well in syria russians claim and shown photos of a captured f22 tracked by su35. They showed on our west news. They also claim they are the best stealth but a syrian s200 shot a israel f35, israels claim the f35 hit by bird. Is all over internet news 3 years ago. But you free to believe whatever you want. Also they are 40 su57 in service and they use them in north ukraine to fly stealthy over air defenses and bombs. Here a video kzfaq.info86dAN3KKbbQ?feature=share

Yup, this is just silly. "BVR" but everyone is just hiding behind *buildings* and using super-zoom Mk.II eyeball. Then again, DCS's poor radar and missile mechanics does incentivise 3rd-gen Vietnam-style flying. Even peer-to-peer 4th-gen combat, with the official "PFM Modules", devolves into this weird ground-hugging pseudo anti-Fox-2 gameplay. It's exactly what I'd expect if you just took the 3rd-gen aircraft and their unreliable rear-aspect Fox-2 missiles from the Vietnam era, and simply made them faster, more maneuverable and cooler looking, while keeping the tech and tactics essentially unchanged. Radar guided Fox-1 missiles are essentially just clones of the Fox-2s, replacing flares with chaff and putting the seeker on the aircraft, but keeping the fundamental tech and tactics the same. The introduction of Fox-3s into this ecosystem would obviously prove extremely deadly for the ground-huggers (just look at how the playerbase complains about Fox-3s being too good, unfair and 'not fun'). So the Fox-3s were simply given a gamified exploit that allowed those same Vietnam-era tactics to be used against even the fastest, highest Fox-3 launch, thereby nullifying any advantage that building and keeping your energy up, being disciplined and respecting standoff distances, or even just practicing and knowing your timelines, etc. would have given the 4th-gen pilot.

@@mortlet5180 it's a difficult thing as we have to acknowledge that it's a game first and a sim second so it makes me wonder if they should just offer an option on the missles server side for if you want them totally realistic or gameified

@@pottyputter05 What I wouldn't give to have "full-fidelity" missile modules that we could buy. Yes this could easily be controlled on a per-server basis, but I don't think that's the issue here. Think about it, IRL Air-to-Air missiles (AAMs) don't need to hit you and they almost never miss by very small distances, like we often see in DCS. This is exactly why missile designers are willing to degrade the kinematics, range and the maneuverability of their missiles so much to put large explosive warheads on (reference the payload in The Rocket Equation), when even just the supersonic missile impact and subsequent internal detonation of 1-2kg of RDX would be enough to neutralize most modern lightweight fighters. ED pushes to achieve the most "Realism", while actively ignoring any classified information (and even unclassified or declassified info if it didn't come with explicit, verifiable and written permission to publicly disseminate said information). While this seems sound in principle, in practice they misuse it as an excuse to keep inaccurate or even completely unrealistic things in DCS. They even use it to actively ignore (or in some cases even completely revert it after the fact) multiple, fairly reliable (but not up to their 'standards') sources of information, even when it's obvious that DCS is lacking in that area and that no better source of that specific info is freely available either. One very visible example of this, as it relates to AAMs in DCS, is Proximity Fusing. It is common knowledge (or at least easily verifiable) that kinetic "Hit-to-Kill" interceptor guidance, compared to using an explosive warhead which only requires guidance to get somewhere within tens to hundreds of meters (depending on warhead size, altitude, etc.) of the target, has been a *much* more difficult and less reliable technique until (arguably) very recently. However, even with the AAMs we currently have in DCS and all their problems, ED have decided that it is more 'realistic' to have fighters 'defeat' active radar homing missiles, that came to within 15m (~50ft) of them, by literally out turning the missile (not decoying, masking or otherwise confusing the seeker). Sometimes the fighters are even flying so close and parallel to their persuing missiles that it seems like formation flying. ED insists that this is better and more realistic than having lagging/de-synced players die from a missile that they never saw hitting them. This doesn't make much sense as players are then able to exploit all manner of network issues (high latency, variable latency, packet drops, duplicate packets, etc.) to get a very significant edge. Indeed this lag-teleporting phenomenon was already widely observed years ago when this topic of proximity fusing was being actively discussed. Considering the past and current rate of progress on this, I have absolutely no hope of getting even semi-realistic proxy fusing in DCS withh the next 5-10 years. However, if we ever do get it, you can bet that they will nerf the missiles so that the proxy fusing doesn't suddenly result in a much higher Pk or substantially decrease those Hollywood-worthy, high-G near-misses!

@@pottyputter05 Weird how the sim that's so complicated to fly that you'd need a pilot's license to takeoff is gamified in such a way.

it also wouldve helped to use chaff while youre trying to "run away" from their radar guided missile haha

@@paradiddlesixix7530 that was weird. Incoming missile and his defensive strat is to try and outrun it?

Did the F35 even get guns on at all? I think the Su-35 killed itself.

@@JelqSmith F-35A has gun

Does it really matter ? They have like 3

10 experimental units were produced, each for a different role. 6 were built as a serial unit. The serial units don't have the rivet problem. I recommend watching "Millennium 7*" channel. Dude has made an hour long video about it.

Those are the prototypes the serial production units have only entered service this year

@@CMarkem 6 and counting 🤦🏾

Those are the prototypes the serial ones doenst have that. I recommend you watch Milenium 7 and learnd about the topic with objectivity

Iam prety sure American have exaggerate their planes abilities. Su 35 and 57 have made the best radars to detect stealth from bvr engage. Of course mods in dcs are incomplete. Not a hater and personally i like f22 to much. But russian planes are in another lvl.

​​@@alekosalekadis6095 I'm pretty sure the SU-57 isn't all that. All development in Russia is full of corruption, so yeah it's going to be very lacking in some aspects. Not to mention there are like 10 of them or something like that. On the other hand F-22 is being kept under wraps when it comes to some functions. To my understanding they limited the pilots from taking part in international excercises, since the pilots aren't allowed to use all of the plane's abilities when other countries are present. Operating with limited abilities lead to some bad habits forming so they put a stopper on it.

@@LarryJL well in syria russians claim and shown photos of a captured f22 tracked by su35. They showed on our west news. They also claim they are the best stealth but a syrian s200 shot a israel f35, israels claim the f35 hit by bird. Is all over internet news 3 years ago. But you free to believe whatever you want. Also they are 40 su57 in service and they use them in north ukraine to fly stealthy over air defenses and bombs. Here a video kzfaq.info86dAN3KKbbQ?feature=share

Lol so true.

Russia has neither the time nor the money to build QUALITY things. 'Good Enough' is fine for them. Over optimization is the root of all evil. Ask Nazi Germany.

more like this videogame quality))

@@stalinliberator464 DCS is the most realistic military flight sim. And just cause your a commie don't mean you get to say that Russia builds quality planes.

@@AV8-tur What planes have they built aren't good aircrafts, in the past 20 years. Also, Russia isn't communist.

F-35 is stealthier than F-22 according to remarks by Airforce officials

@@mac2857 also it is smaller and if the same or similar paint etc is used, the F35 should habe a significant advantage from several angles

The SU-57 has a larger RCS than that. It's lack of radar-absorbing coating and other issues make it as large as a clean super hornet's

@@cockatoo010 with all due respect is clear you don't know anything about the subject, I recommend you to do your research because firstly the rcs data is classified, not to mention that the rcs changes constantly depending on the angle and the radar wave lenght, and the Su 57 does use composite materials and has an radar absorbing paint.

@@cockatoo010 yeah this is you just hating not facts. Watch the channel combat approved it shows the su 57 in detail

Wtf ,f35 outrates the f16 ? No way

This 1000%, there's a video of an F35 pulling the same loop into flat spin physics witchcraft that the F22 can w/o vectoring, albeit a little less nimbly. The thing is just so capable that I think people are in a state of disbelief; I imagine if it were accurately modeled it might get a little unfair tho

@@forzaelite1248 any plane can enter a flat spin , it just depends on weather it can get out of it or not , some can and some cannot and those high alpha maneuvers depends on its speed n sht

@@hemendraravi4787 yeah I should've probably specified post stall maneuvering and recovery but it can do it at will whereas before a flat spin was grounds for an eject, not quite sure about it out-rating the F16 but with the engine and tech available it shouldn't be too hard to beat what we've done before

@@manuelpiston Highly doubt that considering that the major problem pilots had with the F-35 is that it loses a lot of energy in turns

it was frustrating to watch him with airbrake ON...

Probably just oversped it on his way down from ~45 000ft.

DCS: I am the greatest and most accurate flight sim on the planet ! Also DCS: Don't forget to blow your canopy when you get into a dogfight so you can hear when the enemy aircraft shoots at you...

@@rags417 i mean, theyre community generated mods, right?

Has the side profile of a stealthy su-27 actually so the yf-23 was conceived with the su-27 profile in mind

@@lastknownjedi5119 I doubt that, its a completely new design made from a computer. I know this for a fact. Its a diamondwing completely unique frame, still to this day, basically a 6th gen airframe made in the 80s.

- The thing about side profile and YF-23 being left in the sun makes no sense. - Thrust vectoring will always be better for maneuvers, especially at low speed, when wings don't receive enough air. - The YF-23 tails were so big because they combined vertical and horizontal surfaces. In plan view, they look normally sized. - No point in going faster than the F-22, since stealth coatings degrade with high speed temperatures.

Doesn't matter actually, when it boils down to it, there are only so many ways to solve a problem. Just look at the C-5 Galaxy and AN-124, they look very similar from the side profile, but the same mission requirements dictated their aesthetics before they even could get to adding the instrumentation and engines. Same with the "Checkmate" and F-35 as well as the Korean "Baby F-22"

no , they have gone their own path , just like the usa they experimented with various forms across the years. the chinese J20 though is suppposedly based on the Mig1.44 , i mean they bought one of the prototypes.

I mean you can't really complain about it when you use modded aircraft. None of the vanilla planes have stealth so there is no point in ED wasting time programming more detail. I with GR would use less mods as 99% of the time it's just a janky mess.

are you going to pull a "challenger" and release classified material on how stealth in those fighters work?

aspect matters, hard to model in a sim

TBH stealth is only roughly modelled in game at moment.

@@Kevin-hb7yq Not really. Aspect is already calculated as part of rasterization of the plane's meshes when drawing each frame and the angle of each surface is already calculated for lighting. The only reason why it probably isn't done already is because there isn't much of a point as it won't change gameplay at all.

What if the mission is to reduce enemy air capability to zero?

@@Laerei If he played around in the buildings while they were bombing his base or fuel depot or ammo dump he would be useless. Just like he had no air capability. He would have to come out to play or lose everything.

Yeah idk why they test a model that eats missiles

Tries to outrun a missile in an F-22. Flys too high without O2 on and blacks out. Accidently blows the canopy mid fight. Launches missile too low and blows up own plane. Fun to watch but not sure how good the pilots were lmao

Will try this now but I doubt we'll get anything. I haven't done anything to get R77M working BTW, it just works as default for us?

Yeah I think the US operates like over 300 at this point while Russia can barley put together a single squadron of SU-57s last I heard.

@@WalrusWinking Only China can try to match the US with their J-20. But who knows if the J-20 is capable.

@@TerraZetzz I mean the F-22 has capabilities that the pilots are not allowed to use in combat exercises with allies and NATO countries. From what I've observed Eastern countries will OVERSTATE the capabilities of their equipment while Western countries ESPECIALLY America will UNDERSTATE the capabilities of their equipment and be way more secretive about it. For a historical example look at the MIG-25 and how pathetic this war in Ukraine has been so far with big bad Russia. The J-20 could very well be the exact same. Because the specs I've seen about that thing look utter fantasy at least the B model and in my opinion could probably be like a child trying to wear daddy's boots. Is it smart to underestimate them? No. And the U.S. is not underestimating them, but just like China's GDP they're more in likely overstating the significance.

Well the SU-57 is buffed in this mod, not to mention the Su-57 isnt a stealth plane. And the F-22 is also nerfed for 'Balance' Im not sure why considering this is SIM but ask the mod creators not me. Im not sure about the F-35, havent looked at the mod

@@kohlshu8979 I know the jets aren't accurate by any means but working with what they have at hand it was still was a commendable fight, Irl Su-57 has stealth aspects but not on the level of the F-22 and F-35 but it still has stealth qualities. If this was a accurate fight the F-22 and F-35 would've at best max ranged both the Su-35 and Su-57 at worst knock them out at 10 miles.

The first production model of SU 57 has slightly improved its RCS by applying 30% RAM coating on it and the RCS of around of SU 57 which is actually an (serial production) around 0.01m2 as the size of the human fist. But still it not as stealthy as F22 and F35 which has the RCS of around 0.005m2 and 0.00015m2. But remember the SU 57 has a stealth features which might help to undetect in a Long Visual Range.

@@heatblast876 Source?

Kohlshu all over the internet. Do some research. People complaining or saying “the SU57 isn’t stealth lol” or “my raptor will eat it before it ever sees it coming” is just wrong. Most times it is young children saying “my stealth jet will beat up your stealth jet”

What are your qualifications / research / combat experience to give this statement? Or just your feelings?

@@dylan4972 Russian technology is often old and out of date. USA has the latest tech and a lot of stealth jets.

@@timmyburden5701 the SU-57 is a 5th gen fighter with current gen stealth and is super maneuverable. The SU-35 would absolutely be prey for the F22 unless it can get within range to find it, but the SU-35 is better in every way to the F35 other than stealth. So I really don't think it would be that easy.

@@dylan4972 I mean you could be right. I still feel that the su57 would have a difficult time getting any good lock on a f35 beyond visual range. I do think the su57 is very maneuverable in a close dog fight. India tried out a su57 and they were not impressed. The su57 does look cool.

those huge engines on the su-57 basically delete whatever stealth it has. The engines on the f-22 were designed to avoid most radar signitures. So in all honestly, the f-22 would lock on the su-57 and would have fired long before the su-57 can get into position.

when aircraft made sonic boom it created a massive "cloud" around it (from sub sonic speed to super sonic speed), this is model in the game, so if some one (the enemy team) by chance saw that "cloud" they would know some one is there, it basically says to every one "Hey! I'm here, point your radar at me!"

@@somsokca7836 of courses, know it makes perfect sense. Forgot about all those cool cloud burst IRL. Thnx so much for taking time to explain that. Be well. 🍻

Cap wasn’t mad he made one. He got worried because he heard one meaning the enemy was supersonic and just went right over it next to cap.

@@saulhannibal3819 yep this ^ is exactly what I thought. He was more like "oh shit an enemy aircraft just went right past me and I don't have visual".

In dcs yes but irl not even close

In IRL the RCS of the F-35 puts the SU-57 to shame

In real life the SU-57 is apparently massive relative to other stealth aircraft. This is just what I've heard tell me if I'm wrong.

@@WalrusWinking similar to a normal F-16

@@jurajsintaj6644 Yeah lil but the SU-57 is SUPPOSED to be stealth lol

duly noted.

The Flanker should have stayed high and way back and just kept illuminating the Yanks to keep them guessing while the Felon maneuvered to nail them as they went hunting the (non-existant) Flanker in the city.

Flanker could only see the US planes within 10 miles.

yup

Can we vote on Cap's tutu 'skin/colours"? Would pay

@@randalljones4370 A10 wings and engines on his little boots?

@@greylensman2834 Bless his Nomex socks.

Did you get the $ back from old one I hope?

No it cost more 😪

Even if the plane survived, the pilot wouldn't.

lol you new to dcs? plenty of video shown missile hit and the jet still flight, even when tac view said that jet is dead.

@@somsokca7836 I've been playing DCS for years, I rarely see an aircraft survive a direct hit from an Aim-120. If It did, it was a larger aircraft. The Felon just isn't modeled correctly. They said in the video that the Felon is taking more missiles than it should to bring down.

@@OverlordAntares I see fw-190's survive direct hits from aim-7 and aim-120's

In real life yes, but in game they wouldn't be able to see the Felon up that high.

I can live with that...

What radar dose the F-35 use?

@@Goober_____ It's an updated, somewhat scaled down version of the radar the Raptor uses. It might not actually be better, in some ways. The Raptor's radar is bigger and therefor a bit more powerful.

Every time I lose in F-22 I get in trouble with viewers.

yeah I feel like F35 plus F15EX would be the actual comparison here if everything in DCS was like the real world

The 22 should see everything the 35 sees and vice versa but I guess DCS doesn’t have that

both the F22 and F35 have the FC3 F15 Avionics in dcs

@@Mystical922 I mean, how many of these videos can't just be summed up as "how shitty is DCS's implementation of [x]"?

@@williamhumber5890 I mean they got one clean round off before it fell apart do to stupid stuff and really dumb trigger happy tactics probably DCS and human error

Ok will add what now.

@@grimreapers thanks

When they sent the Su-57 to Syria to conduct bombing missions they hadnt even finished the weapons management interface, they were literally using slide rules to work out where the manually released dumb bombs would land. Not that accuracy and collateral damage was something they ever cared about.

@@watcherzero5256 Lol, Russian engineering at its finest there.

@@djzoodude f22 missiles are changed to fit in the bay just like the su57

@@ferrous3262 I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Yes, the US developed modified missiles to fit in the internal weapons bays of the F-22 and F-35. What I am saying is that the Russians haven't done so yet. So the Su-57 can't carry its missiles internally like the F-35 or F-22.

well they dont lie as good as americans but uh...........

For some reason GR2 isn't struggling.

Noted.

@@grimreapers hell yeah, thanks Cap!😁✌

@@grimreapers not trying to bother you😅 Also very much looking forward to this Request-- U.S. Carrier Fleet 3rd* rematch VS Russian Carrier Fleet! U.S. Carrier Fleet has additional Iowa Class Battleship and LHA Amphibious Assault Ship with F-35's and Helicopters! U.S. Carrier has half F-18's and half F-14's!Please have F-18's take off first! Please have The Iowa Class Battleship next to The Carrier and Helicopters on Support Ships! Plus Human Pilots starting in flight with SU-34's and Super Hornet's!

I think we can all agree that the Russians don't have a well-integrated/ multi linked radar/tracking system in place. If they did the skies in Ukraine wouldn't be contested and Israeli F35's wouldn't have penetrated Iranian airspace without detection from its Russian air defense systems. The Russians use a three-frequency radar to help detect aircraft, but they would have a low detection rate on the f117 nighthawk which had a stealth signature three times the size of an f35 or f22. By the time these radar systems got a blip the Russian aircraft would be long gone. Getting a track would be a whole other story.

@@Sinkorswim1225 for Russian territory they do and it extends into parts of Europe. Apparently you've forgotten the F115 that got shot down by an obsolete Soviet system. VLF radars may be able to guide pilots to an optical tracking solution and the stealth fighters will have to rely on BVR missiles for self defence.

Sorry to break your communist bubble, but Russia would be the one getting pissed on in any real war scenario. There isn't a country on the planet powerful enough to "piss on" the U.S. #1 baby.

It's just no poss, we do our fights so differently.

@@grimreapers Ah, understandable and it's not surprising from the different video formats. Thanks for the explanation. 🐈‍⬛

Cus low frequency radar can only tell you that there's SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE, and that's about it. And any communication between surface-to-air missiles and ground radar, would just give away the location of the ground radar. This is all 70 year old technology. There's nothing new here. There's really nothing involved in stealth technology or missile technology, that wasn't widely known to everyone in the scientific community in the 1940's.

@@ashscott6068 Don't you know where the ground radar is anyway? (I thought lf-radars were generally left on all the time) and I think they're accurate to around 100 meters (correct me if I'm wrong) so not enough to target an aircraft, but certainly enough to point a fox3 in the right direction.

@@gail_blue I think the positional accuracy of those big low frequency radars is a lot worse than 100m so it might be enough to vector a plane into the vicinity of a stealth jet, but not enough accuracy for a missile. The other problem is that those radars are very big and not particularly mobile so they make easy to find targets that would be prime candidates for cruse missile strikes and SEAD missions in the opening hours of a conflict.

hmm

@@grimreapers if u dont trust me cap, take the viper to angels 40 and shut ur O2 system of😂

The biggest problem with this simulation + comments like yours is that we don't actually know how any of these work. Obviously we have a rough idea, but we can't know how exactly F-35/Su-57 work, so you can't say the Russians/Americans would have an advantage/disadvantage.

SU 35 + S-400 WILL BE SUFFICENT VS F22 F35 NO NEED OF KARASUKHA

@@MICLakVER Could be. However if you use stealth and use a radar (or any other active system) you give away your position. So in a steath fighter you need an AWACS to be your radar and than using a secure data link you get the data. I think that a Karasukha could jam this link between the AWACS and steath fighter and make the fighter blind. It could still use it's passive scanners. Maybe I am completly wrong.

@@philippe2715 no your logic is great karasukah jammed the link and f22 forced to use the radar and it give its position and if no jamming then s-400 will lock awacs at 400km and thats a trouble for f22 since no awacs suport and f22 forced to use its radar

Nope. I'll try find someone in mod community to fix them.

We have an old version of the mod but have been asked not to share until it's re-released sry.

Seems to be affecting about 80% of followers/subscribers. Prob just a YT bug.

Hehe

Watch some F-35 airshow demos, but u have to watch only the 2019-2022 ones. Those feature the full block 3F 9G rated f-35. Everything before that, F-35 was under some limits.

The New Zelander guy flies these planes really well.