So the argument that the "cable industry" is not bullshit is that there are companies working in the cable industry. Ok.
@jimjay88283 жыл бұрын
Yeah that part got me to. Shark fins are believed in Chinese culture to have properties of boosting sexual potency and it is an industry....but that doesn't mean it works
@jeffmazur80373 жыл бұрын
I'm with you, Lars. While I am not ready to argue that cable quality does not matter, I DO call bullshit on offering up as evidence for this the fact that companies are selling a good deal of expensive cable to meet this perceived need. That's like saying that greasy hamburgers and fries are good to eat and offering up McDonald's, Burger King, and Wendy's as evidence. They do business because a LOT of people make bad decisions or are lazy, IMO, so why might not the fancy cable companies be serving a similar illusion? I, personally have never had the time to obsess over this sort of thing, and have found that my music sounds quite pleasing as is (using lamp cord for speakers, very pedestrian RCA cables to interconnect sources to amps, and running reasonably well-engineered inexpensive yet quality components - Yamaha Natural Sound receiver, pair of ADS L-810 ii speakers, Sonos Connect box.) But I'm up for easy, reasonably priced upgrades. In the case of this sort of thing, fancy cables, I do wonder and am eager to see what the OP (Danny, is that his name?) presents as valid science evidence. I had the opportunity to audition fancy cables years ago when I worked at a fairly high-end audio store (Mc', B&O, ADS, Bozak, Sonus, Denon) and really had to strain to even imagine that the connections were making a difference. Maybe the products (cables) just weren't up to snuff, I have no idea. But the experience had me pretty convinced that many so-called audiophiles might just be people who had nothing better to do than indulge a fetish or were lonely people looking for company and a common cause with other nerds of a certain flavor. I find that my listening needs are filled nicely with relatively modest equipment (at least compared to the most expensive stuff out there, which makes the price of my Volvo convertible look bargain-basement by comparison!) But my ears just might be crap, who knows?
@paulh77983 жыл бұрын
@@jimjay8828 No? So how come there are more Chinese people alive today than people of any other nationality?
@patthewoodboy3 жыл бұрын
@@paulh7798 :-)
@sylvaind90863 жыл бұрын
... and you are just quoting another speaker cable manufacturer's "sales pitch" as "data". So no proof there.
@Fleskepresk3 жыл бұрын
"I'm not trying to sell anything." He says one big roll of speaker cable in each hand. Coincidentally speaker cable that is linked right below. The more people believe this stuff, the more you sell. The same as the other companies you are mentioning. These videos has nothing to do with teaching or science. It's a commercial.
@300ZCorradoVR6Z3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Let's just say most of the stuff on his channel isn't exactly accurate. I have questioned him in the past and received a sidetracked answer.
@seanjoell3 жыл бұрын
Unless you have studied electronics and/or electrical systems, how do you guys know how to judge what he's saying?. You should do the test your selves before you judge someone's statement and do the research for your selves! He's (Danny) been doing this for a while now, so he probably knows a little something about the subject worth listening to.
@300ZCorradoVR6Z3 жыл бұрын
@@seanjoell I actually come from an electric engineering background!
@seanjoell3 жыл бұрын
@@300ZCorradoVR6Z thanks for the interest. If you think there's some other info out there you think I should check-out, please let me know.
@300ZCorradoVR6Z3 жыл бұрын
@@seanjoell There are a lot of good stuff out there. But it also depends on what you're looking to learn.
@christakimoto84253 жыл бұрын
Circular logic warning: there being a whole industry out there does not equal proof that RF interference impacts audible sound quality. Please show evidence and do not just quote others who say that it does.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
The whole industry already knows it does and has to address it in all types of electronics.
@paulh77983 жыл бұрын
Actually, the fact that an industry exists that has many thousands of well educated, economically successful adherents does prove it exists. Your lack of trying cables that reject RFI and EMI but still claiming EMI and RFI doesn't influence sound is the circular logic.
@cabasse_music2 жыл бұрын
@@paulh7798 lets see a video of someone accurately identifying which cable is doing a better job of that in a test. or just which speaker cable is being used for a particular track, with high accuracy. an actual scientific test.
@johnbaker2755 Жыл бұрын
A little late here but, yeah. Talk to any ham radio operator and ask about RFI coming in on cables. Quick simple fix there is coiling the cable around a iron core, similar to a toroid. Twisting wires is effective in certain areas; hence the braided filter/shielding mentioned in this video. And they (we) are not dealing with near the fidelity of a simple stereo system, let alone the level of fidelity that Danny here is dealing with. So, right-on Danny.
@kevintomb3 жыл бұрын
This is called "Creating a solution, to a problem that does not exist" Someone will always buy something, if they can be convinced it solves a problem, even if they have no problem. Marketing 101.
@infinite1der3 жыл бұрын
Yes, there are LOTS of industries "out there" to sell you anything you want to buy. It doesn't necessarily mean that what they have to sell has legitimate claims. Maybe go over what *IS* snake oil in the speaker cable market versus what isn't?
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
Should I buy that "Miracle Spring Water" that was tested to be tap water with bleach to cure all my ailments because there is an industry surrounding such elixir "cures"? Circular logic is the best logic, because it's circular.
@mysock351C3 жыл бұрын
The problem is that he is not knowledgeable in basic electrical theory (and Im being charitable here) and cannot actually provide information on what is snake oil to begin with.
@billd96673 жыл бұрын
I’m sure that he recommends his own products. /s
@GS-HIFI-AUDIO3 жыл бұрын
Speaker cable companies and retailers rely on subjective advertising. If they can mislead you believing they have done "all the research" thus saving you time from doing it yourself, they succeeded. This spurious presentation is a prime example. Notice product placement of his speaker cables and repetitious use of "whole industries dedicated". Maybe with 30 more iterations someone will take this at face value and reach for their wallet. SMH.
@sjhorton11843 жыл бұрын
I am not an Electrical Engineer or even an Electronics Engineer but did receive a pretty dang good education in the field of electronics from the US Navy some 30 yrs ago - when we still did component level troubleshooting and I would not spend money on "special" HDMI cables. On the other hand, I did do a listening test using a Bel Canto DAC-1 and using the same DVD player, I could actually hear a difference between the TOSLINK and the coax digital inputs. I know that 1's and 0's are just 1's and 0's - but I also heard a difference and no only did I hear it, but I called over a friend to see if he could as well, and I swapped the inputs without him knowing which was which and he also heard a difference. I know that those who haven't ever tried something like this will argue but a man with an experience will never be at a disadvantage to a man who only has a theory.
@gomibako25173 жыл бұрын
1. The fact that a company sells a product doesn't show that it works. 2. Do a null test. 3. Do an ABX test.
@iowaudioreviews3 жыл бұрын
Amir from AudioScienceReview (highly educated) tested a $2500 set of Audioquest cables that did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and had no provided measurements from the manufacturer just pretentious marketing, total waste of money. Same with The Audioquest Jitterbug, does nothing when tested seven ways from Sunday. I've always read home audio speaker cables really don't need shielding unless maybe its long runs or passing over lots of electrical equipment... may have to do some testing of my own. I have 2 family members that are also electrical engineers, I'll have to see what they say about all this.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
They do no real science over there. They are just a propaganda machine for their belief system. They never answer the question do cables make an audible difference as they never listen to anything.
@LeonFleisherFan3 жыл бұрын
You'll recognize a real scientist based on their curiosity. People who listen and have the inquisitive mind to try and figure out why there is a difference, even if that implies they need to come up with new/additional measurement methods, build measuring equipment for the purpose etc., those are scientists. People with zero curiosity whose standard reply to anything whatsoever is "Can't be" are not only not scientists, they're completely irrational in their attempts to prove something can't be. I guess that's why the term flat-earthers is appropriate for people who will NOT go out of their way to learn something new, but claim they already know everything.
@LeonFleisherFan3 жыл бұрын
Historically speaking, there has always been a point in time at which we didn't know what we know now. I'm old enough to remember the time before we knew about jitter in digital audio, or reflections in digital cables due to incorrect terminations (RCA vs BNC for S/PDIF), to give one example. All the flat-earthers did was claim "bits are bits". Some of those refer to themselves as scientists, and presumably, some of them are still in business. Makes one wonder what their excuse might be. I'd never hire an engineer with this type of mindset.
@michaelzoppo5343 жыл бұрын
This is a hobby, so everyone should enjoy it their own way. Respect to all sides. But in *my* view, any publication that ranks audio equipment based on how it performs in a test routine designed by the author is suspect, especially when the author does her test routine first, studies the results, and only then does a listening test. Lots of room for confirmation bias there. And it also requires lots and lots of faith that the author's test routine tests for the right thing(s).
@LeonFleisherFan3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelzoppo534 Unless they do blind or double blind tests, there is going to be expectation bias no matter what. I'm a science-minded person myself, and do recognize there are problems involved (such as in recommending gear based upon personal experience, or for that matter measurements). When it comes to critics and their opinions, one is better off knowing their bias rather than the so-called objectivism of panels. As to measurements, they're a means to an end, and as such, I don't have a problem reading someone's personal impressions as well as studying technical analysis. In reality, one will want to buy a product that is well-engineered AND sounds great, there's no contradiction there. Actually, that's precisely the problem we're faced with here: people who insist that one replaces (versus complements) the other.
@bobe29333 жыл бұрын
Amir @ Audio Science Research = BRINGING THE HEAT
@Johnny-Too-Bad3 жыл бұрын
Cables do matter, don't buy crap. I bought a pair of used 8 foot long Kimber Kables 8TC on eBay. I was replacing a pair of 8 foot long Monolith by Monoprice speaker cables 12 gauge and PE coating. They were also good. I couldn't tell the difference but the Kimber Kables are blinggier so I'm happy. The moral of the story is, don't use crap you'll be okay. A lot of good quality speaker cable will work just as well as the more expensive stuff. Sounding different does not mean sounding better. If a cable is tuned to sound a certain way, then you're buying that tuning, not a "better" cable.
@darkpatches2 жыл бұрын
The human body acts as an RF antenna. The only way to make sure it doesn't interfere with your audio equipment (ears) is to cover yourself with a space blanket and to twist your legs and arms (counter-rotating if you're flexible enough).
@SanderVermeer3 жыл бұрын
For f sake, why don't you actually show the noise that's being picked up by the speaker from "bad" cables. Measure the output of the speaker itself and compare that using different cables. Is that so hard? That would debunk ANY argument.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
Because it doesn't change the speaker output. At least not in measuring amplitude. It doesn't work that way. It's like this. If you are talking to someone in a crowded cafeteria, the noise levels of other people talking doesn't change the volume level of your voice.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake No, speakers can measure the same in every way and still sound very different. We proved that a long time ago. Check out this one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/otOjgKp6sae9pp8.html
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
Oh, and don't miss the sound clips. Most people can even hear the differences in a compressed KZfaq file.
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 I don't understand how comparing speakers that are different is justification for your beliefs. The frequency response from these clips has been extracted and analyzed before for comparison. They sound slightly different because they are slightly different. But you knew that already. Funnier then that, you guys accidently labeled A & B incorrectly in one of the examples! Why didn't anyone notice?? You continue to mislead people. Evidence: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/capacitor-upgrade-in-crossover-you-cant-handle-the-truth-part-3.12555/
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
@@LouGuido Ha, ha, ha, how funny. I did not know that their panties were in such a wad over there that they would go to such great lengths to disprove anything that conflicts with their beliefs. And they think that a huge difference in clarity, detail, imaging, spaciousness, and sound stage layering is all because of a super slight difference in a measured amplitude from a uploaded KZfaq file. That is super funny, but I still feel bad for them that they are that lost. Wow! The only people being mislead are the people that listen to that dribble on that site. That is a total disinformation forum.
@tonep31683 жыл бұрын
This is a hard watch... And yes, the Earth is very, very round.
@glmaughan3 жыл бұрын
Actually it's a spherical shape with a slight bulge along the equator. But definitely not flat or square. I've been building audio and power cables for years and from what I know, Danny's design for speaker cable will perform as one of the best bangs for the buck out there
@9canadianboy3 жыл бұрын
@@glmaughan Maybe we should get globes made in the actual shape. Ha Ha
@Old_Sailor853 жыл бұрын
@@glmaughan It's an ovoid.
@Yiannis21123 жыл бұрын
@@glmaughan It cant have a bulge and called spherical. That's called elliptical.
@zerooneonetwothree18723 жыл бұрын
@@glmaughan Good boy
@CirclesandSounds3 жыл бұрын
It remains comical to me that you call people who disagree with you flat-earthers as an insult, claiming that they demand proof. In truth, flat-earthers don’t want scientific proof, only to further prove their own feedback loop and strengthen their belief system. I don’t disagree with you fundamentally, just the way that you treat this conversation, also resorting to calling pseudoscience “science”, constantly referring to human hearing and testimonials among solid arguments. At the end of the day, it’s up to each person to decide. I realize that you’re trying to educate, and I appreciate that. What I don’t like is the pointing of fingers and demeaning some folks, who, while they may not be doing the most practical tests, still have the right to argue their point and to not be considered “less than” any given status or title, simply due to dissonance between your different operating methodologies. 🙃
@CirclesandSounds3 жыл бұрын
@Lee Roy Jones I honestly can’t tell from your angry incoherency what you’re trying to say. The scientific method in its basic form is observation, formulation of a question or questions, a hypothesis, testing/experimentation and conclusion. Anyone can perform tests using the scientific method with their own backgrounds and biases, tools, insights, and - yes - ignorance. Nothing is truly concrete, and with something as subjective as tastes in audio, results for each individual differ wildly. Being in one “camp” or another quite literally denotes primitive thinking. We can all learn from one another. Thusly, my only real criticism of Danny’s approach was his use of strong and aggressive language toward certain “camps”. A lot of people form cult thinking. Most human circles form cults; it’s really a matter of wether or not it is a constructive or destructive cult. I just don’t find aggressive language in a presentation to be very helpful. Sort of like how you attacked me for some reason. We don’t know each other, I have no idea what your story is, and you couldn’t care less about mine. So why the anger? A waste of energy. Cables matter. Everything matters. To whom and how much is an extremely complex and largely subjective matter. The synergy of a system is unique to every single system on the planet. Peace
@ezra8s3 жыл бұрын
@@CirclesandSounds let me just clap you. I wish I could speak as clearly as you do. Hat off to you.
@CirclesandSounds3 жыл бұрын
@@ezra8s Well, thank you! 😊
@jameshobbs14603 жыл бұрын
Interesting.. He repeats himself over and over stating that he is "not trying to sell you anything".. yet you re state his opinion by saying "its up to each person to decide.".. Duh.. He just said that. As far as his language or words he uses.. And? So what its the way he speaks or his demeanor.. aren't you being condescending? and hypocritical as well.. I'm just saying.. don't say you don't like how someone talks and then talk shit about it.. This is America.. you can say or think what ever you want and do it vocaly. You as well.. I happily acknowledge that.. But Hypocrisy is Hypocrisy.. SFMF
@jameshobbs14603 жыл бұрын
@Lee Roy Jones Put your tin hat on.. js
@kniferideaudio3 жыл бұрын
If you plug a unterminated speaker wire directly into a Mic Preamp you might see a few dB of noise above the absolute floor from RF/Emf. That's in a Mic Pre, that is sensitive to millivolts. Speaker level is so much higher than that, that the same RF/Emf will literally be in the values of 100,00ths of the signal level being pushed from an amplifier. You are more likely to pick up RF/Emf from less than optimal grounding on the chassis of the amplifier than the speaker cables. The Speaker Cables are the VERY LEAST sensitive component of an audio signal chain. It's the last place I would spend extra money. Just my Opinion, do whatever makes you happy.
@bartcraig43102 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree with everything you said. First time I saw this guy he did a bunch of upgrades to different pairs of bookshelve speakers and I was impressed by his methods and testing. Every other video I have seen is just him pushing garbage like this, for sales I guess.
@allansh8282 жыл бұрын
@Kniferide Audio People who didn't return the cables, did hear significant improvement to justifiy the cost. Why would you assume people don't have ears and like to waste money? All the legit cable companies accept returns.
@kniferideaudio2 жыл бұрын
@@allansh828 Placebo is a hell of a drug, dude
@fwabble2 жыл бұрын
@@allansh828 LOLOL ..... Victim, you are.
@orangejjay2 жыл бұрын
@@allansh828 P L A C E B O
@russellperry36053 жыл бұрын
It would be better to do a blind A/B test with Danny to see if he can hear the differences. I find it odd that he calls people that use science to disprove him flat earthers when it’s he rejecting science.
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
It is curious why people like Danny don't just post a video of themselves completing a blind listening test and prove that they statistically can hear a difference. It would go a whole lot further in "educating" the rest of us. He would be able to hawk his speaker wire kits even more! Seems like such a no brainer move based on what he's preaching to all of us. Wonder why he doesn't do it?? 😜
@MrDannydjmix23 жыл бұрын
did u actually try any science yourself? or is just your bias against expensive and quality cables talking
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDannydjmix2 Are you confused? What "science" are you seeing here? Lol
@MrDannydjmix23 жыл бұрын
@@LouGuido ur comment had no science in it lol go try for urself first, well but first get a good system u can hear it on
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDannydjmix2 the good system response is how I know it's impossible to reason with you. If a difference exists and is audible you will hear it in a normal audio system as well. It may be a bit louder or softer, but it shouldn't be gone! If it's on the frequency response it's in the sound. How do you think speakers work? Please watch this video in its entirety and really try to understand it and then we can continue this back and forth: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kN-Hp5acprSlY4U.html
@SnoopKatt3 жыл бұрын
If noise is being picked up, it should show up on a spectrum analyzer between 20 Hz and 20 KHz. That's a very simple test... why do none of the sites you link to use this test? A good spectrum analyzer is much more sensitive than our ability to hear. Can't help but feel like this is dodged a lot. It would be nice if you jumped in with technical details. I think everyone is tired of "well I'm gonna skip the technical mumbo jumbo and talk about it like this".
@seanjoell3 жыл бұрын
A "spectrum analyzer" is designed to pick up info coming out of or into RCA or XLR out/inputs, it won't show noise on your cable line in great detail, for that you will need an oscilloscope or voltmeter or some other device designed to pick-up that kind of signal. These signals are often very low and kind of like "white-noise" before they are amplified to the point where we're able to hear them on speakers.
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
The obvious and correct answer is that showing that data actually disproves the claim being made here. So it isn't shown and sciencey words are thrown around instead.
@SnoopKatt3 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake I don't think Danny is claiming it can't be quantified, but he claims his FM antenna test is all the needed proof, which is almost as bad since it's a test measuring the wrong thing... exactly what he's telling us to watch out for!
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake I'd even be willing to go with shown to exist at all. Even if it's not understood. For some odd reason though Danny doesn't think controlled listening can show that differences exist. When you let that sink in you have to wonder how you can prove anything to him. Measurements apparently can't prove anything and controlled listening also can't prove anything. What is the arbiter? His KZfaq videos?? He's definitely the first guy I've seen go all in on this sort of logic path in KZfaq "audiophile" videos.
@tnksknt3 жыл бұрын
I'm one of those people who has a EE degree. If the tests you were part of were fair and blind, then I suppose that's some data. You may have a point that some amplifiers are more sensitive than others. But here's what I don't understand. You can very easily listen to an emply signal on a system. That's essentially your noise floor, right? I feel like if you have an setup sensitive to present EMI/RFI then that simple test would prove that out. You could even ramp up the gain to listen to the noise floor. If it's nothing audible, I feel like any of these effects are moot for that system.
@tnksknt3 жыл бұрын
Also, I found the casual insinuation that digital signals are fragile to EMI/RFI noise disingenuous. Bits do flip. This is known. But it's not nearly as common as you insinuate. And for this test, you really don't need to listen to anything. Just stream a giant file across UBS and do a hash check on the source and the copy. The percentage of loss can be easily quantified. If it's nothing, or a handful of bits (if there is no error correction when streaming over USB), it simply can not be something worth caring about.
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
Preach!
@tnksknt3 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake yeah, I mean, I think bad arguments are really made by people on both sides. It's just not a dialog of much substance. I keep on watching these cable/interconnect videos hoping someone actually tries to address the things I brought up in my response. But instead they just fall back to the same arguments. Not sure how much the incentive to monetize their channels with click bait affects this lack of dialog.
@venkatagirikotte40193 жыл бұрын
Amir at Audio Science Research posted a measurement response refuting this video. This might be interesting.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
I thought it was great. He just confirmed what I was showing. He is still drawing a conclusion (no audible effect) based on his beliefs (no science). But hey, at least he's watching and if he sticks around he might learn something.
@venkatagirikotte40193 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 What are your thoughts on testing your premise about cables by doing a double blind test?
@jaytorr67013 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 so what is the science that high frequency RF are audible? The same science the earth is flat I guess... Sorry but you are coming across terribly...
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
@@venkatagirikotte4019 I cover double blind testing in episode 4. Stay tuned.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
I think some of you guys are the guys that didn't listen in school and now you have trouble listening to music.
@cbts001a43 жыл бұрын
the question is, how do these Industries develop the cables, if not with science, with what else ? because if it was developed with science it must be a technical way to proof it
@PSA783 жыл бұрын
Will cables make a difference, yes, in the extreme cases (lamp cord vs actual speaker cables). But building an argument on anecdotal evidence and calling those who wants relevant empirical evidence for flat earthers... Well, I guess science isn't for everyone.
@hypotheticallywhatiskyle2 жыл бұрын
Depends, almost all lamps with have some meaty copper wire....
@allansh8282 жыл бұрын
@PS A That's not the case. Cables make just as much difference as streamers, DACs and AMPs.
@PSA782 жыл бұрын
@@allansh828 What's the scientific evidence behind that, any published peer reviewed articles to download? I know of articles going into detail about the the scientific aspects, but I'm open for any disputing data.
@redstang51503 жыл бұрын
These things are "well known in the industry". Yes, the audiophile cable industry, the only industry where this "science" applies.
@fgroen12253 жыл бұрын
If you don’t look any further... signal transmission is a big issue in a lot of industries. And also an issue in audio. But if you don’t want to look into it that’s fine. But just for the heck of it: try a copper loudspeaker cable that is oxidized (gone all green). Sure as hell the term “OFC” won’t apply. Try to enjoy the music with that one. In other words: metallurgy makes a difference, and geometry as argued here in this video makes a difference.
@cbts001a43 жыл бұрын
@@fgroen1225 only for connection and resistor issues. No issues in transparence or bigger stage cable fantasies
@fgroen12253 жыл бұрын
@@cbts001a4 try it and be amazed.
@mysock351C3 жыл бұрын
1:00 You really need to learn some electrical theory. Its obvious that you have little understanding of whats actually going on. Any two, unterminated wires will act as a conventional dipole antenna, and thats what you hooked up there. However, with two-conductor speaker cable, because the two wires are uniformly spaced along its length, it acts as a transmission line with ~100-200Ω of RF impedance. Transmission lines are good for conveying RF energy to a point. As the reciprocal is also true, they are good for keeping RF energy _out_ as well once they are terminated at both ends. I can tell you from experience that once you hook the amplifier and speakers up, there is dead silence. The only thing you see is the noise floor of the amplifier. Unhook either end, and it goes back to being a radio receiver. In a pinch, people have even tried to used speaker wire to hook up RF antennas: forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/speaker-wire-feed.120923/ Edit: With the twisted wires, they will be self-shielding to an extent even when not terminated. However, its not necessary for twisted wire to be used to keep noise out, and it is not indicative of there being any inherent issue with conventional (zip cord style) speaker wire. The low impedance at both the amplifier and speakers will swallow up whatever does make it in, and it wont make it into the audio. Only in extreme cases (like putting a cellphone on top of the amp) will you start to pick up interference in a properly set up (and designed) system. And, to be perfectly honest, I think we both know your lying because you have a clear incentive to do so.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
You are mistaken that the load of the amp and speaker will filter it all out. The demodulation of that signal effects the audio signal and what we hear. And, I never lie.
@welderfixer3 жыл бұрын
Won't the 2 to 16 ohm speaker load kill any "noise" on the cable that is not generated by the amplifier? Seems to me that it would take a ton of watts of power to create speaker noise without an amp. Now, will the amp input be affected by RF/EMF noise hitting the interconnect cables and more likely cause audio issues?
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
@@welderfixer Apparently the load does not kill all of the noise. It's still there.
@welderfixer3 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 Thank you Mr. Richie. I am luckily only a zip cord budget guy and cannot get into the $ and sense debate, but I do like learning about anything I can. I hope to someday own and assemble one or more of your speaker kits. Take care and I hope it warms up for you folks soon. We have a couple months to go yet up north.
@mysock351C3 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 um, I live right next to an AM broadcast station, as I said in another comment here, so my stuff is bathed in RF 24x7. Properly terminated they almost always will. Its easy to check for. With the each of the inputs shorted with a 10 ohm resistor (for protection of the amp), use a proper scope probe on the speaker or amp terminals with everything hooked up as normal. DONT use meter leads! Ground the probe to the common terminal. The amplifier should have essentially no output, and maybe 10 to 15 mV of DC offset. I've done this measurement ad nauseum building amps and at worst maybe some trace of AM modulation.
@scarmenl3 жыл бұрын
I agree that well-made cables make a difference. I made my own RCAs years ago and we could hear the difference as I completed each pair. Where I draw the line is at these jewelry cables that cost tens of thousands of dollars. Sorry but audible improvement is one thing, fashion is another!
@charlesferguson66783 жыл бұрын
Can you name one of those companies?
@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa30933 жыл бұрын
I'm skeptical of cable containing additional circuitry.
@charlesferguson66783 жыл бұрын
@@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa3093 I would say that depends of the company making it. Shunyata, AudioQuest, and Kimber all have well proven, honest track records. Plus dozens and dozens of positive reviews in Stereophile,The Absolute Sound, and elsewhere.
@charlesferguson66783 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake Got any evidence to support your AudioQuest accusation?
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
@@charlesferguson6678 so having an equalizer hidden in your demonstration is trustworthy? Lol
@edgar96513 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for that double blind test...
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
Double blind test are covered in episode 4.
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 I assume "covered" means you're going to rant about why you don't believe in controls? Please prove me wrong, lol.
@ggroch3 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 Great, I am really looking forward to that one, especially if it includes a statistically valid double blind test.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
@@ggroch You guys kill me. You guys don't even understand what "double blind" means and how it is not even possible nor meaningful in any way. Stay tuned.
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 In this cable nonsense, double blind means that the person being tested and the person administering the test don't know which cable is which in the experiment. It's purpose is to prevent any bias from the person administering the test from influencing the results. It has been demonstrated to exist and has famously caused there to be false conclusions from single blind testing in the past. It's not a difficult concept to wrap your brain around. You really believe you can't setup a test where a third party labels the cables alphabetically, wraps them all in a similar outer covering that makes them indistinguishable from one another, and has the same terminations so that the person switching them doesn't know and can't tell which is which? Something like that's "impossible" to you? Please Danny, sounds like more excuses. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer-expectancy_effect
@jaytorr67013 жыл бұрын
Amir from Audio Science Review just did a video over this. Busted, sorry mate. You can still sell your cable kits to the ignorant, but try to be more modest about it saying anyone who does not agree with you has the scientific thought of a flat earther.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
Actually he only confirmed exactly what I was illustrating as well. And he did nothing to prove inaudibility. He did nothing to prove he his theory. He formed an untested hypothesis.
@jaytorr67013 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 the onus is on you to prove that frequencies of 100 MHz that was left in what he showed are audible. Science has answered that. What is your evidence. Funny how you behave be EXACTLY like the the flat earthers... Having a belief without any proof...
@jaytorr67013 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake you are right. I guess round-earther Danny and his clients have some special kind of hearing than all of us flat earthers that cannot hear picovolt noise
@jaytorr67013 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake since WiFi is RF I feel sorry for them, having to listen to their WiFi signal in their house and outside all day long. Maybe a tin foil hat can help.
@djmadrox75393 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 Well, if you watched closely, he says it is pretty unlikely if not impossible for us, humans; to hear it. His science cannot confirm your claims, far from it actually. So, where are your scientist?
@bobpachner75283 жыл бұрын
The beauty of this hobby is that you can make your own decision about cables. No matter what anybody says, electrical engineer or enthusiast, try the subject cables in your own system. If you like what they do, keep them. If not, return them. Seems much simpler than these never ending circular arguments.
@FOH36633 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake Like Hai Karate cologne getting you laid? Being a Marlboro Man makes you more appealing? Wearing Air Jordans makes you jump higher? Or my all time fave (albeit quite obscure), Thrush side pipes ... if I simply put Thrush side pipes on my Vette, I'll get more action than I'll know what to do with. I know, I know; "ok boomer" Thanks (btw; replace 𝘸𝘢𝘴𝘵𝘦 with 𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘥, it's more palatable...)
@stevefick39193 жыл бұрын
LOL! I kept yelling, "Re-bar, re-bar" at the screen while you were doing that vid. When it comes to "senior moments", I'm the KING! And I'm only 60!
@glennarcher9863 жыл бұрын
What I did is put all my cables (HDMI, RCA, power cords and speaker wire) in the freezer for 24 hours. Than I put them in my Traeger Ironwood smoker and smoked them on low at 165 degrees for 10 hours on the super smoke setting. A combination of Hickory and Mesquite pellets were used. I’m telling you, that by the end of the 10 hours, I was so hungry that I ate all the cables! I wasn’t prepared for what happed next. When I farted and burped both seemed to resonate and project more and had a midrange that sounded warm and buttery. The smoked HDMI cable made my eyes have a pixel count so high, I could see all the way to Jupiter without the use of a telescope! No more carrots for me! What do you know! Cables do make a difference! 🤣 This comment is for entertainment purposes only and is purely satirical, highly sarcastic!
@johndavidson64333 жыл бұрын
All amps have negative feedback. Some use global, some local to the amplification stage. An amp without feedback is an oscillator. Speakers cable are connect to low impedance loads from even lower impedance amplifiers. You would need miles of cable to pickup noise. The low impedance load and output of the amp will act as a drain to this noise you are so concerned with.
@ronniecramer12522 жыл бұрын
My Decware single ended triode tube amp. specifically states NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK in the user manual.
@johndavidson64332 жыл бұрын
@@ronniecramer1252 that is called marketing!
@iansalmond7263 жыл бұрын
Just because there is an industry doesnt provide any proof. Guess what else had an industry....snake oil. Now I'm trying to keep my mind open. I'm looking forward to the double blind testing. Although I'm skeptical on this subject I do enjoy your work. So thank-you. Have a good one.
@milkman1000013 жыл бұрын
so was i until i installed the cable used in this video.and what a difference compared to by van Damme speaker cable i had fitted at the time.. it sounds much more clearer now.
@kaufmanat13 жыл бұрын
Snake oil wasn't an industry. Health care is an industry. Snake masquerades as a health care product. It did not make for an industry. That's a false equivalency The existence of an entire industry does indeed indicate a desire or need by consumers. Some priducts might be snake oil, certainly. But let's not be to cavalier with the word industry here.
@iansalmond7263 жыл бұрын
@@kaufmanat1 I was referring to industry in its most basic term. The word industry can be used to describe a department or branch of a specific industry. Ill be more clear. Audio cables are an industry. Overly expensive cables is a subsect of that industry. Just like snake oil was a subsect of the medicine industry. Miracle cure...Miracle cables. I have been involved in designing more than one amplifier. The problem with cables is always going to come back to " the whole audio chain" from the source to the speaker drivers. Like I said. Ill keep my mind open. But just because there is demand for a product does not mean said product does what it claims to do.
@smjerbetsk3 жыл бұрын
@@iansalmond726 Guys like you crack me up. Tho i serioussly doubt your in possession of a decent sound system with the way your describing things, if you are and your having this attitude, the funny part is you might have a good/expensive system that potentially have a really degraded sound, and you have no clue what your missing out on. So lets just leave all you "snake oil" guys be and enjoy our systems with great cables with clear crisp highs and tight juicy bass while you sit there talking about snake oil lol
@iansalmond7263 жыл бұрын
@@smjerbetsk Wow...talk about jumping to conclusions. I've been in the audio industry for over 20 years. I've personally listened to hundreds of system. I've demoed systems costing 7 figures. I've worked with people at a major player in the cable industry (who are located in Utah). I've had custom amplifiers designed for a client (company located in the Netherlands) and had discussions with their engineers. We even have an electrical engineer on staff. I've designed and installed systems for clients that had no budget. I've also done modest systems that sounded better than systems costing significantly more. I've probably forgotten more on this subject than most people know. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical. This is a tough subject. There are so many variables. from room, to source equipment, to the very source (music itself). We've run countless studies on where people should spend there money. I can tell you right now. We don't have a degraded system. Could it be better? Sure, but what is better? Should you spend your money on cables or a better set of speakers? I've listened to expensive cables in our audio chain. And almost all who have heard it with/without those cables didn't or were not sure they could hear a difference. Not to mention if it was even an upgrade. Like I said I'm waiting for his info. I know enough to know that he has a vast amount of knowledge as well. I'd like to know why he has the opinion he does. Maybe I'm wrong. That being said, some of the biggest and most respected people in the audio world also agree with me. I feel comfortable with my position.
@peteleoni96652 жыл бұрын
"There is an entire industry" Yes and an entire way of life built upon ignorance. It's doing well these days.
@toecutterjenkins3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why people have to argue, if you don't believe don't buy cables, use home depot speaker wire.
@ninjareynolds3 жыл бұрын
Even if one is going to use side by side stranded conductor wire for speaker cable instead of twisted, woven, or braided geometry because it is cheaper I would suggest not using home depot cable because it is copper clad aluminum. Aluminum is not a good conductor and in longer runs will obviously change the response of what the speaker was designed to sound like. Furthermore, at high current levels for extended periods it will act like a heat filament. That is why you would never want to use copper clad aluminum ethernet cable if you're using it in a power over ethernet application.
@IliyaOsnovikov3 жыл бұрын
I don't believe cables could cost more than electronics that drives speakers via those cables.
@toecutterjenkins3 жыл бұрын
@@IliyaOsnovikov I get that alot of us spend hundreds not thousands on speakers and if you do spend 5k on speakers you are probably willing to spend a few hundred more on cables getting every bit of performance from them.
@IliyaOsnovikov3 жыл бұрын
@@toecutterjenkins Do you have any idea how expensive are those cables that Danny has promoted? As I recall, some of those MIT speaker cables are sold for $10000-15000.
@toecutterjenkins3 жыл бұрын
@@IliyaOsnovikov the cables he sells are 9 dollars a foot for at the lower end. You have to assemble them yourself. Again use what you like no one is forcing you to buy wire. I agree. There is no way any wire can justify a 10k-15k price tag, nor a speaker justify a 500k price. These are toys for the wealthy.
@kevinkrych42333 жыл бұрын
No hate, honest question. What role do you think double blind testing should have? Do you think it could/should show a statistically significant effect?
@mfr583 жыл бұрын
I found enormous amounts of switching noise radiating from LED light tape, the drivers being housed in a metal, grounded box....also I've found some LED lamps that make digital radios cut out when the light is switched on. It's clear that high frequencies can run around analogue and digital audio circuits and create inter-modulation and other effects and now that we have so many switching power supplies and microwave coms, the issues are bigger than ever before.
@RobWhittlestone3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. Those are good examples. I have ferrite cores around all cables to LED lights and dimmed LED lights for exactly that reason - I want to reduce the impurities they inject back into the mains power circuits. And ferrite cores on equipment power cables to reduce mains-borne RFI as much as practicable. Also shielded mains cables to metal-cased power outlet bars. RFI is not our friend!
@duncanmcneill70883 жыл бұрын
@@RobWhittlestone - agreed, I think that if RF induced in loudspeaker cable is having an impact on the output of an amplifier then you need to look at the way the grounding has been done inside that amplifier and all the way back to a solid earth point. I don’t believe in a “flat earth”, I believe in a “GOOD earth”.
@christopherward50653 жыл бұрын
The negative feedback path of a amplifier does not discriminate between returning signal and RF. The RF enters the feedback loop and the amplifier applies “corrections” to eliminate distortion however, since RF was not in the original signal, RF creates spurious feedback corrections that add distortion to the amplifier’s output. If you can reject or filter out the RF, the amplifier loses the random distorting input from RF noise in its environment.
@gasperbregar6303 жыл бұрын
One part of me is screaming "snakeoil!!BS!!" and the other part of me is sitting here and wondering how I could try to prove myself cables matter. In my opinion so far they matter in regards to aesthetics and impedance but everythig else has to prove to my ears
@djmadrox75393 жыл бұрын
With different core materials, you change the sound of the speaker. 100% silver for example, gives less bass and some say more detailed highs. The bass i have witnessed with my ears, the highs not so sure. But then i ask myself, do i have the right speakers/amp combination? Why do i need hundreds or thousands of dollars to "correct my setup? For example, a friend of mine bought B&W speakers, looks great and sounds very good. Only a a little tame in the low freq. He bought a Linn Class D(plus?) amp, again not so bold in the lows and on top of that silver wiring. You can imagine what happens; 1+1+1 = -3Dba (or more) for the low freq. Told him that as gently as i could, week later he shows me new cables (silver/copper) combo and a carpet under the table. Bass was back! Now he thinks a better powercord will make things better...0_o
@smjerbetsk3 жыл бұрын
If all your components is of high quality, and you have a bad speaker wire or a bad rca, changing them to a good cable gives a clear and very noticable upgrade in sound quality.
@fugazi843 жыл бұрын
There'is only one way to finish this discussion. You have gears to mesures speakers. So you take mesurements for the same speakers, same gears, but with different cable.
@limitnl3 жыл бұрын
Jup Danny. Do it. Show us
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
It won't show a difference, so he will never show it to you.
@tjschultz12693 жыл бұрын
This goes along with the video you made about crossovers and the tiny gauge wire manufactures use inside a speaker. I emailed you about my RTi150's and I think I am going to rebuild the crossovers myself. Your videos are so informative and helpful. Thank you .
@ggroch3 жыл бұрын
While you are at it, have you seen how tiny the wires are inside a speaker's voice coil? Perhaps rebuild those too. (kidding)
@chrisjack93183 жыл бұрын
in the 70s police radio came over my stereo when they were about to come to my door, hide the bong,all good.thanks to cheap gear.
@darrengee24123 жыл бұрын
Having formerly worked for 20 years in design and installation of large format disco and stadium sound systems, my experience with speaker cables for best results was low impedance and short as possible. We employed heavy gauge (2.5mm to 4mm copper ) 2 core flex for low power losses which was (by co incidence) twisted in construction. We found that any noise that was introduced into the systems was to be found in the signal processors before the power amplifiers, such as the mixers, active crossovers and other processors. Using high quality signal cable (Belden 8761) and connectors in the signal path before the power amps was essential to achieving super low noise floors and high clarity. I might add that we were very particular about having fully dedicated AC power circuits provided for all of the audio system elements and once again heavy gauge power cables.. As for components in passive crossover networks , I totally agree with using high quality metalized Poly caps, air core inductors and quality resistors, they are key to providing proper response from quality drivers. So while not totally convinced on the braided speaker cables virtues I am open to the possibility
@kongwee19782 жыл бұрын
I use Belden too, the spec are there.
@bobaloo20123 жыл бұрын
Snake oil salesmen seem to be getting scared, people are out there telling the truth about their scams these days.
@mattsnook17233 жыл бұрын
Cables definitely make a difference... But it's not necessarily a clear science either. The same cables will sound different with different electronics. The easiest proof of the differences cables make in my opinion is car audio. I do quite a bit of car audio work and can tell you without a doubt that what you may consider "high end" in home audio will not make the cut in a car audio install. Car audio environments are incredibly noisy with bad cables. I'm looking at you AudioQuest!
@RobWhittlestone3 жыл бұрын
Good video, Danny. And all true. I have older but good system components and after we moved to our new house I was very disappointed with the sound. Initially I was suspecting the aging components, but decided to spend some free time tweaking the system. I noticed that only a few feet from the electronics (CD, preamp & power amp, tuner) I have a DECT cordless phone, and two wifi routers. Then it struck me: three RF transmitters! I re-wired the supply to my power block with 16 feet of Belden *shielded* mains cable and could finally plug it into the *shielded mains circuit* I had put in when the house was built. Transformation #1! Sound more dynamic, better bass, more space round instruments, more energy in the highs. I have good power cords (Kimber) but they needed some help in this harsh environment: I forgot that I used to have ferrite cores around them at the point of entry into the equipment. Replaced: another improvement of the same kind. And then I added an iFi Purifier to help with a clean earth and spike suppression. This is less noticeable but it certainly doesn't hurt. The other two improvements had to do with *physical isolation* : all electronics now on sorbothane or silicone rubber damping feet: more neutrality; then the loudspeakers are now on silicone damping feet: this is major transformation #2 : no more excitation of my CONCRETE floor (yes, really) MUCH freer mid and highs and deeper bass. Now my system sings! It never sounded so good in the 34 years I have had the amplifier, 20 years the speakers and ~4-5 years the CD player. Primare CD32-->Audioquest Lapis-->Exposure XII (+Exposure XI PSU)--->Audioquest Lapis--->Exposure VIIS-->Kimber 'Crystal 24' (2x 12TC)-->KEF Reference Three Fours. I should maybe now reevaluate the two pairs of Kimber KCAG that other equipment is using. They were originally swapped out because they were not revealing enough, bass light and highs too rolled off. I hope your viewers can relate to my experience. Now I learned (after 50 years in the hobby!) power must be very clean and abundant (no restriction/constriction) and equipment MUST be physically isolated. FYI Max Townshend does a great video on this topic. All the best, Rob in Switzerland
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
@haycrossaudio54743 жыл бұрын
Love your video Danny. I repair and refurbish speakers here in the UK but not to the level you do 🙂. That word you were struggling with is pronounced 'Disco tech'. Keep up the good work. We all learn a great deal for your insights. Cheers. Matt
@DaftBunny3 жыл бұрын
If there's audible noise being added to the signal, since cables can act as antenna's, wouldn't the simplest test just be to hook up your system and listen to it whilst not sending a signal? I mean, if you're not sending a signal, there should still be a signal from the cable acting as an antenna according to your explanation, or am I getting that wrong?
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
That would be incorrect. You have to demodulate that signal in order to hear it. And in some cases that is what happens and radio stations are actually heard through the system. The problem is that the demodulated signal affects the audio signal that we do hear.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake Yet, contributors here and myself have heard demodulated radio stations play through systems plane as day. And the effects are clearly audible. You guys are grasping for strays to hold onto beliefs that cables don't matter.
@duncanmcneill70883 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 - audible demodulated radio interference would generally come from input stages where it gets significantly amplified. RF injected into the output stage of an amplifier does not get amplified - it gets shunted to earth through the (low) output impedance of said amplifier. The only way (?) I could see for induced RF at the output to be amplified is if it makes its way through the ground plane to the input stage - in which case the amplifier designer (or customer) has messed up with the earthing.
@ezra8s3 жыл бұрын
"There is a whole industry behind this, trust me, it is real"
@anthonyjriz33 жыл бұрын
exactly 😂😂😂😂😂
@humanitech3 жыл бұрын
It is strange that people in the radio, music recording and media production industries don't use basic bell wire and or cheap interconnects...they do often use cables like van damme ofc or belden or morgami and similar and upwards, but still in hifi people argue over cables. The point is nobody is forcing people to buy high end stuff, but there is a base quality of cables that will definitely improve performance and reduce noise and interference. But once you have got a general cable... the rest is more about the subtle changes and flavours that may or may not suit the users hearing and needs. But hey if people are happy with there bell wire and basic interconnects that's great too! But if things all sounded the same...we would not need or have so many different source amp and speakers options (even copper wound transformers can sound very different)... after all they all do the same job,- of picking up amplifying and reproducing signal through an electrical process. Yet can sound very different, which we can understand and accept. I think the main problem for cables for most is understanding and justifying how and why a cable costs $1000's while others a few bucks...as they both are seen as just strands or cores of copper, silver or ?, Sheathed in insulation and protection materials. So find it difficult to accept the value in it. But will perhaps be happy to spend thousands on a new amp because it has loads of components in a sturdy looking box and there is a sense that more work, skill and value goes into it. But equally while there are good sources, amps and speakers there are also pretty bad ones too. (mind you most are pretty good these days). But the real truth is... there is no such thing as perfect sound reproduction system...and even if there was... some wouldn't like it...as it's a personal taste thing. So if you can't hear any difference between cables then please be happy... but also be respectful that others can and do ..and if it sounds better and the price is right they will upgrade. I can't personally say I'm convinced they are getting value for money with expensive cables...but I did demo loads which have different flavours but prefered van damme (ofc) and belden tinned ...which are good enough for me and cheap, which I the make to custom lengths as I hate un-needed spaghetti.
@p0llenp0ny2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I completely rewired my entire studio with Mogami cable. It was like someone had removed a blanket from my speakers. I wasn't really a believer until then. I knew cable quality was part of the equation, but always figured it was negligible.
@federicopresti Жыл бұрын
I think a lot of pros (and I do this too) will spend on decent cables is because they are more reliable and durable than the cheapest possible thing. I don't think a dirt cheap generic plastic XLR connector sounds worse than a good one, not in any way that might be noticeable in a real world scenario. I'll still buy the expensive connector because of better build quality, corrosion resistance, durability, serviceability...
@humanitech Жыл бұрын
@@federicoprestipersonally I think it's a lot like hifi ....as some are more interested in sound and so will research, study, look into reviews, demo and buy equipment and connectors that fits their requirements and budgets....while others may buy the most expensive things without knowing why.. while other may buy cheap and cheerful and be happy... and other will steadily upgrade their equipment and connectors if they hear differences and improvements....and have money to invest. But good Belden, Mogami, or Van damme cables are all pretty good (and reasonably priced) starting points
@DustinRodriguez1_03 жыл бұрын
If we could hear the interference you are talking about, we would not need radios. We would just be able to hear radio stations all the time.
@gbaker64782 жыл бұрын
Keep going. I know cables don't make a difference at my level of equipment. I realized that when I watched the first video you did. Fly fishing is the same, people only know by the level or how well their experience is. Theories run rampant, doing proves everything. You helped me realize that sound equipment is the same thing. It's what level you have, got it, makes sense. I was learning how to cast a fly line 90 feet. A friend said everyone else says you don't need to cast beyond 30 feet. I said they say that because they can't cast further then 30 feet. My equipment isn't at a level yet to hear the difference, thank you, it cleared up a lot of what is being said. You know because of your experience. I'm the only guy I know that can cast 90 feet, I try to get others to learn but they don't get why it would make a difference, it does dramatically. I hope I get the same out of what audio gear I have. Peace
@charlesferguson66783 жыл бұрын
I would say that AudioQuest deserves a place at the table. Love your channel!
@OHMAudioChannel3 жыл бұрын
AQ are some of the worst offenders for bogus science claims on their cables. Kimber actually posts their measurements of their cables, AQ absolutely does not.
@smjerbetsk3 жыл бұрын
@@OHMAudioChannel Claims or not, are they bad cables? I havent heard bad AQ cables personally, compared to for example Monster, which are trash in many cases.
@OHMAudioChannel3 жыл бұрын
@@smjerbetsk they well built, no doubt but they don’t provide a meaningful upgrade over other well built and designed cables from other manufacturers. Their product descriptions are often filled with unsubstantiated claims and/or pseudoscience theories. Monster cables was a marketing company that sold A/V cables.
@johnnyandersson56223 жыл бұрын
I have done several blind tests many years ago, I and my friends could not hear any difference in cheap 6mm2 speaker cables and expensive, only when comparing thin with thick we could hear any difference. However in signal cables there were no trouble at all, there were huge differences between them, mostly in clarity and higher frequensys. The test was performed on a 12k$ Sony SACD ES setup, not a very high end but ok-ish and we could switch cables in a couple of seconds which made the test easier.
@ggroch3 жыл бұрын
It is not convincing when every "expert" you reference is an expensive cable manufacturer. Perhaps next time look for at least one expert who does not make their living selling the concept you are trying to prove.
@ichigobankai23433 жыл бұрын
Expert- a person who has a comprehensive and authoritative knowledge of or skill in a particular area. Specialist- a person who concentrates primarily on a particular subject or activity; a person highly skilled in a specific and restricted field. Besides speaker cable manufacturers who else are experts/specialist in speaker cables?
@rustyshackleford69783 жыл бұрын
@@ichigobankai2343 What!? Don’t you venture down to the local grocery store to learn about avionics? Or to the CPA office to learn about framing a house? You sir are not understanding his idiotic point. ;)
@ichigobankai23433 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake SIGH!!!! U dont get it. LMAO
@ichigobankai23433 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake Thats not it , people like U will not get it. LOL
@obedjimenez26243 жыл бұрын
Continue to be snake oil. I don’t see the logic in buying a couple of feet of cable for a grand. Leave me with the noise I can’t hear. I don’t want to make Mr. Kimber more richer. We were very happy in 60s and 70s
@questioneverything11233 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your video learning series... thank you for working to educate the masses... Thank you Danny. The deniers "those people" have NO CLUE about what they are talking about... any [RFI or EMF] signal on the speaker cable gets into amplifier through the feedback loop and DIRECTLY influences the [amplifiers performance] overall sound of the amplifier... "All cables sound the same" "all capacitors and passive components sound the same" to some engineering types, are simply often unwilling to invest in areas of their playback system...
@wetwareinterface39773 жыл бұрын
I'm not a "denier" because I refuse to test or understand, I deny all the claims of RF causing issues on speaker cable because I do understand the basics of electronics. The main understanding you need is signal to noise ratio, the noise signal is there on an unshielded straight cable from RF, no one is denying it. It is a thing, it does exist. The issue several people have brought up on the previous video is that the signal level the RF causes is not significant enough to be audible in any capacity in even the most efficient speaker designs. Put another way; no RF signal (unless you live next to a high amplitude microwave transmitter, which would mean other issues like being a burnt crispie) is going to drive a speaker. If you have an amplifier design that uses feedback from the cable, you won't hear the RF either as the ratio of the 1-20 watt signal to a milliwatt (and that's the worst case extreme) RF signal would make it inaudible also. Here's a simple test, plug any wire you like into your speaker, wire it up to a large antennae if you like to really go for it, and listen for any sound. Use the most sensitive microphone you can source and test the background noise and the speaker wire plugged in and look for a difference in audio levels. Know what you'll see or hear? That's right nothing, RF signals aren't strong enough to drive a speaker at all. Poorly shielded amplifiers will pick up RF and make it heard. Also interconnection cables can pick up RF and then pass that on to the amplifier. Funny he never mentions those at all. Must not be a product he sells.
@thomasni1233 жыл бұрын
@@wetwareinterface3977 only AM RF signals will get picked up, and this is only with poor amp designs. I live very close to a radio station and I hear..... Nothing from my amp with its cheap eBay cables. FM radios operate in the Megahertz bands so unless you have superhuman hearing... You're going to hear nothing. It seems Question Everything here is using confirmation bias to basically... Ignore a foundational understanding of electronics and not... Question a video without blind besting or measurements. Ironic.
@obijuan84662 жыл бұрын
Kimber has been around for ever. I heard my first 4c cables at my friends house, when we were 16. (40 years ago) What a difference from the 16ga cable he was using originally. I'm not an engineer, but there is a reason data cable, and other cables are using helical pairs, or other twisting methods. Less noise, less RFI, etc.. These types of cables do make a difference. Whether or not you believe it, is entirely your prerogative.
@joenovak63933 жыл бұрын
I am with you Danny!!!! Keep the video's going....Let's kick it up another notch...Since my hobby is to Recap/Upgrade my own gear..How about a video on Recapping Crossovers with better Film caps?
@seanjoell3 жыл бұрын
I'm with you! -like to see that too.
@benjaminqilafku57143 жыл бұрын
I watched the video out of curiosity because my 61 year old ears do not absolutely catch any noise or hiss in my rig so the issue doesn't regard to me.I am not sure that happens because my hearing is a bit tired or because my rig is perfect even though it is a budget one hooked together with amazon cables.I'd loved to hook it with some expensive cables and have some A and B test and tell any difference.
@hughbiggins43393 жыл бұрын
Don't bother. Enjoy the music. Listening intently for something that isn't there just messes with your head.
@pjo19643 жыл бұрын
Audioholics want a word with you!!! 😮
@EasyFold0073 жыл бұрын
Ignore the muppets...On YT everybody is a fooking Engineer...lolol
@mysock351C3 жыл бұрын
Except when we're actual engineers, and know without any doubt that he is wrong, or at least being dishonest to help keep his company propped up.
@EasyFold0073 жыл бұрын
@@mysock351C Sadly, real Engineers also get things wrong as do scientists and doctors and very few of them can fully agree on things accept hardcore scientific FACTS (look at the Covid debacle where very Tom Dick and Harry is a Specialist)...but we now live in a society where many people out there wants to be spoon fed with information and lack the basic skills of doing their own research.
@mysock351C3 жыл бұрын
@@EasyFold007 Having parents that are both doctors (and treated covid patients) the whole covid thing was politically loaded from the start and used in very manipulative ways. But that's a story for another day. But _rarely_ will people be as wrong as Danny is here. There is some truth to what he says, but its badly skewed and misapplied at best. It begs the question of what his actual motives are: Does he believe it? Or is he doing it to help support his business as it sells the very same thing he purports to be examining. It smacks of ulterior motives.
@Moparvanman3 жыл бұрын
Im so happy to be one of those people who enjoy the sound of a good cable. And just for the record, A "Good" cable is a cable that makes the audio system perform at its best! Love your videos Danny :-)
@Moparvanman3 жыл бұрын
@@Zenos174 ..If people only could get to read what you called me in your first reply before editing it... Well, I refuse to sink to that level of shame myself, So I will do my best to explain once again that the human ears/hearing is more complex than the manmade Oscilloscopes and other meassuring devices when it comes to analyzing the actual sound coming out of a audio system... Here goes nothing: "Measuring is not listening, But listening is the only way to measure good Sound" -Roy Willy Urdshals.
@Moparvanman3 жыл бұрын
@@Zenos174 ..Ok ...."The beauty is in the eye/ear of the beholder" And just for the hell of it : Everything is relative...Even "Copper Wire"
@Moparvanman3 жыл бұрын
@@Zenos174 -We don't receive wisdom, We must discover it for ourselves after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us- And with that in mind, I would suggest that you try out different types of cables and find out for yourself :-)
@Moparvanman3 жыл бұрын
@@Zenos174 Apology accepted Bob, We are only humans :-) When it comes to the price of cables, The truth is that in many cases they are not worth the price, And a DAC can be a far better upgrade. We might seem "Poles Apart" at first glance, But in reality we speak the same language, And we even got the same goal in mind : The best sounding system for the money spent ... Different approach thats all ;-)
@zerooneonetwothree18723 жыл бұрын
@@Zenos174 There are people that dont believe components can influence the sound enough to be significant, but every little change of cable lenght even will bring some kind of change, togeather, its not significant, its the only thing that matters about sound... The chain analogy in sound chain is not straight forward as a metal chain, so the weakest link will not allways be the auditory problem, but you can easily annihilate the high end sistem sound by just changing the speaker wire or whatever you change with cheap thing, you will hear the effects, so yes, cable is as important as anything, it just depends if you are happy with your sound sistem performance... If you seek fidelity, decay, low jitter or else, you need well designed device with high quality of every single component inside... This channel is great for researching that kind of stuff
@tech4life884 Жыл бұрын
When something doesn't allow signal in ( such as shielded cables) there not filters. Their shielding the cables from allowing interference into the cable. Filters allow signal in and change the signal before the signal gets let out. Your loosely using the word " Filter". You don't understand what you're talking about yourself. This is education for you personally. A Filter allows signal in and sends the signal out in a different frequency. Shields BLOCK ALL interference from getting into the cables.
@1974UTuber3 жыл бұрын
Guys I am not trying to sell you anything. I'm trying to educate you. See the link in the description where you can buy my cables. Oh so you ARE trying to sell us something then.
@bradisley5173 жыл бұрын
I agree completely. I got into making cables because I can solder above normal ability. The place most of my soldering was learned was Intel production and prototyping. A friend had a friend who needed a solderer who could do both heavy and ultra fine soldering. The owner had me build a 7 meter set of XLR interconnects that takes about 8 hours. He then had me add them in a running system in series with the cables in use. My only expectation was they met his standards so I could contract more work. I was very surprised that the music improved by getting clearer. That went against what I had been taught since High School. Since then I have had to re evaluate some of what I was taught because it does not hold up to reality. The biggest bunch of nay sayers I have talked with has been engineers. I find their "if you can't measure it, it don't exist amusing." Keep up the good work and Thanks. I seriously need a CLIO tutorial. I started this in my 50's. So much to learn and comprehend.
@wetwareinterface39773 жыл бұрын
This happens a lot, "I added another run of cable extending my older stuff and it sounded clearer than before". this cable is better for sound etc... no you simply reseated some connectors in your install that may have been loose or rubbed off some corrosion that caused a better connection on some unrelated to you cable's run.
@engjds Жыл бұрын
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@bryanlloyd60243 жыл бұрын
My big issue is at what point do these things start to make a difference? Could a $1,500 system (amp, speakers, source, DAC) be improved with these high-end cables or do the differences only show up in a $15,000+ system? Thanks!
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
Tune in for the 4th segment.
@bryanlloyd60243 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 Will do, thanks much!
@fugazi843 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking out loud. 5k$ worth of cables, or 5k$ worth of better gears...? What make the bigger differences?
@edwardmonsariste40502 жыл бұрын
I thought we were talking about speaker cables? 100% copper is 100% copper. Either it works right or it doesn’t. Again, you need to do the coat hanger vs expensive speaker cable.
@mrrocknroll842 жыл бұрын
I have to say that I am very happy with Canare star quad when it comes to cost and performance. I use the starquad on my interconnects and speakers. I've compared it with other cables and there is always a difference. Even my USB cable is from wireworld...it made a difference. They actually show the cross section for each cable. Geometry does matter. If you can't hear the difference then you either have too much wax in your ears or you don't know what you are listening for. As for audioquest I am not a fan because they are solely a marketing company
@karlcotleanu4863 жыл бұрын
The braiding and counter rotating geometry may be described as a "faraday cage." I make all my own cables which use a double helix geometry, which is an effective, and efficient way to shield cables, and minimize noise in your system.
@mikeazeka17533 жыл бұрын
For those who don't understand this comment, it's not really a Faraday cage, more like twisted pair conductors arranged in braids of twisted pairs in a counter-rotating helix. Any electrical engineer who thinks twisted pair conductors are snake oil doesn't know about transmitting electrical signals and noise control.
@karlcotleanu4863 жыл бұрын
@@mikeazeka1753 Nicely put Mike. Thanks.
@johnlastname28953 жыл бұрын
Sorry but you are wrong because there is an easy test to see if speaker cable will effect the Sound by acting like an antenna, just hook up nothing but a piece of speaker cable to a speaker and listen to it! can you hear anything? Can you hear all of that RF noise? Nope. The only place a cable needs to have RF rejection is BEFORE the amplifier so the RF noise does not get Amplified to the level that you can hear. End of story case closed.
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
Nope, it effects the amp on the output of many amps as well.
@jaghifi2 жыл бұрын
I completely 100 percent agree! Love your videos!
@ronbates9445 Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to have you and the Audioholics guys have a discussion. I think the ultimate test is to listen after all the measurements are done. I have yet to see measurements coorelated with listening quality.
@dannyrichie974310 ай бұрын
I have invited Gene over many times.
@johnharrigan87703 жыл бұрын
Danny You are right. I live in RF Central Heathrow one side Northolt (air ports) on another + local town centre with communication aerials then multiple phone masts if you take a capacitor insert it in a wire from my switched off amplifier case to earth the cap charges. Since I plaited my all valve system mains cables and attached ferrites. When I was a lad Dad worked for the BBC so like the studios I visited all star earthed. The final task was making cross connected co -ax speaker cable for my Quad 57's low inductance & rejects interference so no buzzes, clicks, hum or mains transformer noise, sounding as quiet as broadcast quality in the1950's
@RobWhittlestone3 жыл бұрын
Good points, John. I see Russ Andrews is cashing in on the aftermarket earthing idea now. Of course we can DIY, I'm tempted to give it a go and see what a difference it makes. All the best, Rob
@duncanmcneill70883 жыл бұрын
I’d say this hits the nail on the head - if you think you have issues with RF being induced into the output stage of your amplifier then you should look at the way the grounding has been done. RF being induced on mic level input stages - we see that all the time, noise being induced from lighting dimmers on the same phase - yep, RF being “reamplified by negative feedback” - someone screwed up the amplifier design.
@subject2no1353 жыл бұрын
Another little-known fact - you can't hear much with your head burried in the sand.
@peteleoni96652 жыл бұрын
The word "interconnects" Established because people won't spend mega bucks for cables. "Hey, look at my interconnects, I don't use cables as I am elite"
@Justwantahover3 жыл бұрын
I had a pair of speakers with a bass reflex vent and when l tapped the woofer it boomed for a half second after. I converted them to passive radiator and now the tapped woofer stops instantly. Lucky strike and the bass is way improved.
@Justwantahover3 жыл бұрын
@@davidlong1786 It was definitely an improvement in the sense that i liked it way more. I made the passive radiators out of old drivers with the magnets bumped off. Then I tweaked the weight till it sounded (what I reckon) the best. By using blue tack as weight it was easy to add and subtract weight.
@Nahash51503 жыл бұрын
The glowing facts are the speakers a) do not have the frequency response to even respond to RF signals, b) even if they did the signals don't have enough energy to drive a speaker, c) the human ear cannot hear RF no matter what. The worst possible outcome from Speakers Cables picking up RF is damage to the amplifier by causing high power oscillations...however, I'm assuming you have good quality power amplifiers that filter out RF at the output (any amplifier worth its salt already has an RF filter at the speaker outputs, and power supply, and input stage). Nevertheless, showing that a Speaker Cable can act as an antenna does not in any way prove it can 'sound better' than one that doesn't. See above. Also, the LENGTH of the cable is what determines whether it is a good antenna or not (unless said cable has an RF filter of course). The reason the receiver is responding is because the RF signal is being AMPLIFIED inside the receiver. A strong broadcast FM signal is 1mV/m (-60dBu). That's about 1,000,000 times LESS energy than it takes a speaker to make the faintest of sounds. If it isn't amplified by specialized high gain RF amplifier, audio equipment has NO HOPE of responding to it. Moreover, even if you're convinced such a test proves anything, all you need is a $2 RF choke to clip on your cable. Done.
@willjones89253 жыл бұрын
Clearly digital transmissions can be heard on audio cable. My speaker cable used to pick up my old cell phone. It was a staticky shuffle beat whenever my phone was pinging the network. I have super high efficiency horns, so that's a big reason, but the noise certainly gets on the line. When I used to record with a classical ensemble we all had to keep our phones off of the stage for the same reason, the mics would pick up the static. It wasn't enough to have them on silent. I don't think Danny's points here are very persuasive here, but my conclusion is that cables matter. But I have cheap cable because it doesn't matter as much as some other stuff and I'm not made of money.
@jonblakeman66363 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake As good a place/person to get an opinion (or hell, maybe even a fact) . So if this interference is being picked up by the speaker cable and can be heard in the speaker surely we'd be able to hear it all the time? The fact that we can't implies that the interference is picked up by the electronics and amplified, not by a bit of wire! Thoughts?
@michaellundy35513 жыл бұрын
If I hear a difference between two components in my system, but somebody else does not hear a difference between those same components in their system which one of us is right? If I like Pizza Hut best but someone else thinks Papa Johns is best while a third person says it's Dominos, who's right? If something can't be quantified does that mean it doesn't exist? What about things we don't how to measure. Do they not exist just because we aren't smart enough at this point in time to know what to measure or how to measure it? Does my Easyracers titanium frame bicycle ride better than a steel frame bike from a big box store? What attribute(s) of the bikes can be measured to tell which one rides better? If you put together some objective, measurable criteria and, if those measurements were the same, would that mean there was no difference between the the two bikes and I only think there is? Even if that's the case, so what? When it comes to me choosing which bike to ride, my perceptions are the only thing that matters. How does all that relate to cables? Over the years I've compared different cables more than once. Seven years ago I could hear differences between cables up to a point but not beyond. The system I have today is much more revealing and as such, the cables that represented the point where I could no longer hear any differences can no longer make that claim. One thing that happened as my system became more revealing was that I started to hear radio broadcasts in the background from my speakers and I don't have a radio tuner in my system. Changing to cables that better filtered out the RFI reduced the volume of the broadcast. Moving up to balanced components and cables greatly improved the problem. As far as value goes how much is too much depends on the individual. When somebody would tell me I was an idiot for spending that kind of money on a bicycle, I would ask them how much their bass boat cost.
@michaellundy35513 жыл бұрын
Says who?@Douglas Blake
@LouGuido3 жыл бұрын
Controlled listening experiments would be conducted to statistically determine if the difference exists. You could also utilize measuring equipment to show that a difference exists. Others could then measure the same phenomena to determine how it works and if it's audible. In audio, If you can't prove something is there from either of these methods then it by definition doesn't matter. For clarification "cable sound" is one of these things.
@michaellundy35513 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake Measurements aren't the only way to describe something. Nor are they the only way to understand something. For example, if the sounds of the chimes being stroked on the first cut of Santana's Abraxas are cleaner, crisper, more focused (to borrow a term from photography) in one component but a little muted, duller, and more diffuse with another, I can describe the difference even if I can't measure it. Maybe someday someone will come up with a way to quantify and measure attributes like focus, clarity, detail, etc. Until then, we'll just have to rely on our senses to make those type of determinations. Controlled listening experiments using double blind or other appropriate experimental design methodologies, is one way to try and address the effect on sensory attributes. Anybody that has ever conducted these types of experiments know the complexity, size, scope, cost, and limits on the findings involved. Only companies with very deep pockets can afford it. Marketing hype is just that, hype. This goes for all products in all industries, audio or fast food. Ever seen a burger in an advertisement that looks anything like what they hand you at the counter? So if marketing can't be believed and rigorous experimentation is too costly, how can someone decide if a product is worth buying? With audio you read what others have written and listen to what others have said but in the end you will never know for sure until you listen on your system in your room. If it works for you and you think the improvement is worth the price, keep the product. If not, send it back. That's why most retail audio companies have in home trial periods.
@MrJasonfromcanada Жыл бұрын
popular opinion: there is no cable on this round planet that is worth $72000 as listed on Transparent Cables website.
@shimofo13 жыл бұрын
Please explain/show how RFI/EMI affects amplifiers. Or provide links. I'm trying to understand the technical reasons for this. I have some limited knowledge of how amps work but it's rudimentary so references would be appreciated.
@shimofo13 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake thanks! What happens if it's a no feedback or a feed forward amp?
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake Just because you don't get it doesn't make it a fantasy. And why go here? Why talk about cables? My customers ask for and about them all the time. My goal is for my customers to be able to hear and enjoy the level of performance that I do. And yes, my system is one of the top level systems in the country. And not just because I design great speakers. It is the set up, the room treatment, the gear and yes, even the cables. Everything matters.
@shimofo13 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 hey Danny, can you film an example of how RFI/EMI affects an amplifier based on different cables? I'm really trying to understand this but so far it's not clicking for me. Also, if DOES happen, is it just poor amp design or does it affect all amps?
@dannyrichie97433 жыл бұрын
@@shimofo1 I cover some of this in episodes to come. Episode 4 touches on that.
@gsmollin23 жыл бұрын
Its fairly simple. Every amplifier can pickup RF wireless signals from the cables that are connected to it, because the cables can act as antennas. Once inside your equipment, these RF signals can be amplified and detected by non-linearities in the circuits. Often the non-linearities are actually caused by the RF signals driving amplifier stages into saturation. The detected signals are now what we call "baseband", that is they are the original signals before they were modulated onto RF carriers. Amplifier outputs are less susceptible to this than the inputs; that should be obvious. However, strong interference can propagate backwards through an amplifier, especially if it employs a lot of negative feedback. These effects have been problematic in large systems where speaker lines run hundreds of feed. The usual solution is to run shielded cable and or conduit, and to avoid things like fluorescent lights, stage lighting panels, HVAC motors, and anything else that has strong EMI potential.
@JaytheP3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, now I know not to give GR -“Research” a single dollar of business
@Mike_Jones683 жыл бұрын
who are you going to give a dollar or few to then? I love these vague comments of snobbery when said commentator never gives the alternate choice. What do you use then??
@JaytheP3 жыл бұрын
@@Mike_Jones68 I’ve seen your other comments and man, I feel bad for you. Have you tried actually educating yourself in audio and electrical engineering? Instead of looking for the next “guru” to lead you to magical cables, try learning how sound works and how your brain processes it. Until then, you’re the only snob and an ignorant one at that.
@Mike_Jones683 жыл бұрын
@@JaytheP LOL ahhh WOW are you serious? IF you were actually read any of my comments, nowhere did I allude to anything magical dragon items, or state that I have a certain background so I know better, nor did I assert I am looking for an alternative to what I actually use. my original comment relates to the fact every comment on this vid seems to reside in armchair qtr-backng, and in the most vague of ways, giving no context....where in this i am calling you guys out i.e. "ok sure, fine, if this vid makes no sense, relates to nothing, tell me what you use and why you chose it"...Believe me, I'm good with my system buddy, but I still like to watch/read many things to draw conclusions. You are def way off saying I'm the snob when all I asked is pretty much a survey question to obtain data you obvi got rubbed you the wrong way.
@vivianvaldi78713 жыл бұрын
I just learned a new word today, here in my old country where we still use horses, witches & garlic for banning Covid & other stuff... Industry ! Oh my gush, what is that ? Seems great. Are u sure ?
@jwester70093 жыл бұрын
Actually you never want to ad an inductions or impedance filter in your signal path. Especially not before the amplifier. This will restrict the dynamic range. Some of the few that has done research on this issue is Ansuz cables. What they have done is they have developed an active noise suppression board included outside the cable. It works by sampling the noise transients and generating the counter transients actively. Almost like noise cancellation except this is active. So it's not directly a part signal path. Therefore they can work on reducing the inductance and impedance to almost zero. And that allows the dynamics to come through and opens everything up
@sc0or3 жыл бұрын
A balanced connection is preferable "before the amplifier" with some low pass filter (as a part of an amplifier schematic). Any twisted cable is good enough for this. As for speaker connection cables, there are so many marketing BS as well as engineering solutions, that it's hard to say where a truth is. But Danny is right when he talks about cable to negative feedback loop influence. If we take this signal directly from a point where an output transistor and a cable connect, we won't be able to separate a cable noise and transistor distortions. Other solutions will add something to a signal path (to make this separation possible). Besides, a good cable can be connected to any amplifier.
@jwester70093 жыл бұрын
@@sc0or A balanced cable is good if the output buffer is made correctly for balanced operation. Many just adds an extra Op-amp for this option meaning extra components into the signal path. In this case the an unbalanced cable will usually sound the best. So the proper way is the try both if both connections are available. My power amp only has a feedback loop as a part of in the input buffer. The output stage has no feedback loop. So theoretically it should be less sensitive to noise as explained in the video
@sc0or3 жыл бұрын
@@jwester7009 Good choice! I also prefer no negative feedback amplifiers. Properly built hey sound amazing. I cured THD sickness some time ago -) But 99% of amplifiers have a global negative feedback loop. These cables are for them I think.
@meraydin13 жыл бұрын
negative feedback is for attenuation not for amplification... so this video is total non-sense.
@jameshobbs14603 жыл бұрын
Cables are cables huh? No sound difference Huh? OK.. Real story.. My story.. I worked @ Circuit City.. We started carrying Monster Cable, and yes I still like monster cable and always will, for this reason. I had a nice system at the house.. HK avr, Carver seperate amp, Polk spkers and a Velodyne FSR sub.. but with the cables that came with it or the red and white regular cables.. no biggie right.. I went to a class taught by Noel Lee himself in Dallas.. I sort of bought into it and figured I would start with the 200 line of cable.. if it makes a difference cool.. if not I did not spend much money.. so I hooked it up and was listening to it.. My girlfriend at the time (who could give two shits about audio), came in the room.. sat for a bit.. and got up looking at the speakers and equipment.. I asked "what are you doing?"... she then accused me of buying new equipment.. now at that moment I was sold.. Many of us can hear differences and live for great sound.. but for someone who did not give one iota of damn about it.. to hear it.. acknowledge it and go looking for it to acuse me of "New" ... SOLD! JS.. I got the same speech when I upgraded to the 400mk II cables.. JS.. if you want to see results.. play for someone who is not vested.. Just a thought
@gsmollin23 жыл бұрын
I was hoping this video would clear up or correct some of the issues with the old clip, but it was actually worse. Mr. Richie simply doubles down on his claims from the old video, and asks us to go to speaker cable company websites and drink their Kool Aid. Disappointing. Mr. Richie, I asked you to do this video in my last comment, but I will repeat it here: Connect the different speaker cables into your audio system, and show us, with an audio analyzer, how the audiophile cables provide lower noise than the twisted pairs or zip cords. It is a simple and convincing test. If your claims are demonstrable, you should have no problem showing them.
@darrenwilkinson17422 жыл бұрын
There’s an entire industry around cables because you get something worth a few dollars and sell it for thousands… why would they do that if it didn’t help the sound quality? I wonder? us pesky electronics Engineers with of facts and measurements!
@dennisbohner68763 жыл бұрын
AM/FM frequency noise in SPEAKER CABLES, will be in microvolts and at RADIO frequencies. While removing of micro/pico volt interference may be critical in the best systems with superior efficiency, improvements will be slight in the NORMAL range.
@stuart3023 жыл бұрын
Any improvement big or small is worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@hypotheticallywhatiskyle2 жыл бұрын
Cables only matter within reason.... look inside your amplifier look at the track going to the speaker outlet the trace is at absolute most 1.5mm x 0.5mm. The only thing you need to consider is copper and getting meatier wire for longer runs
@frankieknuckles96103 жыл бұрын
Why are the wires inside the speakers so thin and cheap?
@K-Effect3 жыл бұрын
Plug in your 1200 W microwave next to your stereo and see how it sounds when you're cooking a hot pocket
@edgar96513 жыл бұрын
And which part of your stereo system is most influenced by that microwave? The input signals, the internal electronics, or the output speaker cables?
@TheMirolab3 жыл бұрын
The smell of the hot pocket will affect the sound.
@Mr_Spock5122 жыл бұрын
**cough** Snake Oil **cough**
@cswann82 жыл бұрын
Danny, saying "I'm not trying to sell anything, I just want to educate.." and then directing people to those that are selling things really doesn't strengthen your arguments. Personally I thought the FM receiver demo was really great. I'm of the opinion that when you really start to explore the upper-end of audio reproduction, every single part has the potential to introduce unwanted negative elements. Having said that, I consider many claims from audio manufacturers and vendors with healthy skepticism. The audio industry is known for having it's share of "snake oil salesmen" so pointing out that "an entire industry exists.." isn't really a strong argument imo (there is an entire industry of on-line and phone scammers after all). What is strong are repeatable and verifiable tests, like the one you performed in the previous video.
@treyhorn56453 жыл бұрын
I remember when Paul McGowan was building the new PS audio building they installed all the LED lights and they had an issue with that as well because they were causing so much noise. They had to go change out all of their lighting because it was affecting in a negative way.
@mysock351C3 жыл бұрын
This is actually an RF interference issue. If you use speaker wire that has large runs of the conductors by themselves, or does not have a uniform RF impedance long its length, it will pick up RF noise. I live around 500 feet from a 10 kW commercial AM broadcast transmitter, and I have to be careful with cable and speaker runs, or I will get AM broadcast material in the audio. Properly run 2-conductor copper speaker cable, though, is fairly RF tight and there is no trace of the AM, even on a scope provided they're terminated properly.
@johnh539 Жыл бұрын
My convenient circuit was too contaminated ,so I have been forced to plug in to a different circuit .do you think braided cable would help ?
@ianpdavis2 жыл бұрын
Disc-o-tek Danny. Disc-o-tek. French origin. Global recognition. Yes its an old fashioned word today but for those of a certain age it conjures up flares, wide collars and - god help me - platform shoes.
@barneyrubble93093 жыл бұрын
No BS, this was my experience. I once has LINN speaker cable in long runs (5m). With the amp on but nothing playing, i could hear radio Luxemburg through the tweeter with the volume set at normal volume setting. It was faint but audible non the less. So that signal was mixed with whatever music i was playing and clearly impacted on sound quality. That cable didnt last long. Kimber cable replaced it (also at 5m runs) amd the noise vanished even with the volume maxed out.
@sylvaind90863 жыл бұрын
Your rf was comming from the input stage of your amp or pre amp. Not the speaker cables. Trust me.
@barneyrubble93093 жыл бұрын
@@sylvaind9086 you may be right but why did it dissapear when i changed cables?
@DivineMisterAdVentures7 ай бұрын
Looks to me that we can DIY a simple Counter-Twist cable in a braided nylon tube pretty easy. Don't they sell a wire twister for that? (Not that we would need one.) Whereas the many "SHIELDED CABLE" vendors - those are going to attenuate the audio signal entirely. So we can't do worse!
@paulh77983 жыл бұрын
There seems to be a high positive correlation between those who are deaf and those who have anger issues ...
@BostonMike6811 ай бұрын
Some guy on a video said he used a coat hanger in a listening test with $5000 speaker wires and people can't tell the difference I'm so confused on this subject I agree with Danny it makes perfect sense but people still don't agree. When I build my speakers I use ofc braided like he does in people on diy groups tell me it's a waste it's dimensioning returns blah blah blah but I have one chance to design my speakers right and I would rather spend a little extra money than have any problems. He made sense to me ..
@mwrightinsurance2 жыл бұрын
See article below, RF immunity and testing Any unshielded semiconductor (e.g. an integrated circuit) will tend to act as a detector for those radio signals commonly found in the domestic environment (e.g. mobile phones).[16] Such a detector can demodulate the high frequency mobile phone carrier (e.g., GSM850 and GSM1900, GSM900 and GSM1800) and produce low-frequency (e.g., 217 Hz) demodulated signals.[17] This demodulation manifests itself as unwanted audible buzz in audio appliances such as microphone amplifier, speaker amplifier, car radio, telephones etc. Adding onboard EMI filters or special layout techniques can help in bypassing EMI or improving RF immunity.[18] Some ICs are designed (e.g., LMV831-LMV834,[19] MAX9724[20]) to have integrated RF filters or a special design that helps reduce any demodulation of high-frequency carrier. Designers often need to carry out special tests for RF immunity of parts to be used in a system. These tests are often done in an anechoic chamber with a controlled RF environment where the test vectors produce a RF field similar to that produced in an actual environment.[17