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The Cold War nice

Factual mistake: At 1:55 the right picture is of EPON, the youth wing of EAM, not YVE. And YVE generally was not a major organisation.

This was a very good episode on a very good channel, really enjoying your work. Congrats. But, please, stop with these jokes, they're... not so good, to say the least.

Please can you make video about India Pakistan wars. Mainly wars fought in the cold war, 1947,1965 and 1971

Ο προγιαγιά μου πέθανε στα Δεκεμβριανά.

@@jason3163 I'm sorry for your loss, mate!

Ήταν με τους Φασίστες ή τον ΔΣΕ?

@@foivos8958 ΔΣΕ

@@foivos8958 οι φασίστες ποιοι ήταν ;

you are wrong majority of greeks dont vote at all

johny guitar You're Greek?

@@vukman2665 yes only 40 % of treu greeks vote until this day all the others are non greeks with greek papers sory for my english and they do alot of cheating in elections too

Yes because there are a lot that don't live in Greece so the next election will show how many don't vote because they are lazy

@@johnyguitar258 they is a low turnout indeed but the majority of Greeks do vote

Do be honest, as long as our politicians are using the civil war to "polarise " the voters we will never get on ...

Sure we will.When all commies die.

@2manynegativewaves sorry, you mean the communist is not fascism?? Up to ten million people murder in the gulag. Communists and Nazi is the same.

Well still till today we do not know the true history that is why is wound that not been healed. the Right still insists that the bad communist caused the war and the left blames the British.

@@whisperm21 kinda hard for that to happen since the total gulag population from 1924 to 1953 was about 18 million with the most extreme calculations but sure . Also Communism and fascism are pollar opposites

Still?

​@@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Musicsort of, yes. At least among older people who were around when things were happening. Unfortunately my generation (late 20s) and the younger people don't care about history to the point that many 17-18 yo that are about to finish high school don't even know that there has been a civil war in recent history. It's a taboo so there no much talk about it and in its not really embedded in general school curriculum

@@sarantis1995 Wow. Yeah, that would mean it's still a livewire topic; I've seen similar situations. Well, it's better than living in Bosnia. Both sides kind of won though; Greece is a highly Socialized democracy while Communism really took a hard fall worldwide. How stable is Greece these days?

@@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music Simple answer: its not. Longer oversimplified answer: There's just something about people voting parties they dont like to avoid the ruling party's re-election that just doesn't scream stability to me. Not to mention the ND government (aka the current one) has had numerous scandals yet somehow they got more votes? Greek politics has been moved by self interest of politicians for a while peaking with the "socialist" PASOK back before the crisis of 2008. False promises, failures to fix the economy, austerity measures and rising prices of well... everything just means that we aren't doing that well. Only saving grace is that the recession has stopped (sort of) and there's been some growth with the economy. Which is probably why the current government got re-elected even though its not them that fixed the economy in reality (growth started from 2016 they first got elected in 2019). They did some things but it was mostly the austerity measures and the bailouts and EU money as well as the previous government (not that the last government was much better) but we only saw the benefits these last couple of years so... Also small note: The only "socialized" part of Greek democracy are the welfare services and it used to be water companies and stuff until we sold them off to foreigners to pay our debts. ND seems like they love privatisation. Plus our elections use a system where we give extra seats to whoever gets the most votes so they can get shit done but that's super undemocratic since the left in Greece is broken into many parties while they right is unified under ND for the most part. The previous government fixed this but ND changed it back and since we had 2 elections this year (the first was inconclusive) the second one used the old system and they got re-elected.

@@jojoironboi Thanks for your answer. I guess to an American Greece looks highly socialized. 😁

What's your thoughts on this one kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbR5rK17z9vHeJ8.html

@@smokyondagrass2353 heart-rending...

Wonder how there grandson think about communism while waiting in the food line.

lol imagine leaving a country because of a communist civil war and some years later your country you live get capture my the "father" of communist this was hard times for the eastern block

@@richardque4952 you stand in food lines too...its called a chexkout line... Only difference is if youre broke, you dont eat..and thats happening quite a bit for millions right now

@@richardque4952 most of their grandsons where born in Greece or returned to Greece in the 70s and 80s. So no food lines for them.

cleary you are not a greek or lived enough in greece.

@@ncrvako it truly isn't though.

@@greekcommie621 don't be so sure.

@@ncrvako in the school I went to it was never mentioned. Most young people in crete do not even know that it happened. Most books written about it are biased in one side or in the other and it is only widely mentioned on the Internet which is not representative of what happens irl.

@@greekcommie621 well, in the area that i am from (nothern greece) it still afects, one way or the other. the school is not the olny place that you can learn from it. you can begin there, but you can never trust it.

you are invited to visit crete my friend and spend some quality time with your family, in honor to all those people that shed their blood so we can have a better future.

Many thanks to your grandfather. He was a hero

there is a high chance that we might be relatives. most of my family fled greece and never got back!

@@gg1275 Only he chose to back a political ideology that devastated every country it got hold of. Maybe he was an uneducated peasant who did not know better but if he was more educated, there would be no excuse for backing a totalitarian ideology.

@@arispaok3883 A misguided hero if even one at all.

We agreed that you would tell me in detail about your Grandfather's Civil war stories next time we meet, it's a little weird finding spoilers of our future conversation on KZfaq 😅

Right

totally agree. we need to know more about life and let life truth riding over any political ideal.

Was he a communist? I'd say that most of us thought that he should go back to Greece since Poland was at a far worse situation than Greece.

@@luishernandezblonde GREECE WAS DEVASTATED after the German Italian Bulgrian occupation till 1944 then the guerrilla war with the communists till 1949 suffering a MILLION DEAD. Thank God for the MARSHAL PLAN that helped reconstruct Greece and Europe!

This video is one-sided. Both sides murdered people. The left also killed anyone who was not a leftish . No one liked the communists thats why they had minor votes in elections. The left never wanted democracy and never accepted to put weapons aside. When they saw they wold loose the elections they started the killings again. ...

If by great coverage you mean communist propaganda and bias, then yes.

@@TheApocalypticKnight I enjoyed this video. Besides a bit of propaganda, its a good video.

This was also doesn't benefit the politics of the government so why would they teach it?

The first proxy war , exactly

I noticed too, αδελφε!

@@Armorius2199 ναι, έβγαζε μάτι!

Ξέρει κανείς τι ήταν το YVE?

@@Barberserk It was just a little mistake brother

YVE was an insignificant organisation.

Greece is in Eastern Europe.

China entered WW2 in 1937 and it ended only in 1949. Estimates of up to 20 million dead Chinese civilians, its funny how little these conflicts are talked about, Yugoslavian one as well.

Interesting point. During World War II though, napalm was dropped on both Japanese AND German troops. The French public and some American war correspondents witnessed at least 1-2 napalm attacks with their own eyes (while they understood why it was probably being used, the French IIRC thought it was absolutely brutal).

Charlie K, Best Comments here 👍 Stalin wouldn't support the various Greek left alliances. Th e Greek Communists, in particular the KKE blatantly lied too many peole in the extreme Northern parts of Greece. The pro-Stalinist KKE claimed they had Stalin's full support even though Tito predominantly supplied them with weapons. Stalin, in reality through the more grounded Marshall Zhukov, was focussed at that time on completely destroying Germany. They hated the Germans with a vengeance. Hitler had both humiliated Stalin with his treachery AND the Soviet Union was economically destroyed. Hitler's army had turned them into an almost primitive agrarian society. Stalin wanted a buffer zone. Zhukov stated that Greece could be easily supplied by the US and the British due to its complete acess via sea ports. It was a case of lets "keep our eyes on the prize" i.e. annihilate Germany and steal ALL their technology and military hardware. Albania, Bulgaria and Tito's Yugoslavia were enough of of a buffer zone as they had no real sea ports. Serbia, and especially Croatia belonged to Tito. The Greek hard core Communists were betrayed. The Greeks who ended up in Albania, Czechoslovakia (my aunty whom I never knew or met), some lucky few who went to Yogoslavia and some unlucky ones who ended up in Moscow. NOTE: The hard core Communists who ended up in the Soviet Union had their fantasies of a socialist utopia shattered. Like the few US immigrants who voluntarily moved into Stalin's 'utopia", they found starvation, hunger, ostracism and the 'lucky few' the Gulags. In an absolute irony Stalin and the KGB through the monster Beria, both hated and feared these voluntary immigrants. Why, they thought would you leave a wealthy country like the USA, or. a country li k e Greece with better weather and in reality, more opportunities than the Soviet Union ? Why indeed. . . The stories o f the few Greek Communists whom left Greece in 1948-49 as healthy young men returned as broken middle aged men in 1986. Those who remained alive after almost a Biblical generation i.e. 40 years, spoke of their loneliness, heartache, hunger and poverty and the cold in 1986.

@@FrostedSeagull excellent comment! 👍

The soviets sent a lot of money and ammunition through Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and Albania.

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I can't find the book you mentioned. Is there a link or something you can provide?

@@davidjefferson4941 unfortunately I could not find the English edition of the book.

From 1921 through till at least 1950 very tough times. No wonder people wanted to forget with all that post-rembetika good-time music and those endless comedy films.

It was not a civil war it was a gang war

communists are cannibals. They feed off the success of a capitalist republican government and when the resources are exhausted they run away to find easier targets. They are bullies and cowards.

@@MaxStevenson-ih5ji did you even realized what she wrote? Her parents had to flee the country because probably a neighbor that wanted to steal their land wrongly accused them as " sympathetic" too ΚΚΕ Man in you don't know what we are talking about at least educate yourself before starting spamming the thread

@@Pavlos_Charalambous How do you know that is the case? You are putting words in her mouth. Typical commie tactics....... SMH

communists are cannibals. They feed off the success of a capitalist republican government and when the resources are exhausted they run away to find easier targets. They are bullies and cowards.

Ahhh overstatements....

Unfortunately it is true...

@Georgios Petros Papadopoulos Μα τι λέτε τώρα κύριε Παπαδόπουλε - Ο Ρίγας είναι αυτό που λέμε "προοδευτικός" ραγιάς - έλεος!

Georgios Petros Papadopoulos Εσυ και ο άλλος από κάτω μάθετε πρώτα να γράφετε στα ελληνικά και να μιλάτε σαν άνθρωποι και μετά τα λέμε... Άτομα που γράφουν ανορθόγραφα και Greeklish μαθήματα πατριωτισμού δεν είναι σε θέση να κάνουν. Από εκει και πέρα, αμφιβάλλω αν καταλάβατε τι έγραψε ο άλλος στο αρχικό του σχόλιο, αλλα ακόμα και αν το κάνατε, ο καθένας έχει δικαίωμα στην άποψη του. Κι εγώ ντρέπομαι που είμαι συμπατριώτης με σκουπίδια μονοψήφιου IQ σαν κι εσάς, αλλα δεν το έκανα θέμα.

Daniel Jakes if you see the replies to your comment, within 2 weeks your point was proven true... According to some highly educated fellow Greeks of mine, I am not entitled to agree that modern Greece is known for petty political struggles, despite our glorious past. Also one of these academics claims that you are spreading anti-Greek propaganda. Would you care to share your patron? George Soros, the force of evil? Angela Merkel?

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Implying they did before 1453.

Actually Greeks in fortified Cities like " Mistras " or at hippirus was considering the government in constantinople as not Greek but " Roman " 😏

Wrong, there were plenty of civil wars during the byzantine period

@@petrosbaliouskas7293 τυφλά να είχε το game of thrones 😄😄😄

Argyrus 47 Greeks didn't identify with Constantine XI's government either since he converted to catholicism in hope the Pope will rescue the empire.

Kind of a copycat but its ok

@@coinreviewer6196 It's the same production though.

@Peter Magro everyone had their own interests...the greeks too! the only problem was that Greece interests were divided. this usually leads then to a civil war. :)

@@user-zm8nb8pk4n I agree. It is too short-sighted to see any side as a mere puppet of foreign interest. That is true for every civil war. You sometimes get help from the side that shares your interests, sometimes you also seek help wherever you find it and plan to sort things out later.

and there was a big number in Hungary. The is a the greek vilage named Beloiannisz.

That’s the children refugees marek jankulovski’s grandfather was one off them that ended up in Czech Republic the reason for that was because they were Slavic as they were Macedonians not greeks they ethnically cleansed the Macedonians and replaced them with greeks from Anatolia

@@sase763 Macedonia is in Greece, you are the north part of a geographic region and nothing more , you are a disgrace of humanity , you dont have any honor and you claim a name for your country that is not valid for you ,and it dosent have any link with you , ok your grandparents couldn't have any knowledge of history, and they had believe any crap from people like tito ...but you suppose to be modern people and you can study, stop to be brainwashed and find some decency for your selfs ... this place we call Macedonia or Macedon, js an ancient place way before YOU arrive on that area and kingdom from the Hellenistic age, after century's you Just happen to emigrate to a part of this area, Just like the Albanians, they emigrate in Greece the last 30 years, but they dont call them selfs Greeks, and if it happen many of them to be born in Greece and call them selfs Greeks they doing that after they had adapt the Greek language and traditions For you to call your selfs Macedonians you need first the heritage of the Hellenic kingdom of Macedon, and to adapt the Hellenic language, even the ancient one, if you can not do that, then you are Just Slavs that happen to live in the north part of a geographic region, and as little Kids you are we let you to distinguish your selfs as Slavs without any heritage of the Hellenistic ancient kingdom Who live in the north geographic region of once was the roman GEOGRAPHIC Macedonia You can not declare that you are something you are not.... You are Just slavs that emigrate here thousand years before, and its everything OK with that... The Last two years this is official, now cary on with your lifes MACEDONIA IT MEANS SOMETHING IN GREEK ITS A GREEK FUCKING WORD AND DESCRIBE A SPECIFIC DORIAN GREEK PEOPLE LIKE THE ATHENIANS THE CORINTHIANS THEBANS SPARTANS AND THE FUCKING MACEDONIANS FROM THE FUCKING GREEK KINGDOM OF THE FUCKING MACEDON

@@panstantzos3013 You can continue to believe in Your false history written by Germans and British.

@@sase763the child refugees were children taken by the communists to turn them into communists due to their disdain for Greece and love of communism. Many of them today became the so called Slavic ‘Macedonians’.

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Yep they are and still pretty prevalent. The communist party still exists (unchanged for the last 50 years) even thought it has a 6% of votes in every single election, the papandreou family has also produced 2 prime ministers (both terrible) and the neo-nazis existed, thankfully this year they have been sentenced and they are declining in popularity . So yeah this civil war was more devastating for the Greek people that the WW2 because it split the unity that we had in our struggle against the nazis.

@@dma3d it's 4%

On the casualties of the World War II, Greece suffered the sideffect of the famine of the winter 1942/1943 that cost the lives of nearly 700.000 people. Sortcommings of vital food caused by the Germans ( who rose heavy toll on crops stock and diary ) as well as the activity of black marketeers had a detrimental effect much bigger than the hostilities. If one takes the famine of the winter 1942/1943 into consideration, Greece is the country with the second bigger toll of casualties per population in Europe after the Soviet Union.

@@catfood_03_4stray actually third biggest causality-per-population rate in Europe, the USSR was second and Poland (despite losing more than 10 million people less) first.

GoT reference. Nice.

Thank you

Thank you, good sir.

Exactly - see my other comment where I give details on this

Where are you from if is not a secret?

@@majkaljoni713 his name is Polish, so I am assuming Poland

So many stories like this and so many people and families divided and dislocated........ in the end, it was the little people that suffered the most in the grand schemes of the Cold war.....

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@yiorgosmav actually yes, for a long time. he later moved to Sweden

Thank you for the additional information!

Thanks for the additional information.

Had it not been for the CIA and MOSSAD dirty work involvement against Greece's savior the Military of 67-73 would have made Greece a definite regional super power based on its oil and gas reserves that are much larger than anything in the Middle East

I think you said it better than the actual video

George Kafiridis no I don’t. The US was even more dominant in oil processing (an advantage that continues to this day). But it was also the most dominant oil extractor in the world during WWII. By far. You can draw a direct line between the US seizing Texas and California and winning WWII.

I agree with you, it had more to do with geopolitical advantages than with economic resources’ access

Indeed

No problem with that, political conciousness is extremely important and politics is inherently violent.

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@@jimtroy4380 I like the way you think

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Yes. Napoleon Zervas and Aris Veluchiotis .

Great. Freedom was saved from the communist global expansion plans. If you think i'm crazy, just look at the soviet emblem. It doesn't depict their country but the whole planet

@@antikokalis Τι λες ρε μάγκα? Γίναμε σκυλάκια της Αμερικής και μας ληστεψανε κιόλας! Πρωτιμω (μετα από αυτά που έχουν δει τα μάτια μου) να μας κατακτουσαν οι Σοβιετικοι

@@foivos8958 Είναι θαύμα πάντως που κάποιος σαν εσάς, που έχει υποστεί τόσο σκληρή λοβοτομή καταφέρνει να μπαίενι στο ίντερνετ και να γράφει και σχόλια. Σας παραδέχομαι για το κουράγιο σας

@@antikokalis Τι λες βρε άνθρωπε? Βλέπεις τι γράφεις? Τολμάει ο Κούλης σου να πει όχι στην Αμερική? Μας έχουν κάνει σκυλάκια τους και μας έχουν φάει όλα τα λεφτά.