American F-86 Sabre Vs Soviet Mig-15 BIS Dogfight | Korean War | Digital Combat Simulator

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American F-86 Sabre Vs Soviet Mig-15 BIS Dogfight | Korean War | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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@beatboxbuggi6884 2 жыл бұрын

I feel it’s worth noting that it’s 9 days until the F-15s 50th birthday, in case you wanna plan something special for the Eagle’s big day!

@shirothehero0609 2 жыл бұрын

Well that's quite the good idea. A big ass Eagle fight is needed. Maybe a 50 eagle flight against 75 mig 29s?

@peterweller8583 2 жыл бұрын

I heard they were getting an AESA Saber upgrade.

@debbiestimac5175 2 жыл бұрын

How about an F-15C dressed up in the Eagle's original birthday suit? The air superiority blue of the F-15A when it was at First Fighter at Langley, Virginia USA! Such a pretty jet in that color!

@Mountain_Yeti 2 жыл бұрын

MiG vs Mustang? 🤔

@ndx6779 2 жыл бұрын

@@debbiestimac5175 I lament the overly-practical, gray, drab, ugly paint schemes of USAF and USN aircraft today. We must return to flamboyant, stylish, bold paint schemes! also hooray somebody who knows the F-15 was originally blue. unfortunately there doesn't seem exist an air superiority blue skin for the DCS Eagle, yet.

@Kevhoe 2 жыл бұрын

I love these first generation jet fighters. There’s just something awesome about their simplicity and elegance.

@argon7624 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, they are elegant, but they're 2nd generation jet fighters. 1st gen would include stuff like the F-80, Gloster Meteor, Me 262, and the Mig-9

@MrLobster555 2 ай бұрын

@@argon7624it rly depends wat classification system you are using

@CRAZYHORSE19682003 2 жыл бұрын

I remember reading in a book where Sabre pilots said the key to fighting the MIG-15 was to keep the speed as high as possible. The MIG's unassisted flight controls made the stick and rudder very heavy at high speeds and it couldn't maneuver as well and it would tire the pilots out quicker.

@mattkellen9006 2 жыл бұрын

Turns out the issue of the F-86's guns having limited effectiveness against the MiG-15 was due to the API rounds commonly used by the the US in Korea had unreliable detonation upon impact at high altitude, significantly reducing the damage caused by each hit. Supposedly the Sabre's guns were more effective (still not great) below 25,000 MSL.

@Skyfighter64 2 жыл бұрын

AFAIK, there was no detonation involved with the M20 API-T round, instead the rounds relied on aerodynamically heating Magnesium that was etched into the bullets. Since it's aerodynamic heating, it makes sense that it could easily fail at higher altitudes.

@mattkellen9006 2 жыл бұрын

Ah, I was under the impression the non-tracer cartridge was impact detonated, but I am always happy to learn, especially if the tracers operated that way.

@mikemontgomery2654 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I always thought their small caliber was the problem, coupled with the mig’s ability to take punishment.

@immikeurnot 2 жыл бұрын

"unreliable detonation upon impact at high altitude," Dubious. The compounds they used in those bullets should have worked fine in a vacuum. Like gunpowder, they burned so fast that atmospheric oxygen wasn't a factor.

@AlexConnor_ 2 жыл бұрын

@@noele6588 USN did the math and decided 1x 20mm cannon is worth 3.5x 50cal in firepower. 4x 20mm is equivalent firepower to 14x 50cal.

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 жыл бұрын

Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com Although these aircraft are very similar on paper the F-86 had a higher kill to death ratio during the war, a couple of the reasons is the better trained pilots (although some korean pilots were actually secretly very well trained and experienced soviet pilots from the USSR), and also the fact that the American pilots were using G suits, which allowed them to pull more G's and to hold those G's a little longer than their Mig Counterparts. I'm sure you can imagine how much of an advantage that gave sabres during the war, anyway guys thank you for watching and I'll see you in the next one, Much Love.

@andrewrogers3067 2 жыл бұрын

Are there any differences statistically? Or are they practically copies?

@Anarchy_420 2 жыл бұрын

F-22 VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR F-35 VS MIG-31 BVR

@Anarchy_420 2 жыл бұрын

It'd be cool if you flew The F4U Corsair against The MIG-15 in a dogfight! As The F4U Corsair shot down a MIG-15!👍

@highlander723 2 жыл бұрын

8:55 OMG how dramatic...

@f22lover34 2 жыл бұрын

More WWI content

@clint9040 2 жыл бұрын

Because of their history , these two are my fav jets of all time. What a treat seeing these two tangle in guns only like back in the day. My dad served in the Air Force in Korea, he worked in the payroll office. :)

@hatelife7447 2 жыл бұрын

god damn finance always fucking up my check

@atadbitnefarious1387 2 жыл бұрын

Always quick to take your pay. Always slow to pay you out lol.

@clint9040 2 жыл бұрын

My dad went on to be an accountant for a rum distillery. The one that eventually distributed captain Morgan rum

@samuelalexander8030 2 жыл бұрын

@@clint9040 Redemption for a nonner

@rocksteel44 2 жыл бұрын

...mine too...

@GM-fh5jp 2 жыл бұрын

Uncanny how the technology of the day was able to produce such closely matched fighters. Similar to how close in performance the BF109 and the Spitfire were in WW2. An illustration of how science and design were/are open source fields of study.

@bazejs8084 2 жыл бұрын

Probably because both of them based on WW2 German project Messerschmitt P.1101 and Focke-Wulf Ta-183. Similar to submarines: both US Tang, Barracuda and Soviet Projects 611, 613, 614, 633, and 644 were derivatives of German Type XXI submarine. Soviet Project 611 was basically a Type XXI built in USSR. Only later on both US and USSR design schools went their own different way including their respective doctrines, experiences and needs.

@Raptor747 2 жыл бұрын

The British "sold" the USSR its best jet engines shortly after WW2, under the "promise" that the USSR wouldn't use them for military purposes. The Soviets never had any intention of keeping said promise, and gave the Soviets cutting edge jet engine technology.

@bazejs8084 2 жыл бұрын

@@Raptor747 Yes, but British was neither stupid nor naive to believe a single word from Soviet delegation, they knew what Soviet are going to do with such technology. British did that on purpose to put a pressure on US government which was refusing to allow GB to participate in US nuclear program despite all British contribution to Manhattan project. The result was domestic British nuclear program and after few years - the 1958 UK-US Mutual Defence Agreement, a bilateral treaty between the United States and the United Kingdom on nuclear weapons co-operation.

@immikeurnot 2 жыл бұрын

It's not that uncanny, since a whole lot of the Soviet bird was stolen from the West. For example, the engine was literally gifted to them by the British government. The MiG-15 was rocking a Rolls-Royce powerplant... that had been reverse-engineered... after the Brits simply handed several brand-new engines to the Soviets. Unforgiveable.

@jasons9564 2 жыл бұрын

That slomo at 5 mins is probably some of the coolest you've gotten. Your shadow going across his wing and then getting the casings. Pure gold

@juannicastro8598 2 жыл бұрын

3:24 the F-86D is an interceptor variant of the F-86. It has been equipped with four 20mm cannons, a new nose(to fit the radar) and a new afterburning engine. This variant became known as the "Sabre Dog". Note: it wasn't supersonic.

@thomashanson6603 2 жыл бұрын

F86F-2 also had 4 20mms

@juannicastro8598 2 жыл бұрын

@@thomashanson6603 Well, haven't heard of that variant, i'll check it out later.

@zsepirpapkendo3223 2 жыл бұрын

Subsonic jet interceptor wtf

@jordancourse5102 2 жыл бұрын

You mean the F-2 sabre with the T-160 20mmcannons

@thomashanson6603 2 жыл бұрын

@@zsepirpapkendo3223 well it was 1952

@Joze1090 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see you play both planes in the same video. One in the mig then one on the Sabre to show us the advantages and disadvantages of each aircraft.

@schmerkampfmunde 2 жыл бұрын

I always admire Longshot's full on, super agressive style. Props to both of you guys.

@jasong3442 2 жыл бұрын

My favorite fight to watch, it never gets old! I'm an F-86 fanboy so would love to see this from the other side. Also would be cool to see a 4 v 4 like a simulated patrol intercepting over the Yalu!!

@coopermagnuson8202 2 жыл бұрын

Yo GS, I think it'd be pretty cool of you pressed the standard key bind of Right Ctrl + Enter before a fight. Itll bring up your control inputs on screen, and allow the viewer to have a better understanding of what you are doing in the fight to get the results that we see.

@chrisstopher2277 2 жыл бұрын

I thought this was real.......

@chrisstopher2277 2 жыл бұрын

@@ItsMeMikey998 sarcasm

@chrisstopher2277 2 жыл бұрын

@@ItsMeMikey998 hard to be sarcastic while typing something. KZfaq needs a sarcasm button.

@TheIvanNewb 2 жыл бұрын

The Sabre was upgraded with 20mm cannons if engine stalls due to gun fumes count as upgrading lol That being said, the later F-86K Sabre Dog had 20mm cannons although that one was different from earlier ones.

@ChalcedonXXX 2 жыл бұрын

Was that the Super sabre? I had a model of one of those I made as a kid.

@TheIvanNewb 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChalcedonXXX Super Sabre was the F-100, I think the 20mm test version was the F-86F-2.

@benn454 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheIvanNewb Yep. F-100 Super Sabre kicked off the Century Series.

@johnhermann7498 2 жыл бұрын

With two 23mm and one 37mm cannon, it doesn't take many hits from a MiG-15 to turn a fighter into slightly abused, miscellaneous spare parts ... Thanks again for another great video... I can't wait to see what you do with the Mirage F-1 or the F-4 Phabulous Phantom!

@zooweemama911 2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully we’ll get the Phantom this year, that’s what has been claimed as the release date, sometime in Q4 2022. However as is so often the case in DCS, this very well may be postponed till Q1/2 of 2023. Can’t wait for F-4E/J and MiG-23ML in DCS. Mirage F1 in 2 days…

@johnhermann7498 2 жыл бұрын

@@zooweemama911 - Same... My new Internet gets installed this week and the F1 is a top priority for me.... Ramen noodles for the month! ;)

@johnhermann7498 2 жыл бұрын

@@Max_Da_G - Size matters.

@wrathgamingyt3348 2 жыл бұрын

I'm addicted to these vids honestly, and I appreciate the consistency. Just got a t16000m and I hope to get to your skill level some day. Keep it up!

@Garfield91076 2 жыл бұрын

I just got the same and i'm having a blast just practicing with the p47!

@mrblablablabla 2 жыл бұрын

That first round was one of the most epic dogfights I've ever seen. Bravo!

@dustinmckee1857 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoy the longer videos, gives more time for educational tips and explanations,I learn a lot watching your dogfights.

@tubingview3251 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely good for the longer format, additional rounds. Thanks.

@fubaralakbar6800 2 жыл бұрын

Air Force One: I am the world's most secure aircraft. MiG-15: Screw you, I got a combination lock. In all seriousness, the detail in DCS just blows my mind. Look at the scratches in the canopy glass, the shell casings falling through the air. Absolutely god-tier. PS: Does this mean you are getting closer to that which I've been nagging you for?

@bonidle726 2 жыл бұрын

The .50bmg struggled to do the damage desired because of aircraft having to be built stronger due to the added stresses of high speed flight. There are many accounts of Migs being hit by Sabres repeatedly and escaping full of holes. This lead to Project GunVal in 1953 which saw 12 Sabres being fitted with 20mm cannons and deployed amongst the in theatre Sabres to assess any advantage to cannons over HMG’s. From the results it was decided that the cannons were the way to go, something that every major Air Force had already concluded in WW2. As a direct result of Project GunVals findings all new model American fighter aircraft were cannon armed after 1953. If memory serves it was a 13 to 1 kill ratio for the F-86 in Korea. One can only speculate just how much more successful it would have been if it had always been built with the heavier weaponry fitted.

@user-ih5sg4uf4g 2 жыл бұрын

Смешно 13 к 1

@mahmoudyassen8444 2 жыл бұрын

Although this kind of videos had been repeated a lot but every time you upload it I like watching it

@rolfbrunckhorst7272 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video GS! Really appreciate the classics!

@TomSarh 2 жыл бұрын

We almost had a revival of the watch yo jet video from last year at 5:22 Amazing video as usual too !

@revengefullobster4524 2 жыл бұрын

Another example of it comes down to the pilot. Good vid!

@romainlavoie1526 Жыл бұрын

Great great video ! When you watch this - there is no question that these men, from both sides when going to battle in these jet fighters had BALLS OF STEEL !

@KiiDbeamO 2 жыл бұрын

5:22 that was spectacular amazing flying from the both of you 😂🤌🏼💯

@TexasGreed 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome always love this match up. The video of these 2 over the city is one of my favorites.

@esr243 2 жыл бұрын

Love those vintage fights much more than any modern / contemporary confrontation

@indianajon7980 2 жыл бұрын

That was a great video. I think that first merge might have been inside the 500ft safety bubble though 🤔😋

@josephbishop3231 2 жыл бұрын

These are some of my favorite videos!

@IndyBrainWave 2 жыл бұрын

When he dove down on top of you, I think he scored a couple of hits with shell casings ... XD

@TheBeasteri 2 жыл бұрын

this is the content I subscribed for! Do more cold war and WW2 fights!

@urielmanzone1772 2 жыл бұрын

It might be the F1 hype but i've been very keen on pre gen 4 planes lately, really nice video

@alexandernalerio1108 2 жыл бұрын

Broooo the video was released 4 minutes ago and there are already 25 comments GS you may feel the king of the prom!

@paulyb6458 2 жыл бұрын

The shot at 08.20+ - fighter aces from WW2 often speak about being in turning fights and only pulling the trigger once the bandit disappeared under their nose. Great deflection shooting BTW!

@JCLocke 2 жыл бұрын

This was a very enjoyable dogfight to watch. Absoulty, a very entertaining video!

@JAEUFM 2 жыл бұрын

That close in the downward rolling scissor reminds me a bit of the dogfight Col. Ralph Par had when engaging 16 Migs during the Korean War.

@peterweller8583 2 жыл бұрын

Good job Farmer I have not seen the Saber Mig 15 match up before.

@johnbockmann 2 жыл бұрын

These are some of my favorite planes. It's great to see them in action. Thanks!

@robertsantillan984 2 жыл бұрын

Great video

@SnaketheJake87 2 жыл бұрын

Here’s your back in my day for the KZfaq algorithm.

@fishbed_ 2 жыл бұрын

I was literally looking at the f86 in person right as this video was published lol

@FCNF_Reaper 2 жыл бұрын

Great videos keep it up!

@MrKnoxguy101 Жыл бұрын

No comeback for the Sabre today.. you pilot that Mig quite well.

@vikrejj Жыл бұрын

The first fight was so intense! The MiG-15 is my favorite plane of all time and seeing you fly it is awesome anytime!

@KirkDammett 2 жыл бұрын

Request 3: GS in the F/A-18C vs a buddy in the Mustang or Spitfire! Great vid as always :)

@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476 2 жыл бұрын

That was a hell of a first round nice!!

@thegreenmamba100 2 жыл бұрын

l started watching a couple months ago, and pretty much take them in any opportunity l get. Love it all. WW1 to F22 :) Also really appreciate your ability to explain the tactics you’re using WHILE doing them. My brain couldn’t handle that. And obviously, love the fun of seeing things explode. You’re good at that too :)

@jonah_.l 2 жыл бұрын

Love these vids

@orenjones237 2 жыл бұрын

Frickin hate it when you fly as the Mig-15. Love the match-up, hate the perspective. Anyway, thanks for making the video!

@calebbrux5880 2 жыл бұрын

It's always is a great fight between the mig-15 and f-86. love the content

@baraahamoood3372 2 жыл бұрын

Maaaan that was an awesome video

@ytdlder 2 жыл бұрын

Quick question: how do you do these beautiful - sometimes slow-mow - shots from the external camera? Is that capturing from the DCS Track file? These never work for me... weird stuff, that didn't happen while flying and such....

@johnminisi8470 2 жыл бұрын

F-86 is the jet I'm using to learn the basics of DCS, would love more videos from the perspective of the Sabre'

@erics8192 2 жыл бұрын

You know you've watched this channel too much when you fire up ace combat 7 and you ask yourself "I should try to get him in a one circle fight" before you remember that you're playing an ace combat game.

@lacadora1 2 жыл бұрын

The Mig 15 has 2x23s, and a 37, but nearly the same.

@thomashanson6603 2 жыл бұрын

Came to the comments for this

@jexmatex 2 жыл бұрын

Nice vid as usual, are you using reshade or something ? look really saturated

@callumwearne7870 2 жыл бұрын

Ah some truly great golden oldies here both are very nice birds indeed and the fight even better

@cgilleybsw 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely beautiful video...

@yeyu999 2 жыл бұрын

Always love to see F86 vs Mig 15. I saw someone said that F86 vs Mig 15 was the chess of dogfight . Totally agree.

@AndrewH2791 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice. Love these aircraft to bits.

@vtolgorgon4080 2 жыл бұрын

Jesus christ that first merge was close lol

@erikerice9068 2 жыл бұрын

It's also (in real life), a g-fight. Can you imagine how many g's these guys were carrying in these turns?

@numbersletters3886 2 жыл бұрын

MiG 15, 2 x 23x115mm and 1 37x155mm cannons. Not being a snob, just an fyi. Not 2 x 25mm. Love the channel, thanks!!!

@yourgrandmasalzheimerpills1143 2 жыл бұрын

Man he has so many opportunities to end the fight 😂 thst must have been so frustrating for Shotgun gg

@Capt_Tarmac 2 жыл бұрын

Stunning fight…just wonderful

@JudoEagle32 2 жыл бұрын

My stomach was hurting just watching the other pilot take all those negative g's before you shot him down the first time.

@TheCulturedMan34 2 жыл бұрын

Brings back the head-on collision in round 1

@someguy872 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful, amazing fight!

@AsbestosMuffins Жыл бұрын

one thing too is that both engines on the f86 and mig 15 being centrifugal compressors instead of axial, imposed the same sort of limitations on both airframes nessesitating a wide cylindrical body because they both had to fit very wide engines

@gctzx 2 жыл бұрын

A 50v50 F-86 vs MiG 15 battle would be nice 😀

@Fortnightenjoyer Жыл бұрын

id love to see you fly both planes in the videos

@madaxe606 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Growling, love the merch, but us MiG aficionados need something equivalent.

@conroypawgmail 2 жыл бұрын

2:42 - The cannon armament of a MiG-15 is two 23mm and one 37mm cannons.

@pradobombillo 2 жыл бұрын

growling keep up the good work it would be amazing if you flight f86 in a mission type video

@bananomet4052 2 жыл бұрын

I actually wanted to ask you if you could make a sabre vs mig video, or some other gunfighters. Nice

@ghoti221 2 жыл бұрын

Another case of how I wonder how the flight models are implemented compared to reality - I have this vague recollection that historically, MiG-15 pilots preferred higher altitudes while Sabres preferred the fight on the deck, opposite of what the feel is in DCS.

@Bullet4MyEnemy 2 жыл бұрын

MiG pilots didn’t have G-suits or hydraulic controls, so it kinda makes sense they’d favour altitude because it gives them more time to recover if they suffer control compression, and the Gs would be lower taking wider turns at lower relative airspeeds. Whereas the Sabres have a pretty significant advantage at low altitude in terms of terrain avoidance because of the roll rate and better resistance to control lock up etc. In DCS there’s no genuine fear if you mess up so it flips the other way.

@SuperFish40 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do a video with the Vought F-8 Crusader? My grandfather flew one in early Vietnam, and it would be cool to see you take on a Mig-17 with one

@pedroirigon507 2 жыл бұрын

The rolling scissors reminded me of the Top Gun scene

@chinchillaintheheat2641 2 жыл бұрын

I can't imagine the level of exhaustion and fear those pilots faced. These fights were marathons.

@thefolder69 2 жыл бұрын

worse for the MiG pilot since he had to contend with the non-hydraulic control surfaces lol

@chinchillaintheheat2641 2 жыл бұрын

@@thefolder69 and apparently no G-suit either! Brutal

@SnaketheJake87 2 жыл бұрын

That was a spicy merge

@johnt7155 2 жыл бұрын

Oh that poor beautiful F86! Great fight.

@rocksteel44 2 жыл бұрын

...YES!!!! I LOVE THE MIG-15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS FOR ANOTHER MIG-15 BATTLE...

@dadteaches 2 жыл бұрын

Back about 20 yrs ago Mig Ally was one of my favorite games

@misc3741 2 жыл бұрын

I Still Can't Get Over The Graphics Of DCS

@SkyroofNova72 2 жыл бұрын

5:22 getting Top Gun Maverick vibes from the scene between Rooster and Mav.

@luka4328 2 жыл бұрын

great video

@n.s.3410 11 ай бұрын

More please :)

@JessidGallardo 2 жыл бұрын

You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting. Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements.

@andreipendle1778 2 жыл бұрын

Reeled him in, then stomped him. Brutal. Beautiful.

@seanquigley3605 2 жыл бұрын

The USAF leading ace in Korea found that firing the 50s at 50,000 feet was very effective as wind resistance was so reduced the accuracy at long range was not effected. Something to try, think his name was McConnell