Groomed to Practice Polygamy in Incestuous Cult as a Gay Man

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One of the most sacred tenants of The Order, a fundamentalist polygamous break of sect of the mainstream mormon/LDS church, is living polygamy. Nephi knew he was gay, but hid it most of his life because living authentically was never an option for him. He was essentially assigned a wife at a young age and had 7 children before he realized he couldn’t pretend anymore. His father, who had 14 wives and over 160 children was pushing him to take another wife, so he came out to him. Nephi was told he was gay for various reasons such as eating too much chicken and he needed to stay faithful lest he go to the depths of Hell. Thankfully, he didn’t listen, got out and isn’t hiding his true self any longer.
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Chapter Markers:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:13 Nephi's polygamous family dynamic
00:03:59 Oldest of 13 kids in immediate family- parentification at 8-10 yrs old
00:05:40 Women are responsible for the chiIdren and income
00:08:42 ChiId labor in The Order
00:11:22 What Nephi's dad Daniel was like
00:15:03 Pre-destined families
00:20:28 Dance cards for betrothals at 16 yrs old
00:26:30 Allowed genres and dance styles for the dances
00:28:08 Being gay was not an option
00:29:55 TW: suic*de ideation
00:32:28 The struggles of being gay with no support
00:34:07 Daniel chose Nephi's college major
00:38:35 The courting process of The Order- no dating till engaged
00:41:53 Nephi's engagement
00:43:28 Plural wives get to make up their last name
00:45:09 Getting married & being pressured to take another wife
00:52:07 Nephi's mom's medical negligence
00:58:19 How Daniel reacted when Nephi came out to him
01:06:45 Nephi's family's reaction to him coming out and leaving
01:09:22 Conversion therapy?
01:15:21 When Nephi left to start a new life, what was it like?
01:18:35 How Nephi is doing now
01:20:28 Linda, Listen
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@Maguire708Julie Ай бұрын

In my opinion Daniel should be charged with the murder of Nephi’s mother.

@monicamacneille3372 Ай бұрын

Definitely. I wonder if Nephi could help make that happen?

@kathymccoy330 Ай бұрын

Came here to say the same thing.

@IngridKB Ай бұрын

Sounds exactly like what Scientology does to the members

@candiceyoung8244 Ай бұрын

I agree as a survivor myself. Without proper medical intervention I would not be here. She deserved to be treated properly by medical professionals period. God rest her. I agree 100 percent with you

@Chelseabee55 Ай бұрын

I fully agree. There’s a lot he should be charged with

@susanheminger338 Ай бұрын

What a sweet man. I come from a conservative Christian upbringing. I had a few crushes on gay guys in college because they were so kind and didn't give off toxic masculinity. I can totally imagine being an order girl and wanting to marry a man like this because he would be kind and feel safe. Good for him for bravely figuring out his life and for wanting to protect his children. Blessings!❤

@lw6084 Ай бұрын

53 woman, I’ve been attracted to gay men my entire life. Especially androgynous people. 🤷‍♀️ They still make great friends.

@jenniferbrdar4605 Ай бұрын

@@lw6084if I was in a conservative Christian situation, as a butch lesbian, I would be okay marrying this gentleman, because I know he's not a wife beating jackass and I'd protect him.

@valkyrie1066 2 күн бұрын

I feel you. Yes, the gay male friends I had were the ONLY ones who weren't.....well, topically masculine. I wish the best for this man. I've always been happier in a group of gay male friends than with a crowd of straight men.

@francisnopantses1108 Ай бұрын

Treating cancer with a TENS machine? He killed her with narcissism.

@verucasalty5 Ай бұрын

Wow. Just wow. Lesbian here who grew up in a southern Baptist setting.......I'm so sorry Nephi, I know what it feels like to wear a mask for many many years. My family hasn't really communicated with me since they got word I was "tainted" at 16, I'm 42 now. I'm happy you got out but I am so sorry you had to go thru that. Much love to you

@nerysghemor5781 Ай бұрын

Damn, I'm sorry you had to deal with that!! My grandparents were Southern Baptists and my dad to this day will say he doesn't agree with homosexual practice...but there was a very, very strong principle that WAY overrode any disagreements, that we do not turn our back on family, and my uncle and his partner were treated with much more kindness. The one thing is that my uncle wasn't allowed to bring his partner to my grandparents' house, but my mom and dad made sure I got to meet both of them and they were a part of my life.

@lizzybeary Ай бұрын

Break the silence. Break the cycle.

@katwitanruna Ай бұрын

I was just about to say this but I’m late to the party this morning. Truer words were never spoken! ❤

@bridmcgrath3606 Ай бұрын

@@katwitanrunaabsolutely ❤

@greg-op2jh Ай бұрын

Amen!

@valkyrie1066 2 күн бұрын

YES. My family was Amish initially. With all the generational trauma that brings. I was the tie dyed sheep of the bunch. The FIRST to say....wait, WHAT? So I got punished A LOT. Haven't changed that attitude. BEATING someone with a Bible will not produce a Christian. If they would take the time to read and understand it.....What I got from the bible was....love your family and neighbors, don't kill, don't steal, don't covet.......I get it, and I AGREE with all that. (Though I do not consider the Bible a textbook; I DO agree with some of the sentiment.) It's just the people I was raised with did not get that out of the Bible, they apparently got something entirely else out of it. NO. It stops HERE. My one sibling continues the path......the other two? NO WAY. NOT DOING THAT ANY MORE. My child is LGBTQ+ and I love them with ALL of my heart. Why? Because GOD wanted it that way!!!!!!!

@sab3295 Ай бұрын

😂😂that’s funny af…. Gay because you ate too much chicken.

@we.r.wine.bottles.im.at.work. Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@sab3295 Ай бұрын

@@we.r.wine.bottles.im.at.work.and mating season…. That’s funny.

@awright1484 Ай бұрын

My friend’s grandmother said that she was gay because her mother wore jogging pants when she was pregnant with her 🤦🏻‍♀️

@DustinHawke Ай бұрын

It's insane people can actually think crap like this and be serious about it. smh If there is a God, they have to be shaking their head and facepalming on a regular basis.

@sab3295 Ай бұрын

@@DustinHawke seriously!!!

@MarkLee-dc2sl Ай бұрын

Daniel clearly killed Nephis mother. The average person would be charged with murder. Just mind-boggling??

@BeingLolaStar Ай бұрын

I wonder if there is a way to charge something like medical neglect and falsely giving medical advice without a license. While "lesser" charges, I think those might be a lot more likely to make it through the court system.

@MarkLee-dc2sl Ай бұрын

@@BeingLolaStar Yeah, murder is a bit overboard. I think negligence or involuntary manslaughter would be more like it. But the fact is, he was a factor in her death.

@rosehannah4845 Ай бұрын

Daniel needs to go to jail for his MANY crimes.

@michaelgillis9420 Ай бұрын

There’s probably police/judges/prosecutors that are in The Order and they protect their own.

@irmastevens3277 Ай бұрын

Shelise’s face when he talked about mating season 😂😂 The only thing you can do is laugh because otherwise you’d cry or vomit!

@mostvaluableproduction Ай бұрын

Each additional former member's perspective hits he harder than the last.

@greg-op2jh Ай бұрын

I am glad to have watched this despite it triggering my religious trauma. Power to Survivors! 🌈❣️Thank you for always being an Ally! ❤

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

@debbyfazfphotography Ай бұрын

Oh my! 15, and a college Freshman?! 😮 I give you so much credit, Nephi. You put up with SO much! Glad you got out! All the best!

@mentallydisturbedscience8900 Ай бұрын

“To thine own self be true.” -William Shakespeare

@annakonneker Ай бұрын

Spoken by Polonius in Act I Scene III of Hamlet

@bethcote9978 Ай бұрын

Polonius giving long list of advice to his son Laertes, which also included: a borrower nor lender be.

@lorrainefranchi9105 Ай бұрын

Yeah I thought that one was Shakespeare

@jrr7312 Ай бұрын

Another Order interview. Shelise, will you continue interviewing former Order members? It would be interesting to hear from a mother in the Order that has left. Every single member who has left is brave and Nephi is breaking the cycle for his kids.

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

Trying soooo hard to get Val’s mom on

@jwright615 Ай бұрын

Cathy rocks , u can see the spunk still in their they didn't breed or beat it out of em . Val, shanelle, and Cathy got fight in them ! Whoopwhoop

@jrr7312 Ай бұрын

🤞🤞

@denisepace3229 Ай бұрын

@@jwright615Cathy is his aunt his mom is Shirley ❤ but both are awesome spunky women

@jwright615 Ай бұрын

Your absolutely right I'm sorry I was so worked up watching earlier ty for correcting that but yes Cathy is aswell I think she makes the soaps n things correct?

@PixiePrincessBrat Ай бұрын

Just 1 supportive adult in the life of an LGBTQIA youth, reduces the their self harm ideation significantly.

@PixiePrincessBrat Ай бұрын

Nephi, I'm so terribly sorry about your mom. I lost my mom to cancer as well, and it was horrible to watch.

@valkyrie1066 2 күн бұрын

*Wave* Over here! If your parents rejected you; WE will love you! (Momhugs California)

@denize7139 Ай бұрын

Let’s not skip over the fact that the public is subsidizing all this, by plan, through food stamps. Danial deliberately kept wages low, so that his flock can benefit from food stamps. Yet another feather in Daniel’s deplorable cap.😢

@brendabrunton9798 Ай бұрын

Nephi...you have such integrity and kindness. That can be a rare thing in this world. Your children are so blessed to have you as a father.

@electra424 Ай бұрын

You can see the good in this man's heart as he tells his story. Thank you so much Nephi for sharing your amazing story with us. I'm so glad you are free.

@MichaelYoder1961 Ай бұрын

"This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man." William Shakespeare, Hamlet

@seppyq3672 Ай бұрын

I love they both didn't know where that came from. 😂 made me laugh, and i hate shakespeare. Lol

@maskichef Ай бұрын

This channel will go down in history as instrumental in breaking the bible belt.

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

👀

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

👀

@sarahbrome5564 Ай бұрын

What a nightmare for him! So glad he was able to find his way out.

@pattischaub-whiteley3418 Ай бұрын

I love your videos and msg. I'm not from that a cult per say. I am a 64-year-old lesbian. Being a lesbian at my age is horrible. It's very hard being the rainbow sheep of the family. I'm extremely sorry that you had to go through what you did growing up in a cult. But being a gay man in a "religious cult" would be horrible. Thank God you survived

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

@richardduarte9118 Ай бұрын

Yup. Get him on again. He has alluded to having some in depth knowledge of the inner workings of his particular former cult. There's definitely more insight to be had here.

@elaboratelizard Ай бұрын

For the merch maybe something that says “critical thinking saves lives” ? I truly love your podcast. As someone who was raised Catholic, but not at all strict, I enjoy the insight into how those in high control groups work from all of these different perspectives. It’s incredibly insightful and educational and full of respect, kindness, and love. ❤❤❤

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

Thank you! I’m glad it’s been helpful! And it DOES save lives!

@spookymicah3131 Ай бұрын

I’m glad he talked about his dad only coming over on his mother’s cycle! It makes sense that he has so many kids

@debraallender7444 Ай бұрын

Nephi has an amazing story. I admire him for sticking with his children. That's so vitally important. His mother's death is tragic. Daniel should be charged. Thanks for bringing this episode to us!

@jenniferproctor696 Ай бұрын

So awestruck by the fact that he truly took ownership of actions that he made. None of them were truly his fault but he still took ownership. You didnt deserve any of that pain. Im so sorry you went through that. So glad you were strong enough to leave though!!!

@lisamcandrews5739 Ай бұрын

Can we mention the food stamp thing. All these people getting food stamps. I live in New England. My mother started working at 14 years old. She worked until she was 72. She’s 85 now and she still works 20 hours a week. There’s a lot of things she can’t affordand kids try to help her out. We talked her into applying for food stamps a few years ago. They said she was allowed $100 a month which piss me off.

@Tara.Daktyl Ай бұрын

The FLDS lives to scam the government. Welfare fraud is common in fundamentalist groups. Tge FLDS calls it"bleeding the beast" 😂

@rosehannah4845 Ай бұрын

Daniel needs to go to Jail.

@lw6084 Ай бұрын

All of the leaders do.

@honeybadgergrrl77 Ай бұрын

Seriously. What he did to the poor mom is just beyond. It was so upsetting, I had to stop listening and take a break. He arranged and organized the torture and murder of his wife. It's so fucking fucked.

@catewithac8978 Ай бұрын

That is NOT how marriage and courtship worked in the Regency era. Dance cards were a way to keep track of partners for each dance at a given event and nothing more, and dancing was a social activity that didn't necessarily imply marriage. Dancing exclusively with one man all evening could be seen as scandalous by some very uptight people, but a lot of society considered it rude more than anything- like I said, it was a social event for fun and you were supposed to spread yourself around as a guest. Even married couples weren't supposed to only dance with each other. Also the average age at first marriage was 20 for women, in the US and UK, and love matches were the ideal if not always the reality. The only similarity here is that you were expected to dance all the dances you physically could, and that men generally had to ask women. I'm so sick of people saying that cult courtship like this or FLDS clothing, etc. is "so 1800s," because it's not only bad history, it implies that there's a precedent for how they act in mainstream society. Which, I feel, can unintentionally contribute to legitimizing them. They are NOT turning back the clock- they're doing something either new and abhorrent, or old and considered abhorrent even when it WAS new. (There's actually an 1890s Sherlock Holmes story- albeit almost a century after the Bridgerton era -with a subplot about a young woman being rescued from polygamous arranged marriage to a much older Mormon man. They considered it disgusting back then, too.)

@nickywal Ай бұрын

It amused me so much rereading Sherlock Holmes to realise he remembered Brigham Young's existence twice and was just hell no

@sunangel-rivka Ай бұрын

A Study in Scarlet certainly didn't paint the LDS church very favorably

@francisnopantses1108 Ай бұрын

There were lurid exposes by ex Mormons in the 19th century during the Brigham Young period and he was something of a national pariah. Utah had to give up polygamy to become a state.

@nickywal Ай бұрын

@@francisnopantses1108 I wonder how it got to England though for Conan Doyle to hear about it. But of course that was when they were trafficking young vulnerable women into the US

@firebird189 Ай бұрын

Nephi, this mom/grandma just wants to give your a huge hug and tell you that God loves you as your are. You are a dear, dear man. I hope your life is full of love, peace, and happiness. Oh and "to thine own self be true" is from Shakespeare's Hamlet. ;)

@pattischaub-whiteley3418 Ай бұрын

Shelise you are correct. I went to visit a Mormon LDS church for some reason I was asked if I was gay. When I replied Yes I was asked to leave

@katwitanruna Ай бұрын

Enemas in addition to starvation?? That’s insane.

@therealdeal3672 Ай бұрын

As well as the morally horrendous lifestyle of polygamy being unacceptable, the stealing from the US government which is all of our taxpayer money is absolutely despicable and of such an incredibly high degree of moral turpitude people need to go to jail. There need to be consequences for this illegal immoral behavior and lifestyle of thievery and abuse.

@DorisTheChicken3013 Ай бұрын

They call their process of defrauding the government “Bleeding the Beast”. Yep, they have an actual term for it. I learned of it years ago when I became curious about the FLDS.

@greg-op2jh Ай бұрын

These are the same people to call people welfare queens as well. Yet literally are just projecting

@nickywal Ай бұрын

The previous leader Daniel's dad was sued for that, he paid a large fine rather than go to jail for some kind of welfare fraud

@batyaswiftyasgur9500 Ай бұрын

Kudos to you, Nephi, for your clarity, integrity, and courage. (And kudos to Shelise as always for sensitive and informative interviewing.) When Nephi said he blames himself for being "part of the problem," in terms of still being in the Order when he had and raised his kids during the early years, I was reminded of a wonderful quote by Maya Angelou: "Do the best you can until you know better. Then when you know better, do better." I look back on many mistakes I've made in my life and I've slightly revised that quote (with all due respect to Maya Angelou): "I did the best that I could when I didn't know better. Now that I know better, I do better." It has brought me some peace. Nephi, I encourage you not to blame himself and to realize that you were a product of your own upbringing and you've had the courage to leave. Be gentle with yourself and embrace your journey. Blessings to you, and peace.

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

Great advice

@monicamacneille3372 Ай бұрын

Really great advice. I am trying to do the same.

@lauraeyal6261 Ай бұрын

You need a new shirt Shelise -everything but the chicken 🐔 Love it!

@nickywal Ай бұрын

It's almost impressive that every time one of Daniel's kids gives an interview, except maybe Alison, it gets worse. He should be charged with murder of that poor woman. I'm glad Nephi is out and living his best life Obviously Alison still went through a lot, I'm not putting her experience down

@whelanmmw Ай бұрын

"Everything but the chicken .." 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@user-ji8qg9df5m Ай бұрын

He has that many kids and still looks handsome AF. I look haggard taking care of one kid!

@MichaelYoder1961 Ай бұрын

I feel for Nephi. It's difficult enough being gay and knowing that in the "real" world, but to have to marry and produce children, because that's what the cult demands, is a betrayal of him and his inner betrayal must have been a painful process. I hope for him only the best. Thanks, Nephi and Shelise. On a lighter note, Nephi should make a t-shirt that's "Everything But The Chicken" - that made me laugh.

@Valiant.Unicorn Ай бұрын

Yey Nephi❤! He possesses a wealth of knowledge about the order and is truly an exceptional individual. Definitely someone who can expose the true nature of the order. That part about (losing your faith) that's so insane though 😅 for real!

@Msyinett Ай бұрын

When I hear them being called the order instead of the Kingston clan, I just imagine an evil organization (which they are) from a movie like a Halloween movie.

@darlenefraser3022 Ай бұрын

That seems to about describe it, though!

@AlisonKenzoland Ай бұрын

Omg so right. They are also the Davis County CoOp which feels like a cover story hippie farm stand

@Lutefisk445 Ай бұрын

i feel like a family called kingston and then calling it a clan is also a bit foreboding tbh, but maybe that's just the context we already have

@sunnylilme Ай бұрын

I just adore nephi❤❤❤ hes a great guy. I was raised in a cult too. Overcoming shame is a real thing

@icobenayga9806 Ай бұрын

It is so wonderful that Nephi does so much to be there for his kids. I wish him all the best. I would love to know more about, how it is going with seeing his kids. 🍀🍀🍀

@kimberleycooper7817 Ай бұрын

AMAZING MAN, a REAL man, adorable, smart, witty, well spoken! ( beautiful blues)

@kimberleycooper7817 Ай бұрын

Also, would love to see a picture of you with your Mom

@shirleywiebe2530 Ай бұрын

Nephi is such an amazing human being. He gives much grace to so many who harmed him and his family. Sad for his Mom. I love his thoughts about bringing children into such a perilous life. Thank you Nephi for sharing your experiences and I commend you for your bravery.

@whelanmmw Ай бұрын

Oh my. My heart hurts. What a completely impossible situation he is in with his daughter. Thank goodness she has such a responsible, self-reflective, compassionate father on her side. I'm sure he will find a way to guide her through it in the way she needs. 🤞❤️

@tbella5186 Ай бұрын

Nephi, your beautiful soul shines through. Keep true to your own self! Shelise, and Johnathan you are helping so many voices!!!

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

@SallyImpossible Ай бұрын

Great interview. The order sounds like an MLM taken to the extreme. Nephy I hope your kids come to awareness and leave the Order.

@kayecastleman6353 Ай бұрын

What a beautiful man Nephi is... so much wisdom and integrity!

@Robindigsit Ай бұрын

What a kind, thoughtful young man! I hope you find your true happiness in life.

@monicamacneille3372 Ай бұрын

OMG Yes please more Nephi!!!! There is SO MUCH MORE I want to hear from him. A few off the top of my head: More stories from his early childhood, more stories from teenagehood, more stories about his marriage, more stories about his relationship with men in the cult, more about whether gay boys within the cult knew about eachother, more about fatherhood and how his approach has evolved... a joint episode with Val would be great!

@nerysghemor5781 Ай бұрын

Nephi, I'm sorry you felt like you were lesser and "undeserving." Maybe you can flip that on its head now, in that you lucked out that you had a trait that gave you an extra wake-up call that the Order was not a good place to be, since it's probably tougher (though not impossible) for a man to realize something is wrong with that environment. You are definitely better off out of the Order so it got you to the right place! :-)

@susanrobertson984 Ай бұрын

The more of these I listen to the more I realize how much eugenics are at play.

@AlisonKenzoland Ай бұрын

Aww Nephi reminds me of both Val and Eskel! Omg love Joe, glad he's doing so well 💜

@vagirl19 Ай бұрын

Me too! I heard the name and my first thought was "he's Joe's brother!!"

@candiceyoung8244 Ай бұрын

Oh Nephi,my mothers heart went out to you. Ur very close to my oldest sons age ,hes 37 I'm a stage 4 larynx cancer survivor, so your story about losing your mother,in that way,was more than heartbreaking, and I'm so very sorry. The fact that you have been able to hold onto your faith,and continue to be an amazing daddy,. That is beautiful. I hope you can do more videos as I can assure you there would be a ton of support love and interest in your journey. Sending you both lots of love and thank you ❤❤

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

Sending you love too!

@candiceyoung8244 Ай бұрын

@@CultstoConsciousness ❤

@kcstill3108 Ай бұрын

I just want to wrap Nephi in a hug to give him the love and acceptance and care that he didn’t get before.

@tonihoban8350 Ай бұрын

Nephi, thank you for sharing so openly and honestly. You’re an amazing man.

@majesticsunshine11 Ай бұрын

I enjoyed Nephi so much. So calm and such a gentle spirit. I admire that even though being threatened to no contact with his children, he was willing to do what it takes. And he won! You're a great man! Look forward to future interviews!

@nizhoni26 Ай бұрын

Good lord, the financial arrangement sounds as bad or worse as sharecropping.

@karinland8533 Ай бұрын

Keep them dependent and buissy

@lisa-gq7ym Ай бұрын

Honestly I would love to be on your channel to talk about the cult of the patriarchy and growing up a millennial with elder parents. NOW THAT’S a cult itself. The indoctrination, the inability to validate abuse, I was raised in the Methodist church before it accepted LGBTQ and now am ❤ Unitarian Universalist, we all find our way in some capacity - love your channel xoxo

@kristiemiller4752 Ай бұрын

Growing up as an independent fundamental Baptist, I just want to say that I may not know exactly what Nephi has gone through but I want to say that I have the most respect for the amount of care and dedication. He has to his children. Fear and internal struggle never 100% goes away. I still have a personal relationship with Jesus and God, but I do not go to church. Especially with as much neglect and abuse that I witnessed, and of course we’re not comparing but it honestly does not compared to some of the people you have. On to share their stories. But the one thing it does for me is it shows a similar struggle of being able to find yourself. thank you for doing what you do. It’s absolutely needed because there’s so many of us that may not come from the same place but similar struggles.

@edsqueenlarene6917 Ай бұрын

At 1:06 - thank you for saying that so eloquently, Shelise!! I love that Nephi is out and awake to the horrors he was raised it. But it is not his fault for being born and raised in the incestuous cult. Thank you for your story, Nephi! Stay strong on this side, you are so brave. Thank you for standing up and sharing!!! ❤❤❤

@batyaswiftyasgur9500 Ай бұрын

"To thine own self be true" comes from Shakespeare--Hamlet, I believe. Great quote, very inspiring. So glad Nephi was able to continue having a relationship with his kids. And what a model he is to them for that wonderful quote, since he was indeed true to himself by leaving.

@mariacasella6474 Ай бұрын

So,has Daniel been charged with the murder of Nephi’s mother ?!if not he should be.

@The3Storms Ай бұрын

16:07 a moment of levity amidst the suffering and abuse-your manner when you said FIFTEEN?! together with your recently becoming a first-time mom made me laugh *so* hard. I bet you’ve been recalculating a lot of things since that day, and wish you more and deeper sleep soon.

@alisonhawke1813 Ай бұрын

As much as I respect and honour Nephi for his bravery and strength, I still hope his ex finds her way to healing as well. Having 7 kids with another human being us no easy feat for either partner ❤

@user-jm1rt5yc5w Ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story Nephi. It’s so brave to leave what you know and try to begin again.

@Mamooshka220 Ай бұрын

"To thine own self be true" is a line from Hamlet 🙂 This is so inspirational. Thank you.

@Momof13grannyto28 Ай бұрын

It's nice to see her cousins coming out of the cult he was raised in. Strong people are making things right, its nice to meet another brother to see Jessica, Val, Amanda 2.0 along with Joe to see his side of the story.

@sweingold5686 Ай бұрын

Such a kind person. I appreciated him telling his story and being vulnerable. Glad he is seeing his kids!

@sasamafrass 29 күн бұрын

It absolutely blows my mind how much power and authority is given to the "head of household" men with zero responsibility or accountability.

@8lovetolaugh Ай бұрын

Thank You for sharing Your story!! Happy Pride!! 🌈

@fabigrossi2976 Ай бұрын

I see so much pain and sadness in Nephi. Let me give you the biggest comfort hug I can possibly give. Hope your rips survive that 😉

@carabeingblue4016 Ай бұрын

Wow! Nephi - you are the ultimate in accountability and self-reflection. That is the highest of integrity. If there is a God, that God thinks you’re so special. So glad you were built differently. What an example for your children and for men of all types. I’m so impressed.

@anangeldisgraced7608 Ай бұрын

Even through everything he is still so positive, so proud of his children and being a dad. I wish the best for him as he goes through life finding who he really is and not what The Order told him he was supposed to be. I can’t imagine being forced to be something I knew I wasn’t in my heart, so I really admire his strength and resilience.

@cel2651 Ай бұрын

Sending love to you Nephi! Thank you so much for sharing your story. Wishing you all the happiness

@graceyoung3771 Ай бұрын

Nephi is such a pure soul with a great big heart.

@tonilizama3739 Ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story! So happy you fought for your kids! And yourself! ❤

@420girl4life Ай бұрын

"To thine own self be true" is from Shakespeare's Hamlet. Great interview, what an incredible man.

@rachelcreel1163 Ай бұрын

Only 20 minutes in but Nephi seems like such a sweet soul! His energy is so chill and kind.

@allyncollins359 Ай бұрын

"To thine own self be true." is a quote from Shakespeare's play Hamblet.

@kaylacothran150 Ай бұрын

He’s such a beautiful person ❤ So happy that he’s able to experience authenticity with himself and the joy that comes with that.

@thegreatcatcuss Ай бұрын

“I’ve been watching a lot of bridgerton lately” me too Shelise, me too.

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

😉💅🏻

@elisa-beary Ай бұрын

Nuts they’d wanna cut him off as a dad when he’s the most committed dad both financially & emotionally. Hopefully having some time with him in this world will make some of them choose to leave eventually & they’ll have him waiting on the outside & someone to be there to help them learn this world. What an amazing guy, thanks for sharing your story. Your bravery is SO admirable!!!💜

@justanormalcat5565 Ай бұрын

Love this interview. What a brave soul! Reminds me of Shakespeare: "This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man." (Hamlet)

@jaynekendall3049 Ай бұрын

Nephi I love.that name, I just had to delete the comment I was writing because I was going to say how much you look like Joe, but then shelise said you were his brother so had to change what I was saying 🤦‍♀️ lol

@autumn5852 Ай бұрын

They definitely look alike don’t they :)

@aceshigh5157 Ай бұрын

what a difficult decision he had to make. i commend him for making it because it gives his children an opportunity to leave if and when they choose. it's a new hope for them.

@autumn5852 Ай бұрын

Another great interview Shelise and Nephi has done so well to go through what he did to come out on top ❤ there are so many layers to what happens to you when you leave one of these cults. Those that get out are such an inspiration and an example to us all🙏💞💓

@CultstoConsciousness Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@jbruce6096 Ай бұрын

"To thine own self, be true" is Shakespeare. Hamlet, specifically.

@tennillepatterson5500 Ай бұрын

That Mormon show was a lot.

@karenherndon8941 Ай бұрын

Thank you Shalise and Nephi. This is such a Great interview 👏 ❤❤❤. He found his self ,YES❣️❣️❣️

@sarahissersohn5495 Ай бұрын

I just want to communicate how impressed I am w/ your clear imperative of personal ethics, especially evident when you talk about your kids. Congrats on your freedom, Nephi! Thank you for sharing your story w/ us. P.S., as a single mom, I 100% identify w/ your prioritization of your kids’ well-being, bc you know you gotta do both parents’ worth of looking out for their best interests, as you see them 💜⚡️ Come back soon- we would love to hear more about any aspect of your experience you’d like to share.

@adalon378 Ай бұрын

New merch! "Eating too much chicken makes you gay" - Daniel, The Order, date/year

@effiepapaioannou9532 24 күн бұрын

so beautiful to see a man so dedicated to staying in his children's life and to be there for them. I'm sending you positive vibes for the next chapter in your life

@vidhead85 Ай бұрын

They love keeping you busy and thinking for you. When you actually think for yourself, it can be challenging because you don't know who you are outside of them. Much luck and success Nephi

@mariemaier5630 Ай бұрын

If it is possible, it would be so interesting to hear from an ex Order member who was not part of the Kingston family. How did they experience always being a second class member, and how did a mother feel about giving her daughters to Kingston, but her sons have to remain unmarried?