And he got only 30kw power ionity should reimburse half the price

Ionity needs to be named and shamed for that.

Yeah, it was funny here. But imagine people being made to be late by an hour, and charged 4* the price (£30) for it. Shame on ionity. They should listen to the reviews and send people out right away for the prices they charge.

Electric is the stupidest compromise to gasoline. The car costs 3 times as much. The trip takes 5 times as much and the charging, if you can find a charger costs 5 times as much. I'm thinking that the carbon foot print will be more than 2 times as much. Think of the energy taken to produce this crap and the waiting lines for charging, the cost of a tow if you run down to 0%. Walking would be healthier than this for everyone. Think about how long your cell phone takes to charge and it fits in your pocket. Propane and natural gas are abundant and burned off in the production of fuel and oils. Why can't we use those alternatives. They burn 99% clean. If we go electric all of the way, the only way to produce the power capacity is to 100% nuclear. No one thinks that far ahead though, do they. Maybe a wind farm the size of the Sahara desert might work....hmm...

@@twoweelr LOL that was insane dump of idiocy. "Walking would be healthier than this" have fun walking 1000 kilometers. This specific Car and Level 3 Charging has massive problems that other BEVs do not have. It has no relevance to many other BEVs who can easily do that trip without much hassle. You have no clue about energy and fuel consumption reality. Nothing was technically accurate instead a bunch of false rumors and false assumptions. Fact is BEVs over their service life of 300,000 Miles. Even on UK DIRTY Grid Mix, consumes HALF 1/2 the resources of ICE and way less Toxic waste. Fact is Polycyclic Aromatic Hydro Carbons PAHs, an important fraction of Crude Oil. Is several times more toxic based on LD50 than anything in Lithium Ion Batteries. Nothing you said has any scientific reasoning, just idiotic ideology.

@Bercilak de hautdesert Yep that's what happens when you have Borked Charging Network and car with low real world range. Your diesel car and other long range electric cars are not relevant to this case. Do not try to insinuate this is relevant to other cars.

you are so true, i saw a video of tesla cars queing up at a tesla charging station and the que was 60 cars long, and there were 12 cars already charging.

Yup, get to the charger and find an diesel truck parked in the charging spot because he is too lazy to walk an extra 20 feet. I love it when somebody parks in front of the gas pump then goes inside for an hour long leisurely lunch.

The fun one is you can put your car on for a one hour charge. Go to the pub for lunch.. come back and it isn't charged.. there's an app you can get. That stops the charger. So if you turn up, all charger are used. You disable one charger, connect to your car. Charge up. Then drive away.. leaving the unattended car flat.. 🤪

@Bercilak de hautdesert Are you taking into account everyone that currrently uses a pump and could now charge at home 99% of the time on electric.

And the older your banger gets the more green it effectively becomes.

@@alabar9795 No; the older it gets, the dirtier it becomes. It's spewing out pollutants from its exhaust all the time it is being run. An EV equals the total pollution (including manufacture of all components) of a Diesel car after an estimated 1610 miles, and after that it becomes less and less polluting, compared to any fossil fuelled car. By the end of the life of each car, the Diesel or petrol burner fares really badly in terms of total pollution. The battery should last longer than the average the life of the car nowadays, and it is almost completely recyclable. But before being recycled, it can also be repurposed for static energy storage. You cannot do that easily with a worn out Diesel engine. The electric motor only has one moving part, and is designed to be both efficient (up to 95% for some, and 90% for others) and very reliable. An internal combustion or compression ignition engine requires a lot more maintenance, and frequent replacement of both engine parts and ancillary component parts. These might be clutch, spark plugs, cables, water pumps, carburettors, fuel pumps, alternators, drive belts, gaskets, valve seats, ignition coils, thermostats, hoses, pistons, etc. Most of those components don't even exist around an electric motor. In an EV, there are motor, battery, battery management system, coolant system and motor controller. There is no clutch, usually only one fixed gear, and some form of driveshaft. That's it. Check out Fully Charged Show, where they made a video a few months ago, in which they quote references for that 1600 miles statement.

​@@RWBHere I think it's more the fact that the production of a new car causes so much pollution that running an old car into the ground is still more eco-friendly.

yup, sticking with my 10 year old 1.6 diesel, £20 a year tax and high 40s - low 50s mpg around town, shove the EVs where the sun doesn’t shine

Absolute nonsense. Not long ago, I did a 520 mile round trip in my Kia. I stopped just once to charge, for less than an hour. That's it. A 520 mile trip on just one charge. I charged again - overnight on the EV rate - once I got home. Not a problem. The average UK motorway journey is now 70 to 80 miles, and the average commute is 20.8 miles. It is usually two or three times a year (at most) that most people will drive 200 miles or more all in one hit. Trevor, the 2 guys who, in 2016, drove a Nissan Leaf from John O Groats to Lands end - and back again - in 48 hours didn't seem to have an issue. The same two guys also took a BMW i3 from Edinburgh to Monte Carlo in 60 hours. And they topped it all off by entering the Mongolian Rally with a rally prepared Nissan Leaf. A long time ago, people held odd perceptions too, It was thought impossible to fly or ever travel faster than 30mph. Also, maybe as an afterthought, you ought to watch the KZfaq video of the guy who travelled from Scotland to his holiday destination in Cornwall, driving his Tesla. A distance of 620 miles, covered with only two stops to charge. One being 65 minutes, the other being 25 minutes. How long might you stop for during a 620 mile drive? If Guy Martin had done just a little bit of research, and used his card correctly ( Hyundai drivers are entitled to use the Ionity Charge Network at 25p per kw instead of the usual 70p per kw), then he could have considerably reduced both his charging costs, plus his journey time........

What was the problem?

@@Brian-om2hh Have you ever tried to calculate what the cost is to do a full charge from home? I'm curious as to how it compares to the expensive charger at Gretna Green services. Also will most electric cars take a full charge from a single overnight charge at home? I know I could look this up but I prefer to ask an actual owner and user who has first hand experience👍thanks

@@Brian-om2hh Our vehicle did half of the claimed mileage and three charging points we tried to use in London didn't work. Our local charging station only allows you to charge for one hour and I was surprised at how expensive it was. I have much better things to do than drive round trying to find an operable charging point and wasting an hour or so waiting for the equivalent of paint to dry. As for the driving experience it was beyond bland

@@Brian-om2hh My Audi A6 will do 1000 miles on a tank of diesel and I don't have to have been in the army to organise the logistics of where I need to stop for lunch or my options for visiting the little boy's room. I know it's a question of getting to know an entirely different system but until the infrastructure improves by at least 500% I'm not even going to think about it. Don't even get me started on working out which hotels provide charging facilities and which don't.

What is the point of clamping it? Then it continues to block the space; tow/lift it.

The problem there is that the Government don't own or run the chargers. Most are owned and run by private companies.

Yes, because what would better entice entrepreneurs to invest megabucks in building more charging stations than a goverment fining them for broken hardware on top of the nonexistent profit to be earned. What a socialist way of thinking.

YUP taxpayer money given to corporations that dont respect their obligations , what else is new..

But ICE engines are only around 25% efficient the rest is noise, heat, transmission/mechanical loss, pollution... it`s like paying £100 for only £25 worth of fuel/travel...

Yep for process that you should avoid as much as possible. Level 3 Dc Fast Charging should be avoided as much as possible. Normal Daily use should be done on much cheaper Level 2 Charging. Even public paid Level 2 where you park for hours doing other stuff. Is much cheaper than Petrol.

3p a mile if you charge at home ... Ionity price is the same as buying petrol per mile

@@julesdingle Paid Public L2 Charging would be something around 6-10p a mile.

my golf R is cheaper per mile

@@davidharrison9732 No it's not. Your Golf R is just 2x the price per mile of charging on Public Paid Level 2. I'm going to ignore home charging for people who do not have that luxury which is even cheaper. Golf R is downright expensive to fuel compared to BEVs.

When will he do the journey again in a proper EV from Tesla? No charger fails and small cost. Infrastructure for non-Teslas is woefully inadequate in the UK

@@krishampton7060 I second your comment 👍👍👍😜🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🦕🙂🤞✌

Tesla would be fine and with a bit more planning Guy would've probably been fine. Apps like plugshare and zapmap show which chargers are working and the costs involved. Still, obviously a bit of infrastructure work still to happen for non Tesla EVs, if it's going to be as easy as petrol or diesel.

@@krishampton7060 LOL are you kidding me. No it was be a walk in a park with a Tesla.

@@krishampton7060 I’ve driven everywhere in my Tesla with no problems charging due to the Supercharger network. I’ve been all across the country and even drove to Norway covering 3,000 miles in 10 days on holiday.

FALSE! This is Level 3 DC Fast Charging. You are not supposed to use Level 3 as your primary method of charging. Level 2 Charging is easily 1/2 the price of Diesel.

Ionity are extremely expensive (unless you buy a car from the manufacturers building it). Gridserve for example charge 24p kw. and have big plans to not only expand the charging network, but also make it reliable and cost effective. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNV-Z7p01dvceI0.html&ab_channel=FullyChargedShow Of course in a Tesla, this journey would have been a piece of cake.

@@Neojhun At this time.

If you charge on Ionity then you'll pay through the nose because it's supposed to be fast. I have a Renault Zoe GTline, I can drive from Northamptonshire where I live to Aberystwyth in Wales for £2.40. How you may ask, I charge the car overnight on my cheap night rate. Then stop off midway at one of the many free 22kW chargers at Tesco's supermarkets.

@@Neojhun The point is that it s maybe self explanatory for those who are in to electric cars but i doubt that most people would know all ins and outs, and also the fact that half of the charging station he wanted to use where out of order. I recon we got another 10 years at least before we are going to be ready with infrastructure for electric vehicles!

I'm guessing either that or a constant stream of people doing 40mph on the highway, getting passed by people doing 44

the range difference is small- test drove the ID3 and motorway driving was 3.5 miles to the kWh and town was 4.1 miles to kWh.. the issue is the network.. did find a 100 kW charger- it had a software fault, customer service over rode the problem and gave us free electricity.

@@tSp289 I recently did the Highland NC500 and currently there are enough charging stations to happily do a remote route.

It's not a big deal in places where ther electricity is cheap and chargers are plentifull. My dad drives the same kind of car and has no worries. Charging in 20 minutes anywhere. Canada, where you can drive an electric car cheaper than petrol every time. We have plenty of free chargers for public use at parks and public spaces.

@@kcdook153That makes a lot of sense. When left to "the market provides" without any governance, it's hardly surprising that it isn't seamless in the UK. It needs to be a properly-managed infrastructure.

LOL that's because you like to seek out lies. Even the 2,800 mile Cannon Ball Run can be done in 44hrs 25min in the not great Taycan 4S.

Look up Andrew till and his Kent to Italy in a Kia trip.

@@Neojhun Bjorn Nyland's Trips

@@Neojhun no he seeks the facts and the truth. You seek out the perfect and rare situation like most EV fanboys.

It's because they're rather dull. I happily drive my EV from Newark to Gatwick for work. First charge is at home for 5p/kwh and second is down route for 35 to 40p/kwh.

This will always be the electric car's weak point Unfortunately motorway driving I use mine for inner city driving and it's amazing it's cheap to run but I use it to go to university which is much further out of town and is going to cost me a bit more. But I've not had a faulty charger yet. BUT I have not used any of these motorway ones so I can't comment on them. There is a Map for charging point zap map which shows the out-of-use ones but it's a bit of a mess to plan a journey to be honest and the range anxiety is very real.

There are a lot of people that feel like you do. I am not one of them because we have a huge charging infrastructure here in western Canada but that does not change the fact that we need way more energy density out of our batteries before the EV becomes main stream. 10 - 15 minute charging to 500 miles would help as well. Those of us that have been EV fans all our lives have always wanted that too.

Maybe, but not all of us can afford a Tesla. Not yet anyway.

@@davidholmes2283 the car he did it in is in the same price as a model 3, so the comparison is quite similar

@@gards1988 👍

@@davidholmes2283 Plenty of used ones around now, at much less cost than when new.....

@@Brian-om2hh Just check the battery is still under warranty

Except that the majority of EV owners, the majority of the time, will charge at night whilst they’re sleeping. On cheap tariff, 5p/kW, 85% of my first 12 months was AC charging, giving me an average cost of 1.8p per mile. That includes approx. 8% of my charging using public DC fast chargers, 50kWh, 35p/kW, and 7% public AC chargers free at Tesco. My 1 litre ecoboost Fiesta cost an average of 15.5p/mile before recent fuel price increases. All this media hype about poor public charging is bull because, as in this video, they are usually petrol heads who have no clue about handling an EV charge. And they keep banging on about range when the UK average car journey has been less than ten miles every year for the last 20 years. Most families would cope easily with an EV that has only 125 mile range. And the idea that EVs are expensive is more bull when you consider that UK roads are stuffed with premium SUVs, most of which are at least as expensive, sometimes more than popular EVs like Tesla Model 3, Kia E Niro, Nissan Leaf, Renault Zoe. In five years EV adoption will have increased ten fold in the UK and people will be buying more of them. than ICE cars. Hybrids will evaporate as people learn that they are a huge con and the worst compromise.

@@ellistreloar2047 Still doesn't solve the fact that a high percentage of homeowners don't have a drive. so home charging is difficult for them

@@ellistreloar2047 60% of the country are unable 2 charge at home, what do you want them 2 do?? 🙈

@@pauldavies7251 I’m not sure that your estimate of 60% of properties unable to home charge is correct. That’s significantly more than published industry estimates. And there are many areas where car ownership is lower. But, assuming that every car owner has somewhere to park their car, there are lots of ways to provide on street charging eg, ubitricity chargers in lamp posts, street charging stands. Every property and residential street has electricity supply and where there is a cable, there’s a potential place for a charger. And bearing in mind that the average UK car journey distance is less than ten miles, the majority of cars will not need charging every night. With increasing sustainable power generation the cost of overnight charging will remain significantly lower than the equivalent petrol/diesel cost. Globally these changes are necessary if we are serious about saving the planet. VTG connections will enable increased reliance on wind and solar power as the connected cars can be used for energy storage. Finally, the average use of a car in the UK is less than 10% of the time, some estimates are lower than 5%. Perhaps we will eventually persuade people to share use or ownership of a car. There are many successful examples of shared use of EVs eg, Copenhagen BMW i3s and Zoe’s. Why don’t we look for solutions instead of wringing our hands and complaining about the problems?

Yeah, wrong car, wrong charging network. I just saw on the fully charged channel Bob was interviewing two guys that did John O'Groats to Lands End in an original Tesla roadster (this was 10 years ago!)

like on the Marques Brownlee EV round-trip. Tesla chargers where reliable and not that much slower than fuel. the other EV had a unreliable charging network

Yes but we really do not want to encourage a monopoly either.

@@WhiskyMystery other companies need to up their game then. Or are they just trying to give EVs a bad name? ;-)

If it wasn't for Tesla no one would be driving EVs. Big oil, traditional auto and energy companies have been trying to stop them for years because they all know they are in trouble. Most people still believe all the misinformation about EVs, I was one of them when I was driving my Ferrari around sneering at the Nissan Leafs. I took the time to do a lot of research and I'm converted. Everyone else apart from the Chinese are trying to put a battery in a car, Tesla are making an advanced thinking computer on wheels, we should encourage Tesla to lead the way, everyone else can either catch up or go bust. People are only just starting to ask themselves if their next car should be ICE or EV. They should be asking themselves if they want to have to drive their next car or if they want their next car to be able to drive them?

True

Or any other BEVs which can easily get more than 250 miles ~ 400km. Actually it would of been boring. Just a montage Driving -> Charging -> Driving -> Destination.

so you shit yourself if you have to drive more than 50 miles...

Wait till your "Smart" meter changes its cost per KWH on the overnight charge.

@@soozikins if we reach that point where smart meters are smart then we will have demand/supply based pricing, which is what industry uses.. hourly tariffs means electricity will be very cheap in very low demand, very high in high demand..about 7-9pm.. smart hourly tariffs will mean investment in smart car charging that only buys electricity in low demand hours.

@@julesdingle Exactly Jules, when 10 million electric cars are plugged in at night, there is your demand.

@@julesdingle i think that's the whole concept of the tesla power walls, it takes power when its cheap and you use it when its expensive

And well you might. At least until more emissions charging schemes begin to roll out. The scheme recently introduced in Birmingham charges £8 per day - payable 7 days a week - to enter the city centre if your vehicle doesn't meet Euro 6 standards. Manchester roll their scheme out in May next year. York, Leeds, Sheffield, Bristol, Bath, Coventry and others are also looking at similar schemes in the quest for cleaner air in town and city centres. Since the young girl in London had air pollution as a cause of death on her death certificate, some local authorities are concerned they may face legal claims if more deaths occur.

@@Brian-om2hh anyone who can afford an electric car can afford a new diesel car that does not have to pay the emissions charges. That Hyundai costs as much as a BMW 320 diesel, I know which I would buy.

Which is exactly what I do..... works for me. 👍

Utter nonsense. I've covered 500+ mile trips in my EV with just ONE charge during the trip. You sadly fall into the "don't confuse me with the facts, because I've made my mind up" category.......

@@Brian-om2hh well Brian you are one of the lucky ones, just look at the facts..most cars or bikes will not do what they say on a charge, and then too pay 40+ quid too fast charge and not work and still have too charge again to go further ...come back in 20 years they just might of sorted all there problems out..yes in the future it will work but not yet...

There certainly is, a several hundred kilowatt mains supply cost as well as the actual charger unit cost a mountain though and have short lifespans etc which means they could almost justify charging anything they want until such time as they finish solving some of the problems, though I honestly do not think anyone is really adding anything significant beyond break even at this point. Not even Tesla who are the Apple take all your money of cars now, they say they will not allow others to use their charging network because of billing issues, but I reckon it's actually because without wearing cost all across the board, their network would not stay stable and they would risk losses trying to maintain equipment.

@@psychosis7325 How do AC to DC chargers wear out?

@@julesdingle Thermal cycling and environmental exposure mechanically and chemically degrading the components are probably the biggest issues, but there is a lot of other things too. Its not like these things are not easily overcome, but doing it to a price point in an environmentally considerate way whilst not upsetting supply chains for critical resources that makes it all a yuge challenge... That and we have a bit of an addiction to needless features that introduce extra failure points 🤤 nothing quite like watching that old glass bulb on top the pump fill up with 5 gallons or monitoring your solar output and charge rates over wifi but you should really have no need as once we charge through repeating the mistakes of the past all over it should just work as we trust what we have now to.

It's a great car 😀

You can carry jerry cans in cars here. A lot of us carry several jerry cans in fact. Because Australia is so big we often rely on jerry cans or modified fuel tanks so we can travel into the nearest town let alone across the country like guy did.

@@Ash-nk5ix How many KW hours to a jerrycan?

I drove a 1994 LDV van from southern Bulgaria to England in 36 hours- 1850 miles. Try that in an electric car.

WTF you are delusional. Melbourne to Cairnes is all well established highways. it's also just accross the eastern seabord. Where there already is a Level 3 DC Fast Charging Network. That is the exact route that is very easy to do in Tesla. 2,818 Kilometer is very easy, 2,800 MILE Cannon Ball Run in Taycan 4S currently sits at 45hrs. That has a much worse charging network than a Tesla on Melbourne to Cairnes. No one is going to do that trip in 2 Days, it's just not comfortable. That is more like a leisurely 4 day trip which will be very fun and comfortable. Welcome to REALITY, you are outdated.

@@offgrid7837 I guess you pissed in bottle for that journey ..and seriously dangerous.

@@julesdingle I did a 1600 mile journey (Cadiz to Liverpool) in around the same time, using the Eurotunnel, and had time to sleep for a few hours in France, along with sufficient stops to refuel, eat & piss (not necessarily at the same time). I was quite a bit younger back then, though, wouldn't like to try it now.

@@theelectricmonk3909 I test drove a ID3 and a 220 mile range for the mid sized battery.. charge time with 100kW charger was 20 min for a 20% to 80%, a bit longer for 100%.. so for that journey roughy a stop every 200 miles for pee and food break...which is plenty long enough for me. I haven't driven more than 400 miles a day and that is with 1-2 hours of breaks.

I do think there would be a law that if they do not match the promised output, you should get your money back and not pay a thing. Guy was charged £30 because it was supposed to be fast. All it did was let him down. End up paying a lot more just to be late!

@@andrewnorris5415 that's not really feasible. Charging has to slow down as the car overheats.

Be careful what you wish for

You also have to REUSE like 2/3 of the cells whole. Currently BEVs need to be decommissioned when 1/3 of the Cells have died. You get sketchy power output problems around then which it not road worthy. But that takes a very long time and insane lifetime mileage.

We can recycle 100 percent of a combustion engine. Ev vehicles will never be able to live up to combustion. Unless you have a fuel generator creating electricity to power the motors. Its using less fuel, a super economical and low polluting generator, that's the future. Or maybe hydrogen combustion engine's

@@tesstickle7267 LOL insane talk. 100% of the Fuel offer the service life of the vehicle weighs multiple times of the vehicle, Can Not be recycled. At least 70-80% of a BEV can be recycled to day. Energy Source for BEVs will constantly change and evolve. You have not much choice with modern Petrol Engines. Nothing you say has any technical accuracy. Just ideology servicing.

@@Neojhun bullshit. Try recycling those batteries! We can't even recycle e waste properly. Ohh and you even looked at the lithium mines in Africa? The sheer pollution to mine what you need in those batteries completely offsets its carbon neutral footprint. Plus the working and living conditions of those miners is disgusting,you are fueling that. Sorry there bud but my combustion engine had to be created once,it's now 40 years old and still going, when it gets worn out I can have it rebored, which puts another 40 years on it...my Engine can accept 3 rebores and then cylinder liners fitted to start over again. And one day remove the engine and melt it to recast for other things. Ev can not compete. Clean running yes,but dirty in every other aspect. Plus replacement batteries alot more often than a replacement engine.

I did Leeds > Brugge > Brugge > Peterborough on one tank of Diesel, 5 minutes top up then on my way. I was tired but i like to get the journey done haha

Guy deliberately picked a charger he knew he couldn't reach. He deliberately chose a very expensive brand of charger (designed to put ppl off so they are free for main users to use - "fleet" cars from certain brands). He did this for the clicks.

@@Lewis_Standing You are quite correct. Anybody with any clue about EV's, knows these issues were planned into the trip. choose an EV with low range, use the most expensive chargers, and drain the battery as quickly as possible. A Tesla makes this trip an non issue. But that would be putting EV's in a good light.

Imagine turning up at a petrol station, only to find there is no fuel....... just like now in fact.

@@Brian-om2hh The petrol station is open as normal with no ques where I'm at in north east england

Ah yes Richard, but things like that happen if you don't bother to do your research first, and you have a "downer" on EV's in the first place.....

And look far, far cooler!

@@iamthefatstig Ewww that is one ugly car. New BEVs are soo much nicer with more packaging flexibility to have Design Flare. Lower end: Peugeot e208 & Cupra Born, Mid range: Jag iPace & BYD Han, Luxury: e-Tron GT & Taycan Cross Turismo, Hypercars: Lotus Evijia & Pinninfarina Batista. All beautiful cooler cars.

Wait till you find out it costs £2 to fill up an EV

And not good for the environment either

And NOT GREEN

Wrong, the sums up a poorly built DC Fast Charging network. There is another company which does not have these problems.

@@motorhead4870 Unacceptable baseless, zero reasoning, short succinct slander.

THe card would most likely have been in the glovebox, but poor Mr Martin diddn't have had a clue what it was for. Which is why he ended up paying 70p per kw, when he only needed to have paid 29p per kw......

What do you mean? We all drive to John o' Groats on the regular round here.

LOL MDI AIRPod. Sorry they have very little range and very weak piston engine. "Can convert today's gas engines to Air Pressure" is simply not viable as a 1.5 tonne modern car would have like 40 miles range.

Only if you've got nowhere to charge at home. I know many people with EVs, and I think only about 2 of them have ever used a public charger for any reason except trying it out. You may be right though if they start to add tax to household electricity, knowing that's where all their fuel tax revenue went.

In Sweden they have already starting proposing tax on home charging use. It will probably be in place in some form before I have the option to buy an ev that fits my needs. I will probably buy a petrol car in around 2023-2025 and if it is new, own that until around 2040...(used to around 2035) The longer ev changing is an issue, another non ev will be built and run over the next two decades

Why not get an ev and enjoy the tax break and not mis out

@@spaldi01 Because I have about £800 in the bank.

Might as well take advantage of the cost savings while they last

Precisely the way I think it should work too. Battery belongs to the energy company/garage/government or whoever. Car pulls into the battery station, battery swapped for a full one, pay for and leave!

There's an electric supercar that does that. One of those where you buy it, they bring it to a track and you get to drive it, but you never get to take it home. Anyway, the batteries were thousands of pounds, took a crew of several techs/mechanics to do the swap, and it was still a long process. You'd have a problem of needing at least a couple of somewhat highly trained techs sitting around at every charging station in the world...day and night, customers or not, and each station would have to have some amount of a stock pile of huge, potentially explosive battery packs on hand, fully charged at all times. Personally, for me, it, like every other all-electric vehicle idea, also has the fatal flaw of being a completely non viable concept for an off road situation. Can't be miles into the back country and swap out half the vehicle's weight in batteries.

So how would that work if your battery has years of warranty left on it? You could end up with a worse battery than your own.....

@@Brian-om2hh I had the same thought, plus wondered about potential scams where near dead packs were dumped for new(er) ones., or stolen new ones are installed by untrained shade tree 'mechanics' creating rolling time bombs. They are in the process of having to develop new technology to fight electric car fires because they are so energetic, and I don't think spreading huge stores of massive battery packs around the world is the answer. Plus, all electric *always* fails the off-road test, regardless of the wonderful torque you can get from the motors.

Probably just a bad edit, footage from return journey at the start.

Paul Lord is right, I'm wrong - good luck EVers

True a proper 4x4 country vehicle will not be BEV anytime soon. But VAST MAJORITY of cars in Australia only stay near populated regions. When BEVs have 400km range that can surfice for vast majority of Aussie drivers. Even if you have to make an interstate trip. The only problem is the DC Fast Charging network. Ironically there is a company in Brisbane called Tritium which is one of the world leaders in DC Fast Charging.

@@Neojhun I suspect that you don't comprehend how many people live scattered around in the 'non-City' areas. And I don't mean the regional areas of the East Coast, I specifically mean all that space between the main highways, and there's not many highways, there's only 2 going into WA, and one going from SA to NT. So it's a bit naive to say "the only problem is the... such & such". This may be confronting, but you don't understand the issue.

@@noelwhittle7922 LOL False assumption. My parents still live in country, granted only about 2 hours from the edge of Melbourne. Thanks for the condescending tone. You bunch never use any technical reasoning instead just self centered anecdotal complaining. You not only do not understand the issue, you also have no technical knowledge.

@@Neojhun haha... I'm semi retired and guess what my career has been? hint - its the absolute worst case for the assumption you just made. technical knowledge, well, where do I start. And, I probably saw more of remote Australia in 1 year of my work than many Australians see in their lifetime. I could recommend people get qualified with Electrical licences and learned up on power electronics because there's going to be a whole lot of work needing doing when these chargers get rolled out into the regions and start to melt when the ambient outside the cabinets goes above 40 deg C. And I betcha the service people will be driving diesels for a long time.

@@noelwhittle7922 I have previously worked in Surveying and GIS data gathering. My job was literally to drive all over Aus to collect geographical data. I now spend more time building such systems and equipment.

the average milage per day in the US is not massively higher than Europe = 29.2 miles. a 250 mile range EV only needs home charging once a week

@@julesdingle average is crap metric, because it doesn't reflect either end of the high and low. Example, average could be 30 miles per day, but 30% could be 100+ miles per day. Most of the people I know commute at leat 50 miles each way, or 100 miles per day for work. I visit clients across 4 states, some weeks I drive 2000+ miles. My point is, many EV supporters use the averages to say we're 100% ready to dump ICE's in passenger cars, and I disagree. Until supercharging can get you 100 miles in 15 minutes for the same cost or less that a diesel or petrol car can, it's going to be hard to get the masses to make the move. Also, not everyone in the US has access to cheap electricity, I pay way above the national average and we have states where residential is over 30 cents per KWH, so in some cases a high MPG diesel vehicle can be cheaper than home charging looking at cost per mile.

Takes me about half an hour to change the oil/ filter on my car once a year. You'd spend longer than that waiting for an electric car to charge each week. Hardly complicated to do either considering most people will never do more than an oil change and as for being "dirty", people need to grow up a bit if they are afraid of getting a bit of oil on them.

I'd posit you spend longer waiting for your EV car to charge per year than I do performing maintenance on my ICE

@@SpartanMJO12 if you charge it overnight at home, the only spent is plugging / unplugging. Which adds up to less than gas stops. Granted, that only works if you can charge at home and don't do long journeys, but that description matches some people's usage. I know a lot of folks who don't drive over 2 hours from home but maybe once every few years. Everything else is well under 200miles a day of local driving. Not for everyone, not for all of my cars, but for some. Honestly for a 2 car house 1ev and 1 ice is a perfect combo.

Yeah because your not been taxed a huge amount like petrol and diesel YET. Unfortunately to this is the governments plan.

Completely untrue, we do 30k miles a year in our EV. So much easier and nicer than our diesel before

2,800 Mile Cannon Ball Run in a Taycan 4S did it in 44 Hours. About as fast you can practically do it. "Chug Along" is simply wrong.

Utter garbage. Not long ago I did a 520 mile round trip in my Kia. I charged just once during the journey.

Mostly true. There is one brand with its own charger network that is an exception to that.

So 99% of UK car owners, then. (edit: Make that 60%, not everyone can charge at home)

@@LiamE69 Tesla have a good solution but if you cannot get your car to your house or land that you own you have to use external chargers which makes the cost very similar to fossle fuels. Coupled with EVs lack of range and extra time needed for charging it becomes very hard to justify an EV. If you can charge at home then they make a lot of sense. I drive a self charging hybid because I cannot charge at home

@@scatton61 It isn't self charging. You put fuel in it.

Which equates to around 80% of the population.....

They are type two ccs plugs are on every car now. Charge points only have type one or chademo for very early cars. Nothing in the last five years uses those.

Nah mate, this was a good test, I mean come on, faulty chargers is not his fault, you assume the UK is getting there but that's just it, we're getting there.

Phillip you're the person that's disappointed at everything.

Rubbish, we tryed a road trip west Sussex to Silverstone to the fully charged road show. Exactly the same problems, chargers that don't work, problems with apps, almost running out of power to find an alternative. Rip off KW hours. Ques , waiting around, 6 hours to do a 2 HR journey is not fun at all but I do love driving the car.

Toyota has already seen this coming and is investing huge into hydrogen to fill that area of the market and service areas like Australia where we are still very young for a first world country with huge distances to traverse which would require a fast charging network so robust it just won't be affordable for most people no matter how you try and do it.

Does 29p per kw sound any better? Because that's all he needed to pay. As a Hyundai driver, he'd be entitled to use the Ionity charge network at 29p per kw. But sadly, Mr Martin isn't as clued up about such things. He really ought to have spent a little more time planning his trip......

@@Brian-om2hh yeah but this discount will expire some day in the future. Its the same with Tesla drivers, that have to pay now for charging at their superchargers. Why should someone invest time to plan such a short trip, when a Diesel can do the same route with just one tank of fuel? This trip planning is extremely annoying and almost comes close to the downsides of going with public transportation. (Fossil driven)Cars are one of the last goods that can provide the wonderful feeling of freedom. You just hop in and go. And if fuel runs low, you'll easily find a gas station before you run dry. An EV will never come close to such autonomy. There is no inner relationship to build up on these synthetic driving human transporters. And thats propably the main reason, Guy does not like EVs. (yeah I know my english is bad, but i hope you got what i wanted to say.)

@@Brian-om2hh Sounds ok in Euro bucks, cost of living and transport needs etc today, but if I go over to Aussie dollars and such it is still a ways shy of where we need and that is without looking at economies undergoing more growth or who need to. Also you need to think of changes in grids and energy prices at time of consumption and so on and how that is going to change.... I'm a big fan of EVs, PV and alike much like guy, but they are a long shot of being a fix for our problems and I think the way he highlights that is great. Just look how many apps and stuff there is for cheap prices on compressed fern juice from a millions of years ago and how useless it is to know that beyond your efficient range there is better prices..... Will be great if you live near a wind farm in future and can suck up the cheap or even free power as it comes out not needed, but living in inner city rentals and having to supercharge before and after work, I would dread being in the lower middle class if our governments do not diversify investment and technologies appropriately and put too much into BEV.

What car were you driving and what is your definition of usual time?

@@ruairimoore4766 Peugeot e208, costs £20k, took 1h longer than if I were driving a diesel

You're lying. Or you drove like my grandma.

@@GTfour01 😂not lying, steady 70 up the motorway, apart from about 20 mins i went 60 as was getting too close to my range buffer

@@domtdoodar99 Sure. You can say anything.

it's not like he was rebuilding the car he was plugging an electric charge lead into the car which is what you are supposed to do, what else is there for him to do make wind turbine to charge his car geeez

Yep, that sums it up pretty well I'd have thought.

How many people are going to do this kind of trip in the real world? Something like a fifth of car trips are under a mile and 38% under two miles and electric works really well for those trips - School run etc, with the advantage of not risking filling the local air with pollutants from still cold engines.

you also have to take into account the amount of charge that is used while the car is parked and not charging, for example a Tesla Model S will use around 1-3% a day, so if you are away for a while it could cause a huge problem when returning, so until there is more chargers around, dont think id be buying, but the one thing i do love about UK laws it that every electric car has to have the same charging port unlike the Teslas in the US where they have their own, meaning you could use all the Tesla quick chargers in theory.

@@samgriffiths9868 "Tesla Model S will use around 1-3% a day" for like the first week. Then it goes into sleep mode. Which can keep a 60% charge for almost A YEAR! This is well known because JUNKYARD Written Off Cars still have charged batteries.

@@samgriffiths9868 "unlike the Teslas in the US where they have their own" That's NOT Relevant to UK. New Tesla just use standard Type 2 CCS in europe. It already is Standardised. Everything you have said soo far is technically erroneous.

The only reason it cost as much as it did, was because of the ignorance of the bloke using the car. If you consider that a new Hyundai owner is entitled to access the Ionity charge network for 29p per kw (instead of the 69p Guy Martin stupidly paid) might that make a difference? The fact he wasn't aware of this wasn't the car's fault......

Dude NZ is freaking tiny. Long Range BEVs close to 300 miles will make that very easy to work with.

@@Neojhun NZ is tiny, but UK is smaller, look it up

@@Neojhun you need to realise, uk has many charging stations, most part of South Island you can’t even find fuel, let alone electricity charging stations

@@lightweightbaby7959 UK has the ability to use Chunnel or Ferries to go mainland Europe. Where you might need a much more mature network and longer range BEvs. Moving vehicles between NZ & Aust is a nightmare. I have done that about 7 times now, but mostly specialized commercial and industrial vehicles. Hello from across the pond.

Why improve anything? The grid must be and is being modernised anyway. Forget EVs, modern household and industrial power requirements are different to historic ones. For a start, there's much more power flowing back into the grid from microgeneration, so switch gear needs updating to deal with that.

FAIL! DC Fast Chargers use battery buffer system. While not being the primary charging method for BEVs. BEVs vast majority of time will charge on Level 2 during OFF PEAK. That way it does not add load during stressed out peak hours. There is basic concept called TIME which you fail to understand.

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I will say that the Teslas have a good range but you also have to take into account that all the EV chargers in the UK are all the same meaning you should technically be able to use a Tesla supercharger on any EV car, i dont own an EV so cant say if this is definite.

@@samgriffiths9868 Pretty sure you can't and also the charger "plug" is different between manufacturers!!

If you live in a limited number of cities mostly in the south , you be right . But then most people do not live there, as much as that may shock those that consider anything outside the M25 as a 'waste land' And of course its makes no difference to how range is lost over time as the batteries age and how range is lost once you have to use lights , heat cooling etc And of course the very large bill that comes from buying a Tesla with this type of range in the first place.

That's if tesla haven't disabled your supercharge function let's be real.

Thats Nuts!

You're very lucky to be in the EU. Energy is expensive in the UK because of Brexit, and if anyone says otherwise then they are idiots.

@@Arthur_Pint Oh Buddy - you dont know how lucky you should be about the Brexit...

@@ErikvsLenny I guess you know what you are.