GREG SCARPA AND RET DET BILL COURTNEY DISCUSS THE GRIM REAPER

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4 ай бұрын

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@nuffsaid783 2 ай бұрын

One of the best mob interviews I’ve ever watched! Interviewer and interviewee both approached it in the right manner

@Herkulez1981 3 ай бұрын

One of the better mob Interviews i ever seen . So strange to see a guy you only read about and seen in photos from 30-40 years ago sit here and actually speaking about all that from first hand experience

@-Mohog 3 ай бұрын

This is probably the best interview I've seen regarding the mob. Excellent. I didn't expect to see Greg Scarpa Jr. interview on KZfaq. A great addition to this " KZfaq genre" so to speak.

@j-fb4596 2 ай бұрын

100%

@user-wb7nv9ht1g 3 ай бұрын

I'm impressed, he shows remorse and doesn't want to disturb the victims families.

@tpw9099 3 ай бұрын

Yes I agree he’s truly redeemed it seems takes all of his past seriously that’s really refreshing good for him! I do hope he can stay healthy n enjoy his family now for the rest of his years ❤

@billcutolo 3 ай бұрын

🎯💯🎯🤝👌🤝🙏🌸Bill

@billcutolo 3 ай бұрын

YES!!! Greg Does…THAT SHOWS You HIS TRUE CHARACTER! I LOVED This Interview, AND Have NB❤️‍🩹💜❤️‍🩹for Him and His Loved One’s…🙏🙏🙏💯🌸Bill

@Travis-pv8vj 3 ай бұрын

😂 He's also a psychopathic murderous liar

@halfbreed4711 11 күн бұрын

Yeah bro, I've watched hundreds of these interviews. All of them go into detail regarding their homicides. Here's a man who's done more documented work then all of them combined and he's being respectful. He repented for his crimes. He paid his debt to society. He repaid the American public by providing information of those terrorist. He's a good man.

@joeyknish8708 3 ай бұрын

One of the best interviews I have ever heard! Great job allowing Greg to speak without interruption!

@whitewater1250 3 ай бұрын

Really good interviewer, this guy does his homework instead of sitting there fumbling around trying to conduct his interview.

@seahawks366 3 ай бұрын

Besides the Mississippi burning story, he wouldn’t let greg tell the story

@TheProfferPodcast 3 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the compliment! Although I will say, Its hard to not have a great interview with a guy like Greg in the studio.

@westonpeabody8010 3 ай бұрын

@@TheProfferPodcastIs Greg doing anymore interviews anytime soon?

@brentmiller5246 Ай бұрын

One of the better mob interviews around...32 years locked up ,12 In 23 hr lockdown is hectic ...I'm glad he gets to go to the beach now ,must be amazing feeling

@carlgustafemilmannerheim5661 Ай бұрын

12 years in the ADX supermax, that is both ridiculous and cruel. Nobody but the terrorist and chomos should ever endure that.

@str8chillin327 3 ай бұрын

Great interview. Hopefully good things happen for Greg from this point on.

@cameronthompson1994 3 ай бұрын

GREAT EPISODE. I followed the genre heavy for 10 years and 8 or so years ago heard his voice on Trevor McDonald show when he was calling home to his daughter…heard much about him from Larry Mazza also. Glad he got out after a long stretch and looks like he’s holding up great after having cancer. I hope to see more of Greg JR on KZfaq. Fantastic ! MING

@tomking7080 3 ай бұрын

I seen that “Woman of the Mob” special also and he called his daughter and his granddaughter was there also if I remember correctly

@pab1381 2 ай бұрын

Me too. Didn’t think Greg would give an interview.

@JimmyCalandraABathAvenueStory 3 ай бұрын

I respect Greg Scarpa Jr for telling the younger generation to stay away from the life. That’s Cool 😎

@VitoDonnatuccijr 2 ай бұрын

Aye jimm-MAY WHAT UP BRO.. love your channel

@user-bs2sh3qy8m 2 ай бұрын

I am sure he was told to keep it clean so ofcourse he will say it.

@CockneyClint 2 ай бұрын

“ You know Whaaaa “

@JimmyCalandraABathAvenueStory Ай бұрын

@@VitoDonnatuccijr thank you

@VitoDonnatuccijr Ай бұрын

@@user-bs2sh3qy8m no he actually tells that message without being told so he also said gave the same message on his interview with john aliar an his bald head side kick

@Thechief1977 3 ай бұрын

Incredible story, brilliant interview. 32 years in the slammer with a terrible illness and he’s lived to tell the tale. A real coup getting him on, congrats on the interview.

@billymaltez8030 3 ай бұрын

I swear Scarpa Jr looks like jean claude van damme. I can def see JVD playing him in a movie role should Scarpa jr ever wants to make a film based on his life. Great interview nonetheless

@julsc2106 3 ай бұрын

@@billymaltez8030 stop the cap

@markencinas9369 2 ай бұрын

@@billymaltez8030they do kinda look alike but I don't think van dam would be a good fit to play scarpa Jr.

@Gdiddy3oo 3 ай бұрын

The realest Mafioso to ever step out of prison after 32 long years much respect and love

@tonycamaj7243 3 ай бұрын

One of the best interviews with a major name in the life.

@marvindickens7778 3 ай бұрын

Lynn Delveccio should've been in prison for life the same way the two cops working for Gas pipe did

@ccali327 Ай бұрын

total scumbag

@teddykgb2450 Ай бұрын

Yes he should. The Feds like him should be in jail.

@johnrotten3268 Ай бұрын

Connolys biggest mistake was being seen and speaking to flemmi. Devecchio was smart and strictly associated with Greg only.@@MABMGuitar

@Timsmith13911 7 күн бұрын

But then they’d have to release a ton of mob guys and also admit delveccio was dirty. Kallstrom and freeh both decided there wasn’t enough evidence as well which was crap if you look at other reports

@petershorts2643 3 ай бұрын

Can't wait for more stories from Scarpa jr.

@johnnyp2820 3 ай бұрын

Great interview. And this guy is the man because he saved American lives by speaking on the terrorist in prison. Good for him. Buona fortuna Greg.

@billcutolo 3 ай бұрын

***BILL…"BEAUTIFUL👌🤝👌INTERVIEW…” Greg is SOLID, and a TRUE Gentleman…ALL💜💜💜Brother to You and Your Family…BIG🙏to Greg…,🌸Bill***

@jinkylarsson2869 3 ай бұрын

This man gives a great representation of his former life with all the horrors that come with it. Out of all the mafia members who give interviews , this man stands out with his honesty and no nonsense manner and without him wanting to glorify that life . Hope to hear more from him in the future. Top class interview.

@joebrown9951 3 ай бұрын

I'm from New Utrecht ave born in 51 alot of guys got caught up in that life mob struct he gave a great interview regular guy hope he could enjoy life good luck

@christianburk7309 3 ай бұрын

Well he is allowed to talk about it because he was convicted of it. Whereas Joey merlino can’t talk about anything because he always beat the major crimes in his cases.

@yourlocalbossman1359 3 ай бұрын

@@christianburk7309Not true. Police suspect Greg Scarpa Jr is linked to between 25-30 murders.

@alexandrostheodorou8387 3 ай бұрын

Also doesn’t want his parole revoked.

@SHORT-FRIDAYS 3 ай бұрын

Now this guy is the real deal; Of all of the guys I have seen interviewed this guy is the realest, most authentic guy I would believe

@thepsychonaut8212 3 ай бұрын

agree

@philhare7851 3 ай бұрын

you mean gene borello isn't the greates @@thepsychonaut8212

@robertjaime6808 3 ай бұрын

💯👍

@christianburk7309 3 ай бұрын

So is Joey Merlino

@T4SelNiNO 3 ай бұрын

Yeah but merlino is keeping tight lipped so he isn't even worth interviewing@@christianburk7309

@j-fb4596 Ай бұрын

This dude is for real, he doesn't care who you are, if you disrespect him one time too many, you're getting it, regardless

@svenske71 3 ай бұрын

Greg Scarpa jr absolute legend in the mafia genre

@joshdearlove225 3 ай бұрын

This is quality. It's strange to think greg jr seems to be a gangster with stand up morals.

@Travis-pv8vj 3 ай бұрын

😂

@zenica12 3 ай бұрын

ha,ha

@CockneyClint 2 ай бұрын

No he is a real dude but don’t be thinking Mafioso have got morals . They may have some morals but Naa no stand up morals …. Mostly all about money that’s all

@MIKIEEYEZ1975 3 ай бұрын

This guy Greg, Jr is a great guy!! He was the Crown Prince of 13 Ave!! Good luck to you Sir.. I remember you fondly!!

@jimmymcgill8412 3 ай бұрын

Excellent interview. Very professional and smooth as opposed to asking ridiculous, immature questions like I’ve seen others do. Well done!

@NicoleAC-PhD 3 ай бұрын

This was one of the best interviews of this genre! Great work, from the Proffer and Mr.Scarpa. 👏💫 Better Days..

@IMPACT-NATION 3 ай бұрын

How does this show only have 2K subs? This is fuuuuukkknnn beauuutifulllll. Awesome interview

@CorruptionConnection 3 ай бұрын

This was a great interview. Greg's whole life story is crazy

@HardTruthsReviews 3 ай бұрын

The best! Loomis

@susanang1732 2 ай бұрын

I am so happy I found Bill Courtney and his podcast. I found him by watching him with Michael Franzese! It's good to see both sides of the spectrum! This was a great sit down!

@mohamednajih4802 3 ай бұрын

Legendary mobster.. Get him and Larry Mazza Together

@Beerpopnana 3 ай бұрын

Great Idea 👍

@Poppin_off_with_panos 3 ай бұрын

He hates Larry’s guts

@christophermoorman8995 3 ай бұрын

Where did you get that from, because he was talking to john alite on his show and said that larry and jimmy were the only guys with greg sr and were loyal to him@@Poppin_off_with_panos

@thepsychonaut8212 3 ай бұрын

even greg and Franzese would be interesting

@Poppin_off_with_panos 3 ай бұрын

@@thepsychonaut8212 Greg is on Parole I don’t think he can be around any ex felon

@Thats_ZOOZI 3 ай бұрын

Epic interview. Never seen Scarpa talk before

@philhare7851 3 ай бұрын

ive seen one he did with larry mazza awhile back

@bksalkrook8716 3 ай бұрын

he spoke on john alite show 2 weeks ago

@Thats_ZOOZI 3 ай бұрын

Key word "seen" fellas. Those were audio no?

@squallie78 3 ай бұрын

This interview was very well done. Thank you.

@woowaptibam5253 3 ай бұрын

Great interview! Glad to see he's out and has some time to spend with friends and family! Thanks for sharing your story Greg!

@UnsteadyWreck 3 ай бұрын

Been waiting for years hoping to hear from Greg. Fantastic interview!

@UnsteadyWreck 3 ай бұрын

Love the part where he talks about getting the call to say he's going home. That feeling must've been something else!

@anthonysantoro8155 3 ай бұрын

I actually remember watching the episode of americas most wanted at mikes candy store, the actual store in which that took place. Your younger brother taught me how to drive and shave when I was 15. Amazing interview Bill. Glad Greg is able to be out for the golden years, enjoying time with your family. You paid your dues buddy good luck to you.

@bindelicato 3 ай бұрын

Idk know why no content creators are talking about this interview.possibly the best interview I've seen with a real mobster.This guy would make joey merlino cry like a baby if they ever went at it back in the day.

@ShaunKang69 3 ай бұрын

You might not like Merlino, but he is just as capable of pulling the trigger as anyone of these guys from Sammy to Scarpa. He definitely wasn't and isn't to this day a push over for being a little guy.

@bindelicato 3 ай бұрын

@ShaunKang69 what I'm saying is scarpa jr vs merlino in prison,scarpa would kill him with his bare hands

@NicoleAC-PhD 3 ай бұрын

Hell yea. Greg is different, for sure .. the Amuso story is just Nuts😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 ... can just imagine that crazy mf jumping on his back!. 😅😅😂omggggg

@bindelicato 3 ай бұрын

Never said I didn't like merlino..but he's not a legit tough guy like greg.greg would eat him for breakfast

@floorboss 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, and in the end,,,, (look closely) Its #StandUp Joey Merlino w/ the landslide victory! Living it up in Boca! Hell, Merlino could be sentenced to Life at Lewisberg- next month. And Joey still Wins in all categories.

@Marvdogger2 3 ай бұрын

Excellent interview.

@bobbybright9334 3 ай бұрын

Glad he survived super max. The most inhumane prison

@carlgustafemilmannerheim5661 3 ай бұрын

Imagine that 12 years in that place

@ElNinoCarramna 3 ай бұрын

Great job with this interview! Hope to see more and hear more stories from Greg jr.

@Mike-do8kv 3 ай бұрын

Great video!!! Always amazed by Scarpa. Love the straight up character, of Scarpa Jr. Awesome interview!

@PostUp_Time 3 ай бұрын

*THIS IS A REAL MOBSTER INTERVIEW. CHOPPING UP PEOPLE. ON THE LAMB. NOTHING LIKE GENE BORELLO. CAN TELL KID WAS A NOTHING AFTER LISTENING TO GREGS STORIES*

@tonycamaj7243 3 ай бұрын

Genes mentally ill. Greg Jr and his pope were giants in the life.

@aaronandvicky7652 3 ай бұрын

There is a video of a woman chasing gene out of a neighborhood in New York. People were screaming “f you rat” and he ran away lol

@backagain5216 3 ай бұрын

It’s on the “lam.” It’s not an animal.

@Herkulez1981 3 ай бұрын

Gene the mob hitman without any hits or being in the mob

@christianburk7309 3 ай бұрын

@@aaronandvicky7652yeah. Joey merlino posted that on his channel. Hahhahahah

@vincentonorato3374 3 ай бұрын

Excellent interview thank you and Mr. SCARPA

@ThomasRocco1953 3 ай бұрын

Greg Jr Is the Truth. A real Man's man.Hear nothing see nothing🇮🇹

@MrIlleism 2 ай бұрын

He was an informant like his dad. But still on the streets. I guess you hustle by all means necessary.

@AdamJWM 3 ай бұрын

Wonderful interview. I have been hoping to get to hear from Greg at some point. Happy for him.

@flipuptheblackhood 3 ай бұрын

these questions are absolutely spot on, phenomenal interview. phenomenal

@shawng149 3 ай бұрын

What a great interview hope we see more of Greg scarpa in the future this is a mans man.

@MarkFer892 3 ай бұрын

I hope this podcast catches on. Excellent episodes so far.

@Eli-from-Boston. 3 ай бұрын

Awesome!! Huge interview! Thank you 🙏

@thomastrochesset917 3 ай бұрын

I'm new to the show. This was the best interview I've seen in a long time. Very interesting! This guy is the real deal. 32 Years inside. God bless him and his family. You know he ain't bullshitting!!

@anthonyhayes7719 3 ай бұрын

Looking forward to this

@DirtyPurdy104 3 ай бұрын

Love this! Some dispute that Franzese was made on Halloween night but he just confirmed it. Glad there has been a longer form interview with him. He has SO much to share that isn’t known, I hope he does more. Need to get as much history out of him as possible.

@rsb8380 3 ай бұрын

Yeah that was a cool little detail!

@rleeboston33 3 ай бұрын

The year that it happened is in question. Franzese was a year or two off but it was on Halloween regardless.

@DirtyPurdy104 3 ай бұрын

@@rleeboston33 yeah, I was hoping he would say the year. Maybe he will in another interview - he seems to be doing some rounds. 75 seems early, but it’s not impossible. I think Frank decicco was 1975 or so.

@christianburk7309 3 ай бұрын

@@DirtyPurdy104who cares about the year?? How does that affect your life?? They were made end of it.

@DirtyPurdy104 3 ай бұрын

@@christianburk7309 obviously everyone here but you? Lmao some of us just enjoy the factual history and knowing what’s accurate or not. How does any of this change our actual lives? Does watching this interview change your life? Then why did you watch it? That’s how dumb you sound.

@dundeeutility4899 3 ай бұрын

Great interview lads 👊 hope theres round 2 🔥🔥🔥

@billflipper1130 3 ай бұрын

Very good interview style. Really allowing the person to speak and with no judgment. I'm not really into the mob interviews, but I did enjoy this.

@dustin4450 Ай бұрын

Great video! Loved the insight on him and his dad being under Charlie Moose's crew. Charlie was a serious dude and if what Jr said is true how his dad would stand up to him, shows how crazy he was.

@AY-qy4jn Ай бұрын

Great interview I wish you asked him more about Charlie Moose. Apparently he was one of most feared mobsters. Everyone hated him for being a bully

@seahawks366 3 ай бұрын

This is great! Wanted to hear greg on a podcast forever now

@richbrig3 2 ай бұрын

Great interview... I can listen to Scarpa all day... a great story teller and the real deal.His knowledge is incredible. Good luck in the futrue Greg.

@jamessharpe6699 2 ай бұрын

Wow I'm so glad I took an hour and a half out of my day to watch this!!!

@muddyjoe8811 3 ай бұрын

My favorite interview I watched in a long time

@stevetaylor1520 3 ай бұрын

By far the best interview of a former mobster I have seen yet.

@JuniorB.KC41 3 ай бұрын

This is gold right here. He was a real heavyweight.

@donalddorman17 3 ай бұрын

Never seen you before Bill and only heard of Greg Jnr. Got to say it works well Bill. Will subscribe. I follow only a couple of channels on here. But you have a better insight than most - the real lived experience! Greg’s interview was excellent. Good luck to him and to you Bill, from Scotland, UK. Donny. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@TheProfferPodcast 3 ай бұрын

Thanks pal!

@Sandra-jv4fk 3 ай бұрын

Great interview, smart honest man. Wish you all the best Greg.

@peterstacie 3 ай бұрын

At around 40 minutes in, Scarpa confirms that he was made into the Colombo family along with Michael Franzese and others “on Halloween night”. He doesn’t mention the year, but if he can confirm it, a long-standing controversy can be put to rest. Franzese claims he was made Halloween night 1975 but experts dispute this because LCN had closed and not yet reopened the books for membership until 1978. Now that Scarpa is speaking publicly the matter can be closed.

@markencinas9369 3 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing

@americanzombie1802 3 ай бұрын

There were quite a few times during the interview where I wish he would’ve asked him the year that the event he was speaking on took place.

@thevault9579 3 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s not a reliable situation, Michael has said in every single interview that the other 5 men that were made with him were all eventually whacked. So something here isn’t adding up. I don’t think it’s the date though

@peterstacie 3 ай бұрын

@@thevault9579 So Michael says it was Halloween night 1975. Scarpa says they were made together with ten other men. They are both either lying or forgetful?

@NiktheEnglishGreekCypriot 3 ай бұрын

@@peterstacieMichaels a story teller. He’s probably deep down ashamed that he was made in 78 and 6 years later it was all over and he was ready to cooperate. Over the two I’d trust Greg more than Michael. Also it’s well known that Michael was a driver on a hit in 78, which would have been him making his jokes to be made. Also Michael’s accounts of who was there and was captains etc etc is provably falsen

@WestSideGorilla1980 3 ай бұрын

Salute from Chicago.

@mochans 3 ай бұрын

Great job!!

@pasqualerago4715 3 ай бұрын

This was a great interview! Great job on both ends

@jameslovesbutter2314 3 ай бұрын

Great work ❤

@thomashowlin4353 3 ай бұрын

Great job !

@Netwrk72 3 ай бұрын

Greg Jr looks like he would still F you up big time, this guy deserved a massive intro, SUBSCRIBED!

@chrislaverick6413 3 ай бұрын

Wow this is gold, thank you

@BasilFomeen 3 ай бұрын

This guy and his father were no joke. The real real deal

@hushai5154 2 ай бұрын

Isn’t that sweet, his old man was a civil rights hero. More like being given a licensed to kill from the FEDS.

@robertjaime6808 3 ай бұрын

This was a great interview👍👍

@Kevin-Morrison2822 3 ай бұрын

Excellent interview Greg said something that really caught my attention. That there were things his father wasn't privy to in that family so the FBI used illegal bugs and then said Greg Sr. told them. A lot makes sense now. I've read Greg Sr.'s FBI papers and there were things in there that they claimed Greg Sr. told them that looking back there's no way he would have known. What Greg said here explains that perfectly.

@alexandrostheodorou8387 3 ай бұрын

Yeah we give the FBI too much credit for playing by the rules. They don’t.

@Micheal-Knight- 2 ай бұрын

Great interview. Young people, please note, Greg spent his prime years in prison. 32 years. That's a tragic life.

@chrisdoherty1173 2 ай бұрын

Shows you how scary and capable greg snr was. And fair play to hurt those racists.

@snapper703cf 3 ай бұрын

Great interview.. hoping to see more of Scarpa

@davidpeters3857 3 ай бұрын

Brilliant interview

@user-nx1mt4gj5v 3 ай бұрын

Best interview ever

@xavierjames8085 3 ай бұрын

This was a great interview 💯🔥

@RAGNAR7722 3 ай бұрын

Great interview, good to hear from Greg, done his time..best of luck to him. Hopefully we hear from the Gemini twins soon.

@nickjohnson710 3 ай бұрын

Great interview

@vincenzoabbate4210 3 ай бұрын

Great interview!!!!!🙏

@wastelander89 2 ай бұрын

I enjoy hearing the old stories. Thanks for making the video

@cedenoanthony45 3 ай бұрын

Great interviewer, first time seeing Greg Jr. Glad he’s out, god bless

@johnquist9069 3 ай бұрын

I’m so gassed to see this. I caught the alite interview n loved it

@johnnyo3622 3 ай бұрын

Excellent interview

@Tinanbobby 3 ай бұрын

I’m glad he’s out and doing well live your life Greg and stay on the straight and narrow

@scottstauffer6637 3 ай бұрын

Great interview, a living legend!!!

@washedupwarvet2027 3 ай бұрын

Wow this was an incredible interview, just great questions and incredible to hear him tell stories. I hope one day Carmine Sessa pops his head up to share some too.

@ricklaponte5869 3 ай бұрын

Great show!!

@dalewhite4759 3 ай бұрын

Another good one Bill!

@josephsaracino1779 3 ай бұрын

I thought he was dead too. I’m glad to see he’s alive. His brother should have never got killed. Great interview

@lasagna7919 Ай бұрын

This is a real man. Stood tall and did his time

@user-pb6eh1rp9v 3 ай бұрын

Great job Greg Salute my friend we'll talk soon 💪🏻

@andrewaccardo5142 3 ай бұрын

Good luck to you Gregory, I knew your dad, I lived down the street on 82nd st , met you once or twice always liked your dad

@roymunson1 3 ай бұрын

Always wondered 2 things about Greg Scarpa going to mississippi. 1, what did he say back home for going AWOL. 2, ive no idea why the FEDs didnt make Greg dissappear straight away after it. This was just a few years after the 57' meeting, kennedy murder, hoffa etc. The embarrassment of the Government being found using a mafia member to do their dirty work had the story leaked during the riots that came not long afterwards. Greg obviously had a lot of valuable information.

@Walterliquori 3 ай бұрын

Great interview . You let him talk lots of guys ramble and don’t let the guest do his thing

@LinkinJason-zi8vb 3 ай бұрын

Great episode

@adamhurst9491 4 күн бұрын

I've been watching all these guys like Greg here and Sammy etc. Had they been born earlier or if RICO never came they'd be old bosses now. It's crazy that Cosa Nostra has more or less went extinct in my lifetime. When I was a kid and saw Goodfellas and Casino I was was so enthralled with them.