abrams vs tiger is like bringing a shotgun to a fist fight

You guys should do some sort of Desert Storm scenario with an Abrams vs a few T-55s, T-62s, and one T-72A

Considering the Abrams can far outrange the Tiger, don't think it'd even be that close. I remember a guy who was in Desert Storm talking about how they were watching shells from the T-62/T-72s facing them falling short and then firing back with plenty of range and killing the Iraqi tanks.

its a shame a lot of people dont do these sort of custom game scenarios. would really appreciate and watch more of these

how unrealistic that an Abrams could even dream of penetrating the glorious Krupstahl that is the tiger tank. and there is no way that a tiger tank cannot penetrate the Abrams turret at any range up to 5000 meters, totally unrealistic. Edit: this is probably my most liked comment yet lol.

Tiger 1: Bullies Shermans Abrams: Hold my beer (Time travels)

WT is fun as hell but the damage mechanics are often ludicrous and in no way match what out-of-game Protection Analysis, or just basic reasoning, tells you; the 120mm throwing APFSDS should have no problem causing enough spalling that any cabin hit would knock out pretty much any tank, buuuut in-game things will just absorb and ricochet those massive, incredibly fast, incredibly dense darts. I mean this is a game where the BMP-1 will bounce or soak APFSDS from the front and where SPAA HE spam will ammorack just about anything.

I've said it before and I'll say it again these challenge videos are ABSOLUTE BANGERS!! we all appreciate the hard work that goes into all this. Thank you for the great content!

The abrams would simply retreat out of reasonable range for the tiger and pick them off one by one, the speed and range advantage would allow the abrams to choose the battlefield

Correction for myself: Tigers don't get smoke shells! Also HEATFS may have actually worked better against the Tigers!

Frankly, I think the Abrams are hard nerfed for this fight from the loss of hunter-killer ability alone. The ability of the commander to find, designate, and range targets independently of the gunner engaging them is a huge advantage over the tigers.

This is a great video. Can you try A-10 with unguided weapons vs WW2 SPAA? This would be cool.

18:05 superior german machigun port working 100%

I still can't believe how much this channel is growing well done Muffin!

When deciding how to best fight this battle, the Abrams commander should of course maximize the strengths of his tank over the opponent. The Abrams has superior firepower and mobility, and while the M1 frontal arc is impervious to the Tiger, nevertheless the Tigers firepower has to be respected as flank hits could penetrate and any hit could be a mobility kill. As fought, the Abrams commanders acted stupidly. Going up into a hull down, firing once, backing down and the going up to essentialy the same hull down in effect presents a stationary target to the attacking Tigers. If the Abrams commander wants to play the armor card and is banking on the frontal arc being impervious to the Tigers, then just stay in the one hull down spot and pump out the rounds. If the engagement started when the sides were at 2000m apart, in two minutes the Abrams will have sent 14-16 rounds downrange, while the Tigers could only have closed the gap by 750m (assuming a speed of 20kph). So after two minutes there would have been at least a dozen dead Tigers and the remaining handful would still have 400-500 to travel before they were even within engagement range of the Abrams. If the Abrams commander wanted to play the mobility card, traverse across the battlefield more or less hull down, creating a quicky moving target for the Tigers to try to hit. Abrams incredible fire control and shoot on the move capability means its accuracy is only slightly diminished while forcing Tiger gunners to track and hit a target moving across their front. The changing range, deflection angles and applying lead will put the Tiger accuracy in the toilet. Tiger commanders will want to stay still longer to provide a stable base for their gunners, making them sitting ducks for the M1. M1 commanders could be running the engine smoke generators most of the time obscuring their precise location from the Tigers.

As someone who commanded one of these, the only thing the Tigers could do is a mobility kill to the powerpack from behind, as the M1 has no armor from behind, the powerpack is the armor from behind. Also, any of the kinetic energy penatrators, would sprall kill the crew of the tiger, so over pen is not a factor. The 88mm on the Tiger even with the apcr ammo type does not have the ability to penetrate the M-1's armor from any angle, you might as well be throwing rocks at the M-1. You might get a lucky hit to either or both of the gunners or commanders sights, , or even knock off a track, but you can't actually kill the M-1 with a Tiger.

I feel like this should be done on multiple maps, one of them being that long range desert map

Also, abrams can travel fast and hit all targets accurately and the tigers usually have to stop to accurately fire.

Man this event was awsome lmao, can't believe I didn't die from the first 2 shots from the abrams during that first round (I was the only H1 during that match lol)

lol intro music from c&c generals, i'm glad to hear that

congrats Odd, when I heard you were going to be the abrams i knew you would win. You also showed that working together can also help alot. good job

This is like Deadliest Warrior but with tanks, but could you imagine Ww2 if the US had Abrams, the Germans would probably be in absolute panic when they realized they lost their tiger from a shot that came from 3000 meters away and have no clue what it was. And when they see an Abrams and it's armor and manoeuvrability they realized they've been out engineered.

In one of the three battles do the M1 Abrams utilize their speed and accuracy while mobile. The Abrams could've easily taken Tigers out at range, focusing on one side more than the other, and then charge the weaker side while placing terrain between their weaker armor and the Tigers they're leaving behind. As they close range on any remaining Tigers on that side, their strongest armor is facing the Tigers so they won't get penetrated at all. At the same time, they're destroying Tigers with every shot ... or they should be. No Tiger is going to take a shot from an Abrams and both crew and tank survive as a functional unit. Once the Abrams have wiped the walls with the Tigers on that side, they simply do a 180 and confront the other side, again from long range.

I think an interesting test would be one Abrams vs 7-10 Tigers, but have the Abrams hunt the tigers which are in defensive positions.

It would be way better with direct footage of the Abrams instead of the in-game replay

I’m just imagining the skill of the tank crew in a real scenario, like how good their coordination has to be to pull of movement and shots like these.

Greats video, as always. And THANK YOU!

Honestly for the abrams to be taken out, the Tigers would have to gang up on it and the Abrams be low on ammunition. But the Sabot round that an Abrams fires is more than enough to go through a Tiger’s armor.

With a good Abrams player, the result is determined by how much the player is willing to wait after finding a position (or perhaps after re-positioning). If they get impatient, they get slapped. If they hold their ground, eventually, their opponents will have to come to them and expose themselves. Honestly, the best tactic once the Abrams player is found would be for a couple people to keep throwing smoke in their face so that they either have to re-position, or push out of the smoke to prevent people from closing the distance. At that point, two people who would have flanked prior would be waiting to take a side shot.

Considering one of the big advantages of the Abrams is its ability to fire accurately while on the move, not a very realistic scenario have it sit in the same place. Also, with its better range and sights, it should have been able to take out most if not all the Tigers before they could even get within range.

I love watching your content! ❤ keep it up!

Great to see another one! Love these.

Oddbawz is an exceptional player. I loved this video.

I was looking at the way Odd was using the Abrams and noticed he was using the Abrams exactly how it is used IRL in open fields

Why do the crosshairs in sniper mode twitch around so much and then sort of snap onto their targets?

This is awesome! Nice job!

All the Abrams has to do is keep moving during the engagement. It’s ability to target and shoot on the go is what made Desert Storm such a turkey shoot. That and the Chobham armor that bounced T shells off.

I mean if the tiger manages to hit the abrams barrel it’s only one that’s needed and if the tigers coordinate their push so they flank from two different sides at the same time then it’s two

I think the Abrams vs some T34-85’s would be interesting as a few countries still used them after the Abrams was introduced irl

I’m just starting the video but the answer is about 40, because that’s about the number of rounds the m1 can carry, and that’s only if it has time to stop in a jibe because it would have to manually reload the ammo rack from the rack behind the tc.

Half the tigers would break down before leaving the spawn spot

Finally , we got Collab with Oddbawz , That Literally Wotb and Wt collabs that we didn't need , but worth it

Great commentary, and awesome video!

Can u maybe do this with a leopard like leopard 2 vs Sherman’s ? Would be nice to see

Now the Tigers get to find out what it was like to be a Sherman in WW2.

These are great and I'm hoping for more of them but I wish you'd still do some regular vehicle vids too.

Been waiting for this one

These videos are cool. I *think* a good way to "simulate" WW2 tech vs more modern technology would be for the Abrams to have access to 3rd person (simulates sensors for more awareness) and the WW2 tanks stuck in first person view

The 88mm "Can Not" penetrate the Abrams frontal armour !!! A silly sim ! The Abrams can Kill all of them at great distance, it wouldn't even be a long fight !! Sgt, Semper Fi

the fact that u put super skilled players in the good vehicles kinda unfair

Great play-by-play commentary!! It kept me engage, and I don't even play this game. But, maybe I will after this.

You should do the Tiger 1 H vs T-34(1940) thing where a lone Tiger 1 held off a whole tank battalion of 50 or so T-34s. Basically, the T-34s retreated and the Tiger 1 claimed 17 kills with 5 knock outs. But the Tiger 1 actually ran out of AP ammo and had to resort to using HE ammo. Took 67 hits from Russian F-34 76mm, none of which penetrated.

Why does the abrams scope have parkinson's

Before I watch or read anything, I always like guessing at these theoretical encounters. The M1 has computer guided aiming, superior armor, and superior projectiles. (Either AP or HE would work on WWII armor) The Tigers would have to flank the M1 and either aim for the tracks or get behind it and hit the engine. And Tigers only have iron sights, and the M1 is very fast if the crew wants it to be (45 mph max)

yes thank you bro

I miss Daddy Phly, wish he was out there with Odd.

This scenario is every reformist dream

I love these vids man

0:19 bro you accidently made a rhyme better than I ever did in my life😂

I love that Odd is collabing with you in these challenges. It is so cool

How about a realistic WW2 battle on the eastern front? heres the lineup: USSR side: 2x IS-2 2x IS-1 2x T-34-85(D-5T) 1x KV-2 1x KV-1S 1x ASU-57 2x ISU-152 1x T-34-57 1x T-34(1942) 1x KV-85 1x SU-85M German side: 2x Nashorn 1x Sturer Emil 2x Pz. IV J 2x Panther D 1x Panther A 2x Tiger H1 1x Tiger E 1x Pz. IV H 1x Stug III G 1x Panzer IV/70(V) 1x Jagdpanzer IV Does this seem fair, if you end up doing it in a video, feel free to edit it to make it more fair. Thanks!

It's funny that they call it "cowardly" to sit back and pop over the hill. That's literally what the Abrams was designed for lol

A Tiger bouncing an Abrams saber round.... War Thunder physics.

In all honesty though, this is still a video game. An Abrams isn't invincible in real life, but it would be fine against this many relics.

Do this again but with the T-80, Challenger 2, Leclerc, and Leopard 2.

being able to hide behind a hill to reload while just taking them out one by one and the Tigers not getting smoke shells makes it impossible to lose for the Abrams

Notice it's the earlier M1IP armed with M68 105mm gun, therefore the barrel is rifled. Still, this gun and APFSDS rounds should have no difficulty defeating a Tiger I armor at any range.

It takes 1 more than however many shells the abrams can hold.

I feel what would be more interesting to do next time is have the vehicles being hunted move from spot to spot. It'd be more dynamic and a little more fair seeing as the defenders tactic was just sit in a corner of the map.

I don't know why, but I'm always rooting for the ww2 vehicles in these videos

Tigers never moved that fast and just that makes this ridiculous

The number of Tigers killed by 1 Abrams tank would be limited to the number of HEAT/SABOT rounds the Abrams can hold. The number of Abrams tanks killed would be virtually based upon the Abrams fuel and ammo capacity.

The apfsds are slicing throu tigers rather than punching innit?

i love what u do never stop it

As an ex M1 gunner and driver, we are trained to hide behind defilades and drive up, fire and back down out of sight. This is normal operations unless they changed tactics from my time in service in the 80's

Can they make a night fight version?The Abrams should have a big advantage thanks to night/heath vision!

Interesting that you have the armor on the Abrams so thin. I thought it was equivalent to 40+ inches of steel. Same with pen on its rounds. The Abrams would do well to use its speed and relocate to better positions.

Other issues, the Abrams tanks used depleted Uranium armor and ammo. They also had a layer of reactive and ceramic plate. The Tiger at best was firing either Tool Steel or tungsten rounds. It would have taken a very lucky shot to knock out the engine and the tracks are tough too.

Man y’all just got a sub..tho oddbawZ in the Abrams who next Justinplays? Loving this ❤

Yeah, saying again, sitting at the spawn and using the radar might be "smart" but for the "challenge" it's 100% not fair fight ! If you're challenging the Abrams as vehicle to find out if it's 10 times better than the Tiger by doing a 10v1 challenge, at least set the fights better. This is like a duck hunt in one of the worst designed maps in the entire game, if not the worst... Try Mozdok, Karelia, Normandy, Hürtgen...

great video as always

The biggest problem with this fight is that you would have to transfer from the semi-ready and hull racks at some point. Luckily, modern .50 cal rounds could at least disable the Tiger. Not being a WT player, why does the Abrams reticle look so different than the real thing? And why does it not use it's thermal sight? Why not mod it to be more realistic?

The bounces are related to how the physics engine works in game and not reflective of a situation where these two vehicles would meet at all.

I love this video. I like kyle videos. But there is a price of being the best. Decision of high pressure just aren't for the soft light hearted. He makes some very good points but with the splitting of the atom he has learned so much from the lessons learned from trinity. This is a case pf not living in the real wolrd and from a place of entitlement. Since the dawn of man the biggest stick wins and secures a future.

I think when it comes to urban battle. The tanks odds against another are fair one on one. The advantage of the abrams are its range, firing while moving, night vision and thermal imaging. Sensors dont matter on this fight since the tiger are not using infrared to target the abrams, thus giving the abrams indication that its being targeted. Maybe if the abrams has link to a scout drone. Thats another whole level advantage. As seeing your enemy, tactics and posture in real time is a game changer as we saw happen in actual war in ukraine.

I smiled when that kruppstahl bounced a long rod depleted uranium penetrator

i love that at 8:25 he immediately know a tiger was about to be there, suuuuuus

Maus vs Abrams, 60 Tons of Freedom against 200t of German enginiering

Unfortunately game balance did the abrams dirty here. All those tigers would be dead before they could get close enough to tske a shot

I’ve done this with a King Tiger… The way an Abrams just detonates is beautiful

Since Abrams has the speed and range advantage. As many as the shell capacity. Plus Abrams doesn't have to stop for accurate fire.

That was a blast

Why does the scope shaking in the abrams tank??

Reminds me of testing my friend’s skill in the Turms with me in the German captured bulldog

the first abrams had a literal skill issue

So a bit of trivia and to show the potential of an Abrams. In the first gulf war operation desert storm a single Abrams was discovered to have knocked out 2 T-72s which have a significantly thicker hide than a tiger I would point out that under the right circumstance an Abrams child knock out certainly 2 possibly 3

C&C Generals Zero hour ost , awesome !

Now for the German big cats revenge. Do a Leopard 2 vs Shermans...

Would like to see an F16 or F22 vs several Japanese A6M Zeros.

Is that command and conquer soundtrack? Dope