Growing a Planned Economy: The Logic of Early Soviet Development

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The Marxist Project

The Marxist Project

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This quick video reviews a basic economic model which motivated Soviet development strategy in the early years of industrialization.
Details on the model can be found here:
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Narration, script, and editing by M.
Animated intro by Jack, co-host of the Auxiliary Statements podcast @AuxStatements on Twitter.
Intro music by Charles Tristan:
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Twitter:
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References:
Allen, R.C. 2003. Farm to factory: A reinterpretation of the Soviet industrial revolution. Princeton University Press.
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00:00 - 01:29 Introduction
01:30 - 02:52 Background
02:53 - 04:59 The Model
05:00 - 05:42 Drawbacks
05:43 - 07:59 Production Possibility Frontier
08:00 - 09:53 Conclusion

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@JohnT.4321
@JohnT.4321 Жыл бұрын
Actually, the five year plans were originally done with pencil and paper. Computers would have made a difference but high RAM computers were not to be sold to the USSR from the US years ago. Today we have the technology for Cyber-Communism but that would entail a complete system change from money to non circulating cyber labor credits.
@user-gx5lx2mz8y
@user-gx5lx2mz8y Жыл бұрын
The USSR made its own computers, and not bad ones, and what it couldn’t / didn’t want to, it stole from the USA with the help of a special industrial espionage system. That is why in the late period of the existence of the USSR, plans were calculated on a computer. Even under Khrushchev, the idea of ​​OGAS was proposed, similar to the Internet, but only for coordinating the economy, for the simplest understanding of the principle of work. But it began to develop actively only in the Brezhnev period in a revised form through a system of industry networks (ASPR), and according to the plan, it was planned to gradually transfer the entire economy to a computer basis, and complete it by the year 2000. So the USSR took the first step into cybercommunism, but stumbled along the way.
@thegrumpypanda1016
@thegrumpypanda1016 Жыл бұрын
​@@user-gx5lx2mz8y you're so educated on Soviet economics and society. Can you share some of your resources for finding this information all I get is western propaganda.
@JohnT.4321
@JohnT.4321 Жыл бұрын
@@user-gx5lx2mz8y Like the US does not have a special industrial espionage system. The US made it so that any so-called developing country remain under developed in order to extract the naturals resources and to exploit cheap native labor. Russia had computers later on which replaced some hand made calculations; however, they did not have the high RAM computers. The country that had them was the US and there was an embargo that prohibited any high tech sales to the USSR. The USSR spent more time on their military to keep up with the US rather than producing consumer goods. Then along came Gorbachev and Yeltsin who successfully destroyed the Soviet system with a lot of help from the West.
@rsavage-r2v
@rsavage-r2v Жыл бұрын
​​@@thegrumpypanda1016 For a start check out the work of Paul Cockshott. He's very prolific on YT and has published a number of books on these subjects. He also has contemporary collaborators, and explicitly cites the Soviet economists he is building on (Kantorovich, for example). To address this particular point -- Cockshott has shown in detail the amount of computing power needed to plan a modern national economy (in particular, the RAM requirements), and argues that the Soviets almost made it there before the collapse but not quite. (Even assuming that this kind of planning would have been politically possible for them in the 1980s, which it absolutely was not). From the sounds of it, Cockshott is one of the economists/engineers the OP has in mind, though I'd love to learn some new names in this field if anyone has any.
@user-gx5lx2mz8y
@user-gx5lx2mz8y Жыл бұрын
@@rsavage-r2v Indeed, by the mid-1970s, in Soviet planning, due to the significant complication of both the economy itself and the increase in the number of goods produced, the complexity of planning had greatly increased. One of the former employees in planning Oleg Mukhovich Yun in his memoirs claimed that the situation was so serious that in order for economists to make a plan for the year according to all the rules and taking into account all the needs, it took 2.5 years of calculations on paper. As a way out of this paradoxical situation, either methods of accelerated drawing up a plan without miscalculating some elements were used, which negatively affected the economy. As a result, in order to eliminate this situation in the 1970s, the active introduction of computers into ministries began and by 1985, more plans were drawn up on computers. That is why various departments, especially the Main Computing Center of Gosplan and the Central Economic and Mathematical Institute, competed very fiercely with each other for the right to receive priority when implementing methods of electronic calculation of the plan, network schedules and other optimization methods, which negatively affected the introduction of electronic technology into the economy and partially slowed down the commissioning of an Automated system of planned calculations. Also, the "market" (in fact, they were only partially so) reforms of the 1960s and the first half of the 1980s had one of their goals to reduce the burden on planning authorities, which partially succeeded, but they gave rise to other problems.
@SOOKIE42069
@SOOKIE42069 Жыл бұрын
don't forget that they also invested in heavy industry early on because Stalin was convinced they needed to be fully industrialized rapidly to take on the nazis.
@antoinebenobre2552
@antoinebenobre2552 Жыл бұрын
And that seems to have been a good investment in the end.
@hilbertschema
@hilbertschema Жыл бұрын
@@antoinebenobre2552 "seems" ???
@antoinebenobre2552
@antoinebenobre2552 Жыл бұрын
@@hilbertschema That was falsely moderate
@hansmohammed5486
@hansmohammed5486 Жыл бұрын
on poland,baltics and finland
@Sisyphus_But_On_Guitar
@Sisyphus_But_On_Guitar Жыл бұрын
Stalin supported rapid industrialization in 1928. The Nazi’s didn’t take Germany until 1933 with Stalin’s Third Period policy being a factor in this unfortunate fact.
@Hectico2257
@Hectico2257 Жыл бұрын
THIS, please do more of this! I’ve only discovered your channel 20 minutes ago but I can tell I’m gonna like it. Automatic subscribe!
@icantaimpg3d776
@icantaimpg3d776 Жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see you making a video about collective farms, here in Vietnam before socialist oriented market economy reforms collective farms are well known for inefficiency. Form my research it’s due to a horrible wage system, in which it’s based on how long a farmer stays on a collective farm than actual quantity of rice produced, back then we didn’t manage to produce much fertilizer as well, war with Kampuchea and China which caused a huge lack of state investment into the agriculture sector, over-bureaucratic and extreme corruption
@themarxistproject
@themarxistproject Жыл бұрын
There's a video on the channel precisely about collective farms in China. It's mostly based on research done by two scholars who find that collective agriculture ended up being successful, only to be replaced by unnecessary market reforms.
@icantaimpg3d776
@icantaimpg3d776 Жыл бұрын
@@themarxistproject thanks Tovarish !
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob Жыл бұрын
@@themarxistproject are there any proposals to collectivize farming that skip over the mistakes made in the past? That is to say, are there any models out there for future collectivization that avoid distribution failures resulting in domestic famines?
@schooldays_niceboat
@schooldays_niceboat Жыл бұрын
@@MrTaxiRob Domestic famines were mainly caused due to bad weather, and Communist states being denied trade with the West aside from grain. Domestic famines occured every 5 to 10 years before collectivization and ONLY ended after collectivization was complete. I would say that land in the West effectively collectivized in the West by the Banks through Debt, so what is needed is for the Wiping of ALL DEBTS and dissolving the Federal Reserve and going through land reform like Lenin and Mao did.
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob Жыл бұрын
@@schooldays_niceboat you're saying there were NO famines during or after the collectivization process?
@mohsn295
@mohsn295 Жыл бұрын
Interesting, loved the technical details 👍
@mustang1912
@mustang1912 Жыл бұрын
Communism is a market economy and Ford ran the soviet car industry
@jisatsushitai
@jisatsushitai Жыл бұрын
I've found your channel when looking for information over the cybernetic Soviet program. This is a really hidden topic and people usually don't talk about it. You did, though, and that's why I subscribed and came watch your other videos. Thank you for everything. Important channel in our fight for socialism.
@numbersix8919
@numbersix8919 Жыл бұрын
My heart soars like a hawk at these videos. This one was excellent. Based, as the young people say. PS I am not getting notifications!
@johnl7947
@johnl7947 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome video
@Kolokommouna
@Kolokommouna Жыл бұрын
There is, of course, an important omission on the calculations for growth in the Fel'dman model, the innovative incentives of consumer goods investment. The idea is that the largest share of labour invested into consumer goods, the largest incentive to replace the workers who consume them with machinery.
@user-gx5lx2mz8y
@user-gx5lx2mz8y Жыл бұрын
With communist greetings from Russia! Great job, pretty good for western bloggers. You have here more often damned bourgeois tell horrors))). Allen's book is a very basic thing for a good dive into the topic. But it does not close all questions, and the post-Stalin period does not consider much, here special work is needed. Оur historians sometimes criticize Allen at certain points. Although it seems to me that the debate about our revolution and the USSR as a whole in Russia will never end, it is too important and controversial topic. Good luck in your future work, comrades!
@shutdownexecute3936
@shutdownexecute3936 Жыл бұрын
Just clicked on the notification. Keep up the good work!
@chompythebeast
@chompythebeast Жыл бұрын
Love the emphasis on concrete, material figures. Seems like it bores or confounds the typical low-grade chuds as well, for the comment section here is quite academic. Definite sub, looking forward to going through your work here!
@oogatooga8280
@oogatooga8280 Жыл бұрын
Do you have any good papers on Primitive Accumulation in the USSR?
@NathanWHill
@NathanWHill Жыл бұрын
Is this model in value terms or a two commodity model in physical terms (like a real simple Sraffian model)?
@themarxistproject
@themarxistproject Жыл бұрын
Good question. My assumption is that we are talking about physical stocks.
@niteshade2271
@niteshade2271 Жыл бұрын
gotta comment to show my support!!
@nateisawesome766
@nateisawesome766 Жыл бұрын
Private appropriation is coming into ever greater conflict with the increasing socialization of production. Commodity production necessitates that money must be a commodity, so profits must be realized in terms of the use value of the money commodity (gold). Since 1825, production of non-money commodities has a tendency to outpace the production of the money commodity. This is overproduction and ultimately leads to a crisis. Overproduction can be extended through the use of credit money, but this only delays the inevitable and makes the inevitable downturn worse. It is the tendency of credit money creation during overproduction that helps conceal the underlying overproduction. However, the crisis inevitably breaks out and the underlying overproduction reveals itself in the glut of unsold commodities. As long as capitalist production is to continue, the money commodity will keep coming into conflict with the productive forces, causing overproduction and subsequent recessions and deep panics. Detaching the dollar from the money commodity does not resolve this contradiction but only intensifies it, leading to sharper panics like the one in '08 and the incoming one. You cannot escape this contradiction without ending capitalist production, with its commodity character, and replacing it with a planned economy and political power in the hands of the international proletariat. The commodity character will still be a barrier to capitalist production no matter how many times wages are cut/raised, (de)regulations are made, medicaid is stamped/expanded, or how many countries the US empire decides to invade.
@YepX
@YepX Жыл бұрын
Can you paste/share those economic equations?
@themarxistproject
@themarxistproject Жыл бұрын
Hmm yes I will figure out a way to share them tomorrow.
@themarxistproject
@themarxistproject Жыл бұрын
I've uploaded my notes on it here: themarxistproject.medium.com/the-feldman-model-equations-928b36aa4b4b It contains the basics that are needed for the equations in the video. For a better overview I suggest reading Allen himself.
@user-py4oy3uk2c
@user-py4oy3uk2c 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you so much for an introduction to this theorist.
@crumb167
@crumb167 Жыл бұрын
What paramters for depreciation, productivity and size of producer capital stock did you use for this result? Allen doesn‘t cite any numbers for his diagram either 4:48
@themarxistproject
@themarxistproject Жыл бұрын
Good question. I had to mess around with the parameters for a while. Allen does mention in a few parts of the book that he uses a productivity of 0.4 and a depreciation of 0.015. He claims these are values that are consistent for the 1928-1941 period, based on Soviet statistical accounts. For initial producer capital stock, I really had to guess because he doesn't say anywhere what he starts with. I ended up starting with 0.25, and *importantly*, I set starting consumer capital stock to 4. I think the point is perhaps to show that there is virtually no heavy industry to begin with. If you're looking to get roughly the same chart as Allen, this should work. Otherwise any initial capital stock values that are sufficiently different in size should give you the same results, albeit on a different scale.
@crumb167
@crumb167 Жыл бұрын
@@themarxistproject Thanks a lot, was struggling to find out by myself. I think a 1 to 8 ratio of heavy to light industry isn‘t unreasonable since only about 10-15% of investment was going into capital accumulation in the 20s. And that capital poverty is precisely why Feldman argued for this development strategy. Great video btw
@themarxistproject
@themarxistproject Жыл бұрын
@Crumb Yeah that was my thinking as well, regarding the ratio. Thank you! Glad to see some thorough engagement with the material!
@animeis4eva
@animeis4eva Жыл бұрын
Yummmy Marxy boi content
@ging35zid
@ging35zid Жыл бұрын
This is great and thanks so much for this video easy subscribe make more please great job!
@abdelhalim5967
@abdelhalim5967 Жыл бұрын
Comrad I wish if you did a video explains stakeholder theory and the idea of Marcues that capitalism and socialism could go in dialectic process thank you
@NathanWHill
@NathanWHill Жыл бұрын
Another question, I just read Rosa Luxemburg's Accumulation of Capital, where she famously argues that the volume two reproduction on an expanded scale leads to contradiction in a closed economy. I found her argument compelling but assume that there are good counter arguments I'm not aware of, it seems Feldman certainly didn't agree with her.
@themarxistproject
@themarxistproject Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, this is something Marx spends time on in Volume Two as well. Basically -- if I'm remembering correctly -- there will be an imbalance from unequal exchange between the departments resulting in periodic crises where supply and demand can't equalize. As to how this pertains to the Feldman model, I'm not very sure. I'd have to give it some thought and further reading. I believe that in Luxemburg's case, the imbalance is resolved through foreign markets (which is the basis of her theory of imperialism). Perhaps the imbalance in the Soviet case could be resolved via the state? e.g. planned allocation of excess goods in a productive manner.
@NathanWHill
@NathanWHill Жыл бұрын
@@themarxistproject Yeah, especially if the model is in physical output terms, Lumsemberg's problem doesn't need to arise because surplus value doesn't have to be 'realized' before it is 'capitalized'. In other words, social labor can just be reallocated from means of consumption to means of production, with -- in the short term -- less output of the first and more of the second. Love these videos, keep 'em up.
@wolverineclaws108
@wolverineclaws108 Жыл бұрын
Tugan Baranovsky debunked Luxemburg's argument not long after initial publication. His works are unfortunately unavailable in English but Arghiri Emmanuel reproduces the core of the Tugan Baranovsky argument in Profit & Crises, while also adding his own insights. I strongly recommend this book as its a masterpiece in Marxist political economy.
@NathanWHill
@NathanWHill Жыл бұрын
@@wolverineclaws108 Thank you! This is very helpful. (Henryk Grossmann referred to Tugan Baranovsky in his book, which I also recently read.)
@theuncomfortabletruth3928
@theuncomfortabletruth3928 7 ай бұрын
This was a great video. I've always been interested in the soviet growth model. But since I'm no economist, could you please explain me the soviet growth model in a very very didactic-teaching-to-a-kid-way? Please?
@goodmemories215
@goodmemories215 Жыл бұрын
Alas you didn't mention Preo Brazhensky in the notable Soviet economists.
@Harvester_Stallone
@Harvester_Stallone Жыл бұрын
Personally I favor the Canute model. It's much more reflective of the realities of a centrally planned economy.
@andrewwyffels3525
@andrewwyffels3525 8 ай бұрын
What is this "Canute model"?
@cobusvanstaden3706
@cobusvanstaden3706 Жыл бұрын
I would love to know what went wrong with the USSR
@rsavage-r2v
@rsavage-r2v Жыл бұрын
Search for "socialism betrayed audiobook".
@cobusvanstaden3706
@cobusvanstaden3706 Жыл бұрын
@@rsavage-r2v thank you Com
@paulussturm6572
@paulussturm6572 Жыл бұрын
Hakim had an excellent video on it, but it got purged by YT.
@rsavage-r2v
@rsavage-r2v Жыл бұрын
@@paulussturm6572 He has a more recent one from a few months ago, though I forget how they compare. It refers to Socialism Betrayed but also several other books I haven't read yet. Highly recommended (as with all of his work). Paul Cockshott also has a video along the lines of "Economic Factors in the Soviet Collapse" which parallels, IIRC, a piece in the collection "Arguments for Socialism" which he contributed to.
@ElectronFieldPulse
@ElectronFieldPulse 19 күн бұрын
Socialism. Socialism has never worked anywhere, and people are still “trying to figure out what went wrong”? This is how you know you are in a cult like movement. You reject the obvious truths which 99 percent of society can see. But since you believe in communism, you all just close your eyes and ears and keep saying “na na you can’t change my mind”
@someesingh2827
@someesingh2827 Жыл бұрын
Rober Allen is wrong on his take on decline of Soviet economy.
@Kolokommouna
@Kolokommouna Жыл бұрын
When somebody compares the growth rates of tsarist Russia and the USSR, they always forget about Poland! Economies are not exponential based on time alone, but on the relation between capital stock and investment. (f.e. a differential equation representing this would be y'=ay+b, notice the absence of t) A reduction of capital stock, thus, would upset the match between an exponential function and economic growth. Having said all that, remember Poland!? Ya know, the most industrialized part of the Russian Empire, by far? I wonder why the USSR managed to keep up with the previous exponential growth...
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob Жыл бұрын
why build what you can steal?- Stalin, probably
@harshithsubramaniam5924
@harshithsubramaniam5924 Жыл бұрын
A significant reduction in capital stock did occur during/after the revolution and the subsequent civil war. The polish region of the Russian Empire was lost during world war 1, and much of the industrialization that happened, happened roughly from the modern Western borders of Russia, to the Ukraine in the south-west, to the caucuses in the south and ended before the Ural ranges. Secondly, the growth does very much depend on time, a constant 10% increment in capital stock over a period of 10 years would yeild almost a 130% increase in the stock of capital. That is a massive increase.
@Kolokommouna
@Kolokommouna Жыл бұрын
@@harshithsubramaniam5924 there is a tendency in economic history of recovering economies growing rapidly up to their previous size (due to damaged capital stock requiring less labour to restore than to build it from scratch). The point is that polish industry got removed entirely from the Union. Growth is the result of investment stemming from capital stock. The natural passage of time doesn't affect its ability to fuel investment. To illustrate this, suppose a differential equation with y=y(t) being capital stock and y' being investment. Then y'=f(y), not y'=f(y,t). Investment does happen through time, but not by it. Thus it relies solely on capital stock.
@MidwestBen101
@MidwestBen101 Жыл бұрын
😮
@thomrhode1644
@thomrhode1644 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@xdiamond66programmer14
@xdiamond66programmer14 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@maxr.k.pravus9518
@maxr.k.pravus9518 8 ай бұрын
so it was fundamentally an economy based on the accumulation of capital
@EgaliterianCyberActivist
@EgaliterianCyberActivist Жыл бұрын
We marxis from Indonesian 🙏
@caramelldansen2204
@caramelldansen2204 Жыл бұрын
cool
@megathai
@megathai Жыл бұрын
Now do CHINA!!!
@user-RedStar
@user-RedStar Жыл бұрын
Soviet economy was not bad. Second biggest world economy simply cannot be bad.
@mikeharris4979
@mikeharris4979 6 ай бұрын
It was the largest country in the world with a wealth of every important resource. In addition, it used its disadvantage, a large but unproductive feudal economy, to its advantage by transitioning it to a modern, far more productive industrial economy (at the point of a gun). They also had the advantage of knowing (by virtue of the west's experience for decades) where to place resources and total authority to place those resources, for maximum productivity. My point is this: It should have been the largest economy in the world by a large margin. It wasn't and that means (in my non-economist estimation) that the Soviet system was severely flawed, which is to say, Bad.
@user-RedStar
@user-RedStar 6 ай бұрын
@@mikeharris4979 what gun? USSR was the most friendly country on earth
@mikeharris4979
@mikeharris4979 6 ай бұрын
@@user-RedStar I assume /s
@user-RedStar
@user-RedStar 6 ай бұрын
@@mikeharris4979 "I am not economist but I wanna tell ya bout economy". Better shut up
@ElectronFieldPulse
@ElectronFieldPulse 19 күн бұрын
@@user-RedStar- You seem pretty simple minded and ideologically captured. I am curious, what is your job in real life? Do you have one? Are you even old enough to be holding down a job?
@AmericanCaesarian
@AmericanCaesarian 7 күн бұрын
The critics look at the post Stalin era, which is where the Soviets failed
@lavoisier_mefistofelico
@lavoisier_mefistofelico Жыл бұрын
♥️☭
@hidesbehindpseudonym1920
@hidesbehindpseudonym1920 Жыл бұрын
I've heard from what if alt hist that the Russian empire was modernizing and industrializing pretty rapidly before world war 1. It may not have been totally caught up with the west but it sounds like it would have industrialized under the previous regime as well.
@omeganichtdieuhrsondernder6906
@omeganichtdieuhrsondernder6906 2 ай бұрын
You seriously watch Whatifalthist, like you think that what he is telling is even remotely Intelligent or true?
@rockstarskolas
@rockstarskolas Жыл бұрын
Commenting for Al gore’s rhythm
@wadiefaridhaddad7429
@wadiefaridhaddad7429 Жыл бұрын
it is sad that some agricultural techniques in soil (arable land) were off on a mistaken theory and practice. this was followed by maos aGRICULTURAL leap forward. droughts also coincided
@shawnradke
@shawnradke 8 ай бұрын
Laughs in ECP
@chrisgaming9567
@chrisgaming9567 5 ай бұрын
Pretty sure that was debunked years ago
@omerkaya545
@omerkaya545 2 ай бұрын
0:11 "Self evident" One reason why we think that soviet economics were inefficient is that two soviet economists "nikolai shmelev" and "vladimir popov" said so and explained it in their book "The turning point". I don't expect much from a ideology that claims to be sciencetific yet vehemently refuses to apply the sciencetific method in much of anything.
@gustavchambert7072
@gustavchambert7072 9 ай бұрын
So we are just going to look at and fawn over an abstract economic model, rather than look at the actual implementation of the Soviet economy? And we are just completely going to forget all about the massive abuses, injustices and human costs it involved? And let's also get one thing clear: Karl Marx would have gone prompt supercritical, in a blast that would have made the Tsar Bomba seem like a harmless firecracker, if someone had explained the Soviet economic and/or political system to him.
@wadiefaridhaddad7429
@wadiefaridhaddad7429 Жыл бұрын
coincided with failure of arable land treatment. exhausting and failure of crops. one must remember
@tyroneemail
@tyroneemail 11 ай бұрын
The soviet economy was bad because it squandered its most valuable resource by strip mining it. Its most valuable resource was people, it strip mined its people and squeezed them for all the blood they had. If you want an idea about how it was living in the soviet union at its best ask someone who lived in both a western society, and the soviet union and if they would ever go back. As far as the educated people who worship the soviet union go, I wonder what they would think their future would be like if they succeeded in turning their country into a a soviet like state. I can answer that, these people would most likely be killed as they represent the proletariat
@jankostrhun8725
@jankostrhun8725 Жыл бұрын
What this overlooks is that the industrialization was not universal and Russia was more then happy to leave vast swaths of the USSR as a backwards resource extraction zone - which helped a lot. It's easy to modernize when you can just shoot or Gulag anyone who objects to it. And I think it's this forceful nature that did more damage then any other factor. Most companies and businesses make plans for years ahead but the Party doctrine made this plan often being inviolate word of God and when the economy or other experts in the field (which often included anyone who actually DID the job and wasn't just planning ahead from "green table") crossed the word of God - 9 times out of 10, word of God prevailed or the whole situation turned into a compromise that solved absolutely nothing. Probably best example of this ideology over facts is Lysenko whose deranged theories led to starvations that killed millions. What I'm saying is that Soviet model was bad because it was bad. Not because now often disproved or no longer relevant theories but because underlying ideology will run it into a ground. I mean, when guy who runs state agronomy doesn't believe in genes and thinks that plants of the same "class" won't compete for resources out of proletariat solidarity and he can get his positions BECAUSE of this socialist drivel, anything else is just a footnote.
@paulussturm6572
@paulussturm6572 Жыл бұрын
Lysenko absolutely was a loon, but why not talk about the many other brilliant Soviet geneticists that contributed to agricultural yield growth in the USSR post-collectivization that’s only ever been matched by China- another thing you conspicuously forget to mention? Cmon dude, we’re communists here, that kind of McCarthyist ayn rand tier “common wisdom” doesn’t work on us. Did you not watch the video? Bc I can provide you with the figures if you’d like.
@jankostrhun8725
@jankostrhun8725 Жыл бұрын
@@paulussturm6572 Yeah there were many talented scientist. A lot of them ended up excommunicated from academia or worse because of Lysenko and others like him. Which is my point - it doesn't really matter how talented and hard working people you have when the system is set up so ppl like him end up leading positions. And yeah he is an extreme case but far from the only case of idiots getting high positions just because of Party doctrine. I don't care what "plan was fulfilled at 110%" statistics you pull out of your ass because I know how it worked in practice. USSR collapsed (and there was much rejoicing here in the soviet satellites) and China only achieved something *kinda* approaching prosperity for the people (as long as you ignore most of the countryside) after tossing majority of communist economic model out of window. And yeah I was born in communist country so I know first hand any type of wisdom or sense rarely woks.
@wadiefaridhaddad7429
@wadiefaridhaddad7429 Жыл бұрын
that dought affected india and the rest of southern asia.
@wadiefaridhaddad7429
@wadiefaridhaddad7429 Жыл бұрын
there are things which cannot work as well in private hands, and others that do
@tails18boy
@tails18boy Жыл бұрын
I don't think nothing works in private hands. Every organization should be run by those that work in it, this prevents one person from exploiting. Democracy makes it difficult for tyrants to exploit
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob Жыл бұрын
given the context of this video I assume you are comparing private ownership to state ownership
@shoobidyboop8634
@shoobidyboop8634 3 ай бұрын
In conclusion, the lesson learned was, slavery doesn't work as well as they had hoped.
@wadiefaridhaddad7429
@wadiefaridhaddad7429 Жыл бұрын
health because it affects the whole, especially in globalisation of today public health
@carboy101
@carboy101 11 ай бұрын
I don’t think we need to know that much about the Soviet Economy given the fact that it doesn’t exist anymore 🤔
@XXLittleSofyXX
@XXLittleSofyXX 10 ай бұрын
Learning history is still important so we can learn from our mistakes
@user-wl2xl5hm7k
@user-wl2xl5hm7k Жыл бұрын
Can all in left YT please start educating everyone about both the: (1) difference between right-authoritarian vs. right-libertarian; & (2) difference between left-authoritarian vs left-libertarian? It’s long overdue. People aren’t cattle or sheep: They will understand if we educate them. Though we need to educate (& learn) about all the nuance.
@vincemarenger7122
@vincemarenger7122 Жыл бұрын
Leftists already made a video about that : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9SAic6hvLOsaZ8.html&ab_channel=halimalrah (Short answer : the political compass fails to explain the real world because it is _idealistic_ . A materialist approach is the way to go)
@user-wl2xl5hm7k
@user-wl2xl5hm7k Жыл бұрын
For example: Two different left YTers, Step Back & Anark, who both recently released videos on this topic, made horribly inaccurate videos on the subject. Just atrocious: They both expressed basically no interest in logic or empirical truth. We are in a deplorable state for left YT…
@Dageka
@Dageka Жыл бұрын
There was already a good video done on that by halim alrah kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9SAic6hvLOsaZ8.html
@user-wl2xl5hm7k
@user-wl2xl5hm7k Жыл бұрын
@@Dageka That’s a very poor video in terms of information. I’ve watched the entire thing and there are stark logical fallacies throughout. You, him and everyone must become intellectually responsible. You have to be more analytic than that if you want the best political model that reflects true reality: The recently discovered 2-axis political model is the most logical, empirically sound & practical political model humanity has atm. You can’t refute that, this is what reason shows. Verify these truths with your own research. Good luck!
@corynasf9749
@corynasf9749 Жыл бұрын
the political compass is unscientific nonsense
@noahshantlinger7292
@noahshantlinger7292 Жыл бұрын
You left out the Holodomor as a source of wealth extraction for Stalin’s developmental ambitions.
@TheQueen-sw4th
@TheQueen-sw4th 3 ай бұрын
What did the Soviet Famine have to do with resource extraction?
@zoltangabordudas4393
@zoltangabordudas4393 Жыл бұрын
Ah! Feldmann! Another jew!!! What a surprise!
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