This is basically, will the abrams run out of ammo before Rommel runs out of tanks? Tune in next time to find out on the next thrilling episode of exactly what you think will happen will happen

From an M1A1 gunner's seat Desert Storm perspective... every round I put on a T-72 was a full pen watch the tracer bounce off the ground behind them thing. The Pz IVs and Tigers didn't stand a chance, you wouldn't even need to break out the Silver Bullets (M829A1 APFSDSDU).

I LOVE that you chose the 6TH MLRS unit! I was 6/27FA BN from 2001-2007! STEEL RAIN!

I mean it's just like shooting fish in a barrel. There's no WWII tank capable of penetrating the front of an Abrams, even at point blank range. Besides that, Abrams just lazes the target and fires. The tank does all the aiming work for you, 99% guaranteed hit every single shot. The Germans, in their Panzers and Tigers however will inevitably miss the vast majority of their shots.... but even if they landed, they're not gonna do anything

As an actual Abrams driver, I would have been drooling uncontrollably. We would have needed LOGPAC to load more rounds. And it was probably warm, so crank the NBC unit and plug the hose in near your crank for max cooling. And the driver has the best position in the tank. If it’s snowing, the heater is right next to you. Driving in NVG’s sucks. But you’re a tank. Sorry about your barn/house/car/hydrant…

I was at ft Knox on business and had a couple of hours to kill back when it was an armor base. I found a side road that led to an observation post overlooking a range…. Every couple of minutes two tanks would roll up and engage targets and sometimes between rotations cobras and apaches would pop up and engage targets….. really great show until the military police showed up and invited me to go elsewhere…there were harsh words and a memo….still a great way to kill some time

"How many Tigers can a single M1A2 take out?" "Well, an M1A2 carries 42 rounds of ammunition. So if the Tigers advance in line formation, 126 or so."

And that's not using all the capabilities of the modern tank. Do it at night, using night vision and everything else, and run the Abrams into the German laager before they even move. Heck, you could replace the Abrams with M2 and M3 Bradleys and have one helluva fun run, too.

Knowing about the battle of 73 Eastings (from Gulf War 1), these results were not at all surprising. You guys should try this scenario again, but, with modern US infantry (with javelins and other ATGMs) instead of modern tanks and arty.

"Imagine that coming towards you" Abrams: I'm not outnumbered, I'm in a target rich environment

The question is: how many tanks could the M1s annihilate before the barrel melted?

The range on our Abrams was 5000 meters. I could laze out to that and any target at 1200 meters it felt like I was almost touching it so they never really felt far at all. My first training target shot was a moving tank at 3700 meters. It's just fun stuff

My father fought in this battle and many others against Rommel. He was in the NG when the war started and eventually was sent overseas in the Army. At one point he was part of a group attached to a British Chemical Battalion but I am not sure how long this lasted. He lost many friends throughout his term of service. I remember him talking about reaching over to tell a friend it was clear and he pulled back a handful of scalp and brains. Dad was injured after a battle by a booby trapped rifle and his left hand was shattered. They did rebuild it but some fingers never worked quite right. Needless to say he suffered from PTSD that was never really monitored. If he was drinking thunderstorms caused extreme reactions and I was pulled down behind furniture many times because of "flashbacks".

If an Abrams can get bushwhacked at close range by a T72 and have the round bounce off (as told to me by the platoon sergeant whose tank it was), then even the '88 wouldn't have any effect.

The German tanks wouldn't be firing on the move because they didn't have gyro stabilizers back in WW2. The US infantry would be equipped with Javelins + Carl Gustaf recoilless rifles so the infantry alone could probably lay waste to the German armored battalion from range.

A very good demonstration of why symetric warfare is no longer a thing.

35/40 years of technology difference. Obviously the cold war ended so we don't push as hard and the US just upgrades the M1 but its staggering how much tech evolves in such a short time.

I would imagine that the germans having to stop to fire accurately doesnt help. How about flipping it and having the US attacking and the Germans static.

Even if Zee Germans had guns that could penetrate the M1 Armour, all the Abrams would have to do is begin moving (while still being able to fire)

I want to thank the Grim Reapers for your entertaining videos, and all you veterans for your service. Freedom isn't free!

DPICM MLRS is the definition of "Bad guys can't be in that direction, if that direction doesn't exist anymore!"

The M1A2 is a truly amazing tank. You don't get a true appreciation for this beast until you stand right next to one. In the spirit of this video, perhaps GR could test out a JU87 D/G Stuka (or similar WW2 equivalent) tank buster aircraft out on the M1A2 and see if they could knock them out routinely?

At the end of this mighty battle a bunch of the lowest ranked enlisted were given brooms and told to "now go clean all that up".

This is why I love GR. You guys do the fun stuff

Now imagine how this would go down in real life, with dynamic action, and infantry equipped to fight armor; portable ATGM launchers are no joke, either! (Obviously, I know that can't be modeled in DCS; just fun to think about.)

2022 to 1943 is 79 years apart. If you go back 79 years from 1943, you are in 1864 - smack in the middle of the American civil war. Would weapons from the civil war be a viable in WW2? Perhaps not. None the less, K fans these videos very interesting.

M1A1 -the AMP is to be effective against bunkers, infantry, light armor, and obstacles out to 500 meters, and will be able to breach reinforced concrete walls and defeat ATGM teams from 500 to 2,000 meters

“You carpeted them” “You didn’t even use a bomber” “But you still carpeted them!”

6800-meter non-sabot. over 10.000 elevated tested m1a2d. on target 8 of 10 shots. (Yuma range) mystery round. project scraped for super 6 + GPS round. Also tested a new barrel for abrams. Don't know which models.

could we see yourself vs growling sidewinder that would be epic, 2 great sim pilots facing off what a showdown

All you guys needed was a squadron of A-10 Warthogs to rain fire from on high.

Patton would have loved this! I know I did. I always wonder what just one squadron of modern fighters would have done in the hands of the allies . Hell, just 35 F-4E's with sufficient fuel for 3000 sorties. 1500 GBU-15's. 100,000 rounds for the gun, and craploads of AIM7 and AIM9 missiles. I think we could have wiped out the Nazi war machine in about two weeks. Maybe less. A nice dream......

This is like space ships fighting camel mounted troops.

On 1940s tech vs. Current, the Hydraulic Press channel did a demonstration of a hardened steel 60° cone, pressed 450 tonnes into 45mm armor steel from a T-34 upper plate, and it took considerable force but did punch through it. A modern AR500 armor plate blunted the cone with the same pressure.

If you've never been near a 155mm howitzer firing...it's an experience. That earth-shaking *thud* when it goes off....

Ohh man this is beautiful, beautiful just like that B1 strike you did on the enemy convoy. Love this. GET SOME

That german camouflage would be the colour of my underpants if I was in one of those tigers

I'm surprised that the Paladins didn't have their sister vehicle along for the ride. The M992, also known as the C.A.T. was the unarmed (though, with crew served weapons on the top) track vehicle that carried the rest of the gun crew's ammo, and they would have realistically resupplied the gun as they were firing. They would typically be carrying an additional 95 rounds for the gun, in addition to the propellant charges to make them go boom. lol

Only discovered your channel a couple of weeks ago and I’d only seen naval sims till now. But now I’m seeing a land battle which makes the channel twice as awesome 👍

I pretty much already knew.The Abrams and the M270.Were going to win the battle.

May as well have a Abram's v battle of agincore bowman deployment. Technology changed for a reason

Yes! There is some 88 damage to the Abrams. A couple of dents in the armor and needing of the new paint job.

Can you do thisfor both german and Russian against modern like you did here for the battle of kursk

Luv these hypothetical battles :) Thanks GR!

ICM works fine on modern tanks so it would slaughter the WW2 junk. Their top armor was less than a inch thick.

Are infantry shouldered ant-tank weapons modeled in DC? If so, can we see a play through where the WWII US infantry are equipped with NLAW and or Javelin's??? Topical sort-of-ish...

Hey cap, got a cool video idea. Its’s sorta Like the birds and the bees, but one side gets helis and one side gets fighter jets. The helis have to get from one airbase to another airbase, but can be attacked by fighter jets. However, the fighter jets can only use unguided and laser guided bombs to hit them.

Imagine its 2050 and SU-57, SU75, F-22, F-35 , J-20 and J-31 fighters team up and do a formation on the sky to fight aliens, man that'll be so cool and awesome to watch

Ahhh this is first time I’ve seen this! Very cool I just learned the 155’s don’t have to hit targets , getting close is pretty much the same as direct hit! The Missiles are Amazing and if these are close to how they work I’ll be buying a lot of those .

The DPICM that the MLRS units were firing might not have been very effective against the German tanks, but a 155mm HE round, if it were to score a direct hit, would have wrecked them. Would have been interesting also to give the Paladins Excalibur ammunition, if that were possible. Finally, as a former 13B myself, who crewed on a M109A6 Paladin...rockets aren't real artillery. Hahaaaa

CAP, you mention in your assessment at the end, what if anything a WWII tank could do to a modern tank. I'm a former Armor Officer and current MI officer and I often think through different equipment mixes and how much obsolete force would be required to overwhelm a modern force. How well would a M1A2, Leopard2A6, Challenger2, hold up against a PLT/CO of Tigers or Panthers in a scrum? A few recommendations have been posted below, but here is my recommendation: Determine what the absolute minimum force would be required for a modern armored combat team to destroy the 10th Armored BDE in this scenario? I think, you must run the scenario during daylight to preserve historical accuracy of the German force, but decrease the modern force size to 1x M1A2 Plt (4x tanks x 40rds = 160 shots) and 2x M2A2 Mech Plts (25mm + TOW2 Missiles). Then to keep them from getting completely overwhelmed by sheer numbers, have a AH-64 flight (2x 16 Hellfires) on call to reinforce as necessary. The other quick scenario would be 4x Tigers (dispersed) vs 1x M1A2 starting at 500m and see if the platoon of Tigers can get any penetration shots on the Abrams as it maneuvers to engage.

Alternate title: how a zombie apocalypse is patently ridiculous.

Perhaps some AH-64 air support to the rescue.

Short Answer: *YES!*

lol an 88 wouldnt even scratch an Abrams at any range!, you could replace every German tank in that battalion with the Maus wielding the 12.8 cm Pak 44 and it wouldn't worry the Abrams!

Some say the turrets of some destroyed panzer 4s and 6s are still in orbit to this day.

This was pretty good. Cap. Can you do this again with just half the Abrams. Would love to see what that would look like.

I think halfway through that the American tanks should have charged ahead. IRL that would have been a morale killer.

There's vanishingly few weapons systems capable of penetrating the frontal armor of an Abrams, even on the modern battlefield. There's no way a WW2 tank, at any range, is doing it. The Germans never stood a chance. It was just a matter of how fast the Abrams could kill a target and move on. Most one sided tank battle since the Battle of 73 Easting in the first Gulf War.

At some point if you are in the panzers you have to remember you had an appointment across town….” Scuse me guys….just gonna run back to the base….I think I left the kettle on….I’ll be right back’

These videos are flippin' fantastic. I literally shouted out loud when the first MIRV came out "Holy $@%!!"

Next video : find a supercomputer that will run DCS, and reenact the Battle of Kursk. What if the Soviets had had modern Russian tanks?

How about just inf with javelins?

What a great video. More tanks please. U all doing a great work and so entertaining to watch.

Tank destroyers should have been replaced with bradleys or m901s. Tow missiles FTW lol

Every video is amazing, keep it up lads.

This was so satisfying to watch Cap!

Agreed, overly one-sided yet very satisfying to watch! Video Valued by Valued Viewer - Fly Army! 🚁

Just good old-fashioned fun. More please!

I should hope that none of this surprises anyone. From what I have seen, your community is expert with all aspects of modern air and naval combat. Maybe you have less experience with modern land combat. Just off the top of my head, I could have told you that none of the German equipment would have been able to scratch any of the Abrams tanks. Maybe a Tiger at very short range. Maybe. On the other hand, the Abrams would be able to comfortably destroy any German vehicle out to 3 km, with 4 kills per 5 shots. So, as soon as the Germans are within 3 km, each American tank would need two shots at most, definitely less than a minute, and the entire German tank force would have been erased. Next time, try it with just two platoons of Abrams tanks, instead of a full battalion, and you will still get pretty much the same result, except it will take longer. OK, I have to admit a bit of surprise. The main purpose of the APC was to get infantry through the defender's artillery. Are 155s enough to knock out those halftracks? Maybe, but you'd still need a lot of direct hits, not something artillery does. In any case, in WW2 terms, facing that much heavy artillery in those days was pretty unlikely. But I'm not familiar with the rocket artillery. What are they firing to wipe out so many APCs so quickly? As for the American infantry, that alone would have been quite enough to take out the entire German attack by itself. Maybe not if they're just standing around in the open, but seriously, they weren't doing that, were they? So, even a couple decades ago, we are talking about one LAW per squad, plus one Dragon per platoon, or something like that. None of this is hypothetical. it's all been heavily tested. And it appears to be being demonstrated yet again right now in Ukraine. Properly trained, copiously supplied with rounds, and properly employed, each ATGM team will be reaping advancing enemy tanks like grain out to 2 km.

Abrams is overkill. A platoon of M48s would probably do the job.

1 company of Abrams could have stopped that attack on their own. The panzers would be destroyed before they were close enough to even fire

If it only could have happened this way. I grew up with two friends one of which had a grandfather killed at Kasssere and the other had his father wounded there in a Sherman.

Could they win? Will the AI jank? Entertainment will be witnessed.

Image if you let the M270’s reload to unitary and fire a second volley onto that hilltop as the tanks were rolling over. Also, will DCS allow for time on target missions? It was always glorious to watch all the launchers fire at once. 6/37 (2009-2011) 5/3 (2011-2014)

Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but one of the players commented that the MLRS was using "dual-purpose incendiary cluster munition". If he was referring to "DPICM", he's incorrect in his description. "DPICM" means "dual-purpose improved conventional munition". They weren't incendiary munitions, but rather a mix of submunitions that included anti-armor and ant-personnel capabilities. Some also had submunitions that, if the fuse wasn't activated by a target, then is essentially became a mine.

When I read the title I was like "yes of course... what's the catch?" The innovation in tank technology (gun, armor and more importantly: targeting) makes this a no-brainer. If you could map AI morale, the Afrika Korps would've been maneuvering like mad during the assault... then running once they saw how ineffective their tanks were.

Great video, well executed destruction of the German ground forces. Just an aside, Cap, have you heard of the Mach Loop? You can see lots of videos about it on here. Not as good as an airshow, but it is free.

love your 'what if' re-enactments Cap. be interested to know how long these scenarios take to set up in DCS. Are we talking hours, days ??

That was extremely satisfying to watch.

I want to see current Swedish army with CV90 and Archer with bonus shells doing this

The 88 MM gun on the Tiger was fast for it's time 3700 fps. but an Abrams would be almost immune except at point blank range. The 120 MM gun on the Abrams has a much higher muzzle velocity 5700 fps. and has a heavier projectile. Except, maybe at extreme angles it would go right through a Tiger's armor. There's pictures where it went through the enemies gun barrel

On top of the range and armor superiority the Abrams would have on these guys, the Abrams cam fire effectively while moving without trouble. So just turn around before the enemy gets close enough to fire on you and drive away while still annihilating them.

What type of fire missions were the artillery doing? Just traditional or where the angle is changed with each shot so the rounds all impact at the same time?

I was actually in the 6/27th field artillery MLRS/ATACMS I was in Desert Shield/Storm we were the only unit with ATACMS at the time because literally we were in White Sands, New Mexico field testing ATACMS and when we returned to Ft. Sill within like two weeks is when Sarah Hussein was threatening to go into Kuwait. They decided that we should take it over there since we were the only unit with it and to get actual combat experience with it and we were there months before anybody knew we were there

Forget the fact that the panzers we’re literally bouncing APFSDS off their armour I am more dumbstruck by the fact that the APFSDS could physically bounce instead of shattering like it usually does lol. DCS is one interesting game I’ll say.

I use to be in an MLRS unit, 1/27 FAR, 41st BDE (Germany) and 75th Artillery (Ft Sill). They didn't call us "Gridsmashers" for nothing. I'm guessing that you didn't consider the ATACMS missiles. Paladins have a "18 mile" range, 36 miles if using copperheads. The unclassified range of the M270A1 is 180 miles. Did you use the DU/Sabot rounds on the Abrams?

Using modern communication and tactics would easily win.

An Abram would have been enough fire power to overwhelm anything Germany could deliver. So yes quite easily.

The fun part is, those M270s are at least a generation or two behind the cutting edge. We don't even use the DPICM anymore, because we've found new and more inventive ways to erase grid squares without having to worry about a bunch of dud submunitions after the fact. It's hard to believe having seen that slaughter, but it could have gone so much worse for the Germans.

Hey, question. Who designed the bigger bullet rounds for each theater over wars up to know. can you give one over your classic breakdowns for us? Maybe .50 and up. maybe some people see inside those rounds to understand their effectiveness and how and when the used in a fight Thx Cap huuoaa

Would love to see more modern tanks go up against each other the way you do your other videos

I was my Batailons top Dragon gunner back in the early 90's. The Dragons a wire guided anti tank missile. The M1 does have a few week spots. Right where the turret meets the hull and in the back where the engine exhaust is.

Unless they've changed the MTOE since I got out, an MLRS platoon is 3 launchers, not 4, giving each battery 6 launchers, and each battalion 18 launchers. 214th Fires Brigade, inactivated in 2015, was the only MLRS pure brigade in the Army.

From what I understand with the battle of kasserine pass, Patton mostly utilized more of his artillery and anti tank units( Half tracks with anti tank gun) against Rommel's tanks. They've taken out most of German units from distance using their long toms(155mm) and those guns did the most of the damage to the Germans before the anti tank units have engaged German armor. Nice video and keep it up.

That was exciting to see

15:30 A driver that crested that hill and saw all of those funeral pyres would either turn around or jump out and start running away.

Now give them some air support, too. Lets be kind and do only four Apaches.

The dismounted infantry woulda been only challenge for company of tanks and that would only be because barrels heating firing that much as Germans had nothing that could damage anything on an abram accept LRF or optics

This sounds like Fort Hood tank training in the 90's on any given day/night of the week