Greg Koukl: The Intolerance of Tolerance

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Biola University

Biola University

10 жыл бұрын

This presentation is from: "To Everyone an Answer: 10th Annual EPS Apologetics Conference"
Greg Koukl is the President and founder of Stand to Reason, www.str.org/

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@redeemed7868
@redeemed7868 4 жыл бұрын
This brother is brilliant, thank you david wood for leading me her, praise God
@crazyinq8617
@crazyinq8617 4 жыл бұрын
D. Wood's video also brought me here!
@ChrisCross-nq9ed
@ChrisCross-nq9ed 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!!😁
@LairdDavidson
@LairdDavidson 4 жыл бұрын
@buymebluepills And me 👍
@danharte6645
@danharte6645 4 жыл бұрын
And me! I've just finished his book and it was very interesting and informative
@claudiasvartefoss6765
@claudiasvartefoss6765 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!!!! :) :) :)
@jackjones3657
@jackjones3657 4 жыл бұрын
"Tolerance is reserved for those you disagree with." What a great and elemental point to illustrate how genuinely INtolerant the modern climate of media, universities, entertainment is towards God's Word in the Bible.
@bolshoefeodor6536
@bolshoefeodor6536 4 жыл бұрын
It is why we are homeschooling our kids. We want then to learn tolerance of divergent viewpoints. The modern left who dominate the school system demand that they practice active indulgence of a very narrow set of principles, to the violent opression and exclusion of all else. I will not let my children be raised by fascists and bigots.
@alanroberts7916
@alanroberts7916 3 жыл бұрын
@@bolshoefeodor6536 fascist and bigots are not a part of a "left" thing. It only looks that way to someone who has drifted further and further to the right.
@nicolab2075
@nicolab2075 2 жыл бұрын
@@bolshoefeodor6536 So your solution is to ensure your kids are exposed only to your own views and principles smh
@ezbody
@ezbody Жыл бұрын
We, Christians, are the most tolerant people ever, and the most humble, too. 🤪
@cmo6789
@cmo6789 4 жыл бұрын
I’m not a Christian but this guy is certainly helping me see the way in these trying times. It seems very odd to me that acceptance with disagreement is hate and acceptance as long as we agree is considered tolerant reasonable and righteous by so many today. Often the group people insist are stuck in the past and believe in fairy tales seem to be the ones making sense and having a clear reasonable position these days. Thank you for your message and your level head while under attack for clearly reasonable positions.
@donaldkeith139
@donaldkeith139 Жыл бұрын
This is a very refreshing comment.. Even though I try to shrug off the insults for being Christian, it's very uplifting to hear that maybe Christianity is not all bad and all crazy
@seymourbutts4654
@seymourbutts4654 Жыл бұрын
They don't accept. Christian conservatives think they're at war.
@andysimmonds4023
@andysimmonds4023 4 жыл бұрын
George Orwell in his novel "1984" published in 1949 wrote of Newspeak and how language would be used to stifle thought. Examples he gave were “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” Greg gives an example of Newspeak in how the old definition of tolerance has been inverted to mean the opposite.
@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable
@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable 4 жыл бұрын
...by pedophile fascist racist negative IQed democrats
@senorpoopEhead
@senorpoopEhead 3 жыл бұрын
And after you watched Greg actively invert it. Genius!
@seymourbutts4654
@seymourbutts4654 Жыл бұрын
The definition can easily be found. This political speak you engage is meaningless.
@bygrace1931
@bygrace1931 11 ай бұрын
, 😊😊
@lauradaniels8354
@lauradaniels8354 8 жыл бұрын
I looked up Greg Koukl on KZfaq because I liked what he had to say in "The Case for Christ" video. Wow. I am blown away. I stopped talking about God and hoped people would see my actions and know God is at work in me. I thank you for the tools and the courage to start talking again. In stead of getting discouraged, I needed to develop my skills. Thanks for getting me out of a rut. :) I have some direction now, and I'm excited. Thanks for creating Stand to Reason.
@charlitoadams777
@charlitoadams777 4 жыл бұрын
It's been 3 years. Are you still a Christian?
@theologian1456
@theologian1456 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed! It's the gospel message that saves, not living a good life. One must be born again if the Spirit. No one can come to saving faith through worldly reason of earthly desire. How exactly does one show God working in their life without talking about the reason for their hope? How for instance, would a believer dying of cancer, proclaim Christ by merely laying their in his bed with a smile on his face? Evident hope in a person is of no eternal value to the observer, only the foundation of that hope, being redemption in Christ. I know many muslims who are many times more humble, generous and god fearing than I am, but I wouldn't consider them to be in a saving relationship with the one true God. Christianity isn't about 'doing', it's about 'done' and the proclamation of the gospel is that very message; that Christ died for sinners who believe in Him. It's not about being godly and kind and meek and thankful. All those things are results of justification, not the means by which justification is communicated to the lost. The latter would be legalism which is of no value whatever. The believer confesses with his mouth that Christ is Lord. Never be ashamed of the gospel, which is the power of God to those who are being saved 😊
@ronlanter6906
@ronlanter6906 4 жыл бұрын
@@theologian1456 Amen brother, agree 100%. John MacArthur has a book titled Ashamed of the Gospel that also addresses this topic very well. Jesus Christ , God the Son is Lord and Savior.
@1dadude2
@1dadude2 3 жыл бұрын
It's good to live the gospel however, we are also called to preach the gospel.
@ezbody
@ezbody Жыл бұрын
What we should do, instead, is hate our neighbor, believe every conspiracy theory out there, slander our public officials during the most trying times, when everyone should pull together, eagerly embrace every kind of propaganda of hate and division. In other words, make life as difficult as possible for the entire country, because that's what Christians do, that's what Christians always do! 💥🕺💃💥
@rintintinman9223
@rintintinman9223 4 жыл бұрын
Bought the Tactics book,,, and am slowly,, taking pains to grasp the concepts, and commit them to my way of interacting everyday. This lecture was brilliant. I'll be taking pains to see every video I can find.
@danharte6645
@danharte6645 4 жыл бұрын
As a catholic, I cant get enough of this guy. He has really inspired me and I cant recomend him highly enough. God bless you and family Greg
@albusai
@albusai 3 жыл бұрын
Read the Bible though, you’ll come out of that false doctrine as I did , he died ones ..
@hansmeisterschulz5941
@hansmeisterschulz5941 5 жыл бұрын
The intolerance of those who preach tolerance, is intolerable! Praise Jesus for this teaching and now implement it and share the Truth of God, through Jesus alone.
@adrianthomas1473
@adrianthomas1473 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation - you show the modern attitudes so clearly.
@jencraggs778
@jencraggs778 4 жыл бұрын
Best thing I've watched in a long time. Loving your book, too, Greg. Bless you!
@grantbartley483
@grantbartley483 5 жыл бұрын
Nice breakdown. I'm beginning to think the problem has less to do with reason though, and more with peoples' emotional responses.
@SandyridgeGR
@SandyridgeGR 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@aimeebibletruth
@aimeebibletruth 2 жыл бұрын
Ya true
@sabinel1711
@sabinel1711 9 жыл бұрын
Amazing talk but also shocking what is going on in our society these days. We stop thinking, arguing and instead start yelling. Discussions stops and verbal abuse, smearing starts. Thanks for posting this.
@dgbx6
@dgbx6 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think this post is doing?????
@godard121
@godard121 2 жыл бұрын
Sabine, you’ve identified the overwhelming fact that the ad hominem attack is the easiest and most readily available to ALL people. True story.
@mashez4057
@mashez4057 4 жыл бұрын
He really put stones in my shoes. Now I'm scratching my head and start using my brain to think about the thing he just said.
@junelledembroski9183
@junelledembroski9183 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t really understand why people disliked this video.
@LlyneM-rf3gd
@LlyneM-rf3gd 4 жыл бұрын
@buymebluepills to be tolerant of the intolerant, who are just taking advantage of our tolerance, but have no good intentions, is stupid.
@John-qo6fs
@John-qo6fs 4 жыл бұрын
I understand those who are intolerant but preaching tolerance.
@TrePryorRealtor
@TrePryorRealtor 4 жыл бұрын
Truly inspired and extremely competent thinker.
@RafaelArandas
@RafaelArandas 5 жыл бұрын
False tolerance is the worst kind of poison, or at least it is more dangerously subtle than "intolerance".
@freedomhouseministries
@freedomhouseministries Жыл бұрын
The well formulated question is something I have used for years--to find out more information, to reveal flaws in the argument, to invite others to think more deeply.
@ozbullymorales1020
@ozbullymorales1020 Жыл бұрын
Even more painfully relevant today.
@TheWayandWordofLife
@TheWayandWordofLife 9 жыл бұрын
~ Powerful TRUTHS! + Amazing INSIGHT!
@Gnahtte
@Gnahtte 5 жыл бұрын
Tolerance is reserved for things you disagree with.
@atassano2001
@atassano2001 3 жыл бұрын
That's true
@kayhearleartist
@kayhearleartist 2 жыл бұрын
Love Gregs work God bless him
@MayorAkweNyenke
@MayorAkweNyenke Жыл бұрын
I'm very happy I watched this. Greg is such an intelligent man. I praise God for people like him.
@John-qo6fs
@John-qo6fs 4 жыл бұрын
I am not belong to this Evangelical church but thumps up to Greg Koukl. I am so impressed.
@monthc
@monthc Жыл бұрын
The insight about the after effects of 9/11 stopped me in my tracks. Never thought of it that way.
@tammykronk8787
@tammykronk8787 10 жыл бұрын
I tried to post this on Facebook, but guess who was intolerant to it. Hmmmm
@jewaunglenn
@jewaunglenn 9 жыл бұрын
Lol
@susanpayne5592
@susanpayne5592 Жыл бұрын
I'm watching this after reading about the recent violent, profane rant against Christians by a member of the Human Rights Commission in a town in Massachusetts. Those who should be the most tolerant are often the most intolerant. It's scary.
@akapandeo
@akapandeo 7 жыл бұрын
thank you so much....I can make sense of this topic so much better.
@MyCr0w
@MyCr0w 10 жыл бұрын
i love this. Well done Greg!!
@rossland254
@rossland254 Жыл бұрын
This is gold! I hope your message could spread a lot more among people, because they are lost and brainwashed my media and greedy politicians
@babayaga9570
@babayaga9570 6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant man. Love Greg.
@AJBernard
@AJBernard 2 жыл бұрын
God Bless Greg Kokul. Wow. Thank you for this!
@MerBlack
@MerBlack 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Mr Koukl and Dr Hazen!!
@hikingdruid
@hikingdruid 9 жыл бұрын
Very well done! Most reasonable!!!
@bukshanekom2744
@bukshanekom2744 9 жыл бұрын
Irony of Ironies... Facebook seems to be very intolerant towards this sharing this video... sad.
@masada2828
@masada2828 4 жыл бұрын
Buks Hanekom - why?
@Barbbfly
@Barbbfly 4 жыл бұрын
Well done Greg . Its almost over my head
@SolaScriptura49
@SolaScriptura49 8 жыл бұрын
Fantastic talk!
@melissasw64
@melissasw64 9 жыл бұрын
Brilliant.
@sleepwalker7755
@sleepwalker7755 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Lovely talk
@radiandrea
@radiandrea 4 жыл бұрын
What a cool, rational, mean guy 😁
@freedomhouseministries
@freedomhouseministries Жыл бұрын
So good and so helpful.
@satinderkaur4453
@satinderkaur4453 3 жыл бұрын
This man is wonderful
@marksheehan8026
@marksheehan8026 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome ..
@mytuber81
@mytuber81 10 жыл бұрын
GREAT VIDEO!! Wow, well articulated.
@The12in40
@The12in40 2 жыл бұрын
There are many paths to God as long as you understand the Gospel of John chapters 1 through 3
@baconsteikjefett
@baconsteikjefett 9 жыл бұрын
I love this video!
@dongreyeyes8327
@dongreyeyes8327 9 жыл бұрын
Why is FB world intolerant of this?
@neoseyes
@neoseyes 9 жыл бұрын
In Norway I can post it on facebook
@jewaunglenn
@jewaunglenn 9 жыл бұрын
Great video
@cyberp0et
@cyberp0et 4 жыл бұрын
Here's an example of tolerance: *Tolerance* to drugs and alcohol. Hence drugs and alcohol are to be promoted. "Tolerance" is the subversive way to subdue love, and using love as the reason to achive this. And another quote: "Tolerance' is only good in houses of tolerance".
@BadEconomyOfficial
@BadEconomyOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
Drugs and Alcohol 🥃 are only temporary relievers.
@n00g75
@n00g75 8 жыл бұрын
this video should be prefixed to every youtube video that deals with politics, religion and science! if not to all videos! maybe! MAYBE .. then we would get any progress!
@christofeles63
@christofeles63 4 жыл бұрын
It's not post-modern to apply egalitarianism to ideas but simply a form of modernism. It is value relativism, as can be found in Max Weber's sociology.
@DavidJJames
@DavidJJames 3 жыл бұрын
Nine years passed and it's only got noticeably the same only worse.
@aimeebibletruth
@aimeebibletruth 2 жыл бұрын
Wow this good
@4pharaoh
@4pharaoh 3 жыл бұрын
It’s simple: It you have the desire to *control* another human being you are *at the least* intolerant. If you have no such desire you cannot be intolerant.
@suzane3751
@suzane3751 4 жыл бұрын
BRILLANT ARGUMENT/DEBATE.
@raydraiz1859
@raydraiz1859 2 жыл бұрын
David wood referred me to this man
@francescamtg
@francescamtg 2 жыл бұрын
He hit the nail on the head about Islam. Such irony. I talk about this all the time.
@wk1810
@wk1810 3 жыл бұрын
You only tolerate things you disagree with. Have you ever heard the question "why do you tolerate that?" ? It is usually asked of someone who would otherwise have done something about another person's disagreeable behavior, and its negative effect on them. But, instead, they tolerate the person while disagreeing with their behavior. THAT is TOLERANCE!
@levite83
@levite83 10 жыл бұрын
Vergil, its funny how you just retort to just name calling just as the poeople in the show Greg was in did.
@kuboaa101
@kuboaa101 Жыл бұрын
Wow.
@FoRs1GhT
@FoRs1GhT 9 жыл бұрын
Is there anywhere i can get/watch the "Test of Faith" episode which Greg Koukl's in? I'm not in America.
@RosannaMiller
@RosannaMiller 5 жыл бұрын
I cannot find it. Could it be called something else?
@ronlanter6906
@ronlanter6906 4 жыл бұрын
I think this might be it: www.imdb.com/title/tt3473118/
@ronlanter6906
@ronlanter6906 4 жыл бұрын
@@RosannaMiller I think this might be it: www.imdb.com/title/tt3473118/
@trishely4257
@trishely4257 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Greg, It has been a long time.
@mattm7798
@mattm7798 3 жыл бұрын
The way they get around this is citing "The paradox of tolerance", as if being intolerant of intolerance somehow is ok, but all other intolerance isn't. They will actually say in order to be truly tolerant, you have to be intolerance of others intolerance.
@christofeles63
@christofeles63 4 жыл бұрын
In other words, egalitarian illusions (value relativism) would have us believe that all religious positions are of equal value. This might be called the third-person or pluralistic over-view. To adopt it is to think as a sociologist, where the Many have priority over the One. This perspective displaces believing any particular form of piety to be supremely valid (believing as such). Our political union enjoins us to adopt this collective perspective to allow (tolerate) that everyone freely and privately espouse whatever credo they find most compelling. Koukl's point--also made many years ago by G.K. Chesterfield--is that one cannot adopt this position, i.e., that one's own beliefs are as valid (no more valid) as any other. Without vacating our individual perspective; the voice of the first person. One cannot exercise tolerance vis-a-vis one's beliefs because believing them and assuming that they are uniquely valid are one and the same thing. Does this not mean that, strictly speaking, there is no place for individuals in the public forum? Only if it is supposed that the aspiration to treat everyone equally before the law applies to individuals in all spheres of life. Which is demonstrably false. This suggests the proper limits of the egalitarian quest. Not to mentions the social conceits of democratic regimes. No wonder Facebook won't allow this video to be posted. But how did it slip past Google's censors?
@emailme3343
@emailme3343 2 жыл бұрын
Since I watched Dr David Wood videos I came to watch these videos
@ErlendGi
@ErlendGi 3 ай бұрын
Note that Faye Waddleton writes that she does not want governments to dictate how people should behave, and yet she suggests that laws should be made for a specific way on which people should behave. I guess that she does not actually believe that those laws should be taken seriously.
@BadEconomyOfficial
@BadEconomyOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
“A religious totalitarian is someone who believes he’s always right and everyone else is wrong 😑” True words about the Democrats and Liberals
@ezbody
@ezbody Жыл бұрын
OMG LOL
@kellyhudspeth1736
@kellyhudspeth1736 Жыл бұрын
15:30 the flaw in their assertion is that a totalitarian is NOT a person who “believes they are right to the exclusion of others’ beliefs”. (If that were true, every math teacher ever would be a totalitarian).
@69Applekrate
@69Applekrate 2 жыл бұрын
good topic but, whoever set up camera should have had it focused on the screen
@NapoleonCalland
@NapoleonCalland 8 жыл бұрын
I'm not about to switch religions, or to become "selective" as to which I defend, but I was pleasantly surprised by a calm, logical and thought-out lecture on the intolerance of tolerance that wasn't the usual cheap hate speech about "why tolerance is wrong". 45:47 Welcome to the world of peer pressure...
@theologian1456
@theologian1456 4 жыл бұрын
To not embrace a particular religious view is to deny all religion.
@mashah1085
@mashah1085 2 жыл бұрын
So is it okay for me to be intolerant of Rightwing Christians and seek to stop their (what I feel is) theocratic agenda?
@daddada2984
@daddada2984 2 жыл бұрын
That is the past, present, & future of Christian.. to be hated & branded as intolerant.
@jackiepowell7513
@jackiepowell7513 4 жыл бұрын
Ms mani There s more historicity of Jesus than Julius Caesar crossing the Rubicon!? No one doubts the latter with less historicity.
@gr8god4u
@gr8god4u 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with this presentation and find it amazing that when the church Universal has been wrong on an issue that it takes decades and centuries to admit it and change for the good. Examples: role/status of women, treatment of those not like us, slavery, divorce, lgbt issues, etc.
@CynthiaMoon23
@CynthiaMoon23 3 жыл бұрын
That bar poster makes the assumption that you can tell that by looking at a person
@nudedismemberer1442
@nudedismemberer1442 7 жыл бұрын
Can someone summarize what Greg is saying. I seriously don't get it.
@RosannaMiller
@RosannaMiller 5 жыл бұрын
Those who claim Christians are intolerant are by far more intolerant. Or the sinfully tolerant are hypocrites because they are far from tolerant. He is pointing out how many that speak out against something are guilty of doing those exact things.
@theologian1456
@theologian1456 4 жыл бұрын
Classical tolerence (the original meaning of it): all people have a right to hold a particular view, but that right does not mean that their view is necessarily correct. New tolerence: everyone is entitled to their views as long as those views agree with my own views. See it now?
@AndrewJohnH
@AndrewJohnH 3 жыл бұрын
51:49 - 52:06 of the video describes what real tolerance is. Probably the best summary of what he's talking about. If you agree with someone, it's agreeing, not tolerance. If you disagree with someone but treat them kindly, that is tolerance.
@privateGOAWAY24
@privateGOAWAY24 8 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not one of them lol but sadly some people still are not going to and will not grasp the profound point and the positive affected this brilliantly put topic 100% would have world wide! Shame
@docsspellingcontest592
@docsspellingcontest592 Жыл бұрын
So, if he’s against pluralism does that mean he supports a theocracy? Totalitarianism? Religious monarchy? What is the alternative?
@heritageresearchcenter8970
@heritageresearchcenter8970 Жыл бұрын
The flaw is failure to define terms
@fatmann4206
@fatmann4206 9 жыл бұрын
It doesn't surprise me that in Canada he is getting such resistance. They are always years a-head of the US in Political Correctness when it comes to Conservatives. When you go out on the street they are as liberal as can be. I went to Urbana in 1985, a Christian Mission Conference. . They taught us to do a giant wave and we would have something called a attitude check were if we were falling a-sleep they would say attitude check and we would Praise God. Well these Canadians were on their bus and we went to say hi to them, then jokingly we said attitude check and they cursed us out with F bombs. Why were they there? I know that in the US it was expensive to go so not everyone went. The Canadians weren't as affluent as the US since it was in the Regan years so, why waist your money on something you don't like? Having said that I know that there are many mature in Christ Canadian Christians and these knuckle heads were probably just some youth that were forced to go. The US kids that were forced to go probably wouldn't have the guts to do that.
@marksheehan8026
@marksheehan8026 5 жыл бұрын
Canadians are like New Zealanders. Passive aggressive. . Bunch of cry babies at the endo the day ..
@theologian1456
@theologian1456 4 жыл бұрын
Political correctness has replaced truth. Just as utilitarianism has replace ethics, psychology has replaced philosophy and social justice has replaced reason.
@snowplow7883
@snowplow7883 Жыл бұрын
Don’t think this only applies to theology… body positive, masks, jabs, political affiliations, genders…. And on it goes
@ediggs504boys
@ediggs504boys 3 жыл бұрын
True Tolerance is for the subjugated not powerful.
@levite83
@levite83 10 жыл бұрын
A
@miken7750
@miken7750 3 жыл бұрын
WISH GREG BECAME A CATHOLIC..SUCH A SMART COMMON SENSE MAN
@ericb.1384
@ericb.1384 3 жыл бұрын
...which is why he knows that the Papacy is a fraud. They molest little children in the name of Jesus, and their claims to authority have been refuted by Jesus himself. Trust no one but Jesus Christ himself. Also, turn caps lock off.
@christianemutter2952
@christianemutter2952 8 ай бұрын
It's not just common sense, it is the HOLY SPIRIT !!!!!!!!!
@einarabelc5
@einarabelc5 2 жыл бұрын
Tolerance is a FALSE form of Love which translates into Narcissim.
@heritageresearchcenter8970
@heritageresearchcenter8970 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone been saved by your method?
@TheWayandWordofLife
@TheWayandWordofLife 9 жыл бұрын
LoL!! Really funny + he accurately points~out the MAJOR HYPOCRISIES, that exist within the Secular Humanist community! ; |
@snuzebuster
@snuzebuster 5 жыл бұрын
It's not the secular humanist community per se. It's the post modernist/radical leftist community. You'll find people like Sam Harris decrying the same kind of thing Koukl is talking about here. It's not up to us as secularists to try and shut down the free speech of Christians. It's up to us to counter their views with reasoned argument.
@LlyneM-rf3gd
@LlyneM-rf3gd 4 жыл бұрын
@@snuzebuster or the anti-Christians could just allow Christians the right to practice their faith, instead of blaming Christianity and Christians for everything that goes wrong in the world.
@snuzebuster
@snuzebuster 4 жыл бұрын
@@LlyneM-rf3gd Right, and I'm certainly not blaming Christianity for everything wrong in the world. I think if I had the choice of continuing to live in this world that has no doubt been culturally, profoundly influenced by Christianity or choosing to flip a switch that would make it so that Christianity never existed, I would not take that chance. So, I guess that means I think it is likely that Christianity has made the world a better place than it would otherwise have been. That's just an educated guess though. Also, I'm not in favor of denying Christians the right to worship their God or live their life as they see fit, just as long as they are not trampling on the rights of others. As far as I know Christians are still completely free to practice their faith. They are just not allowed to impose it on any one else by mandating it as part of any public institution or proceedings or to use it as an excuse to deny other people their constitutional rights.
@berniefynn6623
@berniefynn6623 3 жыл бұрын
What is POST modernism.
@Barbbfly
@Barbbfly 4 жыл бұрын
why does the left dems come to mind about Trump in 2019
@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable
@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable 4 жыл бұрын
Because... anyone who leaves christianity seems to instead adopt stupid believes of flat earth, billions of genders, women have dicks, men can give birth and pedophilia is a sexual orientation... OR they convert to islam and blows stuff up. *_EXACTLY like pedophile democrats._*
@EddieM1994
@EddieM1994 7 ай бұрын
Tolerance is a social contract. If you are bigoted, you have broken the contract, and you don't deserve to have tolerance extended to you.
@LazlosPlane
@LazlosPlane 9 жыл бұрын
"Under no circumstances can they be BOTH right." Really? With God, all things are possible. Strike two.
@richpivo772
@richpivo772 9 жыл бұрын
LazlosPlane "With God, all things are possible", is from the scriptures when Jesus was teaching about salvation for wealthy people. Your response doesn't show much thought, but rather an arrogant retort based on your emotional beliefs.
@LazlosPlane
@LazlosPlane 9 жыл бұрын
Wow! Speaking of arrogance and emotional condescension, you must have written the book. Clearly, feeling inferior in many ways to other men, (who knows, perhaps some anatomical shortcoming) you have decided that it is YOUR station in life to correct others and to correct them with a little punishment. Did mommy hurt you? Did she touch you in that "special" place? JESUS SAID,"FOR, (BECAUSE) WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE." Dork.
@TimeTennyo
@TimeTennyo 9 жыл бұрын
LazlosPlane That last part was rude and uncalled for. How would you like that said to you? What does his mother have to do with anything he said?
@LazlosPlane
@LazlosPlane 9 жыл бұрын
Melissa, please. I have no patience for him and his type and they deserve to be mocked and belittled in any manner conceivable.
@TimeTennyo
@TimeTennyo 9 жыл бұрын
LazlosPlane What does calling him names achieve? Does it make his argument less valid? Does it convince him that your argument is valid? Does it make you a better person? Or does it lower you down to his level? It certainly isn't a God-like behavior. Trust in your own logic and arguments. If they result in them name-calling, do not stoop to their level. Instead, know that your arguments have hit their mark and they no longer know how to argue back. Be strong! You can do it.
@wachiramrm3925
@wachiramrm3925 3 жыл бұрын
Is neutrality indifference? Edit: Assuming everyone in that room believes that what they believe is right, takes a lot about human beings and beliefs for granted. 41:10-41:33 Edit 2: name-calling is name-calling name-giving. Name giving makes phenomena discussable. Edit 3: they do not think you're wrong. They think you are intolerant. You just defined the rule then broke it. You can choose to call that wrong but you defined it as intolerant so that's what it is.
@dongreyeyes8327
@dongreyeyes8327 9 жыл бұрын
Yet I can post "The God Delusion" as free as day???......
@sngscratcher
@sngscratcher 9 жыл бұрын
Indeed, most "non-belief-trapped" people see the statement "Jesus is the only way" as intolerant. It is a misguided and erroneous denial of other people's belief systems. Going around continually spouting that "my belief system is the only true belief system" - regardless of what that belief system is - is arrogant and narcissistic because people are following many different paths in their lives and making a great deal of spiritual progress. This kind of attitude creates divisions among people, and the evidence is right there for all to see. It's so unnecessary. Cheers.
@sngscratcher
@sngscratcher 9 жыл бұрын
***** Believe whatever you want. Just don't expect others to believe it or live by your beliefs. Cheers.
@sngscratcher
@sngscratcher 9 жыл бұрын
***** I don't. I contend that nobody should "believe" or myopically follow anyone: me, you, Koukl, the ancient Hebrews, the ancient Arabs, Indians, Chinese, or whomever on faith alone. Belief is the enemy of spiritual growth. All the best!
@sngscratcher
@sngscratcher 9 жыл бұрын
***** Are you familiar with the phenomena in many European cities of Muslim men patrolling the streets of Muslim neighborhoods and repeatedly telling the non-Muslim women who are walking through to cover themselves? Of course, these men feel obligated by their religion to repeatedly inform these women that they need to cover themselves. And it doesn’t matter to them that the women aren’t Muslim because, according to their belief system, ALL women are bound by Allah’s laws. So then it would be intolerant for non-Muslim local men to go into these Muslim neighborhoods and tell these guys to stop “harassing” their daughters, wives, sisters, etc. as they’re walking through Muslim neighborhoods to get to work, school or wherever. Since the Muslim men are simply following the dictates of their religion, wouldn’t it be intolerant to tell them to stop? They’re not breaking any laws. But they sure are making a lot of non-Muslim women’s lives pretty miserable because of their primitive beliefs/superstitions. Cheers.
@sngscratcher
@sngscratcher 9 жыл бұрын
***** "The Muslim men are harassing the non-Muslim women by repeatedly telling them, in effect, to follow the Muslim faith. Intolerance by the non Muslim men would come in to play if they told the Muslims to never share their convictions. The fact is, the Muslims have been able to testify to their beliefs, but have shown intolerance themselves in not allowing the women to follow their own convictions." The Christian version: "The Christians are harassing gay people by repeatedly telling them, in effect, to follow the Christian faith. Intolerance by the non-Christians would come in to play if they told the Christians to never share their convictions. The fact is, the Christians have been able to testify to their beliefs, but have shown intolerance themselves in not allowing the gays (and supporters of gay rights) to follow their own convictions." Christians telling gay people that they do not have the right to marry and working diligently to block gay people's (and gay supporters') efforts to gain that right in all 50 states, again, following your reasoning, means that "Christians are harassing gay people by repeatedly telling them, in effect, to follow the Christian faith." So then you must surely be against Christians who are trying to block the efforts of gay people (and gay supporters) to gain the right to marry in all 50 states. Cheers
@sngscratcher
@sngscratcher 9 жыл бұрын
***** That's what I thought: you can see the intolerance in the Muslim example but not in your own. Unfortunately, this is pretty much par for the course. No one is imposing gay marriage on Christians. If Christians don't believe in gay marriage, then they don't have to get gay married. There are a lot of gay (or same sex attracted) Christians who have decided to live a heterosexual lifestyle, and that's their right. But denying the right for gays who want to marry to do so because of one's Christianity is intolerance at the highest level. It is also true that: "Christians are harassing gay people by repeatedly telling them, in effect, to follow the Christian faith," just as you said that’s what the Muslim men are doing by telling the non-Muslim women to cover themselves - in effect telling them to follow the Muslim faith. And yet you'll never see the contradiction within yourself that says these are two different cases because you refuse to accept it for what it is, your own religion-based intolerance. Fortunately, for society as a whole, this grave error has been significantly rectified over the past decade, and we should find out this year as to whether this injustice is going to finally, at long last, be put to rest. And it’s not just secular society that is finally opening their hearts on this issue, but large numbers of Christians, as well: Carrie Underwood: “I’m in favor of acceptance. And I am a Christian person, and I do love the Lord, and I feel no matter who you are, what you believe, how you live your life, it’s not my place to judge. As a married person myself, I don’t know what it’s like to be told I can’t marry somebody I love, and want to marry. I can’t imagine how that must feel. I definitely think we should all have the right to love, and love publicly, the people that we want to love.” President Carter: “Homosexuality was well known in the ancient world, well before Christ was born and Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. In all of his teachings about multiple things - he never said that gay people should be condemned. I personally think it is very fine for gay people to be married in civil ceremonies.” Kristin Chenoweth: “If Jesus was to walk the Earth today . . . [he] would be horrified. Those people saying they’re doing it in the name of God? No no no no no. It is very anti-Christian of them . . . It is the antithesis of what I believe. It is the antithesis of what you should believe if you believe in Jesus. . . It’s not what he taught, it’s the opposite of what he taught.” Even significant numbers of Evangelicals, the toughest crowd in Christianity when it comes to gay issues, are getting sick and tired of all the senseless, religion-based anti-gay prejudice, and it’s the young people who are making the biggest difference: In today’s Politico Magazine (7-8-14), Jim Hinch examines why more evangelical Christians are breaking with their church’s condemnation of same-sex relationships. That study finds that more than one quarter (27 percent) of white evangelicals favor allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry legally, including a “substantial minority” (43 percent) of younger white evangelicals (age 18-33). www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/evangelicals-gay-marriage-108608.html?ml=m_t1_2h#.U9F9DPldWUK It’s very gratifying to see more of these Christian folks finally starting to “grow up,” spiritually. And I am deeply proud of every last one of them. Only a matter of time, my friend. Cheers.
@charlitoadams777
@charlitoadams777 4 жыл бұрын
I'm no longer a Christian. Couldn't find anything historical about Abraham's lineage or it's mythological stories.
@theologian1456
@theologian1456 4 жыл бұрын
Apart from the historical record of the ancient scriptures, given by the Spiritof God Himself? What more do you want? The history channel, who brought you Ancient Aliens?
@charlitoadams777
@charlitoadams777 4 жыл бұрын
@@theologian1456 What ancient scriptures?
@theologian1456
@theologian1456 4 жыл бұрын
@@charlitoadams777 the law and the prophets which the Jews have preserved for millennia. Then there's the new Testament which, despite unprecedented scrutiny has stood the test of criticism and of which we have an embarrassment of manuscripts. What sort of 'historical evidence' are you looking for? All past history is appraised by historical writings and/or archaeological discoveries. But the historicity of one man (Abraham) is hardly going to be established by archaeology, since he was a nomad with simple means. I ask you this: Without reliance on written historical data, can you confirm there following: 1. Why was the Eiffel Tower built? 2. Who designed it? 3. Who built it? 4. How long did it take to build? The Eiffel Tower is still there in Paris, yet thr answers to these questions rely on historical accounts of eye witnesses or other persons in the know at the time. The preservation of the documentation in archives or the reliable copying of such original documents, is the key to whether such information is trustworthy or not. The field of biblical textual criticism has made so much progress that only the most hardened, biased skeptic would choose to write them off. On another point: A believer unto salvation is a believer because of an act of divine intercession. One can no more unbelieve, than they can believe unto salvation without being reborn. Additionally, such belief is eternal and cannot be undone. For this reason, I say this; your assertion that you are no longer a believer is not true. Either you were never a believer unto salvation in the first place, or you are going through a season of unbelief which you need to repent of.
@charlitoadams777
@charlitoadams777 4 жыл бұрын
@@theologian1456 How many Israelite slaves were there at the time of the Exodus? Any evidence in the desert of the Exodus? What was the original written language of the Torah? How come the Ancient Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites etc. Never mention the Israelites amazing conquests? How come no one wrote about Jesus and his miracles until over hundred years after his death?
@fencingmitch
@fencingmitch 4 жыл бұрын
@@charlitoadams777 well the book of Acts is dated to 60-90 AD with better evidence of 60 AD as it ends with Paul's imprisonment in Rome prior to his martyrdom and to omit this and the events leading up to this important historical part makes no sense as as the book is all about the acts of the apostles. However it is known that Acts follows on from the gospel of Luke so it has to be written before 60 AD. And it is widely accepted that the gospel of Mark was the first to be written So it would need to date before 60 AD in order to be before Luke. Also archeological evidence of Jerusalem indicates that the authors could accurately describe the city and locations within which would be impossible after it's destruction by the Romans in 70 AD. Leaving at most a 30 year gap which during that time churches were established with eye witnesses present. In fact it is remarkable in an oral culture to pen down something so early. Comparing to homer and the Iliad which has a 400 year gap between spoken to written. Also the fact that there are slight variations in the Gospel confirm that they were eye witnesses without corroboration as the churches that they established prior would have pointed out the difference between what they heard and what was written.
@robertlight6905
@robertlight6905 5 жыл бұрын
What physical proof do you have for Jesus' physical existence? You have only text claims from doubtful sources.
@theologian1456
@theologian1456 4 жыл бұрын
1 What do you mean by doubtful sources? 2 And how did you come to that conclusion?
@SandyridgeGR
@SandyridgeGR 3 жыл бұрын
Good grief... Really? What proof? It's proven historical fact, like Napoleon. Jesus Christ is perhaps the most documented person in history.
@andypandy4078
@andypandy4078 Жыл бұрын
@Sandy Ridge he's showing his complete ignorance on the historicity of the subject. Virtually every sane modern atheist believes in the historicity of Christ. This sceptical joker's ideas were vaguely given credence by a couple of fringe German 'historians' in the mid-19th century. Now completely discredited.
@Ansatz66
@Ansatz66 4 жыл бұрын
There's a difference between fact and faith. We might believe that Jesus is the messiah, but we obviously cannot prove that. We choose to believe it based on faith, just as other religions have their own chosen beliefs on their own faith. Obviously we believe those other religions are wrong. Everyone already knows this, but telling them so is mean-spirited. It is a claim which we cannot back up, and therefore it is a pointless attack on their faith. They are desperately clinging to their beliefs just as every religious person must, so let's not inconsiderately wave our contrary faith in their faces and make their lives harder for no reason. Imagine a person clinging to the edge of a cliff and in danger of falling into a pit of eternal torment. We might go to that person to tease and torment and try to loosen her grip, but doing so would be terrible. We don't believe that the cliff she clings to will actually protect her from hell, but she believes it, and we've no way to prove her wrong, so all we'd accomplish is making her life miserable. It would be fine if we were presenting facts, but presenting our faith as if she should share it is just cruel.
@nathanpack-sz1bo
@nathanpack-sz1bo 3 ай бұрын
Christian faith in Jesus as the promised Messiah is not a "blind" faith. We can and should use reason to 'contend for the faith' and 'always be ready with an answer for the reason of our hope.'
@theresetrietsch5443
@theresetrietsch5443 3 жыл бұрын
It is all carefully planned Greg from the 1940 by the richest guys in the world.
@Frank-ky8bk
@Frank-ky8bk Жыл бұрын
You use a million words. Genesis 6:7 God fired everyone but Noah's family. He was so angry He would never again reveal Himself to everyone. He called out the Jews to be His chosen special ones. They also let Him down. For a long time God was content to let people be born live their 70 to 80 years, die and He'd drop them in hell. But He is far too compassionate for that. So He sent Jesus not because He loves us but rather because He doesn't like us. If God loved you there would never have been Jesus. What for? If God loved you you could go straight to Him for Salvation but since He doesn't like you YOU NEED JESUS!! JOHN 14:6 the way the truth the life schpeel you all know it. Why did He say that? Why do we go through Jesus? Jesus will tell you because my Father doesn't like you.
@aakesson1
@aakesson1 Жыл бұрын
I was hoping for an understanding of why christian evagleicals sometimes are considered intolerant. But no, it's just another defence of christian intolerance and disrespect of other world views. Why should I listen when all I hear is "I'm going to keep disrespecting you and beeing intrusive towards you and that's my religious moral right". Why don't you just ONCE stop and listen to what we on the recieving end are saying?
@danielmann5427
@danielmann5427 Жыл бұрын
Tolerance is not acceptance
@aakesson1
@aakesson1 Жыл бұрын
@@danielmann5427 From websters dictionary: "a: sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own b: the act of allowing something"
@senorpoopEhead
@senorpoopEhead 3 жыл бұрын
Koukl does a great job of playing into Christian fears and biases. Sorry, but fighting hate and prejudice is not a bad thing.
@SandyridgeGR
@SandyridgeGR 3 жыл бұрын
You've completely missed the entire point
@senorpoopEhead
@senorpoopEhead 3 жыл бұрын
I'd say that Koukl missed the point, @@SandyridgeGR. Explain how I am wrong.
@SandyridgeGR
@SandyridgeGR 3 жыл бұрын
Define fighting hate and prejudice...
@senorpoopEhead
@senorpoopEhead 3 жыл бұрын
If you need me to define terms, @@SandyridgeGR, how do you know that I "completely missed the entire point"?
@senorpoopEhead
@senorpoopEhead 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's what I thought, @@SandyridgeGR.
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