"Salt" Batteries are FINALLY Here?! Sooo should you use them?
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In this video we will be having a look at the possible future of battery technology, sodium-ion batteries. Unlike lithium batteries, the material of sodium batteries is much easier to find and thus cheaper and more environmental friendly. I was finally able to find some on AliExpress. Now the question is whether those are real and how they compare to more traditional lithium batteries. Let's find out!
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0:00 Salt Batteries?
1:40 Intro
2:41 Is Sodium-Ion Real??
3:10 Charge/Discharge Curve
5:13 Pros/Cons of Charge/Discharge Curve
6:25 Energy Density of Sodium-Ion
7:37 How to Charge them?
8:27 Battery Management System?
8:59 Maximum Input/Output Power?
10:10 Safety?
10:59 Cycle Life?
11:30 Verdict
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Small correction that was not clear in the video. I said that the discharge/charge curve for Li-Ion, LiPo and LFP (LiFePo4) is about the same. That is not completely true since LFP or LiFePo4 comes with lower voltage levels. But their voltage does also not drop that much. It is pretty flat across the whole discharge region. This is what I was trying to say.
@takipsizad 2 ай бұрын
also there is a betterhelp sponsorship in the subtitles
@th1nhhdk 2 ай бұрын
@@takipsizadI'm glad that he removed ít because BetterHelp is a scam
@havocking9224 2 ай бұрын
How can this comment be 10 days old ? :D
@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu 2 ай бұрын
@@havocking9224video was probably pre-released 10 days ago.
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
@@takipsizad Fixed. Sorry about that.
@dougle03 2 ай бұрын
Nice to see a new battery tech video not filling with fluff and marketing hype. Just the numbers and graphs... This is what we want! Simple information well presented without the guff... Well done.
@FBPrepping 2 ай бұрын
That's why I subscribed to this dude.
@wesselsi3791 2 ай бұрын
Yeah this dude’s channel is a real gem. He also did a test on “is using fast charging bad” he really puts in the effort to get the data
@emocee 2 ай бұрын
"That's assault!" "No, it's battery."
@jimmybrad156 2 ай бұрын
So, Dium was salty about going back in his cell.
@happycolours8551 2 ай бұрын
No, it's assault battery
@jimmybrad156 2 ай бұрын
@@happycolours8551 don't get madammy cause I didn't charge ya battery..
@balintgalambos691 2 ай бұрын
Sodium burns more violent and reacts more with water
@husc7775 2 ай бұрын
NaCl NaOH The base is under a salt.
@robertdascoli949 2 ай бұрын
Nice to see sodium batterers leaving the lab and making it to production. This will be a game changer in home and grid storage where space isn't always an issue but cost and lifespan is.
@Alias_Anybody 12 күн бұрын
Honestly, I think it's the future for anything battery powered that's larger than a notebook. Even if it never reaches the same energy density, the potentially far better price (and rarity of Lithium) plus the lower risk of fires and explosions probably makes them better for EVs too, because range is less important than replacement cost and safety.
@carbonstar9091 2 ай бұрын
Sounds great for large static installations like houses. Maybe not so great for power tools and high performance applications.
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Yes, exactly
@platin2148 2 ай бұрын
@@greatscottlab Let's see if the market actually goes in that direction. Would be great to get cheap home energy storage for my solar. Well maybe I bit more difficult as I have around 800V output with 16A..
@kelvin1316 2 ай бұрын
Which keeps the expensive Lithium for those batteries that really need it.
@andreasdill4329 2 ай бұрын
Power tools where totally fine with way worse NiCd and NiMh Cells for ~30 years.
@reaganharder1480 2 ай бұрын
@@andreasdill4329totally useable, yes, but anyone working with them all day definitely notices the difference Li-ion makes. Maybe someday environmentally concious contractors will end up preferring sodium batteries for their drills and will just keep more of them on hand (and perhaps the better cycle endurance will make it actually a good investment), but yeah, lots of folks running cordless tools are already outrunning the single charge capacity of Li-ion.
@chemputer 2 ай бұрын
Calling them salt batteries is going to annoy all the chemists in the audience.
@microcolonel Ай бұрын
That's a great reason to do it.
@CLOUDCHASER510 Ай бұрын
@Chemputer they left 30 seconds in, as soon as they heard battawee 😮
@utrak Ай бұрын
chemists: BAN ASSALT BATTERIES
@justinjja2 Ай бұрын
He put “salt” is quotes, that makes it ok lol.
@treschlet Ай бұрын
I'ma call them "dechlorinated salt batteries"
@ctbrahmstedt 2 ай бұрын
I was just watching a video, I think from Big Clive, where he put a schottky diode in series with a lipo during charging with a standard lipo charger, and the 0.3V drop kept the battery
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Haha yep. That sounds like a easy hack. Not 100% safe, but probably good enough.
@eiv-gaming 2 ай бұрын
@@greatscottlabWell, thats Big Clive in a nutshell :D
@TotesCray 2 ай бұрын
Will it carbonate? What's inside this battery? (Fire apparently)
@Wegetsignal 2 ай бұрын
Hope this technology grows!
@volvo09 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, as long as the diode doesn't short it's a decent hack. If it shorts then you have a slight overcharge.
@walker1054 2 ай бұрын
Home battery storage will be awesome for these since size isn't a big concern, same for businesses. Like if a Tesla Powerwall was twice as big for the same capacity but 25% cheaper and you know it's made using cleaner materials which we'll never run out of, and ideally not* gathered by workers in unreasonable conditions, then yeah I'd choose that version of the power wall for sure! Hopefully they start coming to market within a couple of years. Sodium should hopefully be able to be mined for cheap in enough quantities in USA and EU too within having to rely on imports.
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Love your conclusion. Hopefully it will work out this way :-)
@realdragon 2 ай бұрын
Also safety is very important, I don't want my house to spontaneously combust because of battery
@drdca8263 2 ай бұрын
I think you left out a “not”; I don’t think you meant “ideally gathered by workers in unreasonable conditions”.
@justme5384 2 ай бұрын
I have almost unlimited space so cutting the price for a larger battery is no problem for me
@rocketboysmc 2 ай бұрын
"and ideally gathered by workers in unreasonable conditions" hmmmm not sure if that is what you ment
@Reversed82 2 ай бұрын
i replaced the battery in my offgrid cabin with prismatic sodium ion cells already, works great. i used a JK-BMS and just configured it for the parameters of the sodium ion cells. comes with the great advantage of being able to charge in low temps as low as -10°C which lifepo4 can't do, but still it's as safe as lifepo4. i just used a random buck/boost module to boost the voltage if it drops too low for the consumers
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Awesome to hear.
@stevebabiak6997 2 ай бұрын
“… up to -10C …” or “as low as -10C …” The former sounds as if lower is a possibility.
@Reversed82 2 ай бұрын
@@stevebabiak6997 "as low as -10°C", bad wording, not a native speaker :D
@seditt5146 2 ай бұрын
Take the materials inside and place it in a flame. If its Red flame its Lithium, if its Yellow, its Sodium. Simple. Hell you could place a tiny flake on the stove and it will tell you all you need to know.
@someguy9520 2 ай бұрын
So many bots on your video unfortunately. Reported them all, hope it helps
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
I blocked them. But thanks :-)
@tin2001 2 ай бұрын
Ironically, the comments saying "so many bots" are starting to sound a bit bot-like lately. I see very very similarly worded comments everywhere now. Never mentioning the channel or video topic. Just "bots everywhere, I reported". Not saying any of them definitely are bots, but it's just weird how similar they all end up being.
@thookie118 2 ай бұрын
@@tin2001bots will often copy real comments to sound more real.
@Snugggg 2 ай бұрын
@@thookie118 its a fascinating topic, if not a little bit frightening at times. There is so much inauthentic commenting on all social media now. Companies that you can pay to push an agenda on social media. There's a great documentary podcast on the subject, that gets into the thick of fake social media campaigns. "who trolled amber heard?".
@alenasenie6928 2 ай бұрын
@@Snugggg I am sure we could make bots that had content pertinent comments, we have the tech, but it is probably to expensive to run them right now, and I am ambivalent, I want the tech to be easily accessible, but I don't want it to be so hard to distinguish from real people (you can feed videos to LLMs, then add comments from real people and create new ones that are on topic but are generated, use the like to dislike ratio to learn what works, they don't need to copy comments at that point)
@salemthekit6143 2 ай бұрын
I really appreciate this video, but I do want to give a minor correction. You mentioned in the beginning how no channels were doing sodium ion testing but Off-Grid Garage has a fantastic series where he put these batteries through the ringer and put up a ton of data on them. I highly recommend checking him out if you get the chance!
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@michaeltempsch5282 2 ай бұрын
Julian Illett has done a couple of videos on them too.
@BobHannent 2 ай бұрын
Yes, Julian Illett was probably the first person to make a YT video about these cells. It's frustrating when people claim to be first of anything without correctly researching their claim.
@salemthekit6143 2 ай бұрын
@@BobHannent I don't necessarily blame anyone for missing them. I had to search for a while before I was randomly recommended them from the algorithm
@BobHannent 2 ай бұрын
@@salemthekit6143 if you don't have an exclusive then I'd generally say it's dangerous to assume you're first in anything.
@jamescampbell6728 2 ай бұрын
I think these have A LOT of potential. But everyone has been waiting for the "revolutionary new battery technology" and that likely isn't going to happen. We will likely rely on a wide range of technologies for different use cases that will prevent over-reliance on certain materials. Like lithium (Good vid!)
@reaganharder1480 2 ай бұрын
Quite frankly we are running out of options for "a revolutionary new battery technology". Lithium was sorta that. Sodium batteries do solve a lot of the problems with Lithium batteries though, just with a bit of a performance hit.
@diogocarvalho2934 2 ай бұрын
Graphene might be it, but it's probably going to be on the timeline that everything graphene operates in... Reminds me of fusion
@winonesoon9771 2 ай бұрын
There's to many huge huge companies out there like gas and oil or what ever like that.... They want there money and really good batteries would destroy them.....
@ethzero 2 ай бұрын
"I think these have A LOT of potential" - Well, they are batteries! *ba dum tish*
@michaeljay6349 2 ай бұрын
We've had multiple 'revolutionary new battery technologies'... Lithium-based chemistries have replaced NiCA. If "salt' batteries mass produce well, they will likely replace Lead Acid... I mean, batteries are still going to be batteries, no matter how much lighter and smaller they get.
@rokas69 2 ай бұрын
Love seeing battery evolve. The lithium ones are good but it feels like you are handling a tnt every time you work with them😂. Btw good video!
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Yes, I know what you mean. If you handle them correctly, nothing bad usually happens. But I witnessed some cells going nuclear. Not a fun sight.
@igorordecha 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I've also seen some research that said (some) sodium batteries could be discharged to 0V and not get permanently damaged. If that were the case we could discharge all the cells with a resistor or something, spot weld the pack together, solder wires, connectors etc without any risk of shorting anything and then, when everything's in place, we could charge the pack. (yes, i've briefly shorted out a 13s pack when soldering an xt60 connector. The heatshrink wrap that was covering up one lead broke and part of my soldering iron tip has vaporized. It was only 40-something volts. Can't imagine a short at 600V) Extrapolating that, working on EVs with sodium batteries would be much safer
@balintgalambos691 2 ай бұрын
Sodium is more reactive than lithium. So bigger tnt.
@EShirako 2 ай бұрын
The fun starts when you drop a li-ion pouch-style battery and dent the corner of it when it lands. It was my first unintentional battery fire! \o/ It's not as bad as TNT, but they do keep you VERY mindful of what you might do wrong with them.
@jimg5669 2 ай бұрын
Why do y'all hate Roman Candles? 😆😆😆
@APainfulMemory 2 ай бұрын
Also another thing to remember is that the max capacity of sodium-ion batteries will likely increase in the future like what happened with lithium-ion batteries.
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
True true
@luelou8464 2 ай бұрын
Not sure it will be so dramatic, these have already had a huge amount of development put into them to get them to a comercially viable state, they're probably figured out all most of the posible gains. I can belive that they'll cheaper, but not so much higher capacity.
@PJ-oe6eu 2 ай бұрын
@@luelou8464 Yea they are about as old as lithium ion batteries.
@APainfulMemory 2 ай бұрын
@@luelou8464 fair, I just like think positively about the future of technology.
@APainfulMemory 2 ай бұрын
@@PJ-oe6eu lithium batteries were first being worked on in the 60s and have had continuous devoplment whereas sodium batteries were first being worked on in the 70s and mostly shelved in the late 80s until the 2010s. Source: a few minutes on Wikipedia so i could be way off.
@madcow3417 2 ай бұрын
I put together a sodium ion power tool battery. The voltage drops a lot while running (internal resistance). For a car tire pump it's not too bad because it works at a lower temperature, so I can leave it sitting in my car in the winter. It's definitely a lot larger (physically) battery than the li-ion equivalent. I don't plan on making any more power tool batteries out of sodium ion. I'm thinking of making an off-grid solar panel system for my garage specifically to charge an electric car, and as an emergency (extension cord) backup for the house. With the lower temperature capability and a lower price than LFP, and longer cycle life than Li-Ion, I plan on using sodium for this project.
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Great to hear some practical experience :-)
@daveh7720 2 ай бұрын
Good to know the sodium chemistry tolerates lower temperatures. Thanks! I think sodium will have a place in bulk energy storage where volume and mass aren't critical, charge management system costs are acceptable, and safety is important. (Home storage system like you envision, and vehicles.) Prices of the cells should come down as production ramps up, especially once competition between manufacturers starts up.
@SpencerPaire 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! People that take on the cost and risk of such new technology make the whole world better. Best of luck with the solar project!
@PJ-oe6eu 2 ай бұрын
@@daveh7720 Not sure about vehicles as mass and volume are generally pretty important for those.
@daveh7720 2 ай бұрын
@@PJ-oe6euI think auto manufacturers would be willing to trade an extra 15-20% weight and volume for power storage that costs 10% of what lithium does.
@levigillis3475 2 ай бұрын
I think what i love most is the safety, this might just be a very good battery for DIY projects. No longer feeling like holding a grenade fearing it will blow up and light your house on fire when connecting the wires :D
@Sylvan_dB 2 ай бұрын
Andy @Off-Grid Garage has been doing some significant testing of sodium batteries (not cells so much). The wider voltage range and sinking discharge curve compared to the nearly flat curve of LiFePO4 is rather a problem until/unless off grid electronics is designed for the wider voltage range.
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the information.
@cygil1 2 ай бұрын
For consumer devices and off grid use, yes. For energy storage of Solar, Wind etc. this is very encouraging news..
@Sylvan_dB 2 ай бұрын
@@cygil1 I specifically mentioned off-grid. I'd like to see a comparison between these commercial sodium ion batteries and the classic nickel-iron batteries. Sodium-ion have a similar wide voltage range disadvantage but if these are not using nickel then cost (at least short term) would favor sodium-ion. (some sodium ion chemistries also use nickel but many do not) Nickel-iron is an old and wonderfully robust and durable chemistry for stationary applications. Nickel isn't cheap and energy density is low. Wide voltage range (similar to sodium-ion) was also an impediment. However the batteries are capable of daily heavy cycling for decades then a flush and cleaning of the anode and cathode and refill with fresh lye (electrolyte) and they are good to go again for decades more. Con-Ed in New York used 100 year old nickel-iron batteries for load management on their D.C. grid until just a few years ago. Some old installations were also used after the D.C. grid was shut down by doing local rectification to power a facility grid, with surges handled by the batteries.
@Margen67 2 ай бұрын
Owls need HUGS
@matthewcovington2699 2 ай бұрын
My capstone project was on this exact subject. I really like how you laid out the information for your video! Battery advancements are going crazy these days.
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it and thanks for the feedback :-)
@betterl8thannvr 2 ай бұрын
Great video! You missed temperature as well. For outdoor installations (weather stations, solar powered meshtastic, etc) sodium batteries can be charged and discharged down to -20c, whereas lithium does not like to be charged much below 0c and has issues with discharge when cold as well.
@steveroberts1861 2 ай бұрын
They will be great for house installations.
@Breakfast_of_Champions 2 ай бұрын
Anything where volume and weight isn't so important is going to get taken over by this.
@husc7775 2 ай бұрын
Only if the price will drop a lot currently is around 400$/kwh I was able to build my LFP battery 5 kwh for 500 dolars( i was hunting on aliexpres for a very long time) with bms which is around 100$/kwh but you can pretty easlit get it for 150$ without hunting. Due to bigger volume, lover power delivery, lover number of cycles than LFP and i think because of operating voltage range they will have lover effincincy in converting DC to AC their price would need to drop to 50-75 $/ kwh or even lover to make them have sense which is between 6 to 8 times cheaper than curently.
@perdonomai8060 2 ай бұрын
Nice! When calculating the W/$ should really consider also the life of the battery. Natron Energy's bluepack claims 50-100K cycles so if you buy 100Kw lithium for home storage you will need to replace it every 5-10 years while with sodium probably you will never need to replace it.
@Hellsong89 2 ай бұрын
Never? Pretty sure it was said the sodium has bit more charge cycles, not infinite amount. Also for safety we shall see what happens to battery packs that are in practical situations abused and end of their life or in extreme power draw. While not having fire just battery flying from released gasses is better, not combine that to hundreds of cells. We shall then see if garage door gets yeeted out if whole pack goes boom.
@perdonomai8060 2 ай бұрын
@@Hellsong89 "never" was for 50-100K cycles for bluepack that I've mention. Generally, sodium research so far mentions about long life cycle, safety, ~100% DoD and fast charge/discharge. All those are still on papers but theoretically can be achieved. It's still early for sodium but it is really promising. I agree that the results matter but we will need time to see them.
@brucey5585 Ай бұрын
😂which lithium are you talking about? Lfp battery are more commonly used for home storage and those are rated at 4000 - 5000 cycles to 80%. It will take you 13 years to get 5000 cycle and still have 80% of the battery available. Your salt battery is not even proven in the real world yet and you are claiming charging forever.
@perdonomai8060 Ай бұрын
@@brucey5585 It's not my salt battery :P What research claims is that sodium can reach much more cycles than lithium. Also told you that Natron Energy's bluepack already claims 50-100K cycles. For a new house (let's say 50-100 years house life) will need to buy batteries 10 times to be able to support it. With sodium you will never need to buy a battery again.
@BradenJohnYoung 2 ай бұрын
Love this sort of content man. Thank you for keeping the consumers informed with honest tests and unbiased opinions 🙂
@Zylenxx 2 ай бұрын
finally i can use the salt of my enemies to power my own home
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Haha
@kimchristensen2175 2 ай бұрын
That would be asSalt and battery! 🤣
@hedgehog3180 2 ай бұрын
Rome made a grave mistake when they salted Carthage.
@blubglub 2 ай бұрын
extracting the sodium from a corpse to power your house is so metal oml
@SchemingGoldberg 2 ай бұрын
Create robot to slay your enemies, extract the sodium from their blood, use sodium to forge new batteries, repeat.
@Drjtherrien 2 ай бұрын
The number of charge cycles is very impressive! One big problem that sodium batteries faced was that the larger size of the sodium ion would lead to greater expansion when the ions intercalate (move into the space between carbon layers) into the graphite. This would lead to the graphite breaking and parts of it then being electrically isolated and thus no longer active in the battery. It's very cool that they found a way to avoid this. I just hope that this is not why they have higher internal resistance because that may mean that the resistance cannot be reduced without sacrificing the battery longevity.
@rasimbot 2 ай бұрын
What about a flame color test?
@michal_king478 2 ай бұрын
gotta point out I love how you neatly draw stuff on printed graphs etc in the video instead of just showing us a slide show or something. Its a nice touch and adds to the experience
@TechnischesDiesUndDas 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing some facts and measurements about this new technology to your attention. Always like the style you present the things based on repeatable methodology.
@stefans9990 2 ай бұрын
Great Video - thank you!. Can only hope that this get to mass production quickly. Just a quick thing and apologies if I perhaps missed it, but how did the weight compare?
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
There is a Wh/kg chart in the video. Pause the video to have a closer look. I think the cell was around 40g.
@bennyloodts5497 2 ай бұрын
Great video! Now… the waiting game 😅
@Mrgaton 2 ай бұрын
I love this type of video testing new technologies
@strayling1 2 ай бұрын
What's the self-discharge rate like for the sodium cells? You didn't mention it so I expect it's fine, but I'm interested to know anyway.
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Well, I didn't test for that and the datasheet also has nothing to say about it. Let's see if that will be a problem for them in the future.
@smoothbraindetainer 2 ай бұрын
@@greatscottlabtest it! Put some aside and measure the voltage once a month
@user-mv6fv6eh2i 2 ай бұрын
I am quite pyrophobic. that has really been keeping me from experimenting with lithium batteries. I truly hope this technology will improve soon, and we can truly have safe batteries.
@balintgalambos691 2 ай бұрын
Sodium is more reactive than lithium so less safe
@user-mv6fv6eh2i 2 ай бұрын
@@balintgalambos691 from what I have seen, sodium batteries don't explode like lithium ones (much smaller fire), and they are far more resistant to temperature change..
@balintgalambos691 2 ай бұрын
@@user-mv6fv6eh2i then learn about alkali metals. Lithium is the least reactive, sodium is more reactive, then potassium, and rubidium. Lithium never exploded by its own, it exploded due water and sodium is mor reactive with water.
@shepardpolska 2 ай бұрын
@@balintgalambos691 There is very little actual lithium in lithium-ion batteries anyway. The reason they catch fire is their high energy density and flammable electrolyte. When the battery gets damaged, it heats up enough to ignite the boiling electrolyte. It has nothing to do with lithium reactivity. I would guess sodium batteries don't do this because they have lower energy density, higher internal resistance and an electrolyte that is harder to ignite
@benjaminhennequart5018 2 ай бұрын
@@balintgalambos691 @shepardpolska There is no lithium or sodium in their metallic forms in such batteries hence the specific element in use is unimportant. What makes a battery dangerous is (as mentioned by @shepardpolska) is the amount of energy stored. These sodium ion cells have lower energy density and therefore are less dangerous than the Li-ion ones. Another example are the LiFePO4-based (LFP) batteries. Although using lithium ions, their energy density is much lower than typical Li-ion batteries (NMC based) and are therefore also less dangerous to handle.
@SpanishJohn 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Scott, video as informative as always. Keep going!
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Thank you :-)
@ninadtaralekar 2 ай бұрын
Great comparison with all aspects required to know 👍. Thank you
@spedi6721 2 ай бұрын
How about self-discharge?
@greatscottlab 2 ай бұрын
Well, I didn't test for that and the datasheet also has nothing to say about it. Let's see if that will be a problem for them in the future.
@4203105 2 ай бұрын
Sodium is not a salt...
@niloyck2540 2 ай бұрын
No shit genius
@4203105 2 ай бұрын
@@niloyck2540 If it's such a no-brainer, why did the guy who made this video get it wrong multiple times?
@metaleggman18 2 ай бұрын
@@4203105 because they're colloquially called salt batteries since anytime sodium is brought up, people think of sodium chloride.
@4203105 2 ай бұрын
@@metaleggman18 That's nice. It's still wrong. Maybe if we start correcting people instead of always making excuses, they'll eventually get it correct.
@benjaminhennequart5018 2 ай бұрын
@@4203105 I have studied batteries for the past 5 years, trust me there are lots of inaccuracies and oversights. However, simplification is essential for reaching larger crowds and making the tech hyped and people interested in science. This is scientific dissemination. The way people like you correct scientific inaccuracies of dissemination content makes science look unattainable and only for insiders. It devalues the science for the public and feeds the feeling of distrust toward scientist. Sodium is not salt, just like silicon is not sand but if it can capture the public for them to understand on the surface and get interested, that's worthwhile.
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@mschwage Ай бұрын
Great stuff, Great Scott! I will see you… next time!!!
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Who is watching great great Scott from india
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From Sri Lanka. Close enough ;-)
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Depends on the vpn
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Brazil 😮
@killtrocity6857 2 ай бұрын
Probably from a call center 😅😅
@techtechnicalgaming 2 ай бұрын
Mee
@MenkoDany 2 ай бұрын
I agree, these would be ideal for cheap large solar battery arrays
@jpwillm5252 2 ай бұрын
Very good explanations. Finally a well-conducted test on this new battery. -- Très bonnes explications. Enfin un test bien mené sur cette nouvelle batterie.
@TheDeeStain Ай бұрын
It is so interesting how the process has always been the same high level with anodes and cathodes just finding different materials to do the same chemical process. Thanks for the vid!
@arduinomaster7334 2 ай бұрын
WOW these batteries look very interesting Thank you a lot for covering thiw new tech
@petar7790 2 ай бұрын
I really liked it how you measured the length of the battery with the metall calipers and not shorting it. 7:02 I can see myself doing that mistake once.
@mememe37 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the subtitles!
@prince3121 2 ай бұрын
A great comparison and explanation video. As a Solar Generation and LiPo battery user, I have heard about the Sodium batteries, but never investigated myself. I think as the technology matures, it will definitely become cheaper and more efficient.
@adam_fakes 2 ай бұрын
I really like the the hand drawn diagrams. really nice to watch
@ArisoftHunter 2 ай бұрын
New technology of battery for airsoft. I'll test these. Thanks for the tip 😉
@crimsama2451 Ай бұрын
Im STILL waiting for the graphite batteries i heard about a year or two ago but im glad to see this is TRULY on the market and out in peoples hands. When this gets cheap(dont see why it wont), ill be using these as part of an outdoor solar panel greenhouse project.
@koekje00005 2 ай бұрын
Super interested in seeing where this'll go! So many enviromental, safety and social benefits here
@Vysair 2 ай бұрын
I can see this being great for basic home "appliances" like remote control
@BrickfordCityFire 2 ай бұрын
Great video, looking forward to seeing Na-Ion batteries become more and more popular. I'd definetly love to use them in my projects once they become more main stream.
@harrkev 2 ай бұрын
Once the price drops, these are going to be amazing for home battery systems.
@chrismusso69 Ай бұрын
These will be great for long term use and large-scale applications where space isn't an issue like a powerwall or electric generator etc.
@gerrimilner9448 2 ай бұрын
really interesting, my physics is really rusty, but you explained so clearly
@ezg8448 Ай бұрын
Finally, it's nice to see actual sodium batteries available and not just some upcoming news. What it's currently capable of at commercial scale and possibly it's future potential. Hope to see a more head to head comparison video in the future.
@herzogsbuick 2 ай бұрын
that is the cutest little hack saw i ever did see!
@Eapancotech 2 ай бұрын
I am so exited and same should all be for the better future
@user-kt2hb8xr3p 2 ай бұрын
thank you teacher❤❤❤ Great job, thank you brother. You are so talented
@HAXZingTERR0R 2 ай бұрын
you are correct with the comparison of LFP and Na-ion. that’s the strategy cell suppliers are marketing for. the first run of these are going to be in large stationary energy storage arrays where you need good cycle life but not high rate charge or discharge.
@twardnw 2 ай бұрын
I'm excitedly waiting for these to become more mainstream. I have a small off-grid cabin, and currently have to do a lot of worrying in the winter about my LFP batteries. The wider operating range of sodium, with similar density to LFP, is going to be a lifesaver as I increase the size of my energy storage
@mihaiciornei5648 27 күн бұрын
Honestly, I'm glad, because finally there is another type of batteries, this means that we are on the right track. We all know that the future is electric current, but the main problem is... we have a way to store it, just not in a very efficient way. More ways to store it, more ways to evolve... I'm honestly already looking to buy, to see what it's like and plus, to support this idea.
@olveaustlid4383 2 ай бұрын
Exactly what I wanted to now about Sodium batteries! thx
@tjlingram 2 ай бұрын
A fact that was missed here witch is a big plus or pro is its temperature range. Being able to go down to close to freezing and still charge
@kimchristensen2175 2 ай бұрын
Great video. I also enjoyed hearing you say "battery" multiple times. 😁
@gh0stm0nst3r6 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the pros and cons list. I live near (what may be) one of the biggest lithium deposits in the world. This sort of stuff makes me wonder where it's all going to land
@05Matz 2 ай бұрын
Oh, that's cool! Good to see newer battery chemistries actually showing up on the market rather than remaining vaporware.
@bramfran4326 2 ай бұрын
Always excited to learn about your new projects, but I was looking forward to see the battery breaking at the end, since you mentioned it at the beginning! 🙄
@str8up598 2 ай бұрын
Lithium took a while to evolve as well. Glad to see battery chemistry competitor.
@jparker785 2 ай бұрын
I also got tired of hearing about these with no actual product! Not exactly replacing my RC battery packs yet, but can't wait to see where this goes. 😊✌️
@ralphsmith8350 2 ай бұрын
Very good report. Thanks.
@EpicTurtle113 2 ай бұрын
Did anyone else wince when he had the vernier calipers on the cell, moments before he clamped onto the shell 😂
@Jueyes-vg2gb 2 ай бұрын
Great job as always
@robbenfelix 2 ай бұрын
Thank you kindly for this no-nonsense, no marketing hype approach. Though I'm a bit reluctant to share your optimism of "these batteries are just gonna get better with time" sentiment. There is no way of knowing that, these might just be a novel, interesting dead end.
@hlq2action310 2 ай бұрын
So good, now we can make safe batteries at home for off-grid systems, and for cheap!
@Ogstuff 2 ай бұрын
thank you for what you do.... i get so many ideas from you....
@RahulKumar-xd1qx 2 ай бұрын
Thank you brother shareing Amazing information ✨✨
@jessen00001 2 ай бұрын
Awesome 🎉 the future is looking bright 😊
@EduVentiladores Ай бұрын
Excellent video
@evensgrey 2 ай бұрын
Sodium-sulfur batteries have been around for DECADES in large-scale use. In Japan, they use them for grid storage.
@BrentBlueAllen 2 ай бұрын
Safety and sustainability are my main considerations. I'm excited to see how the chemistry develops!
@Lancetronium 2 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you.
@Family_Guy_12 2 ай бұрын
thank you for the video❤ please make more hidden gems videos
@dp0813 2 ай бұрын
Love your videos! Always very thorough & clear!
@69iqtutorial 2 ай бұрын
the charge / discharge cycles is definitely the best advantage of those sodium ion batteries, because i see 1500 mah lithium ion batteries get used in bluetooth speakers and stuff, sodium ion can be used there too, more safety and similar backup. great vid .
@batteryman2852 2 ай бұрын
i went down the rabbithole to try to figure out the different types of lithium batteries, and i got some NMC Cells from the same brand/distributor Hakadi, and so far i'v testing them with some Christmas decor led lights with a step down converter, then a step up converter for household batteries to get a steady stable voltage and some resistors. they seems to perform well.
@TheMasonX23 2 ай бұрын
We're assisting with bring some solid state battery tech to market at work and I can't wait to see it arrive and be covered here!
@steveb1600 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for providing the first review on the Sodium battery. I didn't expect this new type of battery to become commercially available this soon. However, I'm a bit frustrated that you didn't open the battery enclosure to show us its internal materials or test its potential for explosion.
@batterylife123 2 ай бұрын
I punched 1 no flames just smoke
@CDI36 2 ай бұрын
Ohhhhh that is a very useful technology!!!
@johmmycheems6139 2 ай бұрын
finally i can get myself a good off grid power solution, im ready to wait about a decade to get commercially available sodium ion cells, and i think itd be the best alternative for lead acid battery at kind of similar price.. better than LFP tho
@bekathunder215 2 ай бұрын
Hey! Enjoyed your video as always! Have you tried to make a small project and make a house power bank with those sodium cells and replace the one you showed us??
@alexdobroff5v 2 ай бұрын
Scott The Best! Thank You!
@MsFearco 2 ай бұрын
Great stuff!
@haraldlonn898 2 ай бұрын
Great info. Thanks.
@tarasn.6892 2 ай бұрын
8:46 There are smart BMS boards that allow you to set the maximum voltage and minimum, cut-off current, and temperature protection, so this is not a problem. For example JK-BMS
@hyltonvaneden1273 2 ай бұрын
A well made video.I have a clear list of pros and cons after watching.Sodium ion batteries have much potential.Watch this space.Thanks Great Scott.
@MCsCreations 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the testing and comparison, dude! 😃 But yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to see the prices drop! Because although they aren't going to replace my lipos for quads and rc cars, I couldn't definitely use them in most of my projects! Well, ok, we need a TP4056 compatible first, but details. 😊 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@JamieBainbridge 2 ай бұрын
Glad to see these finally available for general usage. It's exhausting to read about constant battery tech innovations which never amount to anything. Sodium batteries will get cheaper and safer for large boring workloads. Very cool.
@dougdrinkwater5843 2 ай бұрын
Super usefull. Would have been interested in performance at different temperatures as well. Being Canadian, a battries performance in low temperatures has been a limiting factor in a lot of applications.
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