Greatest Kick & Snare Gate Trick Ever!
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4 жыл бұрынI saw Warren from Produce Like a Pro demonstrate this idea, so I was wondering how well it would work on fast metal drums... Here's how to get an amazing gate effect with a free compressor!
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@Producelikeapro 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much for posting! Great techniques work in all genres!!
@darlenesheffield9835 4 жыл бұрын
Freaking awesome tip!
@ProDoucher 4 жыл бұрын
It’s a great technique Warren! Thanks for teaching Glen haha
@Producelikeapro 4 жыл бұрын
@@ProDoucher haha thanks ever so much!
@Producelikeapro 4 жыл бұрын
@@darlenesheffield9835 thanks ever so much!
@alanduncan1980 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I'd use it on jazz, you lose some of the dynamics. Great for s solid backbeat though.
@Smung 4 жыл бұрын
4:07 "and it is absolutely freaking stellar. NA-"
@bigjesustrashcan 4 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment
@Khunvyel 4 жыл бұрын
What I really like in this video is that you kinda take us for the ride too, showing us that even very experienced mixers still try out new things and just follow their curiosity to check if something actually sounds better. This is testament to a good mixer who doesn't copypaste their template onto everything, making each band they mix sound alike. It's all about mixing to the style, and that often means trying out completely new tricks.
@DemonApple1982 4 жыл бұрын
Seeing this finally made sense of how the technique works! I remember trying it out years ago and it didn't make sense until I realized from watching this that even a difference in amplitude can diminish the phase cancellation. So when the compressor causes that difference to be the way the compressor makes a very precise gate!
@evilst.management8810 4 жыл бұрын
Both of you guys are great dudes. We the got the Metal dude and the Rock dude borrowing/snaking ideas from each other. I love it.
@Producelikeapro 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much! Yes, the same techniques apply all over the place, regardless of genre!!
@kcrknp 4 жыл бұрын
Incredibly helpful tip! I've been trying to mix drums using only a two input interface, recorded a combination overhead/snare to one channel, this trick allowed me to copy the overhead/snare track and isolate the snare using the ReaComp trick plus the frequency sliders at the bottom to get rid of literally ALL of the kick bleed and most of the cymbals. Amazing!
@mageprometheus 4 жыл бұрын
You can do it in Reaper without track duplicating in a single FX chain. Use the JS Channel Router /polarity to swap polarity and move the audio to channels 3+4, reaComp goes after on channels 1+2, then use the JS mixer to mix channels 1+2, 3+4.
@Memory_Blanks 4 жыл бұрын
true
@anaayres6349 3 жыл бұрын
i had put channel router/polarity (input:1+2/polarity mode: invert both/ output:3+4/output mode:replace) skipped reacomp, then 8x stereo to 1x stereo . set (level 1+2 to 0db and 3+4 to 0db) i thought we shouldn't hear anything but it's playing signal from 1+2 channel (( anyway could you describe more detailed?
@mageprometheus 3 жыл бұрын
@@anaayres6349 Yes Reapers FX routing takes a bit of experimenting until it clicks. Channel router with polarity: input:1+2/polarity mode: invert both/ output:3+4/output mode:replace Click on the plug-in pin connector button (4 in 4 out) check input channel 1 goes to JS input 1, input channel 2 to JS input 2 (so reapers audio channels 1+2 of the 64 available on every track! are connected to the plugin virtual input pins.) If there are not enough channels showing the tiny + - buttons can be used. check JS outputs 1- 4 got to channels 1-4. No other connections. 8x to 1x mixer: click 16 in 2 out button. Input channels 1-4 got to inputs 1L 1R 2L 2R Output L to channel 1 output R to channel 2. No other connections. With the faders for ch1+2 and 3+4 set to 0dB, the output is null. Let me know how you get on.
@anaayres6349 3 жыл бұрын
@@mageprometheus thank you very much! I had tried what you adviced and it worked.
@mageprometheus 3 жыл бұрын
@@anaayres6349 🎅
@davidjones3384 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic all 'round - composition, arrangement, performance, recording, and production! Also, GREAT tip - thanks!!
@chezSeans 4 жыл бұрын
nice timing, I just received some drum tracks with a lot of bleed and this cleaned them up nicely. thanks so much
@plastiktide 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks so much for this!! Can't wait to try it on a mix
@ElectronicsGuy666 3 жыл бұрын
Glenn, I watched all of your ‘How to record ____” videos before we made our last record. It was my first time recording/mixing and as the bassist I needed all the help I could get, lol. Your videos helped a TON, especially on drums. This technique is, as you might say “FREAKING GENIUS!” and I’m bookmarking it along with your other videos as we are about to start tracking our next album. Thank you!
@martindodd6045 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is a great technique! Definitely will be trying this. I've been duplicating kick and so I can side chain it to trigger my gate for years and this seems way simpler to do!
@A.J.99 4 жыл бұрын
Really cool trick! It can be even more cool on toms and kick, if you engage the side-chain EQ in the ReaComp to let the high end (which contains the most of cymbals bleed) to be released permanently, so it could clean up the sound of toms
@luisaucedo 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I saw it on his channel but didn't know how to do it on reaper, it really helped a lot
@jakeshotrosky7702 4 жыл бұрын
Such a cool trick! I saw Waren do it a couple weeks back too but it's great seeing it in this context.
@Producelikeapro 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much Jake!!
@bitdraftaudio8949 4 жыл бұрын
super awesome Tip man, thx a lot for Sharing.
@imaxeman69 4 жыл бұрын
Incredible guitar tone. Love it.
@radrecords861 3 жыл бұрын
This is genius! Thanks Glenn and Warren!
@mjtejero 3 жыл бұрын
came across these and it really does clean up the bleeding!!! thank you so much! 😀
@SpectreSoundStudios 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to be helpful!
@acidstorm001 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome trick. Gonna have to try that.
@sheppymcshep 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Glenn. Been using this trick for a few years. I recently found another “gating trick” chuck fabfilter saturn 2 (or 1). Turn the dynamics knob all the way to the left. Boom, Perfect gating.
@AlexLong98 4 жыл бұрын
Very true, saturn is a beast of a plugin
@assshakerstudios549 4 жыл бұрын
Wait huh? It's been a while since I've used Saturn. Never got into it like Decapitator or SPL's Twin Tube, etc. So don't remember that part of it. Are you being funny? Or serious to a hidden gem trick?
@sheppymcshep 4 жыл бұрын
AssShaker Studios absolutely hidden gem of a trick bud. There a small dynamics knob on it. Turn it all the way to the left. Lets ghost notes through perfectly and stops any other sounds. The beauty of it is you don’t even have to touch the saturation.
@sheppymcshep 4 жыл бұрын
AssShaker Studios kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rK6khJih25Oddp8.html I did a short demo for you.
@oscar.rangel 4 жыл бұрын
@@sheppymcshep BEST TRICK EVER!!!M THANKS FOR SHARING
@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL 4 жыл бұрын
Mix sounds killer. Love the bass tone
@alvarojesusnietoillescas8417 4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding and very inspiring trick, by chopping the signal you make it different from the phased one, I think it's so creative
@geologyjohnson7700 4 жыл бұрын
This is a really cool trick, will give this a go when I next get a chance.
@josephfish6593 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tracks I need the practice.
@choisam20 3 жыл бұрын
thank you. i wanted something like this.
@sski 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting method. I must explore this.
@sandersonstunes Ай бұрын
I've been using this trick since I saw Produce like a Pro show it. I also used it on live vocals to clean up drum bleed in post until the AI splitter tech took off.
@conors4058 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Glen, greetings from Wales, UK. I’m due to be tracking a local band in a less than ideal room ( their rehearsal space), no doubt I’ll be using this trick when it comes to the mix! Love your channel and warrens, keep up the quality content
@rhmm96 4 жыл бұрын
Really cool!
@hamfistTBHP 4 жыл бұрын
What a killer trick! I just scorched my shorts!
@eweeparker Жыл бұрын
Hey, so I ended up starting with the effects duplicated on the out of phase channel, but ended up bussing them with no effects other than the flipped phase channel with the ReaComp and did the rest of the processing on the bus channel and it worked perfectly. This way it's using the effects one time and I don't have to worry about messing the phase up if I decide to modify the effects later down the line or if I want to use it as part of a template. Thanks to you and Warren for the trick. Really saved my ass.
@_dpmusic1 2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful!!
@JordanAF808 4 жыл бұрын
taking notes... great stuff!
@kevinlentz7604 Жыл бұрын
Warren is marvellous,you are doing awesome
@nacholibre9929 4 жыл бұрын
Great tip !!
@BadMotivator66 3 жыл бұрын
what a clever idea!
@aeproductions701 4 жыл бұрын
Similar kind of thing to the parallel compression trick with 1 raw track and 1 track smashed with a compressor giving a transient designer effect. Great informative video again!
@lucasgasse 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, Glenn
@mcsstudiosunderdevelopment6257 Жыл бұрын
Love that you are at Warrens old studio doing this haha
@theomegamale5335 4 жыл бұрын
After the video I wrote a ReaScript for this that is currently pending in the ReaPack repositories. It will Duplicate your track, flip the phase, and add in ReaComp for you all you have to do is adjust your compression settings. Advanced users If you want the code you can grab it here: github.com/soodohcool/SpectreGate
@EqDior 9 ай бұрын
wow very nice trick here
@greyanaroth 3 жыл бұрын
Oh wow I'm hitting myself on the head for not thinking of this! Amazing! Thanks
@Mtaalas 4 жыл бұрын
That's clever... using compressor as a gate.... the engineer within me squeals with delight :D
@lincolnmmitchell 4 жыл бұрын
What a cool idea! Seems so obvious in hindsight!
@heavymetalmixer91 4 жыл бұрын
I've been using TDR Kotelnikov and I didn't know what was the DELTA button . . . until I saw this video. Quite a nice sounding "gate" on both the Kot and the manual ways.
@YatinSrivastavaProject 4 жыл бұрын
This is insane. The method is so simple yet I've not seen this chain of thought anywhere. A big shout out to you and Warren!
@Producelikeapro 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much!!
@squidcaps4308 4 жыл бұрын
Neat trick and it even used nulling which will always be one of my favorite techniques to do weird stuff. A trick i've learned is to stop trying to remove bleed and noise with gates completely but approach it all as attenuator instead of 100% defeat. BY far most often 12dB or even 6dB drop might be all you need. Noise or bleed that pumps in and out can be more noticeable than mere "turn it down a bit". Same goes for a lot of stuff, the 100% option is not always the best, and often just taking "most of it" away gets you to the best end result. Harkens back to the "good old days" when our gear was crap and you just could not fix everything perfectly.
@nutsosix7930 4 жыл бұрын
That's nifty lil trick
@deafconmediaZA 4 жыл бұрын
That an amazing technique, Im going to save this video for a rainy day. Ps those drums cut through really nice and Ive been having a blast with Reaper lately too. Thanks for all the great advise.
@spandexcore 4 жыл бұрын
Raven I just tried it out on a mix works like a charm
@deafconmediaZA 4 жыл бұрын
@@spandexcore Hey Sean. Hope you well dude. Yes, sounds so excellent in the mix.
@jackderipper1623 3 жыл бұрын
FYI, if you download his reaper project it has the compressors on the wrong phase. You want to compress the flipped phase channel. That way you are subtracting more or less of the flipped phase, leaving the correct phase. It is correct in the video.
@rars0n 4 жыл бұрын
You can tell that Warren is a cool dude when he hangs out with guys like Glenn. Honestly, I think Warren has probably forgotten more than most of us ever knew. But he also probably has the mindset of learning something from everyone around him.
@Producelikeapro 4 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks ever so much Adam! That's very kind of you! I'm glad to be able to help!
@damirvukelic8087 2 жыл бұрын
What's Warren's last name? Or yt channel?
@pablolachmann7044 4 жыл бұрын
For the snare bleed on the bass drum mic, try setting low pass on the ReaGate to 30Hz when gating the signal.
@bjornlakenstrazen2186 4 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. Why didn't i already think of this? haha
@atofalese 4 жыл бұрын
Saw it a few days earlier, it's a cool trick . I wish i know it before,it would have made my life easier😭
@JMRSplatt 3 жыл бұрын
Ahhh one of the last videos where Glenn is nearly 100% anti sample.. love it.. This has aged like a fine wine.
@mfkrwill 4 жыл бұрын
Somehow I don't understand what's going on with the trick, but also do get the main concept. Either way it sounds dope and im saving this for the future
@Normala-music 4 жыл бұрын
You can use Waves studio rack, or blue cat patchwork, so that you can blend them there and have it only on snare bus. Less tracks and clutter. Tried this technique several times but didn't hear it being any better than well adjusted gate though. But cool thing to try for sure.
@compoundaudio 4 жыл бұрын
😮 nice
@themetalicarus0284 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, wish I'd seen this before blowing 100 bucks on Oxford drum gate!
@DaviFJ 4 жыл бұрын
Changed my life
@just_Josh1117 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Glenn, a video on how to make your music loud without destroying the mix. Mastering tips and tricks. Cheers.
@jsraudio 4 жыл бұрын
this is how a gate physically works, with an infinite ratio you will get a gate and the way you're doing it works as an expander
@thesoundresidence 4 жыл бұрын
Used to be an old de-esser "trick", splitting the vocal to 2 channels/faders on the console. Then eq it to leave only the sibilant part remaining... Then flip the polarity and bring up the fader to taste.... And can of corse be tuned to any offending frequency ;)
@J2Metal 4 жыл бұрын
Glenn! I’d love for you to do a course on thrash metal recording and mixing. Thrash is alive and well and also tends to be in the “higher” tunings like Eb and D and I’d be interested to see how you setup recording for guitars without the thudding low strings and more trem picking on an E. Or would it defer at all? Either way as a thrash guy trying to record I’d love to see how you handle the non-downtuned guitars both during recording and during mixing.
@evilst.management8810 4 жыл бұрын
The gate sounds good.
@ProDoucher 4 жыл бұрын
Used to do a similar technique live on drummers that sing
@reeread 4 жыл бұрын
Glenn, This is great! I have decided to use part of this technique On all your future videos by streaming 2 Duplicate videos Simultaneously so they cancel out each other‘s audio and I no longer have to listen to your voice. What a huge improvement! Thanks again Glenn
@grsfhhytff 4 жыл бұрын
The tune sounds very Motorhead!
@bluubloodra12 4 жыл бұрын
With guitars 🔥
@sonidodemoniacostudios7752 4 жыл бұрын
if you have an fx chain already (for example on toms in the video), just make another track and send post fader the signal, and the new track will be receiving that, then you flip the phase on the new track and add the compresor, in the case you dont need that plugin (infinistrip) been duplicated
@jorrickthole6505 4 жыл бұрын
Is this an "old school" trick for gating, as in 80s style? It gives things a more natural feel. Amazing method. Props to Warren 🤘💀🤘
@Producelikeapro 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much Jorrick!
@kingkrollinvention 4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought about compressing and limiting after you gate the snare or kick? Gate is the first thing I do and I don't get any bleed
@Gainovermg 4 жыл бұрын
Odd shootout request: C214 vs the Lewitt on bottom snare.
@blodar6golf 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Glenn! It would be cool if you did a video on how your sessions sound without any plugins or stuff like that, just some panning and levels to see what your starting point is. I think that could be helpful to a lot of people (including me) to hear what you think a good recording sounds like, just a thought! Keep up the good work and fuck you from a long time swedish fan! Drums sounding killer btw \m/
@CrushingAxes 4 жыл бұрын
Warren is a Wizard !
@Producelikeapro 4 жыл бұрын
You're very kind! You Rock!
@davidcoatlcontzin5753 4 жыл бұрын
I still remember when that guy from thomann said "it is so good to be here with such a beatiful man" when you have this badass attitude, your rection was so epicly awkward
@kibagami25 4 жыл бұрын
This is great. Please make a video about recording the best vocals as well. I've been trying to use Reaper for Audio Recording but can't figure out how to clear out the background noises. I love that sounds proof room effect short of building a sound proof room.
@diegodeltoro5190 4 жыл бұрын
A little complicated. It really depends on what type of background noise you have. Maybe try the Waves X-Noise plugin, is really good and easy to use plus it helps with a lot of types of background noise. If money is a issue, internet can help you find the way to get it xd. Best of luck!
@kibagami25 4 жыл бұрын
@@diegodeltoro5190 I'm using an audiobox usb presonus interface with an audio technica P48 mic. The background noise are the fans or any little whisper from people. So i am thinking that my sensitivity is just too high but if i turn that down, i can barely hear the audio during play back. i check my speakers and i've used other computers is just too low. I'm a noob at this and trying to learn lol thanks for the advice.
@tragicallymalicious1 4 жыл бұрын
Produce like a Pro has great content on mixing techniques.
@Producelikeapro 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much Scott! You Rock!
@sweetfoampunishment3286 4 жыл бұрын
Do you share your room with Warren Huart...
@Fanafranky 4 жыл бұрын
Yeeep, ben doing that for a year or 2, combine that with a bit of Drumatom Drum Leveler & Boz Transgressor and I can pretty much salvage anything
@AlbertodeVictoria 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the reagate es awesome; but this is another way to understand phase and compression. Thanks
@vodalavoid 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I mostly don't understand it in this context. The phase canceling makes sense, and then when the compressor is on one track it makes sense that the difference between the two signals is what I'm hearing - the compressor creating that difference. But I don't get how that tosses out the bleed audio since that's compressed along with everything else. What am I missing?
@jrclarkbass 4 жыл бұрын
That's really interesting that that happens that way. It makes sense in the analog world that when things are opposite phase wise that they canceled each other out. That's physics and it's science. The one thing that baffles me, just thinking about it, is what happens inside the box and that data stream? Does phase cancellation happen in the digital realm because of physics or because it's mimicking physics? I suppose I could Google this and make myself smart but then again what fun would that be? 😁 I'm a recent subscriber and really enjoy all the videos you've been making. Some of these are hilarious! Excellent work!
@corym8374 4 жыл бұрын
One cool thing with this trick that you can do too is to put a hipass before the compressor and it will only phase cancel everything above your filter. Everything filtered out will no longer phase cancel the main track. You can adjust the filter so its only phase canceling the cymbals and leaving the low end alone if you find this trick is taking things a little too far with the hard gated sound. Sorry if I explained this poorly lmao. Fuck you Glen!
@rudolfbaethge282 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Glenn!. That is a very cool technique. New to Reaper here and like the idea of using the tools it has. I have a question not related to the topic you share. I see you have a a channel named "white noise" before the Tom1 track, what is that for? Have a basic understanding of the white noise concept but wonder its use in the mix. Tks!
@soiluberalles 2 жыл бұрын
Have been looking high and low for answers to a question of mine: should i buy a lewitt 440 pure for bottom mic, couldn't find an answer and it was a daunting proposition Found the answer in a 2 year old video Absolutely awesome!
@danshathra 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Do you recommend using the power supply with the Baby Face Pro? I'm using mine bus powered, but wondered what the advantage is for using it with a power supply.
@IntoTheForest 4 жыл бұрын
I definitely need to try this. Problem is, I always like more sustain from my snare tracks, so when it opens up, the cymbals come through. So what I’ve been doing is using a multi-band compressor and using it to gate only at around 5k and above with a fast release, then using a normal gate with a slower release so the note of the snare can still come through more. Thoughts on this gating process?
@scubasteve29388 3 жыл бұрын
Snare is good but those guitars!! What's the signal chain on the rhythm?
@AvatarofRogue 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man, Beginnerquestion here. How do i run a Hybrid System? How is the Routing out of the DAW into analog Gear, Pedals ect and back into the Software? What do i need and why? I'm on Cubase, but i guess it kinda works the same in any DAW to some point.
@WalterdaLima 7 ай бұрын
yes ok, I do the same but it kill ghost note on snare. to raising them up inevitably hi hat and kick comes out. did I do something's wrong?
@Phllm 4 жыл бұрын
Would you use drum leveller before this so the threshold stays the same?
@octaviohenrique.n 6 ай бұрын
how do you guys use this technique in the processing? You double the raw tracks and add effects in the one which appears? or does it only work in the end of the chain?
@nfijef 4 жыл бұрын
Any opinions on how the Infinity strip compares to similar offerings from Slate, Waves, UAD etc? They claim zero latency but would that depend on interface, CPU etc?
@julesnominal1804 3 жыл бұрын
how are you getting this layout with the effects above the channel mixer? I'm new to reaper. I'll search your other videos
@vedasticks 4 жыл бұрын
how are you gettting your average levels hovering around zero on master bus. with my mixes i always seem to be hitting plus 6 after ived used limiter to get things 0. ill get pulses regularly that move the vu meter to plus 6 rather than just floating at 0
@user-ew3fc5rf7b 10 ай бұрын
I'm wondering how it works on blast beats and ghost notes, let's try)
@friggenjoe4092 4 жыл бұрын
Could you use gated reverb on drums for a metal application? I'm not sure if it's been done before or not so I'm kinda curious 🥴
@fuckcensorship69 Жыл бұрын
depends on what you call metal....the 80s "metal" bands did a lot. as far as modern stuff, i think people tend to use triggers and samples more if they want that sound, but i could be wrong. Black Tongue has a huge drum sound, but im 90% sure they're using triggers
@ExaggeratedDread 4 жыл бұрын
What's the advantage to using a gate?
@omegaelixir 4 жыл бұрын
Marshall JVM410H review plzz
@TheFuneralFrog 4 жыл бұрын
this is probably the best drum sound ive heard on this channel
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