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In this Gripe we discuss not only the problems with published suppressor metering data and why you cannot compare different cans directly using each manufacturers data, but also instances where completely erroneous data is published and advertised as gospel and where claims of being the "quietest" are made but no solid data is provided to back those claims up. Stay tuned, much more on the way.
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@MeconiumStorm 5 жыл бұрын

The use of the suppressed gunshot to bleep the swearing was perfect.

@wolfwind9658 5 жыл бұрын

A highly niche gripe. Depending on how the GOA's challenge to the NFA goes. By the way join GOA and consider making a donation.

@Mr.9x19mm 5 жыл бұрын

Done! -GOA Member

@wolfwind9658 5 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.9x19mm I'm looking into suppressing and I really hope they win so i can have papperwork free cans.

@echosreloadingchamber7306 5 жыл бұрын

Call your state and federal Representatives be polite but Stern and tell them that's suppressors are for hearing protection and safe Firearms usage. And yes go ahead and join the g o a. Great review I knew that kind of thing was going on you can tell just by reading the numbers on some of these cans and you're like that's either the most sophisticated thing in the world or they're full of BS.

@wolfwind9658 5 жыл бұрын

@@echosreloadingchamber7306 one already wrote back and says he is proud to pass gun control and is looking to pass more. The NRA still gives him an A ranking. I believe the future of gun rights is non compliance and lawsuits.

@SomeJustice19k 5 жыл бұрын

@@wolfwind9658, it's easy to get/own a paper free can... They just aren't legal. Lol

@gulfgunner9829 5 жыл бұрын

why dont yall just do an all around top 5 supressor for rifles and top 5 for pistols.

@COIcultist 5 жыл бұрын

Well you know where that will go if they do a comparative test! Point for Chad. On the subject of silencers/suppressors/ moderators I think saying that *"You want the best bang for your buck"* might just be a mixed metaphor.

@chris3383 5 жыл бұрын

I agree but I don't want to know bang for buck category . I want to know what the lowest db can is for X caliber.

@iangrogan5261 5 жыл бұрын

I’m a recent subscriber to you guys. I’m a lifetime libertarian and supporter of the 2A (and constitution as a whole), but I’m a new gun owner/enthusiast. I finally decided it’s better to be a gun owner AND 2A advocate, rather than just the later. I spent a few hours today watching your Gun Gripes from the past where you discussed gun rights, politics, gun lobbying, etc. I couldn’t agree anymore that is is absolutely our civic duty to make our voices heard and reach out to our elected officials. I just joined GOA as of today after seeing one of your Gun Gripes where y’all got off track discussing the NRA vs GOA, and I was impressed with the “no compromise” rhetoric of the GOA, hence why I joined. I was hoping you guys could maybe do a Gun Gripes video on how to get more involved with 2A advocacy. Maybe you already have and I just haven’t seen it yet. I’d be interested in learning how to do more than just donate annually or monthly. I fear growing complacent by simply donating, when I know for a fact there is more that could be done. So if you guys read any of this I know I would be interested in a video on this topic and I’m sure other viewers would be too. Love the channel, keep up the great videos!

@wierdalien1 5 жыл бұрын

I love these, chad flexing his brain.

@ricciisreal5773 5 жыл бұрын

Alistair Shaw That’s okay Chad, we promise to still respect you in the morning.

@oldgoblin6976 5 жыл бұрын

You can smell it.

@SuperUncleRyan 5 жыл бұрын

"Don't claim to be a scientist if you're not!" Attn Bill Nye!!

@DisappointedScrosh 5 жыл бұрын

Cajun Swamp Fox really hurts my childhood feels but damn it you’re right

@David-xl8bt 5 жыл бұрын

But he’s a scientist...Ted Nugent, for example, is not.

@SuperUncleRyan 5 жыл бұрын

@@David-xl8bt Bill Nye is an engineer, no more qualified to speak on climate than Ted Nugent. And a Ted Nugent turd is more American than Bill Nye.

@anthonygonzales6029 5 жыл бұрын

@@David-xl8bt you idiot. Saying someone is or isnt a scientist means you know nothing about science. Anyone who uses the scientific method correctly is a scientist. Nobody has a professional title of being a "scientist"

@blacksnow150 5 жыл бұрын

surely with a suppressor you would want the least bang for your buck :)

@stephenstewart1196 5 жыл бұрын

See what you did there

@ryank8261 5 жыл бұрын

But the movies advertise a pillow at 30 db!

@Barty.Crowell 5 жыл бұрын

Finally getting notifications from you guys for the first time in over a year

@flipeverything2734 5 жыл бұрын

Chad is one of my favorite gun nerds. I always respect guys that collect their own data and are skeptical of manufacturers data

@Sheppard2030 5 жыл бұрын

I would love to have a number of suppressors because all possible measures to protect my hearing are welcome. I just can't afford it. Maybe someday. This is a truly dumb NFA restriction.

@zacmorgenstern7370 5 жыл бұрын

People in most other countires can have supressors but no guns! Count your blessings...

@toki89666 5 жыл бұрын

All NFA laws are dumb. Id say the barrel length restructions are even dumber than the suppressor ones.

@cardiffpicker1 5 жыл бұрын

@@zacmorgenstern7370 thats not true

@linkbond08 5 жыл бұрын

Congrats on the 2m sub Mark

@jarede3403 5 жыл бұрын

This and so much more. I used to be the “find the lowest db can out there” but it takes research, time and understanding the science of what goes on with the gun and can as you said.

@Nicholas.m777 5 жыл бұрын

I have alot of respect for Chad's loyalty to the channel

@sparkplug1018 5 жыл бұрын

This was an interesting video, keep them coming. Waiting form my form to come back for my Griffen Armament Optimus, should be another month or 2.

@scottka 5 жыл бұрын

Great Job Guys. Keep it up.

@1BXB 5 жыл бұрын

Great information in this video. Where can I look for a reliable comparison of metering results from suppressors? I see a lot of postings but is there some particular ones to depend on?

@whitetrashpodcast6162 5 жыл бұрын

Next Gun Gripe, Missouri is now trying to get SB 367 in and passed. A bill utilizing our 10th amendment to protect our 2nd amendment rights. Getting your help to get as many people as possible behind this (even people not living in missouri) would be tremendously appreciated, as we feel passing this bill could lead the way to real change for other states to follow. P.s. Yes we are a comedy podcast and we dont really make videos, but we do love our state and even more so the rights of every American. Thank you for the content you provide, keep up the great work.

@jerryschneider145 5 жыл бұрын

Scientific standards and data collection=RIGHT ON, KEEP IT UP!!

@CodeyMcewen 5 жыл бұрын

We love you Chad, you're doing great.

@carltonoliver8610 5 жыл бұрын

Very informative and true, one question have you checked out Rebel silencers. I have seen some guys testing out that design for years down under. would really like to see you do a test on it.

@BattleChemist 5 жыл бұрын

Love the shout out to 6.5 Grendel near the end there. I really want to get a can for my Radical Firearms 24" build, so will have to look at that Liberty Mystic (sp?). I'm heavily leaning towards the OSS Helix after watching Tim at MAC's video on 'at the ear' semiauto testing with it.

@brackmard4214 5 жыл бұрын

Great video !!

@marshallman45 5 жыл бұрын

Grate vid guys love the guns love the mate ship good on you guys

@PracticallySquared1 5 жыл бұрын

Great video! I agree on a lot of this. I honestly think most people pay too much attention to DB numbers. My priorities are : Durablity (I want a fairly durable can being that NFA is essentially a for life investment) but fairly lightweight. I don’t like the filly rifle titanium cans. My favorite rifle can is the Nomad, my favorite pistol can is the Obsidian’s, my favorite sub gun can is the Omega 9k, and I like the mask for all around 22 use. But the aac element 2 is a great dedicated 22 pistol can.

@kenhelmers2603 5 жыл бұрын

Chad - you keep on doing what you do! :)

@daveb1870 5 жыл бұрын

I was at moss gun and pawn. Was hoping to meet yall. One fella said that yall only work there from time to time.

@longrangehunter6393 5 жыл бұрын

As someone looking to bring some suppressors to market next year, I absolutely agree. I intended to be as transparent as possible on materials used in the can, testing data, and the engineering behind a suppressor design.

@Zaku186 5 жыл бұрын

Id like to hear you go very in depth with this stuff.

@hamm6035 5 жыл бұрын

Chad I understand your pain. I still have not purchased a suppressor because of just what you are saying. I have a very expensive barrel for Glock just for the suppressor. Honestly until there is an event where I can hear, feel the weight, and compare size, I'm not going through the quest to purchase. I'm waiting on my birthday mancan because it's my favorite present on my favorite day, and my favorite way to donate to the cause? THANKS GUYS!

@Millennial_marksman 5 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget that some companies have used “trick” ammo to test their cans. This is why I have looked to old SWR/now RMS2, old AAC, and Dead Air because they test with ammo available at Walmart, not hush, discreet ballistics or any other sub-sonic “trick ammo”

@timothymaynard862 5 жыл бұрын

You guys are great and if I’m looking for “numbers” in any category you are who I turn to. On that not I have a 6.5creed ruger predator and a 5.56 AR what is y’alls opinion the best for both. They are my only suppressor hosts.

@Falconguygaming 5 жыл бұрын

Do you have any experience with the gemtech patrolman? Looks like a decent can but I can't seem to find anything on it. Thanks

@MrBrad1982 5 жыл бұрын

What hoodie is Chad wearing? It doesn't match the one in the IV8888 apparel section. Thanks.

@billysharp6194 5 жыл бұрын

The thing that always gets me about suppressors in the USA is the price. In the UK the prices are way lower. Now obviously I realise that not all suppresors are equal for example the materials used in construction and the features included in some cans but the prices are way above what we would pay.

@Spushed 5 жыл бұрын

To fully understand noise level between 1 decibel we’ll look at car audio. Say you had a nice sound system installed and you go to check you dB for SPL (sound pressure level) competition. Your test shows you put out 150 dB. In order for you to gain ONE DECIBLE, you either have to DOUBLE your wattage output from your amplifiers OR DOUBLE the surface area of your speakers (double the number of sub woofers.) So, now that you understand this, half a decible is a big deal. Sound is sound no matter which medium is chosen to make it or suppress it.

@brentwinkelman1990 5 жыл бұрын

I own a dead air mask love it! Looking to get a second 22lr can. What's your opinion on the Silencerco switchback? First round pop on the switchback vs mask? Kinda important to me when it come to squirrel/small game hunting. Thanks

@tim18wheels76 5 жыл бұрын

While we are on the subject of measuring sound, how about talking about loud muzzle brakes. There is a gun gripes episode for ya! The subject is more complicated than first it may appear. Might be worth a range episode and a gun gripes episode. The subject matter could expound on how to measure sound, redirection of sound, 80s muzzle breaks being reclassified as suppressors, NFA, and S 817 bill.

@PipeDaddy907 5 жыл бұрын

I wanna know what you guys think about the new version of the HPA that just got introduced

@donovanbroadway7702 5 жыл бұрын

I want to see y'all do a video of your favorite suppressors. Pistol caliber and rifle caliber.

@corybrown8422 5 жыл бұрын

Saw a m2 browning suppressor vid where they were getting 110dbs on the reading lmao. And I said there was no damn way. The guy argued with me and said it was fact he was there. All I could do was laugh.

@joemo1033 5 жыл бұрын

Wtf...was the suppressor 20ft long and being shot thru a pillow truck? 110db...GTFOH

@corybrown8422 5 жыл бұрын

@@joemo1033 I linked it vid the suppressor was not that big at all lol. It was a damn joke man. You could literally hear the echo off the hills. But yea hearing safe lol.

@RcB_1985 5 жыл бұрын

Sweet vid

@danielpetty1059 5 жыл бұрын

suppressing cusses with the coolest sound ever. Rock on Guys!

@jeandrephilip3738 5 жыл бұрын

If this is a stupid question dont kill me....but why is the gun gripes not in the shop anymore

@jaycoy59 5 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see you guys build and test some suppressors from "solvent traps". If the tax stamp is purchased, and paperwork done correctly, they are legal. And way cheaper than off the shelf stuff.

@johnnewtoniv1637 5 жыл бұрын

I would like to add the frequency of the sound makes a huge difference in perceived loudness, 135db at a higher pitch will sound much louder than 135db at a lower pitch

@bull165100 5 жыл бұрын

You two spending too much time together, you're starting to look alike!

@blopjones1665 5 жыл бұрын

bull165100 they even hold their hands the same lol

@leathery420 5 жыл бұрын

I mean it was bound to happen. There is a picture of them on the internet like 15-20 years ago with all their shit getting ready to go shooting it's hilarious. They are BFFs.

@jordanhays732 5 жыл бұрын

Do a short video on suppressor tone

@americanfarmer2779 5 жыл бұрын

Ahh good old gun gripes 😁👍

@rickrn2 5 жыл бұрын

Heard anymore about suppressors becoming legal and readily available without tax stamps ?

@BK-zv9kn 5 жыл бұрын

The answer is right in front of us guys..... Let Chad do all the numbers, Eric you just give us a Go or No Go for that particular model, and that's all the info we need.

@ZethGearTech 5 жыл бұрын

I thought the military standard changed to measuring 6" from the shooters ear. Which is important because a lot of guns are loader for the shooter than at the muzzle due to the added back pressure of the suppressor.

@aaronfarnsworth7653 5 жыл бұрын

Perhaps there is data already collected in other testing that would give a relative "standard' for the sonic footprint of a particular bullet. I'm thinking fluid dynamics ballistic coefficient type research where a controlled supersonic footprint of any particular design could be documented. Complete with varied atmospheric conditions. Issue cartridges may have had such research done on the bullet itself with a supersonic wind tunnel? Then it could be said with absolute certainty that a particular bullet design/caliber under a chosen velocity and atmospheric condition will always have a 'crack' at a certain decibel level. Any decibel reading above that in live fire testing would show the inefficiency of a particular suppressor design at capturing muzzle blast with a particular cartridge/rifle.

@papajon-1000 5 жыл бұрын

An you do a gun gripe on 922r? I think that may help a few people.

@johnmorgan1629 5 жыл бұрын

Embroidered knives, those are what we need in the UK to make the streets a bit safer.

@gerneticut 5 жыл бұрын

Someone will use steel wool and the their victim will get scratched

@Paledaddy 5 жыл бұрын

Check the Q & A ** podcast (KB) some talk about this meter and the issues with having a ”correct” certifiering one. Sparparts and so on. Love the channel guys 👌

@sethshay285 5 жыл бұрын

how about doing a head to head competition of Ar 15 suppressors

@CNT12696 5 жыл бұрын

I thought that with the new CSASS program they were changing the metering location to 6" off the shooters ear

@shallNOTbeinfringed-vp9wo 5 жыл бұрын

Great video guys, I have to disagree with y'all on one point. If joe blow is excited about getting into suppressors and wants to get a Amazon sound meter to measure his new can, I say go for it! And tell your buddies what can you got and and what instrument you are using to measure how well it works. If it is going to get them into being silencer owners or heck, maybe even gun owners we should be telling them to go for it. Just make sure when you are telling others about your findings, let them know what you used, and how you,gathered it. We should not be running them off by telling them not to mention how much or how quite there can is unless they have spent a ton of money on super fancy sound meters.

@richb.4374 5 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it be easier and eliminate the weather variables if you did the sound testing at an indoor range?

@Stevarooni 5 жыл бұрын

It would be more consistent, true, but still not be the same as when someone else shot indoors with different dimensions.

@elpibe3514 5 жыл бұрын

Make a top rounds for suppression Like 45 acp or 9x39mm

@jacobupson3676 5 жыл бұрын

sweet video

@aaronhughey2134 5 жыл бұрын

You have my attention chad

@JustinMeekhof 5 жыл бұрын

"You are sciencing" -Eric's greatest quote of all time. Also I don't care what these two humble gentlemen say about themselves not being scientists, in my book they have a gun and ammunition PhD. IV8888 is the GOAT of gun channels and you can't change my mind.

@robertchalk8884 5 жыл бұрын

7:10 gotta have that suppressed gunshot to mask that fcc violation

@4arrowsarmory335 5 жыл бұрын

Quietest .45 can with 3 lug that also works great on 9mm?

@jakedunning9995 5 жыл бұрын

Haha, the suppressed gunshot to bleep "chaps my ass". Priceless....

@gardosalazar9127 5 жыл бұрын

What bothers me about silencers is the extortion tax and the gauging prices.

@kellylynch5113 5 жыл бұрын

I have a video idea for you, why don’t you do top five silencers for hunters. I have a 30-06 that I want to take hunting, and it has a threaded barrel, but no real data to go on as to what my best choice would be.

@BooDamnHoo 5 жыл бұрын

What, can't you just use a "decibel meter" app on your smartphone? :)

@gfdfperte4248 5 жыл бұрын

yes you can but what is the point?

@joshglover2370 5 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that existed. I'm going to try it just for fun!

@BooDamnHoo 5 жыл бұрын

@@gfdfperte4248 Talk about bogus and inaccurate, a decibel meter phone app is useless above voice level sounds. The mic dynamic range cannot handle gunshot levels. It was a joke.

@ricciisreal5773 5 жыл бұрын

What kind of cartridge discharge noise does a smartphone emit?

@aegismerc9718 5 жыл бұрын

Do suppressors perform different audibly on bolt action rifles compared to semiautomatic?

@SwornHeresy 5 жыл бұрын

Yes. On a semi automatic gun, you will hear the bolt cycling, which can be loud. A bolt gun or lever action are the best if you want the gun to be as quiet as possible/shoot without ear pro.

@orion2250 5 жыл бұрын

Redneck suppression ...used my 78 LTD muffler with a bipod mount and oil filter adaptor to mount the rifle to it...

@MrSnowman7669 5 жыл бұрын

Has anyone here ordered a hoodie from these guys? Are the sizes true? Should I order a size up? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

@GhostRiderUSA 5 жыл бұрын

I ordered my first MEGA man can for march. When will they ship?

@FishFind3000 5 жыл бұрын

Ghost Rider never

@iainsmith6643 5 жыл бұрын

Very informative . Good to see you chilled . Stay off the politics guys much better for you much less stress. AHH well

@TJF1GH 5 жыл бұрын

I am still waiting for my can... I filed for mine last July

@Jiml3ob 5 жыл бұрын

Here's my gripe ........i have to give up all my semi's. Thanks New Zealand government.

@cardiffpicker1 5 жыл бұрын

Are they banning everything including .22

@Jiml3ob 5 жыл бұрын

@@cardiffpicker1 no, they are classified as a"rabbit gun" 10/22 all good. AR's, ak's even the SKS, band.

@cardiffpicker1 5 жыл бұрын

@@Jiml3ob what about .22 AR or 17hmr, will straight pull be allowed.

@Jiml3ob 5 жыл бұрын

@@cardiffpicker1 not sure about that......

@Jiml3ob 5 жыл бұрын

Just heard now that we can keep the SKS...SWEET!! Love my SKS's

@gerryk3114 5 жыл бұрын

If the industry would truly adopt a standard way to measure cans, I think more people would get involved in buying them !!! But because of everything You Guys mentioned, Why would I go through all that trouble to buy CRAP ??

@michaelragains4938 5 жыл бұрын

Most ppl just dont understand or comprehend sound reduction. They dont realize how loud something is and where it becomes dangerous. Use examples of sound that ppl w/o access to a suppressor can identify.

@TheWolfsnack 5 жыл бұрын

reading the information on metering requirements makes me think of cops holding a measuring device three inches from my Harley's exhaust....

@evann1136 5 жыл бұрын

Do twist rates

@elidennison9902 5 жыл бұрын

Make a comprehensive list of all the suppressors you have and how much they reduce the DB on the same platform and ammo! Take 30cal cans and test the piss out of them Shouldn't be hard to find several 30 cal bolt guns chambered In different cartridges with similar barrel lengths laying around Y'alls shop. Make a KZfaq video series of it. Or get multiple people out on the same day to swap cans and rifles to eliminate as many variables as possible and get it done in one day.

@johnvogel4645 5 жыл бұрын

People are not happy unless they are unhappy

@christianthomsen9701 5 жыл бұрын

DO A RUGER AR-556 MELTDOWN

@WarBeardMotoVlogs 5 жыл бұрын

My local dealer just got their class 3 and just started carrying suppressors. I swear I'm gonna go broke soon. lmao

@terranceriggs578 5 жыл бұрын

I agree all I care about is does it work for me

@tg94702 5 жыл бұрын

What is a mancan?

@Unit38 5 жыл бұрын

That damned thing looks like it came from a 1950's Proctologist's office.

@chubbethsthunder 5 жыл бұрын

I have been watching your videos for years and I truly appreciate your videos, especially the Gun Gripes. When it comes to the Second Amendment this quote says it best."We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." ― Benjamin Franklin

@jasondenny7267 5 жыл бұрын

Will you make a video regarding what we should do when they outlaw, begin air quotes "military styled weapons" ? Also what our responsibility in this modern age should be in protecting our most precious ancient relic the United States Constitution.

@chris3383 5 жыл бұрын

That's why I haven't bought a can yet if I'm going to spend that much money I want the lowest DB possible If I'm going to buy one I shouldn't have to use any kind on hearing protection

@COMB0RICO 5 жыл бұрын

KZfaq is suppressing y'all big time. It's been like a year or more since I have seen one of your videos in my subscription updates. Bastards. I'll just try to catch up. Thanks from Texas.

@BrassCatcher 5 жыл бұрын

Is Chad turning into Eric? You two look like brothers in this video

@liljackypaper 5 жыл бұрын

Seriously.. It's like they are morphing into one person. Creepy AF 😂

@billarevalo8782 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words Chad! Keep up the good work and keep on metering ! NFATALK.org

@ArtisanTony 5 жыл бұрын

We need truth in suppressing laws :) sounds funny

@David-xl8bt 5 жыл бұрын

Alright guys today were going to discuss an issue that I thought of while taking a dump last night.

@adriankline80 5 жыл бұрын

Love gun gripes like this ,not as much political and more fun and relaxed

@chaz720 5 жыл бұрын

Regarding the comment at 6:41, I'll start by saying that I agree 0.5 dB (when talking about audio) is not a lot in terms of perception, most people can only tell the difference between steps of around 1 dB. That said, dB is already a relative number, much like percentage, so saying "tenths of a percent of a change in dB" is... not very meaningful. For example, the difference between 5% and 15% is not 300%... it's 10%. Similarly, the difference between 50 dB and 50.5 dB, between 100 dB and 100.5 dB, and between 150 dB and 150.5 dB are not 1%, 0.5%, and 0.33% respectively; all of those are a difference of 10^(0.5/10) - 1 = 12% That said, nice meter. I recognize that Brüel & Kjær green color anywhere.

@chaz720 5 жыл бұрын

The rest of the video, btw, was good stuff. NSR is a fantastic measure because, while not completely equivalent, it's very comparable to NPR ratings for ear plugs and headsets.

@Mr4iron4 5 жыл бұрын

I have a gun grip! Fix your web site so that the account can be managed. ie. Change billing stuff thanks

@Ratkill9000 5 жыл бұрын

The horsepower comparison with suppressor data is dead on. Every dyno is different and not all engines are rated the same way. Yes there are standards on how to do it, but standards be damned when it comes time to sell the cars.