"I think being masculine is the most valuable currency, and all other people who do not strive to be as masculine as possible are weak and have nothing. Except for women, women can't be feminine or masculine. Women are always either too feminine or too masculine. Being masculine is the collective endgoal for EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. If you do not strive to be masculine, you are worthless." - Men

Dude is the definition of toxic masculinity. Crying like a baby because his coping mechanism was taken away.

"Some times men shouldn't act on emotions all the time and act on pure logic" ...... Angry is an emotion and this guy does not operate on logic.

​@@Maaaank Right? They contradict themselves so much in these debates

There’s no such thing as toxic masculinity tho

@@cajunking5987 There is though. It's traits that society deems masculine that wind up socially harming men. Like the guest talking about supressing emotion and than getting angry from all that pent up emotion and refusing to understand anything.

@@zenbear9952 are you braindead? Pretty sure he was angry because he was NOT suppressing his emotion of anger 💀 People experience anger regularly, without suppression of emotion. Becoming angry is literally the opposite of suppression

@@zenbear9952 there isn’t though.

@@cajunking5987 Sure just keep telling yourself that. There is positive masculinity as well like protecting the vulnerable but these red pillers don't really support things like that.

For real lol, doesn’t he have anything he should be doing at work? Must be a cushy job

​@@CharlieApples I doubt he even has a job. I wouldn't hire a manchild who has zero social skills.

​​@@CharlieApples he said he works 2 jobs for fun cuz he gets bored at home. that sounds like poverty induced depression lmfao

He got us with that one lol

my dad whose red 90% of the time thinks women are too emotional

I think he confused anecdote with antidote. Lmao.

Oh my god i think you might be right I was so confused why he veered off so suddenly to covid

@@ThatOneHomeGirl This was wiiiild lmfao

​@@ThatOneHomeGirl Oh my god 😂

He seems 16-20 to me, it was sus how he stuttered when asked his age.

No way the kid was above the age of 15

Fr. It doesn't seem like he's working too hard at his job lmao

Stoicism teaches that you need to suppress emotion but it doesn't tell you how this is even achievable. A similar philosophy/religion, Buddhism at least teaches deep meditation techniques to work through your emotions. Also these people conveniently ignore the other tenets of stoicism such as ignoring fortune and pleasure as well. I don't think they actually know what being a stoic really entails. You basically have to live like a monk

​@@zenbear9952 That seems like a miserable existence

He's operating on sheer sustained rage and outrage feelings. Zero attempt to actually understand the world around him.

@@jaimeriot1854 epitome of the “facts over feelings” crowd. Operating on pure feels when actual facts are presented.

Same, I had to check the post date when he mentioned we have free speech. Like you do know what’s going on right now right? 😅

Something tells me they're not aware of all the poets that came out of WW1. Ernest Hemingway could be the stereotype of a "masculine" man. WW1 vet, was a hunter, smoked and drank, had multiple affairs, got into fights, etc.

@@armando5846 there where tons of poets that where warriors and the fact that there was a period where poetry was seen as useless and unmanly is wild. But it happened.

Mmmhmm. But see he’s “very busy with 2 jobs”, so he doesn’t have time to listen. Only seethe.

Half the people that do these debates only come on to preach. They just want to get their talking points out

He’s not gonna have that job for long if he spends his time at work calling in to debate streams to complain about women

​@@CharlieApples Yeah, imagine having to be the manager to see this dude seethe at his station over the security cams

Me too! I imagine that he has a very punchable face... then I imagined punching it 😅

They refuse to accept the fact that liberal and left are two different things lmaooooooo. I can't tell you how many times I was called a liberal, just because I said we shouldn't kill minority groups, just because another group of people want them gone. Makes me a libby lib I guess

send him straight into AP studio art and tell him to score at least a B on his portfolio

make him figure out Clip Studio Paint lmao

@@TEETHHHHH lmaooooo

@@TEETHHHHH wait no make him figure out gimp

Art inspires people to think and act. This guy is just too basic to understand it's importance and influence all throughout literally every society in all of history

Cities and buildings and clothes and types of entertainment would be so ugly, generic, boring and uninspiring in a world without art.

There is mp dumber take than pretending art is a negative. The kid would struggle to point to a single thing that didnt require an artist in some part of it.

Okay you got me at the end there. I wheezed

Anger does not register as a real emotion to these guys... which is very worrying.

His angry little brother

he has that douche laugh

Dude definitely had a shit life and does NOT have two jobs. You know you are talking to an idiot when they try and pretend the money they make is relevant.

Ive been told im not a real man many times… so i guess i dont know what i am 🤷🏽‍♂️ I wouldnt call myself a woman, but this screeching child demanding im not a man so… what to do, what to do?

Dude did seem to be admitting he has no friends.

It should be noted that while it is true that the WNBA has been subsidized historically, it has grown massively in the last few years. The WNBA had a revenue of 180-200 million dollars in 2023, up from just over 100 million in 2019. Additionally, their media rights deals are coming up for renegotiation in 2025. The WNBA is in a much stronger position compared to when the last deal was made. Combine that with the massive popularity of certain players like Clark and Wilson and I expect a lot more money and growth in the foreseeable future.

⁠@@austin7761oh yeah great points, didn’t know about the media renegotiations!

Men: I’m passionate about [sport], I could watch it all day. It never gets old. Also men: I don’t want to watch women’s [league of the sport].

Also, Mia Hamm broke the world record for most goals in a season by any soccer/football player while playing on an astroturf field, because women’s soccer teams are forced to play on artificial turf to cut costs for the league organizers. Then her protégés also broke Hamm’s record, also on artificial turf. It’s sad the concessions such phenomenal athletes are forced to accept, just because they’re women.

Get women to watch it. They have no problem watching Victoria Secret Fashion Show, Keeping Up With The Kardashians, Real Housewives of _________________, Love Island, and the NFL when Taylor Swift is there. Hell, Women's Tennis is one of the most lucrative and watched sports out there. So female viewership is there, so they should start viewing the WNBA if they want. This is not men's responsibility to elevate women in viewership. Although I think this could change with Caitlyn Clarke and Angel Reese coming into the fold.

As a fellow Australian, that kinda shocks me. I'd be sure the good European ones would be higher.

I don’t think he is gonna vote for trump

@@Wesfkgkejeifnr no, but he has stated he plans on voting third party, which is essentially a trump vote

“IS a real thing without toxic masculinity…” have no idea what this means. It just too wild that we cant address a problem because it doesnt solve all problems at the same time.

This is debunked by listening to the points made describing point by point how its systemic and how it directly effects men’s health.

This of course is mostly debunked by paying attention to what is being said instead of pretending Jovan was interrupting in the same way. You cant point to Jovan interrupting in order to bring the convo back from the caller’s deflection and pretend its the same as the caller interrupting in the middler of Jovan trying to respond to the caller. Lets not embarrass ourself pretending Jovan gets all that “upset.” I mean calmly asking why are you interrupting me is not something any rational person would look at and pretend he is actually “upset.”

7:04 😂 He didn’t say oppression of emotions - he said “suck it up” I really wish softskinned people would just get this right. Yes, there’s some people who misuse this to mean “ignore your emotions” 😅 no, that’s not the only thing it means and neither did the caller use it in that manner The caller said didn’t say “oppress your emotions” - when you’re in danger and the “flight or fight” response kicks in, you want to oppress your emotions and act rationally Listen to the caller’s context at 5:04 he literally says “give men a hug” and tries to do the hard thing of having a nuanced conversation with a talking head 🗣️

​@@iamthatis3587 Do you mean "suppressed?" And these comments are wild, brother. Did you watch the whole video?

@@_JustJoe yup My summary: an asshole pretends to be nice while an unstable person was pushed to their limits. Neither person listened to what the other had to say What’s wild about my comments?

@@iamthatis3587so nobody who watches Jovan would pretend he is an asshole who pretends to be nice. The only people who say that (as the cowards pop up every once and a while under his videos making the same claims) are people who got emotionally invested in being wrong about the subject. Whats fun is Jovan is known for either matching the energy given to him first, or being calmer than the caller. Its pathetic to pretend “he was mean” was any real criticism. Nobody takes these non-criticisms seriously as its completely based in your personal emotional reaction. The convo started with “you are the definition of non-masculine” so pretending Jovan was not being nice, is meaningless to any points made. Nobody is dumb enough to pretend Jovan didnt listen to the other guy when he repeated the other guy’s points when responding. This is what we call the “fake centrist” misdirection. People who pretend to be logical by faking a centrist take by lying about interactions like this debate. The caller admitted to not listening and Jovan proved he was listening. Your comment is pathetic