😂

@patrickdaly1088 22 күн бұрын

I'm so excited for the Ben Finegold story about how what I play with white got its name. I've played the Chinese variation with 5. g4 for years, mostly from a 1.d4 2. Nc3 transposition, and score about 70% in blitz online because it's so rare and so brutal.

@MrBonified66 22 күн бұрын

Donner knew that guy's name was the Lord when he played Qxg6. Bam.

@f.d.3289 22 күн бұрын

1:48 "Donner was an oldschool person. Sooo... he was incredibly sexist, and... he was incredibly outspoken about things he didn't necessarily know about!? So he would have been perfect for Twitter." XD XD XD Ben, never change, you keep making my life better -- and my chess too :)

@f.d.3289 22 күн бұрын

@@donsimons9810 i will always encourage Ben whatever he does dude 😊

@donsimons9810 22 күн бұрын

was an expression, baby duck.

@f.d.3289 22 күн бұрын

@@donsimons9810 quack quack, at least i don't delete my cringey comments 🤣

@donsimons9810 18 күн бұрын

@@f.d.3289 at least i don't tell a random stranger they make my life better after quoting a cringey woke ATL bit of cliche metoo jargon. Get a working soul

@jogzyg2036 22 күн бұрын

His take on computers is understandable. If I was told then how far computers would advance in just a few decades I would think that whoever was talking was... Frankly, ridiculous.

@JerehmiaBoaz 16 күн бұрын

We're in almost the same position with AI now. If you want a good indication of where a technology is going don't focus on what it's capable of today, focus on how much money is being invested in its development.

@jeffreyfisher3115 22 күн бұрын

“When Bobby was about to make his 30th move, in a slightly inferior position for Donner, he touched a piece and with a sickening feeling realized it was a mistake. It clinched a draw. As Donner described it, ‘After touching the Bishop, Fischer sat for seconds with his finger on the piece desperately looking for another move. he had seen the point at the last minute-as usual, there is no other move!’ Fischer was no less than furious.” - “Bobby Fischer Profile of a Prodigy” p101

@midnightfox6378 22 күн бұрын

Donner's book The King is the best chessbook ever.

@joshuasteinke8537 11 күн бұрын

That last joke was hilarious!😂

@carneades4409 22 күн бұрын

I assume he invented the very serious and important Donner Opening: a4 e5 Ra3

@user-rx1xt2nd5e 22 күн бұрын

Didn't know it had a name but Brandon Jacobson won against Naroditsky in a 70 game match only playing this

@_nemo171 22 күн бұрын

Very suspicious!

@zlatkofelic8820 22 күн бұрын

Oh, you mean the Viih Sou opening?

@marcusevans2733 22 күн бұрын

Always sac the exchange!

@wowyaywowyaywow 21 күн бұрын

Corrections: The last game is Liu Wenzhe vs Donner, not the other way around. The last move shown was not checkmate, still Qh4, then Rxh4 is mate.

@JojenReed 22 күн бұрын

I hope the class doesn't shrink! Donner, class of 11.........wait, 10......9...8

@keithwald5349 22 күн бұрын

I consider Jan Donner to be the Jan Timman of Dutch chess.

@paulgoogol2652 22 күн бұрын

only when you have absolutely no idea about something you may talk about that on Twitter/X

@turtlesoup3624 22 күн бұрын

From wiki: Apparently Fischer declined to play in the 1st Piatigorsky Cup cuz his demand for an appearance fee of $2000 was not met. In the 2nd one, he lost 3 games straight, the last one of which was against Spassky! But then immediately won 4 straight .. eventually he finished 2nd to Spassky. Donner finished last in the tournament.

@danielolmo9 22 күн бұрын

in the last game he resigned two moves fron mate (Qh4)

@nikonyrh 22 күн бұрын

I didn't know Stephen Fry was a GM.

@jackanderson719 22 күн бұрын

Not gonna forget that last game any time soon.

@ericrobinson7184 22 күн бұрын

Damn Son, that was fun!

@sirarthurconandoyle421 20 күн бұрын

6:05 and that kid was Ben Finegold

@hamedmehrzad8814 21 күн бұрын

I agree.

@jaccocornelisschutter8895 21 күн бұрын

Leuk man 👍

@nanying7747 22 күн бұрын

Döner is to be eaten in Turkiye guys.. :)

@_nemo171 22 күн бұрын

Very suspicious lecture.

@jeffreyfisher3115 22 күн бұрын

He went to the Donner Party A free banquet that bore his name A chance to try new recipes And eat his way to fame But it’s all right now He learned his lesson well You see, you can’t feed everyone So you got to feed yourself