Grubby Faces Rank 1 ROC Player Who Never Stopped Playing Reign of Chaos - WC3

Grubby Faces Rank 1 ROC Player Who Never Stopped Playing Reign of Chaos - WC3 - Grubby

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Grubby Faces Rank 1 ROC Player Who Never Stopped Playing Reign of Chaos (Game played on 24-September-2023)
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@Jny235 8 ай бұрын

"He is the master of ROC, but I am the Master of Warcraft" Jesus Grubby, you don't have to cook him this hard. It's hot in here... Jokes aside😃, great game, half an hour like it's nothing!

@saimyintmyat9373 8 ай бұрын

Who lets him cook ?

@gartoll 8 ай бұрын

Funnier when you think that Grubby still played tournaments such as WCG 2003, which were in RoC setting despite TFT being out at the time. Though I cannot blame him since not many people played TFT at the very beginning and it had only released for like a month so it was still a bit random.

@user-it7dg4jq7c 6 ай бұрын

mic drop

@kumalala.. 4 ай бұрын

is roc different from frozen throne...?

@Jny235 4 ай бұрын

@@kumalala.. Ofc, more units, more items, different balance.

@staceygram5555 8 ай бұрын

It's crazy how much the TFT expansion improved this game. Most expansions just add a bit of stuff, but TFT completely changed the game.

@stevepwn 8 ай бұрын

so did the diablo2 expansion

@frozentree2651 8 ай бұрын

Old video game expansions were often impressive. Gamers demanded more for their money.

@Sektor_925 7 ай бұрын

the name "Expansion" actually meant something then@@frozentree2651

@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 6 ай бұрын

Back in the day an expansion would be like another game on top

@v44n7 6 ай бұрын

@@frozentree2651 CDProject expansions are as good or better than old video games expansions

@jaymxu 4 ай бұрын

0:29 "Is from Austria.. The land of kangaroos" 😂

@darayray5520 3 ай бұрын

We all know what he meant, but still funny af

@krel3358 3 ай бұрын

My favourite Aussie leader was Austrolfo Fiddla

@Jejse17 3 ай бұрын

Let's put another shrimp on the barbie!

@itchin4scratches 3 ай бұрын

Atlantis,Georgia

@mir3877 8 ай бұрын

For that guy the day Grubby ROC with him, it was the greatest day of his life. But for Grubby, it was Monday

@kurzackd 8 ай бұрын

you are misinterpreting the communication between them, but I'm too tired to explain to you how and why... -_-

@KocaMetallec 7 ай бұрын

Grubby was rude and unfriendly in the comments in the beginning, like never before

@test-id6cz 7 ай бұрын

@@KocaMetallecno he wasn't lol

@moebino2685 7 ай бұрын

@@KocaMetallec he was honest not rude, snowflakes these days smh

@yellowpancake7968 6 ай бұрын

@@KocaMetallectbh he was just very straightforward and that always comes out as rude.

@Newbtuber 8 ай бұрын

What a mad lad for being so committed to ROC

@nikolablagojevic253 7 ай бұрын

Why would someone keep playing ROC instead of transferring to the TFT, quite weird.

@bakaraymoo7389 5 ай бұрын

its so obvious. they want to feel like theyre good. then they get bodied by somebody who hasnt played for 10 years and they say "OH IM NOT AT MY BEST" This is the exact personality of somebody who just wants to be #1 with no work at all. No innovation in 10 years. Just rolls over and dies and makes excuses. @@nikolablagojevic253

@dextros6229 4 ай бұрын

because most people moved over so he can be rank 1 there xD@@nikolablagojevic253

@tyrannical3579 4 ай бұрын

@@nikolablagojevic253 its the memories and his attachment to the certain game. Maybe emotionally where he finds comfort when playing at his times of low or some memorable past that he never forgets.

@GK-gc9cv 4 ай бұрын

@nikolablagojevic253 i much preferred ROC to TFT but I mostly played 2v2 and 3v3 and unfortunately there is no more team ROC and very little 1v1 ROC anymore. I'm mad reforged didn't keep ROC multiplayer. Only W3C but very little base there

@oliverzettas8286 8 ай бұрын

You're the best brotha, I'm excited to check the game out now! Greetings from beautiful Denver, CO!

@zenitfan4life 8 ай бұрын

So many things can be said about this game, but in short it really just highlights Grubby's elite level and understanding of the game. He beat the guy who played ROC non-stop years without even remembering the basics of ROC mechanics, such as what's sold in shops or that you cannot web a zeppelin, etc. Just amazing, bravo Grubby.

@AssistInRiots 8 ай бұрын

fyi Zeppo get webbed repeatedly here, they just have anti magic

@CraftyF0X 7 ай бұрын

More realisticly the interpretation is that, for better or worse, RTS games are greatly about player speed (APM). A lot of "knowledge about the game" can be countered by just being faster. Grubby was very fast to recognize the differences between ROC and standard TFT too. For example, realising that he can't buy zep with units costed him like 1.5-2 sec, if that happens with someone else it could take 10-20 sec to register and being acted upon. As I said, we like it or not the genre coming down to quick hands and quick decision making.

@roywebb-pullman1496 5 ай бұрын

@@CraftyF0X it only took him a few seconds to realise, sure, but the actual time he used to employ the strategy that wasn't possible was far longer. Grubby's 150 apm compared to someone else's 60 doesn't really matter in this instance either: Grubby's banshees were out of the picture for about a minute longer than they needed to be. That Grubby can click faster doesn't factor into the decision making about what clicks to do, which I think is the point that you were actually making: He has over a decade of experience in this game, so he was able to quickly register and remember what was happening.

@GK-gc9cv 4 ай бұрын

More realistically its like a strong foreign player who played original starcraft 1 for years playing a korean broodwar pro on vanilla original starcraft 1. Yeah there are differences but wouldnt come close to bridging the mile wide skill gap

@pr107 Ай бұрын

What is more amazing is how much Grubby forgot about ROC...I get it, but he's pretending to be brand new.

@ChrisIsMeChris 4 ай бұрын

Doing the troll creep camp while defending the attack on your base at 8:00 was INSANE!! Amazing micro, and a testament to the old Undead Death Star ;)

@vladislavkaras491 2 ай бұрын

Darn, I did not expect how much different are RoC and TFT! Thanks for the video!

@ivandovranic5834 8 ай бұрын

At the beginning of the game, he was telling: "I wanted to play you at _my best."_ :( That ship has long sailed my dude, but better late than never. Thanks Grubz, was nice to remember that days, and feeling that we're playing the best games in the world, made by the best developer

@f34r0r 8 ай бұрын

The bests have fallen. Billions must remember.

@kurzackd 8 ай бұрын

wait, what do you mean: *"That ship has long sailed my dude, but better late than never."* ?? Do you *KNOW* him personally and can thus testify that he was MUCH better *AGES* ago ? :O .

@hehehehehahahaha2025 8 ай бұрын

@@kurzackd I doubt it. I can personally tell you he (booster) was pretty bad 10 years ago and he was super active back then and ranked somewhere in the top 10 of ROC ladder because nearly the entire community played the same mass creep style with no understanding of micro, positioning or scouting expansions; fast forward to 2023 and you can still see those areas being a weakness for him. Grubby is on a whole other level. His first ROC game in such a long time that he had forgotten most of the basic mechanics and wins anyway .

@kurzackd 7 ай бұрын

@@hehehehehahahaha2025 mate, may I ask you how old you are and for how long you've been following WC3 ?? -_- .

@DudeWatIsThis 7 ай бұрын

@@hehehehehahahaha2025 "10 years ago" You spelled "20" wrong.

@elmarvo7505 8 ай бұрын

very intense match! well played!

@junkequation 3 ай бұрын

I loved roc. No one ever believes me, but I beat the #1 guy on the ladder back in the day. I was the minimum level required to be able to match up with him. I think I was level 12, he was level 17, something like that. Nit2 was his name. His strat was to rush to priest/sorc. I fast expanded with footmen, creeped around the map a bit, found him, and killed his base just as his first priests and sorceresses were popping out. You don't know how happy I was to win. I still congratulate myself 20 years later, haha. Everyone on ladder was night elf, and it was so hard to beat hemon hunter with huntresses rush. Felt super good to win that matchup too.

@hristopavlov298 Ай бұрын

Well done man, haha :D

@Lortagreb Ай бұрын

You're right I dont believe you

@sniba5276 Ай бұрын

@serioussilliness2064 12 күн бұрын

That doesn't seen too hard to believe, you just used a hard counter strategy to quick tech.. rock paper scissors in rts is rush, defense, quick tech.

@jontopham2742 3 күн бұрын

It's always fun to reflect on the good old days and leave it in the past

@blacklotus561 8 ай бұрын

It's funny how with only 3 heroes for each race there's only 6 different variations of heroes you can have (dk1st/lich2nd/DL3rd vs lich1st/DK2nd/DL3rd). Meanwhile in TFT there are 12 different heroes each race can chose from which increases the amount of variations from 6 to a staggering 1320.

@kevin-7091 8 ай бұрын

1320 variations, around ten of which you will find in 90% of matches

@SomeRandomWordsHere_MrMr 8 ай бұрын

There are more if you count solo or dual only like in this game. Then it's 15 if I am right.

@uaua-qm2gp 8 ай бұрын

Not exactly. Absences of 2nd or 3rd herp is also a choice so 15 options = (3 + 6 + 6) if orders of picking matters. If order doesn't matter for TFT selecting of 3 from 12 without repetitions gives only 220 options. In this regard, MOBAs has ultimate power with around 150_000_000_000_000 combinations (150 Terracombinations) for current DOTA2 hero pool

@RightHandedMan25 8 ай бұрын

@@uaua-qm2gp They have so much fun balancing that

@Templarfreak 7 ай бұрын

@@uaua-qm2gp the order you pick your heroes definitely matters a lot because WC3 isnt just a bunch of decisions being made in a vacuum or singular point in time, it is a game of imperfect information that happens over a period of time

@lukajovanovic8923 7 ай бұрын

Grubby: "How do you actually heal" Me: "He knows" *You don't*

@Figgy20000 2 күн бұрын

Moon Wells ;)

@Jakob.Hamburg 7 ай бұрын

Nice match and nice information. I enjoyed it. : )

@davidhenson1316 8 ай бұрын

I also know its ROC simply from how corpses function (blood also lasts longer). The reforging messed with the old graphics blood and gore. Here it's fully visible. Lots of chars in reforged old graphics are bugged when the actor dies.

@davidhenson1316 8 ай бұрын

Absolutely LOVE how in ROC blood lasts much longer and fades out after 60 seconds instead of clipping out in 15 seconds on current patch.

@schmitty9800 7 ай бұрын

GG, key part was the level 2 unholy aura it enabled a lot of good early map presence

@DudeWatIsThis 7 ай бұрын

Key part was Grubby had 3 mines before the guy got his second.

@haydenhoaglin554 5 ай бұрын

thats such a different play style then what we are used too and i loved it

@berimanjuliano 8 ай бұрын

sick play !! awesome

8 ай бұрын

Wow, I did not expect this outcome.

@Exhorderx 8 ай бұрын

Grub playing RoC always a such a treat

@owwsdingatlaga8633 8 ай бұрын

That micro though damn grubby still has it. Clutch play at the shop

@marcolee2875 8 ай бұрын

To this day I remember how I played with a friend in his bedroom and mines was a drop from creeps. Incredible damage and cloaked. Fun times.

@Lucius_Chiaraviglio 8 ай бұрын

Not sure if this still applies with the current patch (including whatever W3C might have done to it, but originally in Reign of Chaos, Undead Banshee's Anti-Magic Shell worked the way Night Elf Anti-Magic Potion does in TFT (except that the latter does not grant immunity to Web/Ensnare), so you could use it as a single-point Dispel that (I think) did no Dispelling damage to Summons. This would have helped a lot when you were getting hit with Curse and Sleep, as well as Frost Nova.

@TheTriangle444 Ай бұрын

also ROC possession was like instant right. I was surprised it took a lot of time in Frozen throne before it possessed the unit

@Lucius_Chiaraviglio Ай бұрын

@@TheTriangle444 According to Liquipedia WC3, Possession became channeling with Patch 1.13, dated 2003-12-16. While looking this up, I also found that Patch 1.35.0 (dated 2023-01-19) changed Anti-Magic Shell so that it always takes damage from dispels -- it used to only take damage from dispels if it was protecting a (summoned) unit susceptible to dispelling damage, and not take any damage from dispels if it was protecting a unit not susceptible to dispelling damage.(*) Not sure whether this means that Anti-Magic Shell protecting such a unit takes double damage. (*)This would actually be not a bad for other buffs and debuffs -- have them have a certain number of hit points and take dispelling damage rather than being auto-hosed (although in some cases a dispel would do enough damage to eliminate them in one shot anyway, although currently no dispel does enough damage to one-shot Anti-Magic Shell, but Purge comes close).

@alexanderxyz6146 8 ай бұрын

Would be nice to actually see such game on an actual RoC (exklusive) map!

@vOddy75 6 ай бұрын

The purple regen potions in the goblin shops seem like the way to heal heroes after creeping

@SashaBlightWing 8 ай бұрын

That's GHB for you XD I think that's why he said that he wanted to fight you at "his best".

@MaxwellMcKinnon 8 ай бұрын

Omg there are some people that love RoC. Grubby you are amazing

@theopticrobert7529 8 ай бұрын

Someone call an ambulance but not for Big G xd, what a game GG!

@Dedgyblazer 8 ай бұрын

This needs an [EPIC] tag, what a match

@prainiak5710 8 ай бұрын

"He's from Austria, the land of kangaroos" LMAO

@YugenDota 3 ай бұрын

Absolutely mesmerizing gameplay

@TheOneRealTom 8 ай бұрын

Big love from Austria for that comment about kangaroos!

@freedomfighter8883 2 ай бұрын

I always liked ROC more than tft. All the extra stuff and changes they added sorta overcomplixated things. RoC was perfect

@SAlma-kw7to 8 ай бұрын

Your headphone wire on short made me think there’s a hair on my screen XD

@jeromedewart 8 ай бұрын

So fun and nostalgic to watch. Can you play roc on reforged? Not the campaign, ladder games like this one

@morgunvad 8 ай бұрын

@angamaitesangahyando685 8 ай бұрын

This is Reforged (W3Champions). Or do you mean the graphics? Pretty sure you can. - Adûnâi

@FollowGrubby 8 ай бұрын

On bnet no. In wc3, yes, I just did. It’s via W3Champions

@jeromedewart 8 ай бұрын

@@FollowGrubby Super! Thanks warchief :)

@candyboober 8 ай бұрын

you guys are so funny when you talk about geography: 0:29. "- where are you from? - Georgia. - Nice, I've been to this state."

@magusto627 8 ай бұрын

Bold statement. Master of WC

@LeDogueDeBroceliande 13 күн бұрын

That was so fun to watch

@samuelallen8945 8 ай бұрын

great game!

@ernestomarcos0103 4 ай бұрын

The Undead in RoC always felt incomplete to me, which is why I struggled so much to find the best strategy to destroy all the bases in the last mission (deciding not to bother with expensive Aboms and going for Skelly spam). From watching this it's clear that the problem was that I suck lol.

@RMac 7 ай бұрын

"but im the master of warcraft"" THUG / NEEDS TO BE OFFICIAL GRUBBY QUOTE

@Earpugs 2 ай бұрын

You are absurdly good at WC3

@MagicalMaster Ай бұрын

Damn, he made you work for it.

@bcisnerosc 8 ай бұрын

Te amo Grubby, SALUDOS DESDE ARGENTINA !!

@staceygram5555 8 ай бұрын

Why does Grubby seem to despise this guy? 😂

@Birdenz 8 ай бұрын

Noiiice. Looking forward to this.

@bu1snessl1ne 6 ай бұрын

the RoC Lich icon so much cooler

@ShanePhoenix5558 Ай бұрын

Hey grubby why do you build a additional necropolis in expo when you can build a haunted gold mine without it if you wanted.

@hn7933 8 ай бұрын

Your heroes had better items and a lot more mana. Also, I thought heroes did medium dmg in RoC. Great macro game though. I remember getting burrow tower rushed nonstop in RoC ladder or NE cheese with moonwells DH lol

@gartoll 8 ай бұрын

Everyone (even Grubby himself apparently) thinks that heroes do Normal damage in RoC. You are confusing RoC balance and RoC campaign balance. To help you understand, RoC campaign uses 1.01 patch balance. RoC uses 1.06 (or 1.10 RoC, not 100% sure) balance. Heroes were doing Normal damage until 1.05, meaning that RoC ladder matches have heroes with their own damage type.

@FollowGrubby 8 ай бұрын

ROC itself had some balance and design patch changes, too. W3C chose a particular patch

@DerpinSomeMuffins 8 ай бұрын

Great game! You both are incredible Warcraft players. Though I do cringe a bit at the copium (I'm not at my best) just say GG!

@r4nhuturtlerider 3 ай бұрын

Ur really good and def has lots of exp, do u remember a player back in roc called angryhuman? really good. I guess insomnia top azeroth main orc, i reach 150/0 random beating him with orc, tech wyvs ftw, he left.

@ryanveith9464 7 ай бұрын

Did I hear that right??? "He's from Austria the land of kangaroos" for sure he knows that's Australia right???

@ryanveith9464 7 ай бұрын

God damn it, I kept watching and he got me... Nice one grubs haha

@TF2Shows 8 ай бұрын

grubby im new player can you show your keyboard actions for 1 game? like keyboard overview/layout on top of screen to see how you control units

@tom6069 7 ай бұрын

Go play age of empires 2 and you will understand better, you need to use control +1 ctrl+2 etc.. To control. Units better, and set building on whatever you like

@korayo8793 27 күн бұрын

This game will always have a special place in my heart

@paulmarcu2100 8 ай бұрын

Hey Grubbster, how can you play Roc? I see no option in bnet app for Roc!

@The.Original.Potatocakes 8 ай бұрын

Grub to the sub I always say it, btw this is one of the best games you ever played.

@Wisstihrwas 6 ай бұрын

Ooh the good old times of RoC. The game that brought me into the blizzard franchise. My cousin and my uncle were around since wc2 and as like a 5 or 6y old i saw it on their screens. But i guess that doesnt count. However. In RoC the best strat was just economics based. Human in my opinion easily most op race. Fast expansion, mass gryphs. Arch mage and mk or paladin. Or even the 3 of them. With this army comp you'd smash all enemys into oblivion. Incredible mobility, sustain, dmg output, harass etc. Only real downside of this strat was you'd be vulnerable to rushes. But then again, eapecially on smaller maps, do some tower and arch mage witg blizzars clearly helps. But may god forgive their unholy souls, if they go late game against you! In my opinion tft completely changed the game. Of course it was more versitaile and overal more complex. But i never liked it. In RoC i had my goto thing to do. When i reached my point, my economy and some gryphs with 2 - 3 leveles heros, i was just unstoppable and won 80 to 90% of the matches. But tft kinda destroyed that for me. When tft came out, i stopped playing normal mode and went more into fun games. Hero Line Wars and Hero Wars which is basically dotas ancestor. Later dota came as a thing. I never played dota on Wc3 but in hero wars i was quite a ace. Gnark Troll Marksman. That thing was broken as hell. Kinda like drow with a inbuilt crit. Or troll defender that was basically troll warlord. With enough -agi bought in shop, you'd bash them into eternity. Good old times ❤😂

@compulsiveconsumption 7 ай бұрын

"Austria, the land of kangaroos" -Grubby 2023

@AbrownesqLLC 8 ай бұрын

The real grubby for ke has always been ROC grubby, including Moon. This guy was good, but when grubby and him fought at his first expo after grubby got creep jacked and the guy had to tp, i knew it was over lol

@eduardosimonsendelima3329 8 ай бұрын

Good job

@Khantia 8 ай бұрын

ROC was so weird in retrospect :P

@dnb771 8 ай бұрын

all i want for christmas this year is grubby to tower turtle hero only in roc. I miss those times. Tower kills give xp in roc and hu heroes are op.

@GK-gc9cv 4 ай бұрын

And human towers are very op

@theseviolentdelightz 4 ай бұрын

crazy game

@dermuiker 6 ай бұрын

can lich trinket stun or only fear?

@AZZ800 8 ай бұрын

How do you play ROC now? I went to w3champions, but I can only queue for TFT

@GK-gc9cv 4 ай бұрын

Mode is called ROC 1v1. I think you have to toggle between main modes like 1v1 2v2 4v4 and other modes

@gog3366 8 ай бұрын

Ghb is the abbreviation for a drug. Is that what the opponent meant?

@L1CHable 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, he was probably high thats why he meant he wanted to play at his best. Should be careful with ghb tho it's pretty dangerous

@g0nz1337 6 ай бұрын

you still got it grubby gg

@pho3nix- 8 ай бұрын

You should play RoC more often

@maniac6655 7 ай бұрын

the ROC itemdroptable is way more fun than the new one 😅

@Volkov_ai 8 ай бұрын

Very nice and dramatic

@drewskiwest5284 26 күн бұрын

he most definitely has expo on island @ 22:56 when you're wondering.

@drewskiwest5284 26 күн бұрын

badabing told ya. i know philbot.

@drewskiwest5284 26 күн бұрын

for roc dk/lich/fend build you need to stay @ t2, with 2 crypts pumpin fiends and then if it makes it to late game, t3 for 3-3 upgrades with web, heal scroll/protection scroll/wons vs banshees for ams. and dreadlord to get to lvl3 asap for strongest nuke in game.

@RichyRich2607 8 ай бұрын

ROC is really really sluggish :D

@hallo-mt5tx 15 күн бұрын

roc is definitely funny, especially the campaign where heroes have normal attack they completely destroy everything with light armor, which was a lot since unarmored didnt exist either

@Antonio-rg1cy 5 ай бұрын

What APM stand for ? :D

@Blackblaze2007 7 ай бұрын

his no match to you grub.. he just thought he can.. in his dream i guess hahahah

@eirtars 2 ай бұрын

very warholian moment

@christianjung7915 7 ай бұрын

why you so mean to your enemy ? be kind like he is

@pupper5580 8 ай бұрын

Similar to best player of a region vs a top player in the world. Usually the best player in a region doesn't stand a chance against against a global elite.

@ross1158 8 ай бұрын

What a fun game, UD mirror seems a lotm ore fun in ROC than in TFT because of destro, shop items and creeping above 5. Maybe still some mix between two that would allow you a bit more flexibility or diversity would be beneficial but definetely it's the most boring MU it wc3 for me. Somewhat like breaker wars. :D

@yandayixia 8 ай бұрын

I will comment on your every video until you do Farseer wolf -> farsight try hard build. Let them witness the vision power of the horde.

@ivanmarkoski682 7 ай бұрын

tbf for a guy who still plays roc after all this years... this is mad dedication and an adiction bro respect to both of you guys

@tjmoon1857 5 ай бұрын

Yeah it's been 21 years -.-

@tyrannical3579 4 ай бұрын

he should be seen and commended.

@shellfish355 7 ай бұрын

15:44 sadly grubby didn't cancel the necropolis

@POINTS2 8 ай бұрын

The battles in ROC are more drawn out and feel more tactical than TFT. It's nice for a change a pace.

@GillesLouisReneDeleuze 8 ай бұрын

Undead shouldn't be able to heal. They're dead flesh and bones. That's canon, expansion ruined everything.

@1MpUrO 8 ай бұрын

this guy must be the king of 4utism

@drewskiwest5284 25 күн бұрын

if that's philbot that's hilarious

@fitschi3000 8 ай бұрын

more roc pls !

@SuperSirFelix 8 ай бұрын

"Philbot_au, as the name suggests, he's from Austria the land of kangaroos" coming from a non-american this mistake is so unexpected :))

@vitaliyyakovlev4148 8 ай бұрын

It's nice to see both players picking campaign race

@RichyRich2607 8 ай бұрын

whatever that means :D

@PapaHola 8 ай бұрын

I played RoC for years, and I know exactly who this guy is. I always thought he was a bit of a weirdo.

@dsqrtzdsqrtz2214 15 күн бұрын

care to explain what you mean? Who is he and why is he a weirdo?

@RichyDYupYup 7 ай бұрын

Wow, Booster LOL. I played against this guy for like a decade in RoC solo. I was Th1S.1S.RoC, made rank 1 in solo a few times in Europe.

@user-ff6wf8bg6d 6 ай бұрын

I remember you, always had FS icon, good old days...

@RichyDYupYup 6 ай бұрын

@@user-ff6wf8bg6d Yeah man! That Wyvern fast tech with FS wolf harass was unbeatable for a while. Good old days indeed. What was your account? Maybe I'll remember it.

@ST-mx4xy 8 ай бұрын

Vanilla versions of Blizzard games are the bests, some expansions are fun tho but mostly they nailed it on first version of the game (especially WoW)

@GnomesRox 8 ай бұрын

So glad you're not a game designer. What I loved about Blizzard games is their expansions improved the game so dramatically. Vanilla wow is a game littered with terrible game systems (as is with all vanilla games). Its saving grace was the huge world and quest design and guild system that made it a fun social game.

@Joshwaheazo 7 ай бұрын

Have you actually played the original non patched D2? I beat hell as a level 32 barbarian doing 300 odd damage with concentration that did zero % damage it was a joke...haha the expansion made the game waaaay better.