F-16 Viper Vs F-14 Tomcat PvP BVR Engagement/Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS
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@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
Check out the Merch Store: teespring.com/stores/growling-sidewinder-store Longshot's Channel: kzfaq.info/love/szke4C7G1THhlh0puHWZ1g So yesterdays video was a showcasing of the Vipers Ability to kill the Tomcat, and many of you mentioned that it would probably play out different against a real person taking longer range shots. This is a valid counter point so in this video I will try to demonstrate the same thing again but against a real person, My buddy Longshot, at the end of the day the concepts remain the same, take High PK AMRAAM shots at the Tomcat forcing him to defend while you notch his Aim-54s get close enough to the Tomcat to either kill him with an AMRAAM for Fox-2 him. The concept here is to demonstrate there is nothing to fear from the Aim-54 it can actually be defeated easily if you know how. Thank you for watching and hope everyone is doing well. Much Love see you in the next video.
@Anarchy_420 3 жыл бұрын
Request- Hawker Sea Fury VS MIG-15 Authentic Korean War Fight! Very interesting matchup considering a piston driven Sea Fury actually shot down a MIG-15 jet during the Korean War!
@silverphinex 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidsmith8997 both GS and longshot where being very gentlemanly and STTing each other for each shot. The problem is when shot in STT the AIM54 is basically a big AIM7 as it will not turn on its own seeker head. In essence the 14 was having to fight not just the 16 but its AIM120s as well where as the 16 just had to beat the AWG-9. Tho i will say that the premise of GS's point in this video is correct.
@silverphinex 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidsmith8997 to a point yes both aircraft are not utilizing every trick they have but what GS is trying to show is that the 14 is not invincible in the BVR arena. What it is is a weapons platform with impressive abilitys but requires a skilled team to operate at its peak ability. Now i dont know know how much Longshot understands about the AWG-9 WCS but if he was going to launch a STT 54 he should have done a 30 degree dive after to put GS against the skyline instead of allowing him to drop below the horizon. One function of the AWG-9 WCS is that if the STT target or any Pulse Doppler mode for that matter is pointed up 3 degrees from the horizon the Notch filter is automatically disabled . This would reduce the effectiveness of the notch but it is still possible to mess with the lock the AWG-9 can be finicky with rapid changes in aspect when tracking a target
@silverphinex 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidsmith8997 I also would like to point out those where not AIM54Cs that where being launched at GS Those where AIM54A's which given the engagement is fine its an Iranian F-14A with AIM54A's vs a USAF F-16 with AIM120C's Which historically would be the sorta fight that might happen. And GS is right the 16 is a superior platform to the 14 id dam well better be since it has gotten continual upgrades. The 14 is frozen in time with its 70s era weapon systems and abilitys.
@silverphinex 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidsmith8997 This should help you understand how the AIM54 functions: 1. TWS with range >10NM: LTE (launch to eject) 3s, loft, SARH/DL, missile goes active at 16 seconds TTI (time-to-impact) 2. PDSTT with range >10NM: LTE 3s, loft, SARH/DL, missile does not go active (SARH/DL all the way to target) 3. TWS or PDSTT with range 15deg then 3s), no loft, active immediately December 21, 2020
@Ricardo-ck7zd 3 жыл бұрын
this is the type of match up we like seeing, next up f15 vs f14 would be nice , or f15 vs f16
@chrisandersonlv 3 жыл бұрын
F14 v F14 or any other like vs like would be cool. See tactics when you have an even playing field.
@major_kukri2430 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see F15 VS F16
@DemonLordGamingAC0 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisandersonlv F-14 vs F-14 is very interesting
@sparemaggs6060 3 жыл бұрын
how about both!
@mnkey5285 3 жыл бұрын
f-14 vs mig-28 lmaoo
@interfleet522 3 жыл бұрын
"it is kind of a longshot" lol
@cshan2313 3 жыл бұрын
pun intended i suppose xD
@TheMadVulpen 3 жыл бұрын
When the
@wreckervr5769 3 жыл бұрын
Longest of sHotS.
@Coldheartedmanong 3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s wise to always have a snack while watching GS’s videos
@theegunpro4561 3 жыл бұрын
These are wise words my friend
@UnixSysV 3 жыл бұрын
Does a bottle of whisky count as a snack?
@hoosierdaddy8002 3 жыл бұрын
I always have snacks ready.
@davisulo96 3 жыл бұрын
yessiiiiiir
@andrewruss5824 3 жыл бұрын
M&ms
@CuteEvie 3 жыл бұрын
Moral of the story is: The 54 doesn’t care if it’s launched by a human or AI, it acts the same once it leaves the rail.
@marcuscaesar851 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve found if you have a human rio after your launch in TWS mode(f16 doesn’t receive warning until 16sec to impact) and start a descending crank to extent his missile while keeping your radar under him looking up its possible to become unnotchable Bc the human rio can turn off certain filters Bc you’re under him looking up at a clear sky.
@dedensanusi9305 3 жыл бұрын
I love watching longshot dodging 4 amraam so easily..
@LongShotChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, glad you liked it, but itvwasnt that easy... F14A after all
@lindapowell117 3 жыл бұрын
Jim Powell speaking here. Just want you to know that the Tomcat in the picture is from VF-154, Black Knights, those are the squadrons colors and stripes. They are stationed in Lemoore CA. That also was my fighter squadron in 1967-1969. Vietnam war.
@vagrant1515 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service sir!
@bradyoung8197 3 жыл бұрын
Did u fly a phantom?
@slayr-gh9sx 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid, thx for the time making em, keep em coming, keep up great work!
@GnaedigerJupp 3 жыл бұрын
Applying different launch modes of the Am54 would be interesting. First, one in TCW to force a reaction, the second one in STT, followed by a crank. Then go for Sparrows for distraction and when getting closer to the MAR a phoenix launch in Pitbull around 15 miles.
@kenhelmers2603 3 жыл бұрын
True to life or not, these videos and entertaining and informational. I thank you :)
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for checking them out and always commenting Ken its much appreciated.
@user-bv3uy4hd3e 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing better than a Growling Sidewinder video after school!
@EvolvedTactical 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned the difference in technological age of the two aircraft. The Viper has received continuous updates, while the Tomcat being flown is positively ANCIENT. A -D model Tomcat would be more competitive, using a better data link, but even then, it hasn't received the modernization that the Viper has, nor has the Phoenix. Had the ASF21 program been approved (thanks, Cheney!), the modern version of the Tomcat would absolutely be able to give a Viper a run for its money.
@deepalperera4592 3 жыл бұрын
Cheney :|
@kahlrhoam6769 3 жыл бұрын
They maybe would’ve fixed that canopy visibility issue?
@EvolvedTactical 3 жыл бұрын
@@kahlrhoam6769 yes, one of the planned upgrades was a frame less windscreen. Improved flaps and slats would have increased the maneuverability of the Tomcat using "combat flaps" without the risk of getting them jammed. New engines would have given it a Mach 1.2-1.4 supercruise ability. All glass cockpits, integrated helmet mounted sights, improved radar cross section, and adding more fuel and payload were all planned. It's likely that, if the Tomcat were updated, the AIM54 would have seen similar upgrades. But even if it didn't, the Tomcat would have been able to carry a whole bunch of AMRAAMs into the fight. Instead, we got the Super Hornet....
@kahlrhoam6769 3 жыл бұрын
@@EvolvedTactical; Aye, to all the above you’ve written. I’d LOVE to see a frameless cat canopy! And especially correct> “Hornets instead”. I don’t know if a upgraded F-14 would outdo, performance wise, a SH-18? Maybe it’s be kind of like, how F-16s were intended to support the wide & deep fields of the F-15s?
@kahlrhoam6769 3 жыл бұрын
@@josephkugel5099; I’m a major Cat fan, & I adore the F-16 also. I can’t recall the German Ace, was it Eimmelmann, who said, it really came down to the pilot? That said, wouldn’t we’d be in utter deep shit vs a Felon?
@L0ck0nStr4t0s 3 жыл бұрын
man these videos make me wanna buy all the planes here. I was an EW troop for 12 years 8 at Tyndall doing T&E on RF stuff so its interesting how accurate this seems
@connormorris411 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these BVR fights
@maxprivate3805 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is amazing. It could be a popular TV show.
@dcsisstrange4783 3 жыл бұрын
Why is longshot using the weak-motor variant of the phoenix ? The MK60 is much faster and deadlier.
@flyingcactus1953 3 жыл бұрын
But even easier to notch
@dcsisstrange4783 3 жыл бұрын
@@flyingcactus1953 No. Do you know there are 3 phoenix variants ? One is weakest in all regards, the one used in this video. It has 'dumb' seeker and 'low' range. Then there is the variant with 'dumb seeker' but with HIGH range. That is the one most commonly used . Then there is also the "C" variant. It has smarter seeker and same range as first mentioned missile.
@radioactive9861 3 жыл бұрын
Alright! Another EXCELLENT video by GS!
@Crunch104 3 жыл бұрын
Great tips and review!
@dioad1739 3 жыл бұрын
Best voice on KZfaq GS I think I’ll start calling you the voice if you don’t mind.
@butcher4095 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video! I don't understand why the f-14 was at mach 0.7 and you at mach 1.5 at the start. Maybe it would have made a diffrence if he was faster? Any ideas? Also, what if the tomcat fired at tws?
@raptor4916 3 жыл бұрын
Well flown dude
@avrahamorsini178 3 жыл бұрын
New record 9 seconds yes love your video’s
@AdamAdamHDL 3 жыл бұрын
Just pitching an idea here. There was a training exercise between the Thai airforce and Chinese airforce, gripen vs J11. The opening day saw the J11 score perfect kill ratio against the gripens in fox 2 fights, but day 2 saw a complete reversal in BVR. It might make an interesting exercise to repeat using multiple PvP.
@qiyuxuan9437 3 жыл бұрын
Well, the J11A used in that exercise is pretty much the same J11A in DCS(Su27 with N001 radar) It is almost a generation behind gripen in terms of radar technology, so no surprice it lost in bvr. In ACM tho, the high maneuvering Su27 platform with R73 off bore capable missile via hmd is very deadly. In DCS, F15 vs Su27/J11A is pretty simlair, F15C has the bvr advantage while Su27 with R73 has the ACM advantage.
@DemonLordGamingAC0 3 жыл бұрын
2:20 You said absolutely everything!
@benh745 3 жыл бұрын
Heh! My wishes were granted :) great Vid! Longshot really gave it all.
@LongShotChannel 3 жыл бұрын
I did, that was fun
@jackphibbs8749 3 жыл бұрын
Such high quality videos
@rocksteady-radio 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome 👏 Simply sublime
@morgananderson9647 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great Video! ??? If this fight was taking place over a large body of Water, would defending in "the Notch" still work? based on attempting to hide in the ground clutter, and over water that option is not available. Would you please share your thoughts on this?
@raptorjackson6397 3 жыл бұрын
It was kinda a long shot... Well he is longshot
@baomao7243 2 жыл бұрын
Great engagement. 👍
@user-lr6ce1mw4k 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely Incredible, The skills of this guy blow me away
@Anarchy_420 3 жыл бұрын
Yo wut up
@cocobeans706 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Would love to see some more WW2 content too. 👍
@amkessel2014 3 жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying the shift to demonstrating BVR tactics! I'm wondering, tho, that since I never saw the Phoenix's missile symbol on your RWR, does that mean that you were actually notching the F-14's radar and not the Phoenix's (i.e. the Phoenix never got to the point of going pitbull before you broke lock)? I assume that if a Phoenix does ever get to pitbull, you'd then have to notch THAT radar and not the 14's, right?
@Mike_Romeo 3 жыл бұрын
That is correct. Until the 54 goes pitpull, it's guided by the F14 radar and so you have to notch that first.
@ydsimulations 3 жыл бұрын
Now put a good rio in the back of the f14.
@DemonLordGamingAC0 3 жыл бұрын
I think Jester done a good job there
@dyren7437 3 жыл бұрын
wouldnt make too much of a difference here. Its more the shot parameters the tomcat is firing his phoenixes at.
@ydsimulations 3 жыл бұрын
@@dyren7437 the reason why it drops the lock is that the pulse doppler radar of the 14 filters out ground clutter so then you can notch the radar. the pulse mode will show ground clutter also with any targets and can not be notched. a good rio will recognize this and pickup the aircraft quickly on the other radar mode.
@dyren7437 3 жыл бұрын
@@ydsimulations I know how notching works. I was talking about the distances the phoenixes were shot at.
@Taternader 3 жыл бұрын
I want to see a video of BVR tactics for the Tomcat, and how to makeup for its shortcomings
@GnaedigerJupp 3 жыл бұрын
For the most part, it's the limitation of Jester.
@arsarma1808 3 жыл бұрын
@@GnaedigerJupp Like if Jester punches out he won't launch missiles?
@baomao7243 2 жыл бұрын
@@GnaedigerJupp “jesters dead” 😉
@UkraineStar77 3 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. The only situation where it can get kinda dicey for the Viper is if the Tomcat fires a Pulse-STT Sparrow below 10nm and you are down to sidewinders. Ideally, if everyone respects the MAR it'll end in a stalemate and everyone flies back home.
@JETZcorp 2 жыл бұрын
I've done a lot of PSTT Sparrow shots against notching bandits, and it doesn't work. You have a great solid lock but the missile just flies straight into nowhere. I don't know if a real continuous-wave guidance signal has a notch or if it's just a DCS thing, but I know in the sim you can notch a PSTT Sparrow right down to merge distances. In my view, the job of a Tomcat against a notching bandit is to keep the missiles coming so that the bandit must stay in his notch or face certain death, then it's usually a Sidewinder that gets the kill. That works pretty well, but if your bandit has 120s and 9Xs, it's not so hard for him to dip out of his notch for 1 second and force you to break your siege.
@UkraineStar77 2 жыл бұрын
@@JETZcorp Sure, the sparrow can get chaffed, not neccessarily notched. You can't notch pulse/monopulse. You technically could do the same in PD in a 3 degree lookcup (MLC filter disabled). If the bandit stays on the notch he either gets picked up by your wingman who'll be at an offset or your sidewinder. Sparrows on the Tomcat have been pretty broken for the past year now anyway.
@JETZcorp 2 жыл бұрын
@@UkraineStar77 I think the Sparrows in DCS don't have a very realistic seeker. I think they basically behave the same as a Fox-3 except they just give up if the lock is broken. I don't think the details of the guidance is actually modeled. When I shoot a Sparrow from a Tomcat at a notching bandit, it's dumb right off the rail, same as a Phoenix. I was disappointed about it because I thought I'd found a cure to my buddy's Hornet.
@GunniesLetsFlyVFR 3 жыл бұрын
This should be listed as an educational channel. Hahah. Awesome vid Growling. Ok lets get in the merge with no flaps on the F14. :)
@nuhomusic9343 3 жыл бұрын
Make some scenarios like those that happened over yugoslavia in 1999. Some of those might prove to be interesting
@SteviePonder123 3 жыл бұрын
The Fight we all wanted
@danieledelfino6527 3 жыл бұрын
Awesomeee, do it with F18 vs f14, humans
@carolinablu3 3 жыл бұрын
@GS super cool video.... did you have 9x? And did LS have 9x or 9m?
@smittywjmj 3 жыл бұрын
Tomcat can't carry AIM-9X.
@fabio1160 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! What I don't quite understand is the last FOX-2 exchange. Why did yours hit so easily, while Longshot's went straight for flare? Is it the spin that you did? Luck? Launch parameters? Why is that?
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
Mine are more advanced 9x his are 9m which I guess is another reason why the viper has an advantage over the tomcat in a merge.
@Raz.C 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what those knobs/ dials/ controls GS is fiddling with at ~ 0:25 ish? I'd LOVE to know what every dial and switch and knob, etc, all does in a modern jet fighter. But for today, I'll settle for knowing what it is that GS is adjusting.
@alucardleashed 3 жыл бұрын
Would be absolutely epic to see GS go against Hasard Lee, a former F-16 pilot (and current F-35 pilot).
@lucianp87 3 жыл бұрын
Nice thumbnail!
@johnporten8303 3 жыл бұрын
Sweet
@Basilone45 3 жыл бұрын
is chaff able to trash a missile that is already tracking or is it just good for spoofing a missile as it goes pitbull
@Harker_N 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video, well played! Your videos are quickly becoming reference material in our squadron. They really overestimated the capabilities of the APG-68v5 though. No way it can detect and STT a target at these ranges. Anything over 45-50 NM shouldn't show up.
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
thanks man glad you guys are finding the videos useful.
@JETZcorp 2 жыл бұрын
I agree about the radar. I've read that AWACS operators before datalink hated working with F-16s, because they were constantly asking questions and had a lot of trouble acquiring targets. Whereas if they talked to an F-15, the Eagle driver would find the bandit immediately at long range and just take care of business on his own. I'm sure the v5 is better than those older APG-68s, but no one says it's the match of a 63v1 radar Eagle. Yet in DCS, if anything the Viper's radar is stronger.
@Uncle_Shamrock 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any way to evade or notch AMRAAMs? If it is please make video for It?
@lekille3547 3 жыл бұрын
i love your bvr
@johnmarston2616 3 жыл бұрын
Dang I wasn’t expecting this BVR Fox 3 demonstration to turn into a Fox 2 trade and almost get into a merge.
@raptorjackson6397 3 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to do this for the Air Force
@tarunbasra8230 3 жыл бұрын
Your a piolet
@ChickentNug 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck. I'm wanting to do the same thing. I'm taking the ASVAB on March 12th, so hopefully I get the right scores lol
@sweatygoatlive1116 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChickentNug dont sweat it bud, ASVAB is easy. Mostly common sense, study up on your basic math and science and you'll do fine
@Mr.Scootini 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChickentNug good luck, I’m smart enough to be a student pilot. Not an AF fighter pilot tho 😂 or even a heavy 😂
@arielgarcia8570 3 жыл бұрын
I want to see more f-22 action 🎬
@leemullins495 3 жыл бұрын
With a lot of newer f16 coming with cfts, wouldn’t that open up another hard point to up the missile count past 6? Or is there something else preventing this?
@ASJC27 3 жыл бұрын
According to the block 50/52 manual aim-9/aim-120 can't be loaded on the stations used for external tanks (stations 4, 6).
@glasreiniger9988 3 жыл бұрын
A10 vs SU25
@PSG1JOHN1 3 жыл бұрын
GUNS Only lol
@canadianbeef827 3 жыл бұрын
i love this idea. a guns only dogfight between these two beasts
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
Lol no.
@Anarchy_420 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder Request- Hawker Sea Fury VS MIG-15 Authentic Korean War Fight! Very interesting matchup considering a piston driven Sea Fury actually shot down a MIG-15 jet during the Korean War!
@kaesees 3 жыл бұрын
I tried to get him to do a guns only Airbus vs Boeing dogfight in MS Flight Simulator 2020, but no dice :/
@crispyPolenta 3 жыл бұрын
Curious why neither of the two heat-seekers the Tomcat fired at the end seemed to track.
@Topbuzzr 3 жыл бұрын
good stuff
@darkodin2007 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see the dcs version of the Supertomcat had it been approved.
@smittywjmj 3 жыл бұрын
@@josephkugel5099 Grumman didn't even have a concept design for the ASF-14, there were no specifications laid down for it and no one has any idea of its capabilities because they didn't exist. Don't talk out of your ass like that.
@gwall5971 3 жыл бұрын
F-8 Crusader vs F-4 Phantom if it's possible please. Help settle an old Navy rivalry. Also can we see some century fighters like the F-104 & F-106?
@benh745 3 жыл бұрын
That would be really nice, unfortunately they are not in the game.
@jamesorcutt599 3 жыл бұрын
Do they run two player two seater tourneys?
@no-kf8yy 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see an F-14 vs F-15 dogfight
@AaaBbb-ff1pn 3 жыл бұрын
i wonder why there is only 1 f14 vs f15 in his videos series. in real life was the most hot topic among us entusiast
@Nixo_01 3 жыл бұрын
how do you get to know which equipment the opponent is carrying? I mean in-game it is simulated but what about irl? Do pilots get to know about the enemies equipment?
@Mike_Romeo 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on their intelligence but I think they will assume that they carry the best missiles that their airforce offers.
@lepermessiyah5823 3 жыл бұрын
kind of a longshot cursor appears on under longshots name
@josephrosenbaum3343 3 жыл бұрын
the one and only way that you can combat the notch weakness is turning off the notch filter and firing an STT phoenix at the bandit. And even then that method only works in so many scenario's
@GyntonikSoul 3 жыл бұрын
the biggest problem on dcs with the tomcat is if you have to rely on jester, you will be notched easily. Too easily. With a good R.I.O. you can avoid that. Yeah, sure, you can notch maybe the first phoenix in TWS, but the others in a s.t.t. lock? The F16 is a demon in bvr and in general Air to Air, and the tomcat too. But without a competent r.i.o. and with a skilled f16 pilot, the tomcat won't stand a chance. For a fair fight, you need a r.i.o. and a good one with a decent knowledge of the awg9 and his system, especially the one focused on the clutter. With that, the fight should be really interesting, because in the right hands both the plane are really strong.
@christophercastleberry2408 3 жыл бұрын
How are you supposed to even have a rio when he ejects prematurely every time
@JETZcorp 2 жыл бұрын
You can have the best RIO in the world, but if you're notching the missile itself it's just going to slide on by. I've been in a Tomcat against a good Mirage operator. You get close and have him solidly in P-STT (which has no notch) and on the TCS for backup. Shoot the missile and it just goes straight, because the missile itself has a notch. AIM-7 too. First chance you get to take a real shot is a Sidewinder, and if the bandit is really plugged in he's ready on the flares. Next thing you know you've missed with 5 missiles and now you're merged with a Mirage. It's really hard to notch that accurately, but those who can do it are like Teflon; you can't make anything stick to them.
@ryanbellyt 3 жыл бұрын
How does the aim54c compare?
@wingmanemu3473 3 жыл бұрын
its really hard with the f15 though id like to see how you can beat the f14 without the help of Helmet or datalink good vids mate
@JETZcorp 2 жыл бұрын
It's very similar. As with everything in the Eagle, you just have to develop a sense of where the Tomcat probably is when you turn back in (RWR obviously helps) and let the awesome radar do the rest. The biggest limitation of the F-15 in the anti-Tomcat game is the lack of AIM-9X. When you get to Sidewinder range the Eagle and Tomcat are on equal terms and a merge is likely unless one guy is a bozo about flares and burners. The 9X doesn't really care about flares so Vipers and Hornets get a huge advantage.
@twothouse123 3 жыл бұрын
Curious....what if the f14 just spqmmed Phoenix's? Isit the Phoenix that cant read the notch or the tomcats radar?
@smittywjmj 3 жыл бұрын
The Phoenix. The Tomcat has to turn away to defend against the AMRAAMs anyway, so its radar wouldn't be able to maintain lock and he has to guide it until the Phoenix goes active on its own. Ripple-firing all the Phoenixes just means they all miss that much faster, and one notch defeats multiple missiles.
@pvsheridan 3 жыл бұрын
In the context of calls to resurrect the F-14 (as example, search The U.S. Navy's Secret Wish: Bring Back the F-14 Tomcat?), as well as an experiment of true platform capabilities, let's try this...equip the F-14 platform with AMRAAMs, helmet mounted bore sight, updated data link and assume the flaps don't jam. After retrofit, my fight would be the SU-35 as a prove-out. Just a thought.
@dacbom 3 жыл бұрын
I know it would be harder without the altitude and speed capabilities of the Viper, but can you please try the same methods with Hornet vs Tomcat? I think the same principles should work, but you may need to delay the first launch from the hornet.
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
this will not work with the hornet, the hornet can not get high and fast enough, hornet has to accept that the first launch belongs to the tomcat and for the hornet to come back around and get back on the offensive can be very very difficult. as soon as it comes out of the notch its going to get another aim54 which is going to force it back into the notch and the tomcat theoretically should be able to keep it there long enough to kill it with a fox-2 if needed.
@ROTNReaper Жыл бұрын
How do you lock him up at 70nm? I can't even see anyone till 40, and lock under 30, and I can't get my aamram to get into its proper kinematics until 15nm. This has to be a modified radar?
@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын
The radar has been heavily nerfed since this video (but supposedly that is also more realistic now)
@arzhangsadeghi 3 жыл бұрын
Quick question, Why f-14 didn't lock you with TWS and fire phoenix ? so you couldn't tel that you were locked and shot at until the end stage of phoenix flight??
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
So he actually did fire some TWS aim54s but Someone who knows how to fight the tomcat would always ASSUME there is a TWS aim54 coming and defend from there. Also TWS has a tendency to drop locks due to large altitude fluctuations so STT is a little more reliable.
@nedredhead474 3 жыл бұрын
You make it look so easy, when do you think the first flight sim with decently modeled systems for modern jets/planes came out?
@Mike_Romeo 3 жыл бұрын
There are allready simulators with deep system simulation for decades. Microsoft flight simulator X, X-Planne11, Prepare3D, and Microsoft Fs2020 when 3 party company do high quality addons for it.
@operator0 3 жыл бұрын
As old as the AWG-9 is, doesn't it still have track while scan capability, negating any RWR warning of an incoming AIM-54 until the missile goes pitbull? Is this modeled correctly in DCS?
@sloppy-1-1 3 жыл бұрын
It has TWS, I don't know why longshot is using stt.
@HeinzMcDurgen 3 жыл бұрын
@@sloppy-1-1 This was what I was thinking the entire time. I understand GS is making a point about notching the Phx, but you have to fly and have planes execute at the same level for a real comparison. Mach 1.5 vs Mach 0.7. We know GS is launching in TWS, LS isn't. These things add up.
@HeinzMcDurgen 3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention he's firing 120Cs while LS has the 54A and not the 54C - which has a much higher chaff/notch resistance.
@sloppy-1-1 3 жыл бұрын
@@HeinzMcDurgen aim 54 c is like a finger of god
@PolarBearSeal 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a similar video from the Tomcat's perspective and drop some tips on how to out fight a Viper?
@tomdtom5407 3 жыл бұрын
2 questions: 1) why the Tomcat is in slow speed ( straight wings). 2) why didn't he use TWS in first shot ( GS got early warning tone, so PDSTT). Also in Tacview se can see that the Tomcat loose lock due maneuvers, and Ph 2, 3 ( at least) went dumb. So, for me the Turkey driver is not as good as GS.
@steveh1256 3 жыл бұрын
Is there really any point to releasing chaff flares? Seems in all the videos the missile is never fooled by them.
@steveng6511 3 жыл бұрын
So....what do you do if a F-14 and a F-16 both launch on you from bvr?
@doormouse2318 3 жыл бұрын
Were those 14 launch warnings at 61 miles? Was Longshot STT instead of TWS?
@Mike_Romeo 3 жыл бұрын
Yes because a 54 in tws is easier to defeat.
@doormouse2318 3 жыл бұрын
If you know its coming.... that is.
@maybesherlock734 3 жыл бұрын
can you do one you are in the tomcat .... long time ago a video of you f14 vs mig 29 (f14 was mod) you knew some timings to shoot two phoenixes so by the time he was busy with the first one the second one got him ... would worth a try :D
@GeorgeCee 3 жыл бұрын
Bro Great fight. IMO: Longshots wings were not in full sweep and he wasn't over Mach 1. He fired most of Phoenix missiles at Sub-Mach 1. I think it would have made a big difference if he had a higher speed when firing the AIM-54's.
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
thanks buddy i duno man the aim54 has a lot of thrust and can kind of make up for the low launch speed although yes to be faster would have been faster, at the end of the day regardless of the missiles speed once its notched is notched.
@thomasbessis2809 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@climbtrees2427 3 жыл бұрын
at 14:08....dude nice work and awesome teaching skill... don't worry about folks who just run their mouths... you know your distances, altitudes, and speeds... its a matrix not algebra fools ;)
@MustangsCanTurnToo 3 жыл бұрын
Is there an E-3 on each side? Who are you linking with?
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
Yes awacs on both sides
@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM 3 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the tune, at the end of the dogfight?
@Mike_Romeo 3 жыл бұрын
Its a edited version of the Battelfield 1942 theme
@TheDegenerateLord 2 жыл бұрын
HOW THE HEL did you lock him at 70 miles? The furthest away i can lock anyone is like 40=50 in the viper?
@welltell. 3 жыл бұрын
In this fight it is going to be Notch... un-Notch... Notch...un-Notch... rinse and repeat.
@njsullyalex2744 3 жыл бұрын
Request: This same dogfight again, but you're flying the F-14 with Jester. As an F-14 pilot in DCS I'd like to know how best to defeat the Viper in the Tomcat.
@JG10rBull 3 жыл бұрын
Time for a challenge, Alt 30,000 your in a F18 with 2x Aim9x Vs one Mig29S with R73x4 and 2 X 27ET at 30,000 AI set at Ace now here is the kicker.. your not allowed to fire head on!! set up a one circle and defeat the bandit.. its fun trust me.. or use a Su27 but there much easier to beat... one last thing your not aloud to dive under 20,000 and can play with the range but I've been starting at 50nm
@welcomb 3 жыл бұрын
What about the fangirls? I grew up in the 90s too but a fan of the Viper. Fly-by-wire was impressive.
@JETZcorp 3 жыл бұрын
You still really really need to fight OldSauveur. Dude notches 120Cs all the way to the merge and goes for guns. It's so sexy.
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
Ya he’s awesome really good
@l.j.4577 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up in the 90‘ too, like the Viper more: but at the end i fly the Av8b 😂😂 To be honest: every Modul is awesome in dcs 😅🤤🤤
@johnhallara5309 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe the two budget multirole fighters contenders Gripen against Vipet will be a hell of a fight for sure
@Asghaad 3 жыл бұрын
depends on the armament, if Gripen gets the Meteor ...
@pgsink 3 жыл бұрын
I became a fan when the f22 pulled formation with GS. That video inspired me to make a tiny android game.
@egalfano104 3 жыл бұрын
Could you do more SEAD videos please?
@sloppydog4831 3 жыл бұрын
How you and Longshot are still friends are beyond me. Doesn't he is tired of being shot down by you every time? (Just kidding 😃). Nice fight.
@Mastiique 3 жыл бұрын
What is this epic song that you put at the end of each fight ? it's sick
@Mike_Romeo 3 жыл бұрын
Its a privat remix of the battlefield 1942 theme. So you wont find it anywhere.
@Mastiique 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mike_Romeo Ok thats a shame. Thanks for the answer :)
@xaviert7839 3 жыл бұрын
Can we have a F16 vs Su35 BVR if possible?
@TurbodanNM 3 жыл бұрын
Were both planes carrying 9x's? Interesting that it came down to a fox-2 shootout. Seems like it could have gone either way at that point.
@Asghaad 3 жыл бұрын
@@pogo1140 F14A should have 9L only i think, 9M would mean more modern variant of the plane.
@rederos8079 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, can we see this from the tomcats point of view someday? Just got the cat from the lunar sale and would be great to see how would you fight in that situation in the cat
@qiyuxuan9437 3 жыл бұрын
You will probably need a good human rio😂
@rederos8079 3 жыл бұрын
@@qiyuxuan9437 I am currently searching for one... Jester is nice but I'd like to have an ability to use laser guided bombs too
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